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Pazuzu
Profile Joined July 2011
United States632 Posts
May 28 2013 16:15 GMT
#581
and as per usual, innovation is just too strong! Damn what a freakin monster
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MysteryMeat1
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States3292 Posts
May 28 2013 16:34 GMT
#582
On May 29 2013 00:05 virpi wrote:
I opened the thread in hope for innovation ownage. I was not disappointed


I did the exact same thing.
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Markwerf
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands3728 Posts
May 28 2013 16:54 GMT
#583
On May 28 2013 18:23 Vanadiel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2013 17:59 Douillos wrote:
I really don't know if ultras are really an answer to late game tvz. they open such drop potential... I really liked Stephano's +3 mutas, in WCS finals... Of course Soulkey still is on another level, but its just the transition into hive tech against a non stop flow of units is just so hard to pull offf.


You have to get some ultralisk at least to tank the sot of the mine (+queen to heal them), but I agree, if there is a solution Mutalisk is the key.


Mutalisk remain important but focussing so much on upgrades seems poor to me, they don't scale that well from upgrades anway.

I still expect the medivac to get a very tiny nerf in the future, just a slightly higher cooldown on the boost for example.
Dreamer.T
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3584 Posts
May 28 2013 17:48 GMT
#584
Jesus christ Innovation. I'm getting nervous about the finals now, I hope he doesn't suddenly run out of steam during that time. He's currently looking like Flash during his prime in BW.
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Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
May 28 2013 18:30 GMT
#585
no vods for sk vs innovation yet?
but great that we really got to see this matchup.
"What am I supposed to do against this?" - "Lose!" :-]
EpiK
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5757 Posts
May 28 2013 19:12 GMT
#586
On May 29 2013 02:48 Dreamer.T wrote:
Jesus christ Innovation. I'm getting nervous about the finals now, I hope he doesn't suddenly run out of steam during that time. He's currently looking like Flash during his prime in BW.

how can you make that comparison? Two completely different games and styles.
jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
May 28 2013 19:16 GMT
#587
On May 29 2013 04:12 EpiK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2013 02:48 Dreamer.T wrote:
Jesus christ Innovation. I'm getting nervous about the finals now, I hope he doesn't suddenly run out of steam during that time. He's currently looking like Flash during his prime in BW.

how can you make that comparison? Two completely different games and styles.


and time period...but i'm kinda confused

now amount of sc2 games played in a span of a year is like 3x of bw, does 6 months of sc2 domination = 1 year of bw domination? how do we compare?

flash dominated for years...no one has done this in sc2, mvp being closest but not really
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ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-28 19:34:28
May 28 2013 19:33 GMT
#588
Just watched Innovation vs Soulkey. I must say that it felt very difficult for Soulkey to win straight up against Innovation in "throw unlimited waves of bio-mines at you" mode. I was impressed by Soulkey's multitasking, macro and all that, he didn't make very many mistakes (maybe that ultra den placement? probably quite key actually :/), but it didn't feel like Innovation was in danger at any point in the game.
Soulkey will probably have to prepare some more trick builds to win the finals and not rely exclusively on straight up macro muta-banes.

On another note, Blizzard really did a great job with the matchup, it's very cool to watch, it's dynamic, multitask and micro based, regardless of balance. I don't think many Terrans can do what Innovation is doing anyway (Flash for example does it too, but less well :D), but not many Zergs can defend like Soulkey either, so I don't really know where the matchup is right now balance-wise :/

Edit: Oh, and obviously, Innovation is a god. Forgot the obligatory mention. What a player :D
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
May 28 2013 19:42 GMT
#589
On May 29 2013 04:16 jinorazi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2013 04:12 EpiK wrote:
On May 29 2013 02:48 Dreamer.T wrote:
Jesus christ Innovation. I'm getting nervous about the finals now, I hope he doesn't suddenly run out of steam during that time. He's currently looking like Flash during his prime in BW.

how can you make that comparison? Two completely different games and styles.


and time period...but i'm kinda confused

now amount of sc2 games played in a span of a year is like 3x of bw, does 6 months of sc2 domination = 1 year of bw domination? how do we compare?

flash dominated for years...no one has done this in sc2, mvp being closest but not really


This is actually a fair point. With Proleague and regular WCS seasons on top of possible foreign events (MLG for KeSPA players, MLG + everything else for non-KeSPA players), there are a whole lot more games to play for the players, and much more material to study for their opponents. People say SC2 is much more volatile than BW, and the scene has certainly been, but I feel inclined to believe the sheer volume of games played for top players is a major factor, as well.
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LighT.
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4501 Posts
May 28 2013 19:54 GMT
#590
I doubt SK vs Innovation would be a roll over. Very close series.
Why?
A PL game means absolutely nothing.
I recall the match CJ vs KT, where Flash completely rolled effOrt and his entire team and people were claiming that this was going to be an easy win for Flash, well he lost 3-2.

Innovation has an incredible TvZ, but I'm sure there's holes within his match up.
WJS has pretty good TvZers for SK to practice with including Light who was a tvz specialist in bw.
That being said, I still feel Innovation takes it.
Marshall_D
Profile Joined November 2008
United States196 Posts
May 28 2013 20:07 GMT
#591
to be fair, effort exploited flash's early MM movements with large early ling pressure. if they played the series again the day after flash would have 3-0'd because you can't use the same trick against flash twice.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
May 28 2013 20:29 GMT
#592
The things people say.
Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-28 20:41:15
May 28 2013 20:41 GMT
#593
On May 29 2013 05:07 Marshall_D wrote:
to be fair, effort exploited flash's early MM movements with large early ling pressure. if they played the series again the day after flash would have 3-0'd because you can't use the same trick against flash twice.

this. and flash basically destroyed his own momentum, not effort. flash won the first two matches in which he obliterated effort. then, for whatever reason (you know, god moves in mysterious ways...), he went for stupid gimmicky all-in builds in games 3 and 4, which effort could handle easily. therefore, flash brought himself into the position in which one single mistake can cost the title - and that is what happened.
"What am I supposed to do against this?" - "Lose!" :-]
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5617 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-28 21:16:18
May 28 2013 21:16 GMT
#594
So, was that the two best players in the world playing in the last set?
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ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
May 28 2013 21:54 GMT
#595
On May 29 2013 06:16 Elroi wrote:
So, was that the two best players in the world playing in the last set?

Why, are you disappointed? :D
If so your standards are too high for this game I fear :/
Drazzzt
Profile Joined September 2002
Germany999 Posts
May 28 2013 22:30 GMT
#596
Innovation vs Soulkey was really sweet. But IMHO Soulkey needs a few infestors in his mix of units to become more cost effective and to probably reduce medivac count. The latter got totally out of hand which was the beginning of his downfall.
There seems room of improvement in this MU which is no surprise after such a short time playing HotS
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Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5617 Posts
May 28 2013 23:34 GMT
#597
On May 29 2013 06:54 ZenithM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2013 06:16 Elroi wrote:
So, was that the two best players in the world playing in the last set?

Why, are you disappointed? :D
If so your standards are too high for this game I fear :/

I was actually amazed by that game, that's why I was asking if you thought, as I do, that these are the two best players in the world now. :D
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
juicyjames *
Profile Joined August 2011
United States3815 Posts
May 28 2013 23:36 GMT
#598
On May 29 2013 03:30 Black Gun wrote:
no vods for sk vs innovation yet?
but great that we really got to see this matchup.

If you didn't find them yet.

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snakeeyez
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1231 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-28 23:41:06
May 28 2013 23:39 GMT
#599
Soulkey played that as well as anyone could have. He had plenty of chances where this game could easily of went his way it was pretty close. Terran is just too cost efficient and can spread you and pick you apart if terran is that good.
Innovation is good at using mauraders to soak up banelings and his splitting is pretty good which turns all those fights in his favor combined with good widow mine usage.
Soulkey innovation game looked good both players evenly matched
theMagus
Profile Joined February 2013
578 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-29 01:29:03
May 29 2013 01:02 GMT
#600
i'm honestly getting a little bored with innovation cause he plays the same style all the time, even in tvt. i wanna see him do slow mech pushes for once

more edit: can anybody link a vod of inno actually playing mech? i don't remember a single game where he did and it would be very much appreciated
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