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On June 06 2013 20:10 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 20:06 Shellshock1122 wrote:0:00  ParalyzE spawns in the bottom left  EffOrt spawns in the top left 2:00 hatch first for EffOrt Nexus first for Paralyze pool for EffOrt forge for Paralyze in main gas for EffOrt 3:00 gateway for Paralyze double gas for Paralyze cannon for Paralyze 4:00 ling speed for EffOrt Cybernetics core for Paralyze zealot for Paralyze 5:00 Paralyze probe scouting and sees no 3rd yet Stargate for Paralyze double evo for EffOrt 2 more gas for Paralyze
6:00
another cannon for Paralyze
1-1 ling upgrades started for EffOrt
mothership core for Paralyze
phoenix production started for Paralyze
2nd gas for EffOrt
7:00 58 vs 61
robo for Paralyze
Lair for EffOrt
2 more gas for EffOrt
+1 attack started for Paralyze
8:00 66 vs 61
Spire for EffOrt
spores for EffOrt
3 more gates for Paralyze
Robo bay for Paralyze
infestation pit for EffOrt
observer for Paralyze
9:00 71 vs 74
phoenixes harassing the main minera line
1 phoenix is taken out by queens and a spore
3rd base for Paralyze
ling runby to the 3rd of Paralyze
2-2 for EffOrt
sentries of Paralyze are killed
3rd of Paralyze is canceled
colossus production started for Paralyze
Hive for EffOrt
10:00 80 vs 83
2 more gates for Paralyze
phoenixes harassing the main mineral line again
Hive is scouted
3rd base restarted for Paralyze
ling runby to the 3rd of Paralyze
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On June 06 2013 20:12 absinthfee wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 20:09 DrPandaPhD wrote:On June 06 2013 20:07 scypio wrote:On June 06 2013 19:59 Doublemint wrote:On June 06 2013 19:56 scypio wrote:Fun fact: WCS Season 2 will be the worst season for terrans in terms of numbers since the beginning of Starcraft 2, GSL Open seasons, GSL Code S and finally WCS.
P T Z R
2010 OS 1: 27/ 21 /16
2010 OS 2: 20/ 29 /15
2010 OS 3: 12/ 24 /27 / 1
2011 January: 9/ 14 /9
2011 March: 9/ 15 /8
2011 May: 10/ 14 /8
2011 July: 9/ 15 /8
2011 August: 8/ 17 /7
2011 November: 5/ 19 /8
2012 S1: 8/ 15 /9
2012 S2: 10/ 15 /7
2012 S3: 10/ 13 /9
2012 S4: 10/ 13 /9
2012 S5: 9/ 14 /9
2013 S1: 5/ 13 /14
2013 WCS S1: 7/ 11 /14
2013 WCS S2: 10/ 8 /12, 2 NYD (but no terrans).
First I was like, yummy poetic justice - then I looked at the earlier protoss/zerg stats compared to terran. Now I don't get the funny part in it. The fun part is that we had those "hellbat OP! widow mine OP! T unbeatable!" cries since the launch of HotS. Reality check: T takes it's biggest dive in the history of SC2 and Korean premier tournaments. HotS balance aside. I think the main reason there are less terrans are because of the last WoL season being only 1 season apart from this one. Give it 1-2 more seasons and the lesser zergs will drop out and the better terrans will get back in. In my opinion there were also a lot of terran players who left to another Scene. Teaja, MVP and Ryung, who were Code S regulars come to mind. From the other races only Hero left who was in Code A.
They left because they know they don't stand a chance in Korea anymore.
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Bisu and MarineKing in the same team would be too much for me to handle I think.
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On June 06 2013 20:15 polpot wrote:
The Khaldor upgrade lol
Khaldor and Wolf are sick combo :D
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On June 06 2013 20:15 ZenithM wrote:
Bisu and MarineKing in the same team would be too much for me to handle I think.
One man can only bare so much heartache
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On June 06 2013 20:15 eGoRama wrote:Khaldor and Wolf are sick combo :D
Yeah 
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On June 06 2013 20:10 DrPandaPhD wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 20:09 Fusilero wrote:On June 06 2013 20:05 Shellshock1122 wrote:On June 06 2013 20:04 sitromit wrote:On June 06 2013 20:02 Shellshock1122 wrote:On June 06 2013 20:01 Scribble wrote:On June 06 2013 19:59 Grumbels wrote:On June 06 2013 19:56 Laryleprakon wrote:
Hopefully Prime can come back or their players end up on good teams. All their players are slumping and they only have four good players left. I think at this point the Korean scene would benefit from Prime and NsH disbanding to be honest. Proleague can use some good terran players in any case. Who would benefit from Prime or NsH disbanding? the players that could go to better teams with a better environment and have a chance to be relevant in sc2 That would also mean the death of GSTL though. To be honest I don't know how much of a future GSTL has at this point anyway. I would prefer to see a consolidated team league but I dont really know how that would work with the politics behind it Disband GSTL, AZUBU/StarTale/IM/MVP into proleague, prime and hoseo players available as mercenaries for teams. Hey FXO : ( Also team MVP seem to struggle with money as well
They have like 4 LoL teams and they can also afford to send players to foreign events, they are fine and have money somehow.
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On June 06 2013 20:14 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 20:10 Shellshock1122 wrote:On June 06 2013 20:06 Shellshock1122 wrote:0:00 ParalyzE spawns in the bottom left EffOrt spawns in the top left 2:00 hatch first for EffOrt Nexus first for Paralyze pool for EffOrt forge for Paralyze in main gas for EffOrt 3:00 gateway for Paralyze double gas for Paralyze cannon for Paralyze 4:00 ling speed for EffOrt Cybernetics core for Paralyze zealot for Paralyze 5:00 Paralyze probe scouting and sees no 3rd yet Stargate for Paralyze double evo for EffOrt 2 more gas for Paralyze 6:00 another cannon for Paralyze 1-1 ling upgrades started for EffOrt mothership core for Paralyze phoenix production started for Paralyze 2nd gas for EffOrt 7:00 58 vs 61 robo for Paralyze Lair for EffOrt 2 more gas for EffOrt +1 attack started for Paralyze 8:00 66 vs 61 Spire for EffOrt spores for EffOrt 3 more gates for Paralyze Robo bay for Paralyze infestation pit for EffOrt observer for Paralyze 9:00 71 vs 74 phoenixes harassing the main minera line 1 phoenix is taken out by queens and a spore 3rd base for Paralyze ling runby to the 3rd of Paralyze 2-2 for EffOrt sentries of Paralyze are killed 3rd of Paralyze is canceled colossus production started for Paralyze Hive for EffOrt 10:00 80 vs 83 2 more gates for Paralyze phoenixes harassing the main mineral line again Hive is scouted 3rd base restarted for Paralyze ling runby to the 3rd of Paralyze
11:00 99vs 91
lings are cleaned up by zealots and the colossus
adrenal glands for EffOrt
+2 attack for Paralyze
ultralisk cavern for EffOrt
infestors started for EffOrt
12:00 113 vs 105
ling runby to the natural is denied
2 more gates for Paralyze
Paralyze still making colossi
2nd robo for Paralyze
Extended thermal lance research started for Paralyze
13:00 125 vs 125
ultras started for EffOrt
chitinous plating for EffOrt
spire for EffOrt
phoenixes scout the ultralisk cavern
double immortal production started for Paralyze
14:00 136 vs 133
4th base for EffOrt
Templar archives for Paralyze
11 queens out for EffOrt
15:00 156 vs 131
tons of spines going up for EffOrt
Fleet beacon for Paralyze
+3 attack started for Paralyze
+3 melee started for EffOrt
Greater spire for EffOrt
Corruptors started for EffOrt
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On June 06 2013 20:17 Bowzar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 20:10 DrPandaPhD wrote:On June 06 2013 20:09 Fusilero wrote:On June 06 2013 20:05 Shellshock1122 wrote:On June 06 2013 20:04 sitromit wrote:On June 06 2013 20:02 Shellshock1122 wrote:On June 06 2013 20:01 Scribble wrote:On June 06 2013 19:59 Grumbels wrote:On June 06 2013 19:56 Laryleprakon wrote:
Hopefully Prime can come back or their players end up on good teams. All their players are slumping and they only have four good players left. I think at this point the Korean scene would benefit from Prime and NsH disbanding to be honest. Proleague can use some good terran players in any case. Who would benefit from Prime or NsH disbanding? the players that could go to better teams with a better environment and have a chance to be relevant in sc2 That would also mean the death of GSTL though. To be honest I don't know how much of a future GSTL has at this point anyway. I would prefer to see a consolidated team league but I dont really know how that would work with the politics behind it Disband GSTL, AZUBU/StarTale/IM/MVP into proleague, prime and hoseo players available as mercenaries for teams. Hey FXO : ( Also team MVP seem to struggle with money as well They have like 4 LoL teams and they can also afford to send players to foreign events, they are fine and have money somehow.
Spending lots of money doesn't mean they're bathing in money. Could easily be pushing their budget/being in debt
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On June 06 2013 20:17 Bowzar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 20:10 DrPandaPhD wrote:On June 06 2013 20:09 Fusilero wrote:On June 06 2013 20:05 Shellshock1122 wrote:On June 06 2013 20:04 sitromit wrote:On June 06 2013 20:02 Shellshock1122 wrote:On June 06 2013 20:01 Scribble wrote:On June 06 2013 19:59 Grumbels wrote:On June 06 2013 19:56 Laryleprakon wrote:
Hopefully Prime can come back or their players end up on good teams. All their players are slumping and they only have four good players left. I think at this point the Korean scene would benefit from Prime and NsH disbanding to be honest. Proleague can use some good terran players in any case. Who would benefit from Prime or NsH disbanding? the players that could go to better teams with a better environment and have a chance to be relevant in sc2 That would also mean the death of GSTL though. To be honest I don't know how much of a future GSTL has at this point anyway. I would prefer to see a consolidated team league but I dont really know how that would work with the politics behind it Disband GSTL, AZUBU/StarTale/IM/MVP into proleague, prime and hoseo players available as mercenaries for teams. Hey FXO : ( Also team MVP seem to struggle with money as well They have like 4 LoL teams and they can also afford to send players to foreign events, they are fine and have money somehow.
they actually can't send players to foreign events haha
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On June 06 2013 20:17 Bowzar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 20:10 DrPandaPhD wrote:On June 06 2013 20:09 Fusilero wrote:On June 06 2013 20:05 Shellshock1122 wrote:On June 06 2013 20:04 sitromit wrote:On June 06 2013 20:02 Shellshock1122 wrote:On June 06 2013 20:01 Scribble wrote:On June 06 2013 19:59 Grumbels wrote:On June 06 2013 19:56 Laryleprakon wrote:
Hopefully Prime can come back or their players end up on good teams. All their players are slumping and they only have four good players left. I think at this point the Korean scene would benefit from Prime and NsH disbanding to be honest. Proleague can use some good terran players in any case. Who would benefit from Prime or NsH disbanding? the players that could go to better teams with a better environment and have a chance to be relevant in sc2 That would also mean the death of GSTL though. To be honest I don't know how much of a future GSTL has at this point anyway. I would prefer to see a consolidated team league but I dont really know how that would work with the politics behind it Disband GSTL, AZUBU/StarTale/IM/MVP into proleague, prime and hoseo players available as mercenaries for teams. Hey FXO : ( Also team MVP seem to struggle with money as well They have like 4 LoL teams and they can also afford to send players to foreign events, they are fine and have money somehow.
Actually, all MVPs sponsor only want to sponsor their LoL squad, not sc2.
DRG is not coming to DreamHack due to money issues.
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Paralyze looking sharp, let's hope he also knows how to execute well in the fight.
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On June 06 2013 20:17 Bowzar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 20:10 DrPandaPhD wrote:On June 06 2013 20:09 Fusilero wrote:On June 06 2013 20:05 Shellshock1122 wrote:On June 06 2013 20:04 sitromit wrote:On June 06 2013 20:02 Shellshock1122 wrote:On June 06 2013 20:01 Scribble wrote:On June 06 2013 19:59 Grumbels wrote:On June 06 2013 19:56 Laryleprakon wrote:
Hopefully Prime can come back or their players end up on good teams. All their players are slumping and they only have four good players left. I think at this point the Korean scene would benefit from Prime and NsH disbanding to be honest. Proleague can use some good terran players in any case. Who would benefit from Prime or NsH disbanding? the players that could go to better teams with a better environment and have a chance to be relevant in sc2 That would also mean the death of GSTL though. To be honest I don't know how much of a future GSTL has at this point anyway. I would prefer to see a consolidated team league but I dont really know how that would work with the politics behind it Disband GSTL, AZUBU/StarTale/IM/MVP into proleague, prime and hoseo players available as mercenaries for teams. Hey FXO : ( Also team MVP seem to struggle with money as well They have like 4 LoL teams and they can also afford to send players to foreign events, they are fine and have money somehow.
Actually recently they've not been able to afford sending players to foreign events. Apparantly their LoL teams gets sponsorships that don't count for SC2 team.
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Let's make all the t3 units.
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On June 06 2013 20:17 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 20:17 Bowzar wrote:On June 06 2013 20:10 DrPandaPhD wrote:On June 06 2013 20:09 Fusilero wrote:On June 06 2013 20:05 Shellshock1122 wrote:On June 06 2013 20:04 sitromit wrote:On June 06 2013 20:02 Shellshock1122 wrote:On June 06 2013 20:01 Scribble wrote:On June 06 2013 19:59 Grumbels wrote:On June 06 2013 19:56 Laryleprakon wrote:
Hopefully Prime can come back or their players end up on good teams. All their players are slumping and they only have four good players left. I think at this point the Korean scene would benefit from Prime and NsH disbanding to be honest. Proleague can use some good terran players in any case. Who would benefit from Prime or NsH disbanding? the players that could go to better teams with a better environment and have a chance to be relevant in sc2 That would also mean the death of GSTL though. To be honest I don't know how much of a future GSTL has at this point anyway. I would prefer to see a consolidated team league but I dont really know how that would work with the politics behind it Disband GSTL, AZUBU/StarTale/IM/MVP into proleague, prime and hoseo players available as mercenaries for teams. Hey FXO : ( Also team MVP seem to struggle with money as well They have like 4 LoL teams and they can also afford to send players to foreign events, they are fine and have money somehow. they actually can't send players to foreign events haha
What? DRG is coming to Dreamhack Summer and they have two players in WCS EU.
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On June 06 2013 20:17 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 20:17 Bowzar wrote:On June 06 2013 20:10 DrPandaPhD wrote:On June 06 2013 20:09 Fusilero wrote:On June 06 2013 20:05 Shellshock1122 wrote:On June 06 2013 20:04 sitromit wrote:On June 06 2013 20:02 Shellshock1122 wrote:On June 06 2013 20:01 Scribble wrote:On June 06 2013 19:59 Grumbels wrote:On June 06 2013 19:56 Laryleprakon wrote:
Hopefully Prime can come back or their players end up on good teams. All their players are slumping and they only have four good players left. I think at this point the Korean scene would benefit from Prime and NsH disbanding to be honest. Proleague can use some good terran players in any case. Who would benefit from Prime or NsH disbanding? the players that could go to better teams with a better environment and have a chance to be relevant in sc2 That would also mean the death of GSTL though. To be honest I don't know how much of a future GSTL has at this point anyway. I would prefer to see a consolidated team league but I dont really know how that would work with the politics behind it Disband GSTL, AZUBU/StarTale/IM/MVP into proleague, prime and hoseo players available as mercenaries for teams. Hey FXO : ( Also team MVP seem to struggle with money as well They have like 4 LoL teams and they can also afford to send players to foreign events, they are fine and have money somehow. they actually can't send players to foreign events haha
Isn't DRG going to DH ?
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On June 06 2013 20:19 Bowzar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 20:17 opterown wrote:On June 06 2013 20:17 Bowzar wrote:On June 06 2013 20:10 DrPandaPhD wrote:On June 06 2013 20:09 Fusilero wrote:On June 06 2013 20:05 Shellshock1122 wrote:On June 06 2013 20:04 sitromit wrote:On June 06 2013 20:02 Shellshock1122 wrote:On June 06 2013 20:01 Scribble wrote:On June 06 2013 19:59 Grumbels wrote:
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All their players are slumping and they only have four good players left. I think at this point the Korean scene would benefit from Prime and NsH disbanding to be honest. Proleague can use some good terran players in any case. Who would benefit from Prime or NsH disbanding? the players that could go to better teams with a better environment and have a chance to be relevant in sc2 That would also mean the death of GSTL though. To be honest I don't know how much of a future GSTL has at this point anyway. I would prefer to see a consolidated team league but I dont really know how that would work with the politics behind it Disband GSTL, AZUBU/StarTale/IM/MVP into proleague, prime and hoseo players available as mercenaries for teams. Hey FXO : ( Also team MVP seem to struggle with money as well They have like 4 LoL teams and they can also afford to send players to foreign events, they are fine and have money somehow. they actually can't send players to foreign events haha What? DRG is coming to Dreamhack Summer and they have two players in WCS EU.
On June 06 2013 20:19 Laryleprakon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 20:17 opterown wrote:On June 06 2013 20:17 Bowzar wrote:On June 06 2013 20:10 DrPandaPhD wrote:On June 06 2013 20:09 Fusilero wrote:On June 06 2013 20:05 Shellshock1122 wrote:On June 06 2013 20:04 sitromit wrote:On June 06 2013 20:02 Shellshock1122 wrote:On June 06 2013 20:01 Scribble wrote:On June 06 2013 19:59 Grumbels wrote:
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All their players are slumping and they only have four good players left. I think at this point the Korean scene would benefit from Prime and NsH disbanding to be honest. Proleague can use some good terran players in any case. Who would benefit from Prime or NsH disbanding? the players that could go to better teams with a better environment and have a chance to be relevant in sc2 That would also mean the death of GSTL though. To be honest I don't know how much of a future GSTL has at this point anyway. I would prefer to see a consolidated team league but I dont really know how that would work with the politics behind it Disband GSTL, AZUBU/StarTale/IM/MVP into proleague, prime and hoseo players available as mercenaries for teams. Hey FXO : ( Also team MVP seem to struggle with money as well They have like 4 LoL teams and they can also afford to send players to foreign events, they are fine and have money somehow. they actually can't send players to foreign events haha Isn't DRG going to DH ?
DRG isn't going to DH, read his fanclub there's a huge fuss about it
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On June 06 2013 20:15 scypio wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 20:12 absinthfee wrote:On June 06 2013 20:09 DrPandaPhD wrote:On June 06 2013 20:07 scypio wrote:On June 06 2013 19:59 Doublemint wrote:On June 06 2013 19:56 scypio wrote:Fun fact: WCS Season 2 will be the worst season for terrans in terms of numbers since the beginning of Starcraft 2, GSL Open seasons, GSL Code S and finally WCS.
P T Z R
2010 OS 1: 27/ 21 /16
2010 OS 2: 20/ 29 /15
2010 OS 3: 12/ 24 /27 / 1
2011 January: 9/ 14 /9
2011 March: 9/ 15 /8
2011 May: 10/ 14 /8
2011 July: 9/ 15 /8
2011 August: 8/ 17 /7
2011 November: 5/ 19 /8
2012 S1: 8/ 15 /9
2012 S2: 10/ 15 /7
2012 S3: 10/ 13 /9
2012 S4: 10/ 13 /9
2012 S5: 9/ 14 /9
2013 S1: 5/ 13 /14
2013 WCS S1: 7/ 11 /14
2013 WCS S2: 10/ 8 /12, 2 NYD (but no terrans).
First I was like, yummy poetic justice - then I looked at the earlier protoss/zerg stats compared to terran. Now I don't get the funny part in it. The fun part is that we had those "hellbat OP! widow mine OP! T unbeatable!" cries since the launch of HotS. Reality check: T takes it's biggest dive in the history of SC2 and Korean premier tournaments. HotS balance aside. I think the main reason there are less terrans are because of the last WoL season being only 1 season apart from this one. Give it 1-2 more seasons and the lesser zergs will drop out and the better terrans will get back in. In my opinion there were also a lot of terran players who left to another Scene. Teaja, MVP and Ryung, who were Code S regulars come to mind. From the other races only Hero left who was in Code A. They left because they know they don't stand a chance in Korea anymore.
They left because they are on teams that can afford to send them to another region where It's easier to make money, that's all there is to it.
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