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On May 29 2013 08:34 Elroi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2013 06:54 ZenithM wrote:On May 29 2013 06:16 Elroi wrote:
So, was that the two best players in the world playing in the last set? Why, are you disappointed? :D If so your standards are too high for this game I fear :/ I was actually amazed by that game, that's why I was asking if you thought, as I do, that these are the two best players in the world now. :D
I think you're absolutely right. Innovation is the best Terran and Soulkey is the best Zerg.
Rain is probably the best Protoss, though it's less clear.
As a Terran, I'm especially impressed by Innovation for how mechanically flawless he seems compared to every other Terran player we've seen in the past. A killing cyborg from the future indeed.
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Great work Innovation! He's looking so dominant right now
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On May 29 2013 10:34 ZenithM wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2013 08:34 Elroi wrote:On May 29 2013 06:54 ZenithM wrote:On May 29 2013 06:16 Elroi wrote:
So, was that the two best players in the world playing in the last set? Why, are you disappointed? :D If so your standards are too high for this game I fear :/ I was actually amazed by that game, that's why I was asking if you thought, as I do, that these are the two best players in the world now. :D I think you're absolutely right. Innovation is the best Terran and Soulkey is the best Zerg. Rain is probably the best Protoss, though it's less clear. As a Terran, I'm especially impressed by Innovation for how mechanically flawless he seems compared to every other Terran player we've seen in the past. A killing cyborg from the future indeed.
as a kespa fan, i still wouldn't count out life as a contender for best zerg. i think he could've easily advanced from the group of death. he just chose the wrong strategies that day.
as for innovation being best terran, tvz and and maybe tvp perhaps, but i'm not impressed by his tvt at all. i have more respect for ryung's and taeja's tvt until i am shown otherwise. but yeah, those two match ups make him the terran with the best results at this point. as a kespa fan 
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On May 29 2013 10:34 ZenithM wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2013 08:34 Elroi wrote:On May 29 2013 06:54 ZenithM wrote:On May 29 2013 06:16 Elroi wrote:
So, was that the two best players in the world playing in the last set? Why, are you disappointed? :D If so your standards are too high for this game I fear :/ I was actually amazed by that game, that's why I was asking if you thought, as I do, that these are the two best players in the world now. :D I think you're absolutely right. Innovation is the best Terran and Soulkey is the best Zerg. Rain is probably the best Protoss, though it's less clear. As a Terran, I'm especially impressed by Innovation for how mechanically flawless he seems compared to every other Terran player we've seen in the past. A killing cyborg from the future indeed.
Innovation has the best mechanics and multitask of any player right now. Basically he just uses that to blunt force trauma his opponent's to death. So far it hasn't even been very close. He does mostly the same things every game--players know what Innovation is going to do--yet he still rolls over everyone. I know people thought that it would be impossible for players to use mechanics alone to overcome opponents like in BW, but Innovation is showing that it is indeed possible.
The only thing about him that is worrying is that he hasn't shown that much strategic diversity or magical game sense, because he hasn't had to. Once people catch up with his mechanics, will he still be as strong a player?
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On May 29 2013 04:12 EpiK wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2013 02:48 Dreamer.T wrote:
Jesus christ Innovation. I'm getting nervous about the finals now, I hope he doesn't suddenly run out of steam during that time. He's currently looking like Flash during his prime in BW. how can you make that comparison? Two completely different games and styles.
The fact that the two are dominating, and both play amazing macro games.
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On May 29 2013 10:02 theMagus wrote:i'm honestly getting a little bored with innovation cause he plays the same style all the time, even in tvt. i wanna see him do slow mech pushes for once  more edit: can anybody link a vod of inno actually playing mech? i don't remember a single game where he did and it would be very much appreciated
the god's play involved and required super multi-tasking capability.
this is the type of game we love to watch. multi drops multi tasking.
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yeah but its tricky and I think even innovation still relies on some luck. If those mutas happen to get a few of those drop ships the game turns over to soulkey. Innovation seems to know where the mutas are at so he drops many places knowing the mutas can never stop them all. A big key though is soulkey has to be cost efficient on baneling hits you cant waste them. Soulkey had chances to kill more scvs then he got.
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On May 29 2013 10:58 Kim Hyuna wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2013 10:02 theMagus wrote:i'm honestly getting a little bored with innovation cause he plays the same style all the time, even in tvt. i wanna see him do slow mech pushes for once more edit: can anybody link a vod of inno actually playing mech? i don't remember a single game where he did and it would be very much appreciated the god's play involved and required super multi-tasking capability. this is the type of game we love to watch. multi drops multi tasking.
if you wanna see super multi-tasking, watch broodwar lol
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On May 29 2013 11:09 snakeeyez wrote:
yeah but its tricky and I think even innovation still relies on some luck. If those mutas happen to get a few of those drop ships the game turns over to soulkey. Innovation seems to know where the mutas are at so he drops many places knowing the mutas can never stop them all. A big key though is soulkey has to be cost efficient on baneling hits you cant waste them. Soulkey had chances to kill more scvs then he got.
Soulkey botched a lot of runbys, especially in the mid game. He used maybe 12 banelings each time, which is 300 gas each time. He had about 4 failed baneling runbys iirc, maybe more. That money could have been a faster hive, more mutas, or more ultras. Against Innovation you can't waste money like that without getting a good return.
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Exactly. Soulkey had his chances, and even missing those I really thought he played a strong game the whole way through. He certainly did not look like inferior to innovation until the very end.
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Finally got around to watching Innovation vs SK. Great game. SK looked like he was in a commanding lead because he was up in bases, took out Innovation's third keeping all his mutas alive and then had his 5th I believe. He was at hive already, max upgrades and then he fell apart. Innovation just kept picking him apart. I think what I like about Innovation play is how he's aggressive once he gets his macro going. You constantly see him engage the opponent even when his army is inferior in supply but he almost always manages good trades and his splits are amazing as well. Even when he looks down and out, he still keeps it up. I think SK still has a chance come GSL finals this Saturday but Innovation won't be a walk in the park. Innovation seems to rely on macro and constant aggression so if SK can keep on trying runbys, he'll have a good chance of causing eco damage, slowing him down and possibly taking enough games to win. With all that said, GO INNOVATION GO! :D
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On May 29 2013 10:34 ZenithM wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2013 08:34 Elroi wrote:On May 29 2013 06:54 ZenithM wrote:On May 29 2013 06:16 Elroi wrote:
So, was that the two best players in the world playing in the last set? Why, are you disappointed? :D If so your standards are too high for this game I fear :/ I was actually amazed by that game, that's why I was asking if you thought, as I do, that these are the two best players in the world now. :D I think you're absolutely right. Innovation is the best Terran and Soulkey is the best Zerg. Rain is probably the best Protoss, though it's less clear. As a Terran, I'm especially impressed by Innovation for how mechanically flawless he seems compared to every other Terran player we've seen in the past. A killing cyborg from the future indeed.
Which is funny, mechanics used to be one of his weaker points. He was always known for his macro.
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Was quite an amazing game tbh. Soulkey was doing so well for quite a long time, then all of a sudden Innovation just flicked the switch and went into god mode, showing play that no other terran can match right now and then it was over a few mins later.
On that evidence, I'd still give Soulkey a slight chance in the finals, as he looked really good for most of the game, but he'll probably need to mix in and succeed with a couple of all-ins I guess.
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On May 29 2013 13:07 BigFan wrote:
Finally got around to watching Innovation vs SK. Great game. SK looked like he was in a commanding lead because he was up in bases, took out Innovation's third keeping all his mutas alive and then had his 5th I believe. He was at hive already, max upgrades and then he fell apart. Innovation just kept picking him apart. I think what I like about Innovation play is how he's aggressive once he gets his macro going. You constantly see him engage the opponent even when his army is inferior in supply but he almost always manages good trades and his splits are amazing as well. Even when he looks down and out, he still keeps it up. I think SK still has a chance come GSL finals this Saturday but Innovation won't be a walk in the park. Innovation seems to rely on macro and constant aggression so if SK can keep on trying runbys, he'll have a good chance of causing eco damage, slowing him down and possibly taking enough games to win. With all that said, GO INNOVATION GO! :D
SK was never at a commanding lead, especially if you look at the supplies. He had a slight lead due to the more bases, but his bling attacks didn't do nearly enough, and he used a ton of lings/blings to kill the 3rd when Innovation had the backup 4th.
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Innovation is definitely going to win GSL. Best Terran to date.
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What's going on with the twitch vids? There are two of them and they skip the first 14min of sOs vs Innovation.
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On May 29 2013 02:48 Dreamer.T wrote:
Jesus christ Innovation. I'm getting nervous about the finals now, I hope he doesn't suddenly run out of steam during that time. He's currently looking like Flash during his prime in BW.
Chill down a little. Don't get me wrong he's playing amazing at the moment on another level than all but the very highest tier, but there is still a lot of mistakes and sub-optimal decision making in his play compared to the level of crisp perfection that was displayed during Flash's prime.
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I can't do the OP today because it starts too late. So someone had better step up
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On May 30 2013 12:50 Emzeeshady wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2013 10:34 ZenithM wrote:On May 29 2013 08:34 Elroi wrote:On May 29 2013 06:54 ZenithM wrote:On May 29 2013 06:16 Elroi wrote:
So, was that the two best players in the world playing in the last set? Why, are you disappointed? :D If so your standards are too high for this game I fear :/ I was actually amazed by that game, that's why I was asking if you thought, as I do, that these are the two best players in the world now. :D I think you're absolutely right. Innovation is the best Terran and Soulkey is the best Zerg. Rain is probably the best Protoss, though it's less clear. As a Terran, I'm especially impressed by Innovation for how mechanically flawless he seems compared to every other Terran player we've seen in the past. A killing cyborg from the future indeed. I don't think Soulkey or Rain are the best of their race. Proleague results are hard to judge based off the fact they are BO1. Imo based off how fast the scene changes it is better to just pick three players of each race when talking about the best then just 1. ZergSoulkey Life Symbol ProtossParting Rain sOs TerranInnovation TY Flash
Roro is definitely better than Symbol.
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