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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
May 28 2013 09:04 GMT
#541
On May 28 2013 18:01 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2013 18:00 lichter wrote:
On May 28 2013 17:57 Zealously wrote:
On May 28 2013 17:56 S:klogW wrote:
Quick question? Who are the best in sc2 among exbroodwar players? What happened to early favorites like Rain and Flash


They're up there. I'd say Soulkey, Innovation, Flash, Rain and another player (RorO, sOs, Zest - one of these three, probably sOs) are the five top players on KeSPA teams currently.


Flying, goddammit


When I want someone to take out a foreigner favorite, I'd call Flying. In all other cases, I'd pick Zest and sOs over him.


But Flying is such a wacky bastard. I thought we all loved those kinds of players

I thought Zest was considered one of the PL only guys?
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insanet
Profile Joined January 2010
Peru439 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-28 09:06:54
May 28 2013 09:04 GMT
#542
On May 28 2013 18:00 Blargh wrote:
So. I do believe Soulkey will be all-inning at least 4 games in the finals. At least. He lost a macro game on the best zerg map. If Innovation plays that well in WCS finals, I think it might be pretty one-sided...

nahh, if you knew Soulkey from BW, you would knew he (almost) never cheesed , he doesnt really likes allins, in BW he was never afraid of Flash he was constantly saying he wanted to play against Flash. Even if he lose today he is no afraid of Innovation he is going full macro at the finals.
Lazzi
Profile Joined June 2011
Switzerland1923 Posts
May 28 2013 09:04 GMT
#543
On May 28 2013 18:03 S:klogW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2013 18:00 Zealously wrote:
On May 28 2013 17:58 Kommander wrote:
On May 28 2013 17:56 S:klogW wrote:
Quick question? Who are the best in sc2 among exbroodwar players? What happened to early favorites like Rain and Flash


Rain is the best KeSPA protoss, without a doubt. Flash is the second best terran right now behind Innovation. Innovation is the best KeSPA player overall as of now. Soulkey is the best KeSPA zerg.


I think sOs would like to dispute that claim. He's topped the PL rankings several times and he got to the GSL semis only losing 3-4 to another player in the series that shall never again be named

Wow that's quite a lot of development since I last followed sc2. Are they the best koreans at the moment, I mean including esf players?

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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
May 28 2013 09:05 GMT
#544
On May 28 2013 18:04 Kim Hyuna wrote:
WONDER WHAT IF MVP VS INNOVATION?


Hellbats
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
May 28 2013 09:05 GMT
#545
On May 28 2013 18:04 insanet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2013 18:00 Blargh wrote:
So. I do believe Soulkey will be all-inning at least 4 games in the finals. At least. He lost a macro game on the best zerg map. If Innovation plays that well in WCS finals, I think it might be pretty one-sided...

nahh, if you knew Soulkey from BW, you would knew he never cheesed, he doesnt really liked allins, in BW he was never afraid of Flash he was constantly saying he wanted to play against Flash. Even if he lose today he is no afraid of Innovation he is going full macro at the finals.


Soulkey cheesed (speedling all in) Flash out of their respective last BW games yo
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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
May 28 2013 09:05 GMT
#546
On May 28 2013 18:03 S:klogW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2013 18:00 Zealously wrote:
On May 28 2013 17:58 Kommander wrote:
On May 28 2013 17:56 S:klogW wrote:
Quick question? Who are the best in sc2 among exbroodwar players? What happened to early favorites like Rain and Flash


Rain is the best KeSPA protoss, without a doubt. Flash is the second best terran right now behind Innovation. Innovation is the best KeSPA player overall as of now. Soulkey is the best KeSPA zerg.


I think sOs would like to dispute that claim. He's topped the PL rankings several times and he got to the GSL semis only losing 3-4 to another player in the series that shall never again be named

Wow that's quite a lot of development since I last followed sc2. Are they the best koreans at the moment, I mean including esf players?


I would say so, yeah. Symbol's always up there at the moment and I know I say this a lot but HerO always has the potential to beat up everyone and make them look like scrubs.
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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
May 28 2013 09:05 GMT
#547
On May 28 2013 18:05 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2013 18:04 Kim Hyuna wrote:
WONDER WHAT IF MVP VS INNOVATION?


Hellbats


And marauders
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Kim Hyuna
Profile Joined March 2013
Korea (South)264 Posts
May 28 2013 09:06 GMT
#548
On May 28 2013 18:05 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2013 18:05 Dodgin wrote:
On May 28 2013 18:04 Kim Hyuna wrote:
WONDER WHAT IF MVP VS INNOVATION?


Hellbats


And marauders


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xluik
Profile Joined September 2012
201 Posts
May 28 2013 09:06 GMT
#549
On May 28 2013 18:01 Pitrocelli wrote:
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On May 28 2013 17:56 xluik wrote:
On May 28 2013 17:54 gobbledydook wrote:
On May 28 2013 17:53 blade55555 wrote:
On May 28 2013 17:51 Dodgin wrote:
soulkey almost survived to the part of the game where it becomes zerg favored with the ultra + queen + infestor comp, so close yet so far away.


Don't think that's zerg favored at all unless it's on a smaller map. On whirlwind no way would that ever be zerg favored.


It's funny how casters have been saying since Whirlwind first appeared in GSL that it's Zerg favoured when in reality it was 50/50 since WoL and broodlord infestors.


It's one of the favourite zerg map and if you can't win on your map, the series will be hard.


Innovation likes greedy opening into 4 base rally-push with multiple drops. Against this style you need to allin early or you are playing from behind. On Whirwind your allin collection is really limited, only some nydus play comes to mind. And still some casters ( Tasteless) and players think this map is zerg favored against Innovation ... face palm-worthy assumption


You should not use Innovation as a gauge for map balance... The common veto for zerg I think is Akilon Waste with that easy 4th for terran. Also, the fourth in Whirlwind is harder to secure than in Akilon if you play standard muta/ling. Tasteless is correct.
Proseat
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Germany5113 Posts
May 28 2013 09:07 GMT
#550
hyvaa broke free's 2-win streak.

Scoring:

STX +2
WJS +1

free +4
hyvaa +4
sHy +2
Bogus +8

all other STX players +1
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Wegandi
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2455 Posts
May 28 2013 09:07 GMT
#551
On May 28 2013 17:54 DarkLordOlli wrote:
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On May 28 2013 17:54 Wegandi wrote:
Innovation reminds me of MMA when he was in his prime in the TvZ MU. He's on fire.


Innovation's way better than MMA ever was though.


Sure, but in terms of dominance...not quite. The reason I brought up MMA is because him and innovation play very similar in the TvZ back when MMA was godly in the MU.

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-korean&type=players&id=665&part=games&vs=Z&league=any&map=any&from_year=2010&from_month=11&from_day=15&to_year=2013&to_month=2&to_day=6&action=Update#tblt-2484-2-1-DESC

30-8 against the top zergs of the day, and we can't forget his insane multi-task at the time which again, compares to Innovation. Anyways, if I was a Zerg I would not play Innovation in a straight macro game.
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Douillos
Profile Joined May 2010
France3195 Posts
May 28 2013 09:08 GMT
#552
On May 28 2013 18:07 Wegandi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2013 17:54 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On May 28 2013 17:54 Wegandi wrote:
Innovation reminds me of MMA when he was in his prime in the TvZ MU. He's on fire.


Innovation's way better than MMA ever was though.


Sure, but in terms of dominance...not quite. The reason I brought up MMA is because him and innovation play very similar in the TvZ back when MMA was godly in the MU.

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-korean&type=players&id=665&part=games&vs=Z&league=any&map=any&from_year=2010&from_month=11&from_day=15&to_year=2013&to_month=2&to_day=6&action=Update#tblt-2484-2-1-DESC

30-8 against the top zergs of the day, and we can't forget his insane multi-task at the time which again, compares to Innovation. Anyways, if I was a Zerg I would not play Innovation in a straight macro game.



Also, Innovation has mines, MMA had tanks. The latter was a lot more demanding...
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Marshall_D
Profile Joined November 2008
United States196 Posts
May 28 2013 09:10 GMT
#553
best koreans, best kespa. why not just say best period
flash innovation rain and soulkey are the strongest four by a pretty wide margin
baby is very good,
i also saw some recent proleague games where bisu and fantasy started showing some progress.
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
May 28 2013 09:10 GMT
#554
On May 28 2013 18:08 Douillos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2013 18:07 Wegandi wrote:
On May 28 2013 17:54 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On May 28 2013 17:54 Wegandi wrote:
Innovation reminds me of MMA when he was in his prime in the TvZ MU. He's on fire.


Innovation's way better than MMA ever was though.


Sure, but in terms of dominance...not quite. The reason I brought up MMA is because him and innovation play very similar in the TvZ back when MMA was godly in the MU.

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-korean&type=players&id=665&part=games&vs=Z&league=any&map=any&from_year=2010&from_month=11&from_day=15&to_year=2013&to_month=2&to_day=6&action=Update#tblt-2484-2-1-DESC

30-8 against the top zergs of the day, and we can't forget his insane multi-task at the time which again, compares to Innovation. Anyways, if I was a Zerg I would not play Innovation in a straight macro game.



Also, Innovation has mines, MMA had tanks. The latter was a lot more demanding...


And speedyvacs
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intmastad
Profile Joined January 2011
Korea (South)38 Posts
May 28 2013 09:11 GMT
#555
Mma? Lol mvp? Lol since kespa switch in to sc2 there is no chance to esf players mma had great multitasking lol he is code b level in korea
seoul
Wegandi
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2455 Posts
May 28 2013 09:12 GMT
#556
On May 28 2013 18:11 intmastad wrote:
Mma? Lol mvp? Lol since kespa switch in to sc2 there is no chance to esf players mma had great multitasking lol he is code b level in korea


Do you have any reading comprehension? Serious question.
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intmastad
Profile Joined January 2011
Korea (South)38 Posts
May 28 2013 09:12 GMT
#557
Mma was overestimated because in the past players abilities are geneally low
seoul
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
May 28 2013 09:13 GMT
#558
On May 28 2013 18:11 intmastad wrote:
Mma? Lol mvp? Lol since kespa switch in to sc2 there is no chance to esf players mma had great multitasking lol he is code b level in korea


They are talking about PLAYSTYLE and RECORD, not skill, genius.
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Kim Hyuna
Profile Joined March 2013
Korea (South)264 Posts
May 28 2013 09:15 GMT
#559
MVP might (read might) have a chance.

He just need to regain his peak. He's a 4 times GSL champion after all.
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
May 28 2013 09:15 GMT
#560
On May 28 2013 18:10 Marshall_D wrote:
best koreans, best kespa. why not just say best period
flash innovation rain and soulkey are the strongest four by a pretty wide margin
baby is very good,
i also saw some recent proleague games where bisu and fantasy started showing some progress.


I don't think Fantasy is improving at the same rate as the other top players, It's really sad to see. He loses or only gets 1 kill in every match this round.
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