Woongjin Stars the by far the strongest team in the world right now, and they might make the finals of the GSL, the WCS Season 1, and Proleague. Ridiculously stacked team
On June 10 2013 06:23 Bagration wrote: Woongjin Stars the by far the strongest team in the world right now, and they might make the finals of the GSL, the WCS Season 1, and Proleague. Ridiculously stacked team
They only need to win 2 games out of 6 in order to advance to the finals. Considering they have dropped at most 3 games during a round, they are in the finals. And they'll win the finals because their ace players are top players and their bench is vastly superior to what the rest of KeSPA can field. Not even Innovation could deny them this crown.
On June 10 2013 06:23 Bagration wrote: Woongjin Stars the by far the strongest team in the world right now, and they might make the finals of the GSL, the WCS Season 1, and Proleague. Ridiculously stacked team
They only need to win 2 games out of 6 in order to advance to the finals. Considering they have dropped at most 3 games during a round, they are in the finals. And they'll win the finals because their ace players are top players and their bench is vastly superior to what the rest of KeSPA can field. Not even Innovation could deny them this crown.
I don't think STX has enough depth to beat Woongjin. Even Innovation wins twice (once in the lineup, once as ace), they still need to come up with 2 wins, and that's hard to find against the Woongjin roster. But that's not a problem unique to STX either. SKT, KT both also have trouble coming up with the 4 win needed to win.
And if the finals are Bo9, that's even better for Woongjin in my opinion.
On June 10 2013 15:16 stuchiu wrote: And another convert joins the cult of the Hellbat.
It might become the new PvP in PL. I blame Mvp for it.
Mvp was merely the moses, the only biblical figure that is respected across all 3 continents for his contributions in spreading the word. But for Korea, the man to look to is TY.
2:00 Hatch first versus CC first, and no scout for either player. Soulkey has his overlord going to the 7 o'clock position Gas first for Soulkey, Gas first for Cure Identical builds so far!
4:00 2 lings, 2 queens and ling speed for Soulkey Factory and a bunker for Cure, then a reactor on his rax Second gas for Cure
5:00 Lings scout the expansion, as well as the reactored factory
5:30 Armory from Cure Drones for Soulkey
6:00 Third hatach to the South for Soulkey, as well as a roach warren Double gas for Soulkey
6:50 Hellbats and a medivac on the way Soulkey lets 4 hellions into the natural!! Cure kills 5 workers.
7:45 Double drop for Cure. 3 Hellbats 1 hellion Soulkey sees it and has 6 roaches
8:20 Hellbats are dropped into the natural and he has now lost 14!
8:40 Roach ling counter attack but hellbats ward them off
9:00 Hellbats in the third denies mining
9:45 Double drop in the natural and main!! Painful to watch!!!
10:30 Cure has killed 42 workers!! 90 vs 66 supply, Cure is way ahead. Double ebay for Cure and a third orbital is building
11:30 Soulkey is building roaches as he sees hellbat marauder moving out. More hellbat drops pick of a few workers
12:00 Engagement at the third, hellbat marauder versus Roaches
12:30 Soulkey holds it off but so much has died for Soulkey
12:40 Soulkey down to 28 workers, and Cure drops in the main and natural. More hellbaaaats
13:00 Drone BBQ, 62 are fried Still units at the third. The third goes down eventually Soulkey down 60 supply
14:00 Cure now saturating his third, and has so much supply
14:30 Marauders in SK's main does nothing Cure now 80 supply up. Cure cancels Soulkey's third
Lots of hellbat whine but I think Soulkey did a bad job of defending that. You need spore, spine, and roaches, not just roaches. However Cure did a nice adjustment of going for double drops instead of single drops to make sure he can unload some hellbats even if there had been spores.
On June 10 2013 15:22 Zerg.Zilla wrote: Yay thx to hellbats Cure got his 5 minutes of fame!He must feel like a boss!
Cure was always good at SC2.
On June 10 2013 15:23 Malphite wrote: SO making hellbats is a free win?? lol... man wtf is going on... why did it just all of a sudden starting to popularize??
Honestly always thought hellbats were OP... now every terran opening up hellbat drops
hellbats aren't that OP, Soulkey just completely botched his defense.
On June 10 2013 15:29 lichter wrote: Sipping on a coconut and watching PL at work, this is the life
What the hell do you do for a job? I need in.
Family business; I own a factory
If TY wins they'll have a good shot at winning today
Nice.
As for team 8 winning, WS shouldn't have sent their two best against the Terrans. Should have sent out the jobbers to take them on and let SK and sOs take care of the Z and P.
2:00 13 Gateway scout for sOs, CC first for TY Gas for sOs Scouting probes harasses the building SCV
3:00 Double rax for TY, no gas sOs builds his Nexus before core after not mining any gas
4:00 Still no gas for TY, 2 marines on the way
5:00 Hidden 3rd cc for TY, at the 5 o clock base
5:30 Double gas for TY Stargate for sOs and the mamacore is done
6:00 Bunker for TY and more marines Forge for sOs
6:30 Reaper for TY and the orbital at the hidden base is building Oracle for sOs
7:00 Twilight for sOs Factory is done for TY My stream is at 280p wtf
7:45 Missile turrets for TY but the oracle arrives before it is done +1 armor half way done for sOs and he is researching charge
8:00 +1 attack and Stim for TY Templar archives for sOs Hidden base still a secret
9:00 Storm for sOs and more gates More raxes for TY No action so far
10:00 TY moving out with his units, but his army is revealed
10:30 Armory on the way for TY as well as vikings
11:00 sOs takes a third base
11:30 Hidden expansion finally spotted sOs goes straight for it TY decides not to defend it.
12:00 No more third for TY but the CC is flying back Ghost accademy is done for TY
12:30 Both players posturing in the middle of the map TY retakes the third but sOs sees it
13:00 sOs trying to attack, storms TY's army but no engagement
13:45 Robo bay for sOs TY nearing sOs' third and an engagement occurs SO MANY ZEALOTS TY looks like he's losing and runs away
14:00 Zealot runby at TY's third and natural kills 20+ SCVs
15:00 Lots of zealots for sOs and he is going to the third again No storms for sOs??
15:45 TY snipes a templar with a drop
16:30 TY finally dropping, triple drop in the main! Main nexus goes down!!
17:00 Robo bay gets sniped as well!
17:30 The drops are still doing damage, but not much. sOs is very zealot heavy
18:00 More drops, but a medivac gets sniped sOs moving out with zealot templar colossus
19:00 TY with more drops, another one in the third and natural sOs attacks TY's third, zealots and storms! TY lifts the third, but sOs is losing so much at his third and main
20:00 TY decides to counter attack instead! Snipes the third! sOs trying to chase him around
21:00 TY being really sneaky with the counter attacks, and sOs is unsure what he wants to do
21:30 sOs posturing to attack, mamacore is sniped TY has better mining, and sOs still has no third
22:00 sOs is finding a hard time finding an angle to attack
22:30 More drops for TY! sOs is regaining supply but has no third! TY is maxed and sOs is only around 160
23:30 Engagement in the middle, but after storms and EMPs both players back off
24:00 Zealot runbys do little for sOs
24:30 Another double drop in the main!! Snipes the templar archives and forge sOs has very little mining left, and TY is starting to pull away in supply
25:30 More posturing near the middle, but still no big engagement sOs rebuilding his templar archives
26:00 sOs barely on 2 bases, more like 1.5
26:30 CLOSSUS OUT OF POSITION!! 3 go down!! sOs moves into TY's third, but now he looks trapped?
27:00 TY on 4 bases compared to 2 for sOs
27:30 sOs tries to keep denying the north third but too many units for TY
This is fine. Light and Zero need to win, one of the other two and then Soulkey to win the Ace match and my FPL will be happy. This is a tactical play by sOs to help me out.
On June 10 2013 15:58 Wojciech Zywny wrote: isn't it basically impossible for team 8 to make it to the playoffs even if they win all their games???? what's the point of them even trying then
So they can say, at least we weren't as bad as EGTL even though they bought out our ace.
On June 10 2013 15:58 Wojciech Zywny wrote: isn't it basically impossible for team 8 to make it to the playoffs even if they win all their games???? what's the point of them even trying then
2:00 13 Gateway scout for sOs, CC first for TY Gas for sOs Scouting probes harasses the building SCV
3:00 Double rax for TY, no gas sOs builds his Nexus before core after not mining any gas
4:00 Still no gas for TY, 2 marines on the way
5:00 Hidden 3rd cc for TY, at the 5 o clock base
5:30 Double gas for TY Stargate for sOs and the mamacore is done
6:00 Bunker for TY and more marines Forge for sOs
6:30 Reaper for TY and the orbital at the hidden base is building Oracle for sOs
7:00 Twilight for sOs Factory is done for TY My stream is at 280p wtf
7:45 Missile turrets for TY but the oracle arrives before it is done +1 armor half way done for sOs and he is researching charge
8:00 +1 attack and Stim for TY Templar archives for sOs Hidden base still a secret
9:00 Storm for sOs and more gates More raxes for TY No action so far
10:00 TY moving out with his units, but his army is revealed
10:30 Armory on the way for TY as well as vikings
11:00 sOs takes a third base
11:30 Hidden expansion finally spotted sOs goes straight for it TY decides not to defend it.
12:00 No more third for TY but the CC is flying back Ghost accademy is done for TY
12:30 Both players posturing in the middle of the map TY retakes the third but sOs sees it
13:00 sOs trying to attack, storms TY's army but no engagement
13:45 Robo bay for sOs TY nearing sOs' third and an engagement occurs SO MANY ZEALOTS TY looks like he's losing and runs away
14:00 Zealot runby at TY's third and natural kills 20+ SCVs
15:00 Lots of zealots for sOs and he is going to the third again No storms for sOs??
15:45 TY snipes a templar with a drop
16:30 TY finally dropping, triple drop in the main! Main nexus goes down!!
17:00 Robo bay gets sniped as well!
17:30 The drops are still doing damage, but not much. sOs is very zealot heavy
18:00 More drops, but a medivac gets sniped sOs moving out with zealot templar colossus
19:00 TY with more drops, another one in the third and natural sOs attacks TY's third, zealots and storms! TY lifts the third, but sOs is losing so much at his third and main
20:00 TY decides to counter attack instead! Snipes the third! sOs trying to chase him around
21:00 TY being really sneaky with the counter attacks, and sOs is unsure what he wants to do
21:30 sOs posturing to attack, mamacore is sniped TY has better mining, and sOs still has no third
22:00 sOs is finding a hard time finding an angle to attack
22:30 More drops for TY! sOs is regaining supply but has no third! TY is maxed and sOs is only around 160
23:30 Engagement in the middle, but after storms and EMPs both players back off
24:00 Zealot runbys do little for sOs
24:30 Another double drop in the main!! Snipes the templar archives and forge sOs has very little mining left, and TY is starting to pull away in supply
25:30 More posturing near the middle, but still no big engagement sOs rebuilding his templar archives
26:00 sOs barely on 2 bases, more like 1.5
26:30 CLOSSUS OUT OF POSITION!! 3 go down!! sOs moves into TY's third, but now he looks trapped?
27:00 TY on 4 bases compared to 2 for sOs
27:30 sOs tries to keep denying the north third but too many units for TY
29:00 Base trade!! But sOs is broke and he is trapped Doing some work lol dammit
29:30 sOs gets sandwhiched and his army dies. TY still has mining and a big army sOs ggs
On June 10 2013 15:58 Wojciech Zywny wrote: isn't it basically impossible for team 8 to make it to the playoffs even if they win all their games???? what's the point of them even trying then
What on earth would be the point of giving up, then? They still have to play
On June 10 2013 15:58 Wojciech Zywny wrote: isn't it basically impossible for team 8 to make it to the playoffs even if they win all their games???? what's the point of them even trying then
So they can say, at least we weren't as bad as EGTL even though they bought out our ace.
no but seriously is there any incentive to even try any more? Like seeding for next proleague or something?
On June 10 2013 15:58 Wojciech Zywny wrote: isn't it basically impossible for team 8 to make it to the playoffs even if they win all their games???? what's the point of them even trying then
Besides pride?
hey man, if SKT loses every single game and T8 wins every single game they are in.
On June 10 2013 15:58 Wojciech Zywny wrote: isn't it basically impossible for team 8 to make it to the playoffs even if they win all their games???? what's the point of them even trying then
So they can say, at least we weren't as bad as EGTL even though they bought out our ace.
no but seriously is there any incentive to even try any more? Like seeding for next proleague or something?
-Pride -Sponsor exposure (except for Team 8 lol) -Exposure for the players -Practising toward a goal is better than just practising
On June 10 2013 15:58 Wojciech Zywny wrote: isn't it basically impossible for team 8 to make it to the playoffs even if they win all their games???? what's the point of them even trying then
So they can say, at least we weren't as bad as EGTL even though they bought out our ace.
no but seriously is there any incentive to even try any more? Like seeding for next proleague or something?
Besides a matter of pride I think there salary negotiations depend on how well they performed. Taking more losses would probably mean a decrease in salary
On June 10 2013 15:58 Wojciech Zywny wrote: isn't it basically impossible for team 8 to make it to the playoffs even if they win all their games???? what's the point of them even trying then
say you are trying to find a sponsor, giving up is not an option
Ahh, before the match I was worried that WJS will win too quickly and savage won't get to play for my FPL, but now it looks like he might not because T8 are killing it.
On June 10 2013 16:05 lichter wrote: Man how does shellbot do LRs and still keep up with the thread
aside from being a robot ofc
I did that as well some time ago, even with 2 screens it was so difficult that I stopped doing it after a few attempts. It's easier with the tool from SinCitta though, that works pretty well
On June 10 2013 16:05 lichter wrote: Man how does shellbot do LRs and still keep up with the thread
aside from being a robot ofc
lack of a life?
its actually not that hard... LRing isn't awful if you can type fast enough to keep up with the game.
I almost miss it, but...
also why does shy like throwing lol.
sOs plays for fun man, he's busy making the super entertaining seemingly troll builds like ramp proxy 2 gate vs protoss and tempest v T
sOs has made me a fan at WCS but I'm still mad at him for proxy gating HerO. I think if HerO had made it out, he could've gone to the finals. Beats Alicia easily and then puts his mad PvZ up against the top zerg. That would've been one glorious series. Probably couldn't have done much against Innovation though unless December-HerO showed up.
On June 10 2013 16:05 lichter wrote: Man how does shellbot do LRs and still keep up with the thread
aside from being a robot ofc
lack of a life?
its actually not that hard... LRing isn't awful if you can type fast enough to keep up with the game.
I almost miss it, but...
also why does shy like throwing lol.
sOs plays for fun man, he's busy making the super entertaining seemingly troll builds like ramp proxy 2 gate vs protoss and tempest v T
sOs has made me a fan at WCS but I'm still mad at him for proxy gating HerO. I think if HerO had made it out, he could've gone to the finals. Beats Alicia easily and then puts his mad PvZ up against the top zerg. That would've been one glorious series. Probably couldn't have done much against Innovation though unless December-HerO showed up.
HerO beat Soulkey? Nah man. sOs won with a team kill, soulkey is no push over. HerO had no chance in the WCS Finals, he was tilting so hard. sOs didn't tilt vs Soulkey
On June 10 2013 16:05 lichter wrote: Man how does shellbot do LRs and still keep up with the thread
aside from being a robot ofc
lack of a life?
its actually not that hard... LRing isn't awful if you can type fast enough to keep up with the game.
I almost miss it, but...
also why does shy like throwing lol.
sOs plays for fun man, he's busy making the super entertaining seemingly troll builds like ramp proxy 2 gate vs protoss and tempest v T
sOs has made me a fan at WCS but I'm still mad at him for proxy gating HerO. I think if HerO had made it out, he could've gone to the finals. Beats Alicia easily and then puts his mad PvZ up against the top zerg. That would've been one glorious series. Probably couldn't have done much against Innovation though unless December-HerO showed up.
HerO beat Soulkey? Nah man. sOs won with a team kill, soulkey is no push over. HerO had no chance in the WCS Finals, he was tilting so hard. sOs didn't tilt vs Soulkey
HerO could beat Soulkey. He's got the best PvZ in the world if he wants to. Not saying it's an easy win or even a safe one but he's capable of it. Making it out of that group would have hopefully lifted the tilt. But that's the problem with him, he could be right there with them at the top if only he didn't randomly go on super tilt.
well, I'm at 85 words per minute, 0 mistakes. I think I could get a little faster but then I would make quite some mistakes ^.^
Damn, typing random words is so much harder than fluent sentences. At least for me. I'm normally about 100wpm and very few mistakes, with that I was 75 and like 7% errors
well, I'm at 85 words per minute, 0 mistakes. I think I could get a little faster but then I would make quite some mistakes ^.^
Damn, typing random words is so much harder than fluent sentences. At least for me. I'm normally about 100wpm and very few mistakes, with that I was 75 and like 7% errors
oh well, those Hellbat-drops were awful. Light not able to focus the Hellbats on Probes, he could have won right there with how slow Terminator was reacting
On June 10 2013 16:25 Yello wrote: I think I heard this song before, somehow I connect it with CoD Modern Warfare. I think it was on loading-screens, right?
I kind of randomly made my first fantasy team for this round, and looking at today's match, I realize how little sense my team made. If free can take this one game, however, I'm going to get waaay more points than I deserved
On June 10 2013 16:27 BobMcJohnson wrote: goddamit, I hope this tempest thing doesn't hit the ladder, looks extremely annoying to play against :<
Get a raven.
Raven 200 gas. OK in late game as you stockpile gas, but not at 10 minutes when you are spending your gas on upgrades and in this case, tanks and medivacs/vikings. 1 Raven also won't stop 6 tempests and the gateway army; the fact that PDDs don't move means that you can only defend at one spot, not push with the PDD. Now what do you do when as in this game, Terminator harasses with the warp prism? All the time while you are trying to stop the zealot warp-ins the six tempests are going to drain your PDD and then your tanks get picked off.
I think the problem is that tanks suck against stargate; you want something more mobile that can run away/engage easily.
On June 10 2013 16:27 BobMcJohnson wrote: goddamit, I hope this tempest thing doesn't hit the ladder, looks extremely annoying to play against :<
Get a raven.
Raven 200 gas. OK in late game as you stockpile gas, but not at 10 minutes when you are spending your gas on upgrades and in this case, tanks and medivacs/vikings. 1 Raven also won't stop 6 tempests and the gateway army; the fact that PDDs don't move means that you can only defend at one spot, not push with the PDD. Now what do you do when as in this game, Terminator harasses with the warp prism? All the time while you are trying to stop the zealot warp-ins the six tempests are going to drain your PDD and then your tanks get picked off.
I think the problem is that tanks suck against stargate; you want something more mobile that can run away/engage easily.
It was a blind counter lol. Light* went tank marine and pulled SCVs. If he went for just raw bio with mass marines he wouldn't have given a fuck about those tempests.
On June 10 2013 16:27 BobMcJohnson wrote: goddamit, I hope this tempest thing doesn't hit the ladder, looks extremely annoying to play against :<
Get a raven.
Raven 200 gas. OK in late game as you stockpile gas, but not at 10 minutes when you are spending your gas on upgrades and in this case, tanks and medivacs/vikings. 1 Raven also won't stop 6 tempests and the gateway army; the fact that PDDs don't move means that you can only defend at one spot, not push with the PDD. Now what do you do when as in this game, Terminator harasses with the warp prism? All the time while you are trying to stop the zealot warp-ins the six tempests are going to drain your PDD and then your tanks get picked off.
I think the problem is that tanks suck against stargate; you want something more mobile that can run away/engage easily.
It was a blind counter lol. Baby went tank marine and pulled SCVs. If he went for just raw bio with mass marines he wouldn't have given a fuck about those tempests.
since it was a blind counter, how does a raven help? He lost when he got blind countered...
On June 10 2013 16:27 BobMcJohnson wrote: goddamit, I hope this tempest thing doesn't hit the ladder, looks extremely annoying to play against :<
Get a raven.
Raven 200 gas. OK in late game as you stockpile gas, but not at 10 minutes when you are spending your gas on upgrades and in this case, tanks and medivacs/vikings. 1 Raven also won't stop 6 tempests and the gateway army; the fact that PDDs don't move means that you can only defend at one spot, not push with the PDD. Now what do you do when as in this game, Terminator harasses with the warp prism? All the time while you are trying to stop the zealot warp-ins the six tempests are going to drain your PDD and then your tanks get picked off.
I think the problem is that tanks suck against stargate; you want something more mobile that can run away/engage easily.
It was a blind counter lol. Baby went tank marine and pulled SCVs. If he went for just raw bio with mass marines he wouldn't have given a fuck about those tempests.
Pretty sure it was hellbat tank SCV, with left over marines. He built more raxes and marines when he saw the tempests but it was too late because he had no bio upgrades
On June 10 2013 16:27 BobMcJohnson wrote: goddamit, I hope this tempest thing doesn't hit the ladder, looks extremely annoying to play against :<
Get a raven.
Raven 200 gas. OK in late game as you stockpile gas, but not at 10 minutes when you are spending your gas on upgrades and in this case, tanks and medivacs/vikings. 1 Raven also won't stop 6 tempests and the gateway army; the fact that PDDs don't move means that you can only defend at one spot, not push with the PDD. Now what do you do when as in this game, Terminator harasses with the warp prism? All the time while you are trying to stop the zealot warp-ins the six tempests are going to drain your PDD and then your tanks get picked off.
I think the problem is that tanks suck against stargate; you want something more mobile that can run away/engage easily.
It was a blind counter lol. Baby went tank marine and pulled SCVs. If he went for just raw bio with mass marines he wouldn't have given a fuck about those tempests.
since it was a blind counter, how does a raven help? He lost when he got blind countered...
I was replying to "people playing against it on the ladder" -_-
On June 10 2013 16:27 BobMcJohnson wrote: goddamit, I hope this tempest thing doesn't hit the ladder, looks extremely annoying to play against :<
Get a raven.
Raven 200 gas. OK in late game as you stockpile gas, but not at 10 minutes when you are spending your gas on upgrades and in this case, tanks and medivacs/vikings. 1 Raven also won't stop 6 tempests and the gateway army; the fact that PDDs don't move means that you can only defend at one spot, not push with the PDD. Now what do you do when as in this game, Terminator harasses with the warp prism? All the time while you are trying to stop the zealot warp-ins the six tempests are going to drain your PDD and then your tanks get picked off.
I think the problem is that tanks suck against stargate; you want something more mobile that can run away/engage easily.
It was a blind counter lol. Baby went tank marine and pulled SCVs. If he went for just raw bio with mass marines he wouldn't have given a fuck about those tempests.
Pretty sure it was hellbat tank SCV, with left over marines. He built more raxes and marines when he saw the tempests but it was too late because he had no bio upgrades
He just did the hellbats for drops man. That's not his army composition.
On June 10 2013 16:34 GudulesmSC2 wrote: How does proleague work ? Why does it matter to be in top 4 ?
only the top 4 teams advance to the playoffs! so out of the 8 teams that have been playing this whole season, only 4 will go to the post season. and its still pretty close, WJS is first but KT and SKT both want 2nd and STX, KHAN _AND_ CJ are all still very close to 4th place. so we will see who gets into the final tournament by the end of this week!!! i'm pretty excited and as the season wraps up anything could happennnnnnnnnnn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D
On June 10 2013 16:27 BobMcJohnson wrote: goddamit, I hope this tempest thing doesn't hit the ladder, looks extremely annoying to play against :<
Get a raven.
Raven 200 gas. OK in late game as you stockpile gas, but not at 10 minutes when you are spending your gas on upgrades and in this case, tanks and medivacs/vikings. 1 Raven also won't stop 6 tempests and the gateway army; the fact that PDDs don't move means that you can only defend at one spot, not push with the PDD. Now what do you do when as in this game, Terminator harasses with the warp prism? All the time while you are trying to stop the zealot warp-ins the six tempests are going to drain your PDD and then your tanks get picked off.
I think the problem is that tanks suck against stargate; you want something more mobile that can run away/engage easily.
It was a blind counter lol. Baby went tank marine and pulled SCVs. If he went for just raw bio with mass marines he wouldn't have given a fuck about those tempests.
since it was a blind counter, how does a raven help? He lost when he got blind countered...
Pretty sure that Terminator knew what he was doing. He constantly had hallucinations over there. And Light also scouted the fleet beacon so no, nothing blind from either side.
On June 10 2013 16:27 BobMcJohnson wrote: goddamit, I hope this tempest thing doesn't hit the ladder, looks extremely annoying to play against :<
Get a raven.
Raven 200 gas. OK in late game as you stockpile gas, but not at 10 minutes when you are spending your gas on upgrades and in this case, tanks and medivacs/vikings. 1 Raven also won't stop 6 tempests and the gateway army; the fact that PDDs don't move means that you can only defend at one spot, not push with the PDD. Now what do you do when as in this game, Terminator harasses with the warp prism? All the time while you are trying to stop the zealot warp-ins the six tempests are going to drain your PDD and then your tanks get picked off.
I think the problem is that tanks suck against stargate; you want something more mobile that can run away/engage easily.
It was a blind counter lol. Baby went tank marine and pulled SCVs. If he went for just raw bio with mass marines he wouldn't have given a fuck about those tempests.
since it was a blind counter, how does a raven help? He lost when he got blind countered...
Do any build that isn't an SCV pull tank-hellbat-turret contain. Ravens will now be helpful if you encounter tempests on the ladder.
On June 10 2013 16:27 BobMcJohnson wrote: goddamit, I hope this tempest thing doesn't hit the ladder, looks extremely annoying to play against :<
Get a raven.
Raven 200 gas. OK in late game as you stockpile gas, but not at 10 minutes when you are spending your gas on upgrades and in this case, tanks and medivacs/vikings. 1 Raven also won't stop 6 tempests and the gateway army; the fact that PDDs don't move means that you can only defend at one spot, not push with the PDD. Now what do you do when as in this game, Terminator harasses with the warp prism? All the time while you are trying to stop the zealot warp-ins the six tempests are going to drain your PDD and then your tanks get picked off.
I think the problem is that tanks suck against stargate; you want something more mobile that can run away/engage easily.
It was a blind counter lol. Baby went tank marine and pulled SCVs. If he went for just raw bio with mass marines he wouldn't have given a fuck about those tempests.
since it was a blind counter, how does a raven help? He lost when he got blind countered...
I was replying to "people playing against it on the ladder" -_-
I think you don't even need ravens to play against tempests, just mass marine marauder and harass the protoss to death.
On June 10 2013 16:27 BobMcJohnson wrote: goddamit, I hope this tempest thing doesn't hit the ladder, looks extremely annoying to play against :<
Get a raven.
Raven 200 gas. OK in late game as you stockpile gas, but not at 10 minutes when you are spending your gas on upgrades and in this case, tanks and medivacs/vikings. 1 Raven also won't stop 6 tempests and the gateway army; the fact that PDDs don't move means that you can only defend at one spot, not push with the PDD. Now what do you do when as in this game, Terminator harasses with the warp prism? All the time while you are trying to stop the zealot warp-ins the six tempests are going to drain your PDD and then your tanks get picked off.
I think the problem is that tanks suck against stargate; you want something more mobile that can run away/engage easily.
It was a blind counter lol. Baby went tank marine and pulled SCVs. If he went for just raw bio with mass marines he wouldn't have given a fuck about those tempests.
since it was a blind counter, how does a raven help? He lost when he got blind countered...
I was replying to "people playing against it on the ladder" -_-
I think you don't even need ravens to play against tempests, just mass marine marauder and harass the protoss to death.
Pretty much, yeah. The mobility you give up with going tempests is so easy to exploit.
Comes home, logs on, opens stream, 3-0 at the moment, cool, expected Stars to potentially wipe Team 8 with their opening 4. Wait what, its Team 8 are up 3-0? WTF.
On June 10 2013 06:23 Bagration wrote: Woongjin Stars the by far the strongest team in the world right now, and they might make the finals of the GSL, the WCS Season 1, and Proleague. Ridiculously stacked team
They only need to win 2 games out of 6 in order to advance to the finals. Considering they have dropped at most 3 games during a round, they are in the finals. And they'll win the finals because their ace players are top players and their bench is vastly superior to what the rest of KeSPA can field. Not even Innovation could deny them this crown.
suddenly the first page of the thread feels so awkward to look at lol
On June 10 2013 17:23 Otolia wrote: All the KT fans coming here like creeps. Go home folks, your team is getting by with some uncanny PvP luck (and Flash)
Ok there
Btw, Team 8 got really fucked hard by whoever scheduled their matches. They're playing again TOMORROW against Khan while Khan is gonna play again after that on the 13th vs STX. They could've just made Khan vs STX tomorrow and Khan vs Team 8 on the 13th so that Team 8 won't have to play twice in 2 consecutive days.
They could have even made T8 vs Stars and Khan vs STX today, then T8 vs Khan on the 13th. The other teams are only playing once this week so np there.
On June 10 2013 17:23 Otolia wrote: All the KT fans coming here like creeps. Go home folks, your team is getting by with some uncanny PvP luck (and Flash)
What?
So if you are a fan of one team you can't be fans of another team?
What do you know about KT? What do you know about the struggles of the KT academy, of Yellow, and Reach, and Nal_rA, and hoejja, and violet?
On June 10 2013 17:23 Otolia wrote: All the KT fans coming here like creeps. Go home folks, your team is getting by with some uncanny PvP luck (and Flash)
Someone is slightly jealous at someone elses succes
I don't mind, KT having a shot at 1st place feels good to me :3
On June 10 2013 17:23 Otolia wrote: All the KT fans coming here like creeps. Go home folks, your team is getting by with some uncanny PvP luck (and Flash)
What?
So if you are a fan of one team you can't be fans of another team?
What do you know about KT? What do you know about the struggles of the KT academy, of Yellow, and Reach, and Nal_rA, and hoejja, and violet?
Yea fuck off.
I hope for your sake you're not accusing this guy of being pro-cancer.
Anyway, almost all of those players have nothing to do with the current state of the team.
On June 10 2013 17:23 Otolia wrote: All the KT fans coming here like creeps. Go home folks, your team is getting by with some uncanny PvP luck (and Flash)
What?
So if you are a fan of one team you can't be fans of another team?
What do you know about KT? What do you know about the struggles of the KT academy, of Yellow, and Reach, and Nal_rA, and hoejja, and violet?
Yea fuck off.
That's not the point since no one came here for that. After what he said about a team, if there is one creep, it's him. Anyway I'm pretty sure he doesn't even know who they are.
So if you are a fan of one team you can't be fans of another team?
What do you know about KT? What do you know about the struggles of the KT academy, of Yellow, and Reach, and Nal_rA, and hoejja, and violet?
Yea fuck off.
On June 10 2013 19:34 Glioburd wrote: That's not the point since no one came here for that. After what he said about a team, if there is one creep, it's him. Anyway I'm pretty sure he doesn't even know who they are.
I'm taunting you who come here to laugh about WJS's loss because the crown is Woongjin's to lose and there is nothing KT can do about it. But apparently this awakens some primal aggressive instinct.
I guess the king's fools aren't so keen on losing their former spotlight.
On June 10 2013 20:05 Otolia wrote: I'm taunting you who come here to laugh about WJS's loss
lol. Because someone said gogo KT ? Really ?
On June 10 2013 20:05 Otolia wrote: But apparently this awakens some primal aggressive instinct.
On June 10 2013 16:22 Otolia wrote: Why are these scrubs allowed to win ?!
On June 10 2013 17:23 Otolia wrote: All the KT fans coming here like creeps.Go home folks, your team is getting by with some uncanny PvP luck (and Flash)
Indeed bro, indeed. Please stop posting and go back on Millenium.
On June 10 2013 20:18 Glioburd wrote: Indeed bro, indeed. Please stop posting and go back on Millenium.
I am ubiquitous, so I can be here and there at the same time. I suppose telling me to go back to my favorite team's website is your way to make me feel unwanted, don't worry I'm used to the stupid contempt old BW fans display when talking to newer SC2 fans. Thanks for your concern though.
There is no point to answer me if it's only for my taunt. I shoud have limited my words to indeed for keeping you focused on the absurdity of what you were saying. Nice useless dodge post. At least it proves that you realized you were the only agressive and basic fan in the previous page. I hope.
Does it not occur to you that KT fans are here because the fans who like T8 and or Woongjin who stayed up this time just so happen to also be KT fans? Not just because we are here to laugh at Woongjin's loss? That's bloody ridiculous. Most BW fans want T8 to succeed for so many reasons. T8 has / had fan favorites from other dissolved teams, from OZ, from MBC, from WeMadeFox, etc. T8 needs the exposure so much more than other teams for potential sponsors and for the players to stay active or they might LITERALLY STOP BEING PROGAMERS. Even when KT is playing vs T8 I cheer for T8. What did we do that made us creeps exactly. Cheer for T8 while never saying one bad word about Woongjin?
On June 10 2013 22:29 Caihead wrote: Does it not occur to you that KT fans are here because the fans who like T8 and or Woongjin who stayed up this time just so happen to also be KT fans? Not just because we are here to laugh at Woongjin's loss? That's bloody ridiculous. Most BW fans want T8 to succeed for so many reasons. T8 has / had fan favorites from other dissolved teams, from OZ, from MBC, from WeMadeFox, etc. T8 needs the exposure so much more than other teams for potential sponsors and for the players to stay active or they might LITERALLY STOP BEING PROGAMERS. Even when KT is playing vs T8 I cheer for T8. What did we do that made us creeps exactly. Cheer for T8 while never saying one bad word about Woongjin?
LET'S BLOW A SMALL COMMENT OUT OF PROPORTION JUST BECAUSE WE CAN !
Mildly trolling you is somewhat amusing but I was just jesting. My mistake for thinking this rather deserted thread would be taken so seriously. Please accept my apologies.
On June 11 2013 03:19 Mortal wrote: of course I traded Argo and Light lost as well. Baww when will it be my turn to FPL well
For me it feels like the answer is when the 5000 other FPLers have had their turn.
Gah. I feel like last term I had a great team and then everyone just started losing and my anti-team had a fucking tirade on everyone. Maybe I need to just sit down and watch all the VODs and really actually learn the players. Or just keep fucking around because it's fun.
On June 11 2013 03:19 Mortal wrote: of course I traded Argo and Light lost as well. Baww when will it be my turn to FPL well
For me it feels like the answer is when the 5000 other FPLers have had their turn.
Gah. I feel like last term I had a great team and then everyone just started losing and my anti-team had a fucking tirade on everyone. Maybe I need to just sit down and watch all the VODs and really actually learn the players. Or just keep fucking around because it's fun.
SPL thrives on unexpected results; I think being knowledgable would only get you so far (implying a luck factor to excuse my bad results ).
Wow that was pretty sick by T8. But just as EGTL was getting close to 7th place... I figured out they can still make the playoffs! If SKT goes 0-7, Samsung Khan goes 2-5, CJ goes 3-4, and Team 8 loses more games than we do, TL makes the playoffs! (EG-TL has to go 7-0)
We have Woongjin who is way better than T8 and Woongjin lose 0-4, how is that possible? Um, Woongjin is already qualified and T8 need victories and goal difference. If Woongjin is friend with T8, the 0-4 is suddenly more understandable, but I hope I'm wrong.
On June 12 2013 08:43 Thurken wrote: We have Woongjin who is way better than T8 and Woongjin lose 0-4, how is that possible? Um, Woongjin is already qualified and T8 need victories and goal difference. If Woongjin is friend with T8, the 0-4 is suddenly more understandable, but I hope I'm wrong.
It's really very silly to suggest that match fixing is going on. These upsets in Proleague are more common than you'd think. EGTL even takes what few wins it can off of strong teams like Woongjin sometimes. Whatever happens happens.
On June 12 2013 08:43 Thurken wrote: We have Woongjin who is way better than T8 and Woongjin lose 0-4, how is that possible? Um, Woongjin is already qualified and T8 need victories and goal difference. If Woongjin is friend with T8, the 0-4 is suddenly more understandable, but I hope I'm wrong.
Actually T8 can't really make playoffs (they're out if SKT wins a single series), and Woonjin star really want to get first place so they get the best playoffs seed, so actually Woonjin star needed this win more than T8
On June 11 2013 03:19 Mortal wrote: of course I traded Argo and Light lost as well. Baww when will it be my turn to FPL well
For me it feels like the answer is when the 5000 other FPLers have had their turn.
Gah. I feel like last term I had a great team and then everyone just started losing and my anti-team had a fucking tirade on everyone. Maybe I need to just sit down and watch all the VODs and really actually learn the players. Or just keep fucking around because it's fun.
SPL thrives on unexpected results; I think being knowledgable would only get you so far (implying a luck factor to excuse my bad results ).
There's not much of a luck factor, I've been top 100 every round so far (though this one will probably break the streak).
On June 11 2013 03:19 Mortal wrote: of course I traded Argo and Light lost as well. Baww when will it be my turn to FPL well
For me it feels like the answer is when the 5000 other FPLers have had their turn.
Gah. I feel like last term I had a great team and then everyone just started losing and my anti-team had a fucking tirade on everyone. Maybe I need to just sit down and watch all the VODs and really actually learn the players. Or just keep fucking around because it's fun.
SPL thrives on unexpected results; I think being knowledgable would only get you so far (implying a luck factor to excuse my bad results ).
There's not much of a luck factor, I've been top 100 every round so far (though this one will probably break the streak).
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