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JBright
Profile Joined September 2010
Vancouver14381 Posts
May 13 2013 08:48 GMT
#141
Poll: Recommend Set 6?

Yes (12)
 
71%

No (4)
 
24%

If you have time (1)
 
6%

17 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Set 6?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time

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BlackCompany
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany8388 Posts
May 13 2013 08:48 GMT
#142
Did Effort think, that you need the infestor energy upgrade to finish BEFORE you start to build them?
BrassMonkey27
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada616 Posts
May 13 2013 08:49 GMT
#143
I'm really confused about Effort's larvae spending this game.. refraining from spending his money.. while saving for what?
HoneyBadger.784 Diamond KR "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
i.of.the.storm
Profile Joined April 2009
United States795 Posts
May 13 2013 08:49 GMT
#144
On May 13 2013 17:46 Insoleet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2013 17:46 Yello wrote:
On May 13 2013 17:43 Cokefreak wrote:
This is sad to watch.


this is amazing to watch. Good decision making by Ty and he always keeps up with the macro. Effort doesn't lose too many Drones but Ty takes a huge supply-lead just by macroing up while microing his Hellbats and forcing Effort to pull Drones off mining and building static defense


Its maybe fun from a terran Point of View, but from a Zerg point of view... Its truely abusive.


From a skill point of view, it's fun to watch. But from a balance perspective, it's kind of meh, but I don't think the game should be nerfed into boredom like WoL was (IMO). Zoozoovacs are pretty exciting, just paired with hellbats they become stupid.
Maru - The Terran hope is alive!
BlackPanther
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States872 Posts
May 13 2013 08:49 GMT
#145
"If he turned all of those larva into zerglings, he would have been even with Ty." Wat? Effort was miles behind and 40 lings won't help him.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
May 13 2013 08:50 GMT
#146
On May 13 2013 17:49 BrassMonkey27 wrote:
I'm really confused about Effort's larvae spending this game.. refraining from spending his money.. while saving for what?


Winfestors xD
But i do think he forgot to hotkey that hatchery and thats why there was build up of Larva, not because of saving it up (i don't think) might be wrong.
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casualman
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1198 Posts
May 13 2013 08:51 GMT
#147
you need roaches against hellbat drop time. Line/baneling is not going to work. If he really wanted to he could rush lair for baneling speed, which isn't a very good way of holding hellbat drops, but even that he didn't do. :|
GuMiho <3
BrassMonkey27
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada616 Posts
May 13 2013 08:51 GMT
#148
On May 13 2013 17:49 BlackPanther wrote:
"If he turned all of those larva into zerglings, he would have been even with Ty." Wat? Effort was miles behind and 40 lings won't help him.



If he had a spire he could've spent his 1k 2k on 20 mutalisk and made a game of it.
HoneyBadger.784 Diamond KR "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
May 13 2013 08:51 GMT
#149
On May 13 2013 17:51 casualman wrote:
you need roaches against hellbat drop time. Line/baneling is not going to work. If he really wanted to he could rush lair for baneling speed, which isn't a very good way of holding hellbat drops, but even that he didn't do. :|


To be honest it's hard to rush lair when you lose your natural to a 2 rax bunker rush.
When I think of something else, something will go here
Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
May 13 2013 08:51 GMT
#150
On May 13 2013 17:49 i.of.the.storm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2013 17:46 Insoleet wrote:
On May 13 2013 17:46 Yello wrote:
On May 13 2013 17:43 Cokefreak wrote:
This is sad to watch.


this is amazing to watch. Good decision making by Ty and he always keeps up with the macro. Effort doesn't lose too many Drones but Ty takes a huge supply-lead just by macroing up while microing his Hellbats and forcing Effort to pull Drones off mining and building static defense


Its maybe fun from a terran Point of View, but from a Zerg point of view... Its truely abusive.


From a skill point of view, it's fun to watch. But from a balance perspective, it's kind of meh, but I don't think the game should be nerfed into boredom like WoL was (IMO). Zoozoovacs are pretty exciting, just paired with hellbats they become stupid.


They did damage that game for the same reason most harassment works in games like that and that's that Effort was behind so he skipped defense to try and catch up. The hellbat harassment reminds me a lot of WoL mutas in ZvP in that if you fall behind its just going to get worse and worse for you.
Prince_Stranger
Profile Joined November 2010
Kazakhstan762 Posts
May 13 2013 08:51 GMT
#151
Sad to watch because even if Effort played good he is loosing so badly
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong
Yello
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany7411 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-13 09:01:45
May 13 2013 08:54 GMT
#152
On May 13 2013 17:49 i.of.the.storm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2013 17:46 Insoleet wrote:
On May 13 2013 17:46 Yello wrote:
On May 13 2013 17:43 Cokefreak wrote:
This is sad to watch.


this is amazing to watch. Good decision making by Ty and he always keeps up with the macro. Effort doesn't lose too many Drones but Ty takes a huge supply-lead just by macroing up while microing his Hellbats and forcing Effort to pull Drones off mining and building static defense


Its maybe fun from a terran Point of View, but from a Zerg point of view... Its truely abusive.


From a skill point of view, it's fun to watch. But from a balance perspective, it's kind of meh, but I don't think the game should be nerfed into boredom like WoL was (IMO). Zoozoovacs are pretty exciting, just paired with hellbats they become stupid.


Ty pulled this off so well. Doing all the Hellbat-dropping while still keeping his minerals below 300 is just really good play. Effort could have defended better, he could have spend his bank better, he could have played less greedy at the start, he could have stopped the Bunker-rush.

Ty just played much better than Effort this game. It was not a close game where both players fight back and forth, it was Ty beating up Effort. And that was entertaining for me


Edit: btw I actually think that Hellbats shouldn't be healed by Medivacs
Just ahead of time, know your addiction's not a crime. It's just a smaller part of who you want to become in the end.
i.of.the.storm
Profile Joined April 2009
United States795 Posts
May 13 2013 08:57 GMT
#153
On May 13 2013 17:51 Adreme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2013 17:49 i.of.the.storm wrote:
On May 13 2013 17:46 Insoleet wrote:
On May 13 2013 17:46 Yello wrote:
On May 13 2013 17:43 Cokefreak wrote:
This is sad to watch.


this is amazing to watch. Good decision making by Ty and he always keeps up with the macro. Effort doesn't lose too many Drones but Ty takes a huge supply-lead just by macroing up while microing his Hellbats and forcing Effort to pull Drones off mining and building static defense


Its maybe fun from a terran Point of View, but from a Zerg point of view... Its truely abusive.


From a skill point of view, it's fun to watch. But from a balance perspective, it's kind of meh, but I don't think the game should be nerfed into boredom like WoL was (IMO). Zoozoovacs are pretty exciting, just paired with hellbats they become stupid.


They did damage that game for the same reason most harassment works in games like that and that's that Effort was behind so he skipped defense to try and catch up. The hellbat harassment reminds me a lot of WoL mutas in ZvP in that if you fall behind its just going to get worse and worse for you.


Yeah good point. I still think that hellbats should not be healed by medivacs, it's just completely illogical, but overall no one could look at that game and say Ty did not outplay Effort.
Maru - The Terran hope is alive!
D-light
Profile Joined April 2012
Finland7364 Posts
May 13 2013 08:58 GMT
#154
Come on, Baby. Do it for Major!
why even
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24593 Posts
May 13 2013 08:59 GMT
#155
All this talk of making it work makes me think of my hero, Tim Gunn
gobbledydook
Profile Joined October 2012
Australia2605 Posts
May 13 2013 09:00 GMT
#156
reverse all kill please...

I am a dirty Protoss bullshit abuser
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
May 13 2013 09:00 GMT
#157
On May 13 2013 17:51 Prince_Stranger wrote:
Sad to watch because even if Effort played good he is loosing so badly


Considering how he lost his natural hatch to a 2 rax bunker rush and was able to live as long as he did it was very impressive.
When I think of something else, something will go here
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-13 09:02:36
May 13 2013 09:00 GMT
#158
On May 13 2013 17:54 Yello wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2013 17:49 i.of.the.storm wrote:
On May 13 2013 17:46 Insoleet wrote:
On May 13 2013 17:46 Yello wrote:
On May 13 2013 17:43 Cokefreak wrote:
This is sad to watch.


this is amazing to watch. Good decision making by Ty and he always keeps up with the macro. Effort doesn't lose too many Drones but Ty takes a huge supply-lead just by macroing up while microing his Hellbats and forcing Effort to pull Drones off mining and building static defense


Its maybe fun from a terran Point of View, but from a Zerg point of view... Its truely abusive.


From a skill point of view, it's fun to watch. But from a balance perspective, it's kind of meh, but I don't think the game should be nerfed into boredom like WoL was (IMO). Zoozoovacs are pretty exciting, just paired with hellbats they become stupid.


Ty pulled this off so well. Doing all the Hellbat-dropping while still keeping his minerals below 300 is just really good play. Effort could have defended better, he could have spend his bank better, he could have played less greedy at the start, he could have stopped the Bunker-rush.

Ty just played much better than Effort this game. It was not a close game where both players fight back and forth, it was Ty beating up Effort. And that was entertaining for me

Its slowly becoming a war of clones, few more terrans with hellbat drops keeping minerals under 300 and we will have that. For our and zergs sake, zerg players need to counter this play, so that terrans will do somethig different, the question is whether something different is as good course of action as dropping + outmacroing.
Stork[gm]
Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
May 13 2013 09:02 GMT
#159
On May 13 2013 17:57 i.of.the.storm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2013 17:51 Adreme wrote:
On May 13 2013 17:49 i.of.the.storm wrote:
On May 13 2013 17:46 Insoleet wrote:
On May 13 2013 17:46 Yello wrote:
On May 13 2013 17:43 Cokefreak wrote:
This is sad to watch.


this is amazing to watch. Good decision making by Ty and he always keeps up with the macro. Effort doesn't lose too many Drones but Ty takes a huge supply-lead just by macroing up while microing his Hellbats and forcing Effort to pull Drones off mining and building static defense


Its maybe fun from a terran Point of View, but from a Zerg point of view... Its truely abusive.


From a skill point of view, it's fun to watch. But from a balance perspective, it's kind of meh, but I don't think the game should be nerfed into boredom like WoL was (IMO). Zoozoovacs are pretty exciting, just paired with hellbats they become stupid.


They did damage that game for the same reason most harassment works in games like that and that's that Effort was behind so he skipped defense to try and catch up. The hellbat harassment reminds me a lot of WoL mutas in ZvP in that if you fall behind its just going to get worse and worse for you.


Yeah good point. I still think that hellbats should not be healed by medivacs, it's just completely illogical, but overall no one could look at that game and say Ty did not outplay Effort.


And it's a transformation from hellions, which do not get healed. XD If Blizzard wanted a hellbat like unit to have synergy with bio they should have just brought firebats back, at least those guys cost gas.
EpiK
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5757 Posts
May 13 2013 09:04 GMT
#160
that awkward pause
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