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On June 06 2013 20:18 DrPandaPhD wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 20:17 Bowzar wrote:On June 06 2013 20:10 DrPandaPhD wrote:On June 06 2013 20:09 Fusilero wrote:On June 06 2013 20:05 Shellshock1122 wrote:On June 06 2013 20:04 sitromit wrote:On June 06 2013 20:02 Shellshock1122 wrote:On June 06 2013 20:01 Scribble wrote:On June 06 2013 19:59 Grumbels wrote:On June 06 2013 19:56 Laryleprakon wrote:
Hopefully Prime can come back or their players end up on good teams. All their players are slumping and they only have four good players left. I think at this point the Korean scene would benefit from Prime and NsH disbanding to be honest. Proleague can use some good terran players in any case. Who would benefit from Prime or NsH disbanding? the players that could go to better teams with a better environment and have a chance to be relevant in sc2 That would also mean the death of GSTL though. To be honest I don't know how much of a future GSTL has at this point anyway. I would prefer to see a consolidated team league but I dont really know how that would work with the politics behind it Disband GSTL, AZUBU/StarTale/IM/MVP into proleague, prime and hoseo players available as mercenaries for teams. Hey FXO : ( Also team MVP seem to struggle with money as well They have like 4 LoL teams and they can also afford to send players to foreign events, they are fine and have money somehow. Actually, all MVPs sponsor only want to sponsor their LoL squad, not sc2. DRG is not coming to DreamHack due to money issues.
Ouch  . Too bad, winning DH might have boosted his confidence.
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On June 06 2013 20:20 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 20:19 Bowzar wrote:On June 06 2013 20:17 opterown wrote:On June 06 2013 20:17 Bowzar wrote:On June 06 2013 20:10 DrPandaPhD wrote:On June 06 2013 20:09 Fusilero wrote:On June 06 2013 20:05 Shellshock1122 wrote:On June 06 2013 20:04 sitromit wrote:On June 06 2013 20:02 Shellshock1122 wrote:On June 06 2013 20:01 Scribble wrote:
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Who would benefit from Prime or NsH disbanding? the players that could go to better teams with a better environment and have a chance to be relevant in sc2 That would also mean the death of GSTL though. To be honest I don't know how much of a future GSTL has at this point anyway. I would prefer to see a consolidated team league but I dont really know how that would work with the politics behind it Disband GSTL, AZUBU/StarTale/IM/MVP into proleague, prime and hoseo players available as mercenaries for teams. Hey FXO : ( Also team MVP seem to struggle with money as well They have like 4 LoL teams and they can also afford to send players to foreign events, they are fine and have money somehow. they actually can't send players to foreign events haha What? DRG is coming to Dreamhack Summer and they have two players in WCS EU. Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 20:19 Laryleprakon wrote:On June 06 2013 20:17 opterown wrote:On June 06 2013 20:17 Bowzar wrote:On June 06 2013 20:10 DrPandaPhD wrote:On June 06 2013 20:09 Fusilero wrote:On June 06 2013 20:05 Shellshock1122 wrote:On June 06 2013 20:04 sitromit wrote:On June 06 2013 20:02 Shellshock1122 wrote:On June 06 2013 20:01 Scribble wrote:
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Who would benefit from Prime or NsH disbanding? the players that could go to better teams with a better environment and have a chance to be relevant in sc2 That would also mean the death of GSTL though. To be honest I don't know how much of a future GSTL has at this point anyway. I would prefer to see a consolidated team league but I dont really know how that would work with the politics behind it Disband GSTL, AZUBU/StarTale/IM/MVP into proleague, prime and hoseo players available as mercenaries for teams. Hey FXO : ( Also team MVP seem to struggle with money as well They have like 4 LoL teams and they can also afford to send players to foreign events, they are fine and have money somehow. they actually can't send players to foreign events haha Isn't DRG going to DH ? DRG isn't going to DH, read his fanclub there's a huge fuss about it
Surprising he doesn't just pay for it himself to save his team looking bad.
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On June 06 2013 20:19 Laryleprakon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 20:17 opterown wrote:On June 06 2013 20:17 Bowzar wrote:On June 06 2013 20:10 DrPandaPhD wrote:On June 06 2013 20:09 Fusilero wrote:On June 06 2013 20:05 Shellshock1122 wrote:On June 06 2013 20:04 sitromit wrote:On June 06 2013 20:02 Shellshock1122 wrote:On June 06 2013 20:01 Scribble wrote:On June 06 2013 19:59 Grumbels wrote:
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All their players are slumping and they only have four good players left. I think at this point the Korean scene would benefit from Prime and NsH disbanding to be honest. Proleague can use some good terran players in any case. Who would benefit from Prime or NsH disbanding? the players that could go to better teams with a better environment and have a chance to be relevant in sc2 That would also mean the death of GSTL though. To be honest I don't know how much of a future GSTL has at this point anyway. I would prefer to see a consolidated team league but I dont really know how that would work with the politics behind it Disband GSTL, AZUBU/StarTale/IM/MVP into proleague, prime and hoseo players available as mercenaries for teams. Hey FXO : ( Also team MVP seem to struggle with money as well They have like 4 LoL teams and they can also afford to send players to foreign events, they are fine and have money somehow. they actually can't send players to foreign events haha Isn't DRG going to DH ?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=224348¤tpage=269#5380
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United States97276 Posts
On June 06 2013 20:17 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 20:14 Shellshock1122 wrote:On June 06 2013 20:10 Shellshock1122 wrote:On June 06 2013 20:06 Shellshock1122 wrote:0:00  ParalyzE spawns in the bottom left  EffOrt spawns in the top left 2:00 hatch first for EffOrt Nexus first for Paralyze pool for EffOrt forge for Paralyze in main gas for EffOrt 3:00 gateway for Paralyze double gas for Paralyze cannon for Paralyze 4:00 ling speed for EffOrt Cybernetics core for Paralyze zealot for Paralyze 5:00 Paralyze probe scouting and sees no 3rd yet Stargate for Paralyze double evo for EffOrt 2 more gas for Paralyze 6:00 another cannon for Paralyze 1-1 ling upgrades started for EffOrt mothership core for Paralyze phoenix production started for Paralyze 2nd gas for EffOrt 7:00 58 vs 61 robo for Paralyze Lair for EffOrt 2 more gas for EffOrt +1 attack started for Paralyze 8:00 66 vs 61 Spire for EffOrt spores for EffOrt 3 more gates for Paralyze Robo bay for Paralyze infestation pit for EffOrt observer for Paralyze 9:00 71 vs 74 phoenixes harassing the main minera line 1 phoenix is taken out by queens and a spore 3rd base for Paralyze ling runby to the 3rd of Paralyze 2-2 for EffOrt sentries of Paralyze are killed 3rd of Paralyze is canceled colossus production started for Paralyze Hive for EffOrt 10:00 80 vs 83 2 more gates for Paralyze phoenixes harassing the main mineral line again Hive is scouted 3rd base restarted for Paralyze ling runby to the 3rd of Paralyze 11:00 99vs 91 lings are cleaned up by zealots and the colossus adrenal glands for EffOrt +2 attack for Paralyze ultralisk cavern for EffOrt infestors started for EffOrt 12:00 113 vs 105 ling runby to the natural is denied 2 more gates for Paralyze Paralyze still making colossi 2nd robo for Paralyze Extended thermal lance research started for Paralyze 13:00 125 vs 125 ultras started for EffOrt chitinous plating for EffOrt spire for EffOrt phoenixes scout the ultralisk cavern double immortal production started for Paralyze 14:00 136 vs 133 4th base for EffOrt Templar archives for Paralyze 11 queens out for EffOrt 15:00 156 vs 131 tons of spines going up for EffOrt Fleet beacon for Paralyze +3 attack started for Paralyze +3 melee started for EffOrt Greater spire for EffOrt Corruptors started for EffOrt
16:00 160 vs 162
phoenix range for Paralyze
4th base for Paralyze is forced to cancel by a ling runby
blink research for Paralyze
storm research for Paralyze
+3 carapace for EffOrt
17:00 177 vs 163
4th base restarted for Paralyze
5th base for EffOrt
Brood lords started for EffOrt
+1 air carapace for EffOrt
Tempest production started for Paralyze
ling runby to the 4th of EffOrt is cleaned up by ultras
18:00 177 vs 186
Paralyze starting to clean up creep but backs off
2nd starport for Paralyze
more corruptors for EffOrt
more spines for EffOrt
EffOrt moving towards the 3rd of Paralyze
Brood lords sieging the 3rd
19:00 195 vs 197
fungal on the protoss army
storm on the brood lords
queens transfusing
another fungal on the army
only 1 tempest out
double tempest production started for Paralyze
phoenixes killing the brood lords
immortals clean up the ultras
another tempest is out to help kill the broods
20:00 137 vs 162
stalkers blink under the brood lords and help clean them up
phoenixes are all killed by corruptors
corruptors starting to kill colossi before being chased away by stalkers
vipers startedf or EffOrt
Corruptors and ultras for EffOrt
ling runby to the 4th of Paralyze
mothership core rebuilding for Paralyze
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Effort needs Vipers. One Blinding Cloud would have made that a different fight.
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Damn he should had start building a few vipers earlier. O well I like the position Effort is in. Gogo Effort!
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On June 06 2013 20:16 Zenbrez wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 20:15 ZenithM wrote:
Bisu and MarineKing in the same team would be too much for me to handle I think. One man can only bare so much heartache
The sad part is: that's exactly how I meant it :'(
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On June 06 2013 20:20 Laryleprakon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 20:20 opterown wrote:On June 06 2013 20:19 Bowzar wrote:On June 06 2013 20:17 opterown wrote:On June 06 2013 20:17 Bowzar wrote:On June 06 2013 20:10 DrPandaPhD wrote:On June 06 2013 20:09 Fusilero wrote:On June 06 2013 20:05 Shellshock1122 wrote:On June 06 2013 20:04 sitromit wrote:On June 06 2013 20:02 Shellshock1122 wrote:
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the players that could go to better teams with a better environment and have a chance to be relevant in sc2 That would also mean the death of GSTL though. To be honest I don't know how much of a future GSTL has at this point anyway. I would prefer to see a consolidated team league but I dont really know how that would work with the politics behind it Disband GSTL, AZUBU/StarTale/IM/MVP into proleague, prime and hoseo players available as mercenaries for teams. Hey FXO : ( Also team MVP seem to struggle with money as well They have like 4 LoL teams and they can also afford to send players to foreign events, they are fine and have money somehow. they actually can't send players to foreign events haha What? DRG is coming to Dreamhack Summer and they have two players in WCS EU. On June 06 2013 20:19 Laryleprakon wrote:On June 06 2013 20:17 opterown wrote:On June 06 2013 20:17 Bowzar wrote:On June 06 2013 20:10 DrPandaPhD wrote:On June 06 2013 20:09 Fusilero wrote:On June 06 2013 20:05 Shellshock1122 wrote:On June 06 2013 20:04 sitromit wrote:On June 06 2013 20:02 Shellshock1122 wrote:
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the players that could go to better teams with a better environment and have a chance to be relevant in sc2 That would also mean the death of GSTL though. To be honest I don't know how much of a future GSTL has at this point anyway. I would prefer to see a consolidated team league but I dont really know how that would work with the politics behind it Disband GSTL, AZUBU/StarTale/IM/MVP into proleague, prime and hoseo players available as mercenaries for teams. Hey FXO : ( Also team MVP seem to struggle with money as well They have like 4 LoL teams and they can also afford to send players to foreign events, they are fine and have money somehow. they actually can't send players to foreign events haha Isn't DRG going to DH ? DRG isn't going to DH, read his fanclub there's a huge fuss about it Surprising he doesn't just pay for it himself to save his team looking bad.
it wouldn't be an economically sound decision though. he gets a bit more exposure and maybe WCS points but is almost guaranteed to lose money
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Wait, so how are Tails and Finale going to play in the LAN part of WCS EU if Team MVP can't afford to send their star player to DH? I hope they know that Blizzard isn't paying for international flights.
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How are you going to do with the icons and the supply and stuff in mirror matchups, Shellshock? :p
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Should have change some Ultras into Vipers in that first fight.
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Effort's macro is way off in this match.
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wwooow blinding cloud is soooo underused
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On June 06 2013 20:20 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 20:15 scypio wrote:On June 06 2013 20:12 absinthfee wrote:On June 06 2013 20:09 DrPandaPhD wrote:On June 06 2013 20:07 scypio wrote:On June 06 2013 19:59 Doublemint wrote:On June 06 2013 19:56 scypio wrote:Fun fact: WCS Season 2 will be the worst season for terrans in terms of numbers since the beginning of Starcraft 2, GSL Open seasons, GSL Code S and finally WCS.
P T Z R
2010 OS 1: 27/ 21 /16
2010 OS 2: 20/ 29 /15
2010 OS 3: 12/ 24 /27 / 1
2011 January: 9/ 14 /9
2011 March: 9/ 15 /8
2011 May: 10/ 14 /8
2011 July: 9/ 15 /8
2011 August: 8/ 17 /7
2011 November: 5/ 19 /8
2012 S1: 8/ 15 /9
2012 S2: 10/ 15 /7
2012 S3: 10/ 13 /9
2012 S4: 10/ 13 /9
2012 S5: 9/ 14 /9
2013 S1: 5/ 13 /14
2013 WCS S1: 7/ 11 /14
2013 WCS S2: 10/ 8 /12, 2 NYD (but no terrans).
First I was like, yummy poetic justice - then I looked at the earlier protoss/zerg stats compared to terran. Now I don't get the funny part in it. The fun part is that we had those "hellbat OP! widow mine OP! T unbeatable!" cries since the launch of HotS. Reality check: T takes it's biggest dive in the history of SC2 and Korean premier tournaments. HotS balance aside. I think the main reason there are less terrans are because of the last WoL season being only 1 season apart from this one. Give it 1-2 more seasons and the lesser zergs will drop out and the better terrans will get back in. In my opinion there were also a lot of terran players who left to another Scene. Teaja, MVP and Ryung, who were Code S regulars come to mind. From the other races only Hero left who was in Code A. They left because they know they don't stand a chance in Korea anymore. They left because they are on teams that can afford to send them to another region where It's easier to make money, that's all there is to it.
We will see them in season finals soon enough. If they make it past ro8 it will be quite a nice surprise.
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Paralyze warping stalkers .. Yeah I don't know :p
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I hate the fact that tosses haven't learned shit in 3 years and still a-move their way into a corner w/o thinking a bit.
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On June 06 2013 20:15 scypio wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 20:12 absinthfee wrote:On June 06 2013 20:09 DrPandaPhD wrote:On June 06 2013 20:07 scypio wrote:On June 06 2013 19:59 Doublemint wrote:On June 06 2013 19:56 scypio wrote:Fun fact: WCS Season 2 will be the worst season for terrans in terms of numbers since the beginning of Starcraft 2, GSL Open seasons, GSL Code S and finally WCS.
P T Z R
2010 OS 1: 27/ 21 /16
2010 OS 2: 20/ 29 /15
2010 OS 3: 12/ 24 /27 / 1
2011 January: 9/ 14 /9
2011 March: 9/ 15 /8
2011 May: 10/ 14 /8
2011 July: 9/ 15 /8
2011 August: 8/ 17 /7
2011 November: 5/ 19 /8
2012 S1: 8/ 15 /9
2012 S2: 10/ 15 /7
2012 S3: 10/ 13 /9
2012 S4: 10/ 13 /9
2012 S5: 9/ 14 /9
2013 S1: 5/ 13 /14
2013 WCS S1: 7/ 11 /14
2013 WCS S2: 10/ 8 /12, 2 NYD (but no terrans).
First I was like, yummy poetic justice - then I looked at the earlier protoss/zerg stats compared to terran. Now I don't get the funny part in it. The fun part is that we had those "hellbat OP! widow mine OP! T unbeatable!" cries since the launch of HotS. Reality check: T takes it's biggest dive in the history of SC2 and Korean premier tournaments. HotS balance aside. I think the main reason there are less terrans are because of the last WoL season being only 1 season apart from this one. Give it 1-2 more seasons and the lesser zergs will drop out and the better terrans will get back in. In my opinion there were also a lot of terran players who left to another Scene. Teaja, MVP and Ryung, who were Code S regulars come to mind. From the other races only Hero left who was in Code A. They left because they know they don't stand a chance in Korea anymore.
Not really. They could still compete with others, but they left because its much easier to get money/wcs points. and etc.
I wouldve done the same if i were in their shoes
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
Paralyze should just throw his hair at Effort for an immediate win
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Oh shit dat stalker block
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