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Frazzlehoon
Profile Joined July 2008
United States3455 Posts
May 31 2013 05:10 GMT
#201
Lets go Flash, 4-0!
plogamer
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada3132 Posts
May 31 2013 05:10 GMT
#202
Flash placed the widowmine further behind the wall because he knew it was gonna get busted. Beautiful in-game prediction.
Maghetti
Profile Joined May 2008
United States2429 Posts
May 31 2013 05:10 GMT
#203
Flash said he is most comfortable when he is the ace and since they sent him out first be decided to make himself the final KT player to play anyways.
NicksonReyes
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Philippines4431 Posts
May 31 2013 05:11 GMT
#204
On May 31 2013 13:58 pylonsalad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2013 13:52 NicksonReyes wrote:
On May 31 2013 13:49 pylonsalad wrote:
You can scout the hellbat drop. You can prepare defence for it. You can have units in place. And the hellbats and medivac will still just boost in, eat up all the shots, and still do enough damage to make it worth the cost. THAT is the thing that is so unbalanced about it. And in every matchup.

4 probes isn't worth 2 hellbats and a medivac. You scout and react to them and they lose efficiency. What won Flash the game was the robo snipe which delayed the 2nd and 3rd colo(which Bong didn't even get to remake before the game ended) and catching the protoss army out in the open. Even the widow mine drops + reapers were more efficient than the hellbat drops.


He was down 17 probes for 4 hellbats, 2 medivacs, and 2 mines that didnt kill anything. Did you see the unit count when the robo snipe happened? Flash had huge lead before the robo snipe and he would have won even if he just sat back and macro'd instead of going for the cute bio drop.

Well my mistake. I shouldn't have said that the hellbat drops didn't do anything. Anyway, I was mainly responding to
On May 31 2013 13:49 pylonsalad wrote:
You can scout the hellbat drop. You can prepare defence for it. You can have units in place. And the hellbats and medivac will still just boost in, eat up all the shots, and still do enough damage to make it worth the cost. THAT is the thing that is so unbalanced about it. And in every matchup.

which happened but wasn't worth the cost. The 1st hellbat drop did the most damage because of the mine and the reapers still being in bong's natural, which made bong send all of his units away from his main. That one was not scouted nor prepared for.
"Start yo" -FlaSh
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
May 31 2013 05:11 GMT
#205
On May 31 2013 14:09 SoFrOsTy wrote:
Anyone else actually feel bad for the people that have to play against Flash and Innovation these days?

Also, is it just me or every time Flash loses, he comes back like 2x better the very next week.

not you lol. During Code S, when Flash went out of the group to both Innovation 2-1 and Parting 2-0, he wasn't happy. I recall reading he went straight home and practiced then next time against Innovation, he handed him a loss XD
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Alabasern
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4005 Posts
May 31 2013 05:11 GMT
#206
On May 31 2013 14:07 aNGryaRchon wrote:
counter of death


Big risk going for the bust, big loss hit by the counter!
Support your esport!
Pasargadae
Profile Joined March 2012
Korea (South)173 Posts
May 31 2013 05:12 GMT
#207
Did anyone see Hydra's fingers when they put the camera on him? Insane.
Foxxan
Profile Joined October 2004
Sweden3427 Posts
May 31 2013 05:13 GMT
#208
On May 31 2013 14:11 NicksonReyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2013 13:58 pylonsalad wrote:
On May 31 2013 13:52 NicksonReyes wrote:
On May 31 2013 13:49 pylonsalad wrote:
You can scout the hellbat drop. You can prepare defence for it. You can have units in place. And the hellbats and medivac will still just boost in, eat up all the shots, and still do enough damage to make it worth the cost. THAT is the thing that is so unbalanced about it. And in every matchup.

4 probes isn't worth 2 hellbats and a medivac. You scout and react to them and they lose efficiency. What won Flash the game was the robo snipe which delayed the 2nd and 3rd colo(which Bong didn't even get to remake before the game ended) and catching the protoss army out in the open. Even the widow mine drops + reapers were more efficient than the hellbat drops.


He was down 17 probes for 4 hellbats, 2 medivacs, and 2 mines that didnt kill anything. Did you see the unit count when the robo snipe happened? Flash had huge lead before the robo snipe and he would have won even if he just sat back and macro'd instead of going for the cute bio drop.

Well my mistake. I shouldn't have said that the hellbat drops didn't do anything. Anyway, I was mainly responding to
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2013 13:49 pylonsalad wrote:
You can scout the hellbat drop. You can prepare defence for it. You can have units in place. And the hellbats and medivac will still just boost in, eat up all the shots, and still do enough damage to make it worth the cost. THAT is the thing that is so unbalanced about it. And in every matchup.

which happened but wasn't worth the cost. The 1st hellbat drop did the most damage because of the mine and the reapers still being in bong's natural, which made bong send all of his units away from his main. That one was not scouted nor prepared for.



what u seem to forget is protoss lose mining time to every single time those helblats arrives
aNGryaRchon
Profile Joined August 2012
United States438 Posts
May 31 2013 05:13 GMT
#209
On May 31 2013 14:09 RParks42 wrote:
Flash's build seemed to hard-counter that CJ ZvT build

never count effort out
Power overwhelming!!!
EpiK
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5757 Posts
May 31 2013 05:16 GMT
#210
Cmon effort, lets pull a korean air osl
evergreensc
Profile Joined December 2012
United States268 Posts
May 31 2013 05:17 GMT
#211
...am I the only one 100% confused by the CJ coaches this match? herO as the start I can understand, but Bong and Hydra before EffOrt? I get saving your ace, but against Flash of all people?
samurai80
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan4225 Posts
May 31 2013 05:18 GMT
#212
On May 31 2013 14:13 Foxxan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2013 14:11 NicksonReyes wrote:
On May 31 2013 13:58 pylonsalad wrote:
On May 31 2013 13:52 NicksonReyes wrote:
On May 31 2013 13:49 pylonsalad wrote:
You can scout the hellbat drop. You can prepare defence for it. You can have units in place. And the hellbats and medivac will still just boost in, eat up all the shots, and still do enough damage to make it worth the cost. THAT is the thing that is so unbalanced about it. And in every matchup.

4 probes isn't worth 2 hellbats and a medivac. You scout and react to them and they lose efficiency. What won Flash the game was the robo snipe which delayed the 2nd and 3rd colo(which Bong didn't even get to remake before the game ended) and catching the protoss army out in the open. Even the widow mine drops + reapers were more efficient than the hellbat drops.


He was down 17 probes for 4 hellbats, 2 medivacs, and 2 mines that didnt kill anything. Did you see the unit count when the robo snipe happened? Flash had huge lead before the robo snipe and he would have won even if he just sat back and macro'd instead of going for the cute bio drop.

Well my mistake. I shouldn't have said that the hellbat drops didn't do anything. Anyway, I was mainly responding to
On May 31 2013 13:49 pylonsalad wrote:
You can scout the hellbat drop. You can prepare defence for it. You can have units in place. And the hellbats and medivac will still just boost in, eat up all the shots, and still do enough damage to make it worth the cost. THAT is the thing that is so unbalanced about it. And in every matchup.

which happened but wasn't worth the cost. The 1st hellbat drop did the most damage because of the mine and the reapers still being in bong's natural, which made bong send all of his units away from his main. That one was not scouted nor prepared for.



what u seem to forget is protoss lose mining time to every single time those helblats arrives

This exactly. Hellbats can't be killed rapidly enough and kill probes very fast. At the very least u will lose a lot of mining time and in many cases tons of probes. The terrans take almost no risk at doing it because the hellbats usually won't die until they are able to escape with the mediboosts.
Laryleprakon
Profile Joined May 2011
New Zealand9496 Posts
May 31 2013 05:18 GMT
#213
One more game Flash!
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
May 31 2013 05:19 GMT
#214
This just in: Coach Park is like an onion
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Leporello
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2845 Posts
May 31 2013 05:19 GMT
#215
I want to see the end of these interviews. Coach Park is like an onion, how?
Big water
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
May 31 2013 05:20 GMT
#216
On May 31 2013 14:16 EpiK wrote:
Cmon effort, lets pull a korean air osl

Let's not.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Kommander
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines4950 Posts
May 31 2013 05:20 GMT
#217
On May 31 2013 14:19 Leporello wrote:
I want to see the end of these interviews. Coach Park is like an onion, how?


He makes you cry?
slam
Profile Joined May 2010
United States923 Posts
May 31 2013 05:20 GMT
#218
Effort for the reverse all-kill gogo!!!!

... it could happen.
I get it.
EpiK
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5757 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-31 05:22:43
May 31 2013 05:21 GMT
#219
On May 31 2013 14:17 evergreensc wrote:
...am I the only one 100% confused by the CJ coaches this match? herO as the start I can understand, but Bong and Hydra before EffOrt? I get saving your ace, but against Flash of all people?

Bong: tvp is flashs most inconsistent mu
Hydra: hes actually quite good and he probably had that build prepared knowing flash has lost to baneling busts in the past
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
May 31 2013 05:21 GMT
#220
On May 31 2013 14:19 Leporello wrote:
I want to see the end of these interviews. Coach Park is like an onion, how?

I dunno lol. They said in the interview that you can peel and always find something charming then best to do an interview when he's not around XD
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
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