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On June 06 2013 20:07 scypio wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 19:59 Doublemint wrote:On June 06 2013 19:56 scypio wrote:Fun fact: WCS Season 2 will be the worst season for terrans in terms of numbers since the beginning of Starcraft 2, GSL Open seasons, GSL Code S and finally WCS.
P T Z R
2010 OS 1: 27/ 21 /16
2010 OS 2: 20/ 29 /15
2010 OS 3: 12/ 24 /27 / 1
2011 January: 9/ 14 /9
2011 March: 9/ 15 /8
2011 May: 10/ 14 /8
2011 July: 9/ 15 /8
2011 August: 8/ 17 /7
2011 November: 5/ 19 /8
2012 S1: 8/ 15 /9
2012 S2: 10/ 15 /7
2012 S3: 10/ 13 /9
2012 S4: 10/ 13 /9
2012 S5: 9/ 14 /9
2013 S1: 5/ 13 /14
2013 WCS S1: 7/ 11 /14
2013 WCS S2: 10/ 8 /12, 2 NYD (but no terrans).
First I was like, yummy poetic justice - then I looked at the earlier protoss/zerg stats compared to terran. Now I don't get the funny part in it. The fun part is that we had those "hellbat OP! widow mine OP! T unbeatable!" cries since the launch of HotS. Reality check: T takes it's biggest dive in the history of SC2 and Korean premier tournaments.
HotS balance aside. I think the main reason there are less terrans are because of the last WoL season being only 1 season apart from this one. Give it 1-2 more seasons and the lesser zergs will drop out and the better terrans will get back in.
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On June 06 2013 20:07 scypio wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 19:59 Doublemint wrote:On June 06 2013 19:56 scypio wrote:Fun fact: WCS Season 2 will be the worst season for terrans in terms of numbers since the beginning of Starcraft 2, GSL Open seasons, GSL Code S and finally WCS.
P T Z R
2010 OS 1: 27/ 21 /16
2010 OS 2: 20/ 29 /15
2010 OS 3: 12/ 24 /27 / 1
2011 January: 9/ 14 /9
2011 March: 9/ 15 /8
2011 May: 10/ 14 /8
2011 July: 9/ 15 /8
2011 August: 8/ 17 /7
2011 November: 5/ 19 /8
2012 S1: 8/ 15 /9
2012 S2: 10/ 15 /7
2012 S3: 10/ 13 /9
2012 S4: 10/ 13 /9
2012 S5: 9/ 14 /9
2013 S1: 5/ 13 /14
2013 WCS S1: 7/ 11 /14
2013 WCS S2: 10/ 8 /12, 2 NYD (but no terrans).
First I was like, yummy poetic justice - then I looked at the earlier protoss/zerg stats compared to terran. Now I don't get the funny part in it. The fun part is that we had those "hellbat OP! widow mine OP! T unbeatable!" cries since the launch of HotS. Reality check: T takes it's biggest dive in the history of SC2 and Korean premier tournaments.
The casuals cry, the pros dont have time for silly whining. They practice and beat what seemed strong.
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On June 06 2013 20:05 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 20:04 sitromit wrote:On June 06 2013 20:02 Shellshock1122 wrote:On June 06 2013 20:01 Scribble wrote:On June 06 2013 19:59 Grumbels wrote:On June 06 2013 19:56 Laryleprakon wrote:
Hopefully Prime can come back or their players end up on good teams. All their players are slumping and they only have four good players left. I think at this point the Korean scene would benefit from Prime and NsH disbanding to be honest. Proleague can use some good terran players in any case. Who would benefit from Prime or NsH disbanding? the players that could go to better teams with a better environment and have a chance to be relevant in sc2 That would also mean the death of GSTL though. To be honest I don't know how much of a future GSTL has at this point anyway. I would prefer to see a consolidated team league but I dont really know how that would work with the politics behind it
Disband GSTL, AZUBU/StarTale/IM/MVP into proleague, prime and hoseo players available as mercenaries for teams.
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On June 06 2013 20:07 scypio wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 19:59 Doublemint wrote:On June 06 2013 19:56 scypio wrote:Fun fact: WCS Season 2 will be the worst season for terrans in terms of numbers since the beginning of Starcraft 2, GSL Open seasons, GSL Code S and finally WCS.
P T Z R
2010 OS 1: 27/ 21 /16
2010 OS 2: 20/ 29 /15
2010 OS 3: 12/ 24 /27 / 1
2011 January: 9/ 14 /9
2011 March: 9/ 15 /8
2011 May: 10/ 14 /8
2011 July: 9/ 15 /8
2011 August: 8/ 17 /7
2011 November: 5/ 19 /8
2012 S1: 8/ 15 /9
2012 S2: 10/ 15 /7
2012 S3: 10/ 13 /9
2012 S4: 10/ 13 /9
2012 S5: 9/ 14 /9
2013 S1: 5/ 13 /14
2013 WCS S1: 7/ 11 /14
2013 WCS S2: 10/ 8 /12, 2 NYD (but no terrans).
First I was like, yummy poetic justice - then I looked at the earlier protoss/zerg stats compared to terran. Now I don't get the funny part in it. The fun part is that we had those "hellbat OP! widow mine OP! T unbeatable!" cries since the launch of HotS. Reality check: T takes it's biggest dive in the history of SC2 and Korean premier tournaments.
Poor Terrans .. Only dominated 2 years of Starcraft 
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On June 06 2013 20:09 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 20:05 Shellshock1122 wrote:On June 06 2013 20:04 sitromit wrote:On June 06 2013 20:02 Shellshock1122 wrote:On June 06 2013 20:01 Scribble wrote:On June 06 2013 19:59 Grumbels wrote:On June 06 2013 19:56 Laryleprakon wrote:
Hopefully Prime can come back or their players end up on good teams. All their players are slumping and they only have four good players left. I think at this point the Korean scene would benefit from Prime and NsH disbanding to be honest. Proleague can use some good terran players in any case. Who would benefit from Prime or NsH disbanding? the players that could go to better teams with a better environment and have a chance to be relevant in sc2 That would also mean the death of GSTL though. To be honest I don't know how much of a future GSTL has at this point anyway. I would prefer to see a consolidated team league but I dont really know how that would work with the politics behind it Disband GSTL, AZUBU/StarTale/IM/MVP into proleague, prime and hoseo players available as mercenaries for teams.
Hey FXO : (
Also team MVP seem to struggle with money as well
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On June 06 2013 20:09 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 20:05 Shellshock1122 wrote:On June 06 2013 20:04 sitromit wrote:On June 06 2013 20:02 Shellshock1122 wrote:On June 06 2013 20:01 Scribble wrote:On June 06 2013 19:59 Grumbels wrote:On June 06 2013 19:56 Laryleprakon wrote:
Hopefully Prime can come back or their players end up on good teams. All their players are slumping and they only have four good players left. I think at this point the Korean scene would benefit from Prime and NsH disbanding to be honest. Proleague can use some good terran players in any case. Who would benefit from Prime or NsH disbanding? the players that could go to better teams with a better environment and have a chance to be relevant in sc2 That would also mean the death of GSTL though. To be honest I don't know how much of a future GSTL has at this point anyway. I would prefer to see a consolidated team league but I dont really know how that would work with the politics behind it Disband GSTL, AZUBU/StarTale/IM/MVP into proleague, prime and hoseo players available as mercenaries for teams.
If that ever happens I wonder if they keep T8
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On June 06 2013 20:06 Shellshock1122 wrote:0:00  ParalyzE spawns in the bottom left  EffOrt spawns in the top left
2:00
hatch first for EffOrt
Nexus first for Paralyze
pool for EffOrt
forge for Paralyze in main
gas for EffOrt
3:00
gateway for Paralyze
double gas for Paralyze
cannon for Paralyze
4:00
ling speed for EffOrt
Cybernetics core for Paralyze
zealot for Paralyze
5:00
Paralyze probe scouting and sees no 3rd yet
Stargate for Paralyze
double evo for EffOrt
2 more gas for Paralyze
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On June 06 2013 20:07 scypio wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 19:59 Doublemint wrote:On June 06 2013 19:56 scypio wrote:Fun fact: WCS Season 2 will be the worst season for terrans in terms of numbers since the beginning of Starcraft 2, GSL Open seasons, GSL Code S and finally WCS.
P T Z R
2010 OS 1: 27/ 21 /16
2010 OS 2: 20/ 29 /15
2010 OS 3: 12/ 24 /27 / 1
2011 January: 9/ 14 /9
2011 March: 9/ 15 /8
2011 May: 10/ 14 /8
2011 July: 9/ 15 /8
2011 August: 8/ 17 /7
2011 November: 5/ 19 /8
2012 S1: 8/ 15 /9
2012 S2: 10/ 15 /7
2012 S3: 10/ 13 /9
2012 S4: 10/ 13 /9
2012 S5: 9/ 14 /9
2013 S1: 5/ 13 /14
2013 WCS S1: 7/ 11 /14
2013 WCS S2: 10/ 8 /12, 2 NYD (but no terrans).
First I was like, yummy poetic justice - then I looked at the earlier protoss/zerg stats compared to terran. Now I don't get the funny part in it. The fun part is that we had those "hellbat OP! widow mine OP! T unbeatable!" cries since the launch of HotS. Reality check: T takes it's biggest dive in the history of SC2 and Korean premier tournaments.
"Voidray too stronk, oracles are a joke..." People moaning and bitching about balance? Must be the first time ever in SC history.
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On June 06 2013 20:07 scypio wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 19:59 Doublemint wrote:On June 06 2013 19:56 scypio wrote:Fun fact: WCS Season 2 will be the worst season for terrans in terms of numbers since the beginning of Starcraft 2, GSL Open seasons, GSL Code S and finally WCS.
P T Z R
2010 OS 1: 27/ 21 /16
2010 OS 2: 20/ 29 /15
2010 OS 3: 12/ 24 /27 / 1
2011 January: 9/ 14 /9
2011 March: 9/ 15 /8
2011 May: 10/ 14 /8
2011 July: 9/ 15 /8
2011 August: 8/ 17 /7
2011 November: 5/ 19 /8
2012 S1: 8/ 15 /9
2012 S2: 10/ 15 /7
2012 S3: 10/ 13 /9
2012 S4: 10/ 13 /9
2012 S5: 9/ 14 /9
2013 S1: 5/ 13 /14
2013 WCS S1: 7/ 11 /14
2013 WCS S2: 10/ 8 /12, 2 NYD (but no terrans).
First I was like, yummy poetic justice - then I looked at the earlier protoss/zerg stats compared to terran. Now I don't get the funny part in it. The fun part is that we had those "hellbat OP! widow mine OP! T unbeatable!" cries since the launch of HotS. Reality check: T takes it's biggest dive in the history of SC2 and Korean premier tournaments.
I think a lot of it is the influx of kespa players, most of the good ones being protoss or zerg, not terran.
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On June 06 2013 19:36 atasje wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 19:33 Bahajinbo wrote:
Damn, great music choice when showing the players - some Arsis is always nice. :D
And gg, the recall was game deciding. what was the song? Smth from Unwelcome?
Yeah, it was from Unwelcome.
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On June 06 2013 20:09 Swiipii wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 20:07 scypio wrote:On June 06 2013 19:59 Doublemint wrote:On June 06 2013 19:56 scypio wrote:Fun fact: WCS Season 2 will be the worst season for terrans in terms of numbers since the beginning of Starcraft 2, GSL Open seasons, GSL Code S and finally WCS.
P T Z R
2010 OS 1: 27/ 21 /16
2010 OS 2: 20/ 29 /15
2010 OS 3: 12/ 24 /27 / 1
2011 January: 9/ 14 /9
2011 March: 9/ 15 /8
2011 May: 10/ 14 /8
2011 July: 9/ 15 /8
2011 August: 8/ 17 /7
2011 November: 5/ 19 /8
2012 S1: 8/ 15 /9
2012 S2: 10/ 15 /7
2012 S3: 10/ 13 /9
2012 S4: 10/ 13 /9
2012 S5: 9/ 14 /9
2013 S1: 5/ 13 /14
2013 WCS S1: 7/ 11 /14
2013 WCS S2: 10/ 8 /12, 2 NYD (but no terrans).
First I was like, yummy poetic justice - then I looked at the earlier protoss/zerg stats compared to terran. Now I don't get the funny part in it. The fun part is that we had those "hellbat OP! widow mine OP! T unbeatable!" cries since the launch of HotS. Reality check: T takes it's biggest dive in the history of SC2 and Korean premier tournaments. Poor Terrans .. Only dominated 2 years of Starcraft
They didn't so well in 2012
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On June 06 2013 20:10 Laryleprakon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 20:09 Fusilero wrote:On June 06 2013 20:05 Shellshock1122 wrote:On June 06 2013 20:04 sitromit wrote:On June 06 2013 20:02 Shellshock1122 wrote:On June 06 2013 20:01 Scribble wrote:On June 06 2013 19:59 Grumbels wrote:On June 06 2013 19:56 Laryleprakon wrote:
Hopefully Prime can come back or their players end up on good teams. All their players are slumping and they only have four good players left. I think at this point the Korean scene would benefit from Prime and NsH disbanding to be honest. Proleague can use some good terran players in any case. Who would benefit from Prime or NsH disbanding? the players that could go to better teams with a better environment and have a chance to be relevant in sc2 That would also mean the death of GSTL though. To be honest I don't know how much of a future GSTL has at this point anyway. I would prefer to see a consolidated team league but I dont really know how that would work with the politics behind it Disband GSTL, AZUBU/StarTale/IM/MVP into proleague, prime and hoseo players available as mercenaries for teams. If that ever happens I wonder if they keep T8
Team 8 merge with prime/hoseo to form "We have no fucking money" squad.
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On June 06 2013 20:07 scypio wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 19:59 Doublemint wrote:On June 06 2013 19:56 scypio wrote:Fun fact: WCS Season 2 will be the worst season for terrans in terms of numbers since the beginning of Starcraft 2, GSL Open seasons, GSL Code S and finally WCS.
P T Z R
2010 OS 1: 27/ 21 /16
2010 OS 2: 20/ 29 /15
2010 OS 3: 12/ 24 /27 / 1
2011 January: 9/ 14 /9
2011 March: 9/ 15 /8
2011 May: 10/ 14 /8
2011 July: 9/ 15 /8
2011 August: 8/ 17 /7
2011 November: 5/ 19 /8
2012 S1: 8/ 15 /9
2012 S2: 10/ 15 /7
2012 S3: 10/ 13 /9
2012 S4: 10/ 13 /9
2012 S5: 9/ 14 /9
2013 S1: 5/ 13 /14
2013 WCS S1: 7/ 11 /14
2013 WCS S2: 10/ 8 /12, 2 NYD (but no terrans).
First I was like, yummy poetic justice - then I looked at the earlier protoss/zerg stats compared to terran. Now I don't get the funny part in it. The fun part is that we had those "hellbat OP! widow mine OP! T unbeatable!" cries since the launch of HotS. Reality check: T takes it's biggest dive in the history of SC2 and Korean premier tournaments.
Life winning MLG and then complaining about Terrans being too strong. I felt like slapping him.
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On June 06 2013 20:09 DrPandaPhD wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 20:07 scypio wrote:On June 06 2013 19:59 Doublemint wrote:On June 06 2013 19:56 scypio wrote:Fun fact: WCS Season 2 will be the worst season for terrans in terms of numbers since the beginning of Starcraft 2, GSL Open seasons, GSL Code S and finally WCS.
P T Z R
2010 OS 1: 27/ 21 /16
2010 OS 2: 20/ 29 /15
2010 OS 3: 12/ 24 /27 / 1
2011 January: 9/ 14 /9
2011 March: 9/ 15 /8
2011 May: 10/ 14 /8
2011 July: 9/ 15 /8
2011 August: 8/ 17 /7
2011 November: 5/ 19 /8
2012 S1: 8/ 15 /9
2012 S2: 10/ 15 /7
2012 S3: 10/ 13 /9
2012 S4: 10/ 13 /9
2012 S5: 9/ 14 /9
2013 S1: 5/ 13 /14
2013 WCS S1: 7/ 11 /14
2013 WCS S2: 10/ 8 /12, 2 NYD (but no terrans).
First I was like, yummy poetic justice - then I looked at the earlier protoss/zerg stats compared to terran. Now I don't get the funny part in it. The fun part is that we had those "hellbat OP! widow mine OP! T unbeatable!" cries since the launch of HotS. Reality check: T takes it's biggest dive in the history of SC2 and Korean premier tournaments. HotS balance aside. I think the main reason there are less terrans are because of the last WoL season being only 1 season apart from this one. Give it 1-2 more seasons and the lesser zergs will drop out and the better terrans will get back in.
In my opinion there were also a lot of terran players who left to another Scene.
Teaja, MVP and Ryung, who were Code S regulars come to mind.
From the other races only Hero left who was in Code A.
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On June 06 2013 19:59 Doublemint wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 19:56 scypio wrote:Fun fact: WCS Season 2 will be the worst season for terrans in terms of numbers since the beginning of Starcraft 2, GSL Open seasons, GSL Code S and finally WCS.
P T Z R
2010 OS 1: 27/ 21 /16
2010 OS 2: 20/ 29 /15
2010 OS 3: 12/ 24 /27 / 1
2011 January: 9/ 14 /9
2011 March: 9/ 15 /8
2011 May: 10/ 14 /8
2011 July: 9/ 15 /8
2011 August: 8/ 17 /7
2011 November: 5/ 19 /8
2012 S1: 8/ 15 /9
2012 S2: 10/ 15 /7
2012 S3: 10/ 13 /9
2012 S4: 10/ 13 /9
2012 S5: 9/ 14 /9
2013 S1: 5/ 13 /14
2013 WCS S1: 7/ 11 /14
2013 WCS S2: 10/ 8 /12, 2 NYD (but no terrans).
First I was like, yummy poetic justice - then I looked at the earlier protoss/zerg stats compared to terran. Now I don't get the funny part in it.
Except for open seasons, this history isn't even counting code A+S which would be even better for terrans actually. They can be the smaller number for quite some time before the overall numbers get even close.
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On June 06 2013 20:06 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 20:04 sitromit wrote:On June 06 2013 20:02 Shellshock1122 wrote:On June 06 2013 20:01 Scribble wrote:On June 06 2013 19:59 Grumbels wrote:On June 06 2013 19:56 Laryleprakon wrote:
Hopefully Prime can come back or their players end up on good teams. All their players are slumping and they only have four good players left. I think at this point the Korean scene would benefit from Prime and NsH disbanding to be honest. Proleague can use some good terran players in any case. Who would benefit from Prime or NsH disbanding? the players that could go to better teams with a better environment and have a chance to be relevant in sc2 That would also mean the death of GSTL though. To be honest I don't know how much of a future GSTL has at this point anyway. GSTL is starting to become irrelevant because of how infrequent the broadcasts are anyway, It's about x10 easier to catch a Proleague match since it airs 7 matches a week nearly every week instead of two matches a week skipping a lot of weeks.
Also Bo7 all-kill format is fucking terrible. I think they chose that so teams like Axiom-Acer, Prime and NSH could stand a chance.
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On June 06 2013 20:06 isaachukfan wrote:
MKP, Byun, and Maru would be a nice addition to the ranks of terrans in Proleague.
I hear SKT wants MKP.
Source?
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On June 06 2013 20:13 ZenithM wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 20:06 isaachukfan wrote:
MKP, Byun, and Maru would be a nice addition to the ranks of terrans in Proleague.
I hear SKT wants MKP. Source?
Bisu wants fashion advice from MKP
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I never understood this 2 base/slow3rd for ultras. What's the benefit?
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On June 06 2013 20:13 ZenithM wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 20:06 isaachukfan wrote:
MKP, Byun, and Maru would be a nice addition to the ranks of terrans in Proleague.
I hear SKT wants MKP. Source?
SKTT1MK
catchy
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