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Thrax
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1755 Posts
May 04 2013 20:07 GMT
#181
On May 05 2013 04:57 DJHelium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2013 04:54 govie wrote:
On May 05 2013 04:44 Thrax wrote:
On May 05 2013 04:41 govie wrote:
tvt not best demuslim matchup... oh dear..

What makes you say that? His losses to Byun?


ye


While the statement might be true (I'd say his TvZ is strongest and TvT weakest), games vs a Code S level player isn't a good measurement for how solid his TvT is.

If anything, I'd almost argue that all that practice against Byun and Polt (to a lesser extent, I haven't seen those two play each other in a while) has made DeMusliM a better TvTer.
SCST
Profile Joined November 2011
Mexico1609 Posts
May 04 2013 20:08 GMT
#182
On May 05 2013 04:59 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2013 04:53 SCST wrote:
On May 05 2013 04:48 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
On May 05 2013 04:47 SCST wrote:
On May 05 2013 04:39 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
On May 05 2013 04:37 monkh wrote:
Who is the other caster with axlave? and how was he surprised no.1 Chinese player wouldn't beat Sasquatch? Jim's a bause!


Because he has no idea who the Chinese players are and doesn't realise that the Chinese are better than all the non-Koreans pretty much without exception.


Not sure if I should be laughing at this as a troll or if you really mean it. Chinese are better than all the non-Koreans without exception ?

Must be some super-hero Chinese players that I've never seen before . . . but I just checked the bracket here, and I don't see any Chinese players that can support your hilariously outlandish claim. Must be a troll.


P.S. Hendralisk 2-1 over Loner first round.


It is not a troll. Who are the best non-chinese foreigners here? Like Puck and Demuslim? The Chinese players are better than them.

Yes Loner lost to Hendralisk but these are BO3s.





Nothing wrong with being a fan of Chinese players, many of them are very good. However, your statement seems pretty far off the mark from what I've seen. Chinese players are about on par with the foreigners, just as we are seeing with the current results. This is the way it's been now for a long time.

I'd go further and say that against the foreigners in American and European Premier league, most of the Chinese would be outclassed.


The top handful of Chinese are right up there with Stephano, Naniwa, Snute, Scarlett, Lucifron etc. We just never get to see them.


Sorry but these must be some diamond-in-the-rough Chinese players that have never competed in a major tournament and that no one has ever seen. If that's the case, then no one can dispute your statement.

If you're referring to Xigua, Comm, Xy, Jim etc etc then I think you're pretty far off the mark. Maybe influenced by being a fan? I'm a fan Nony, but I'm not going to make statements like "Nony is without exception the best player in North America" . . .

And no, there is no conspiracy against Chinese players locking them out of tournaments. There was a screw-up by MLG in this tournament. The Chinese have competed in tons of tournaments and failed to show results that support your claim. Now that I think about it, I even remember when Loner played in the very first GSL's. I also remember him losing. Alot.
"The weak cannot forgive. Forgiveness is an attribute of the strong." - Gandhi
govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
May 04 2013 20:09 GMT
#183
On May 05 2013 05:07 Thrax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2013 04:57 DJHelium wrote:
On May 05 2013 04:54 govie wrote:
On May 05 2013 04:44 Thrax wrote:
On May 05 2013 04:41 govie wrote:
tvt not best demuslim matchup... oh dear..

What makes you say that? His losses to Byun?


ye


While the statement might be true (I'd say his TvZ is strongest and TvT weakest), games vs a Code S level player isn't a good measurement for how solid his TvT is.

If anything, I'd almost argue that all that practice against Byun and Polt (to a lesser extent, I haven't seen those two play each other in a while) has made DeMusliM a better TvTer.


Agree. And for byun.. well, he has maru and MKP in that house.. that gives u alot of practise
The two NBA teams in states with legal weed are called the Nuggets and the Blazers...
TheButtonmen
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada1405 Posts
May 04 2013 20:11 GMT
#184
Is there a way to see roughly when players will be up?

aka: When is Demu playing?
MadProbe
Profile Joined February 2012
United States269 Posts
May 04 2013 20:13 GMT
#185
jim and xy are both top 100 kr gm. so i wouldnt underestimate the chinese players.
samurai80
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan4225 Posts
May 04 2013 20:14 GMT
#186
XY a bit sloppy but in a decent position now.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
May 04 2013 20:14 GMT
#187
On May 05 2013 05:11 TheButtonmen wrote:
Is there a way to see roughly when players will be up?

aka: When is Demu playing?

MLG Bracket says next round starts in about 15 min (20:30 GMT (+00:00))
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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
May 04 2013 20:14 GMT
#188
On May 05 2013 04:47 SCST wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2013 04:39 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
On May 05 2013 04:37 monkh wrote:
Who is the other caster with axlave? and how was he surprised no.1 Chinese player wouldn't beat Sasquatch? Jim's a bause!


Because he has no idea who the Chinese players are and doesn't realise that the Chinese are better than all the non-Koreans pretty much without exception.


Not sure if I should be laughing at this as a troll or if you really mean it. Chinese are better than all the non-Koreans without exception ?

Must be some super-hero Chinese players that I've never seen before . . . but I just checked the bracket here, and I don't see any Chinese players that can support your hilariously outlandish claim. Must be a troll.


P.S. Hendralisk 2-1 over Loner first round.


Obviously the claim that "Chinese players are better than the non-Koreans without exception" is hyperbole. The results just have not been there for the Chinese players (there also have not been many opportunities, but in the end, results are what matters).

But I'd like to think that given the opportunities, I'd like to think that China could be the 2nd best SC2 country after Korea one day. Hopefully
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
broodmann
Profile Joined December 2011
604 Posts
May 04 2013 20:17 GMT
#189
These are some really good Americans, didnt know NA had such high level players
_SpiRaL_
Profile Joined December 2012
Afghanistan1636 Posts
May 04 2013 20:17 GMT
#190
On May 05 2013 05:08 SCST wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2013 04:59 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
On May 05 2013 04:53 SCST wrote:
On May 05 2013 04:48 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
On May 05 2013 04:47 SCST wrote:
On May 05 2013 04:39 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
On May 05 2013 04:37 monkh wrote:
Who is the other caster with axlave? and how was he surprised no.1 Chinese player wouldn't beat Sasquatch? Jim's a bause!


Because he has no idea who the Chinese players are and doesn't realise that the Chinese are better than all the non-Koreans pretty much without exception.


Not sure if I should be laughing at this as a troll or if you really mean it. Chinese are better than all the non-Koreans without exception ?

Must be some super-hero Chinese players that I've never seen before . . . but I just checked the bracket here, and I don't see any Chinese players that can support your hilariously outlandish claim. Must be a troll.


P.S. Hendralisk 2-1 over Loner first round.


It is not a troll. Who are the best non-chinese foreigners here? Like Puck and Demuslim? The Chinese players are better than them.

Yes Loner lost to Hendralisk but these are BO3s.





Nothing wrong with being a fan of Chinese players, many of them are very good. However, your statement seems pretty far off the mark from what I've seen. Chinese players are about on par with the foreigners, just as we are seeing with the current results. This is the way it's been now for a long time.

I'd go further and say that against the foreigners in American and European Premier league, most of the Chinese would be outclassed.


The top handful of Chinese are right up there with Stephano, Naniwa, Snute, Scarlett, Lucifron etc. We just never get to see them.


Sorry but these must be some diamond-in-the-rough Chinese players that have never competed in a major tournament and that no one has ever seen. If that's the case, then no one can dispute your statement.

If you're referring to Xigua, Comm, Xy, Jim etc etc then I think you're pretty far off the mark. Maybe influenced by being a fan? I'm a fan Nony, but I'm not going to make statements like "Nony is without exception the best player in North America" . . .

And no, there is no conspiracy against Chinese players locking them out of tournaments. There was a screw-up by MLG in this tournament. The Chinese have competed in tons of tournaments and failed to show results that support your claim. Now that I think about it, I even remember when Loner played in the very first GSL's. I also remember him losing. Alot.


Tons of tournaments? Like what? The top Chinese players are all GM in Korea, Jim is even consistently top 20 GM in Korea.

Of all the foreigners who went to Korea, most never made it into GM at all. Stephano and Snute for sure, but most of the rest never made it out of masters consistently and had W/L ratios of 50%.

If the Chinese players played as many tournaments as the foreigners on the top teams like EG, Liquid etc, people's opinion of them would be very different.
Red and yellow are all I see
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-04 20:18:51
May 04 2013 20:17 GMT
#191
Yeah, Center is just better.
Edit: what the hell was that
SCST
Profile Joined November 2011
Mexico1609 Posts
May 04 2013 20:18 GMT
#192
Dang so many interesting matchups to watch next round.

Demuslim vs Kawaiirice

Qxc vs Macsed

Jaedong vs Nony

Hope we can see them all
"The weak cannot forgive. Forgiveness is an attribute of the strong." - Gandhi
Mouzone
Profile Joined April 2011
3937 Posts
May 04 2013 20:18 GMT
#193
Move command marines goooooooooooo
MadProbe
Profile Joined February 2012
United States269 Posts
May 04 2013 20:18 GMT
#194
man you can tell they're playing with a shitload of lag. goddamnit mlg just let them play on kr.
_SpiRaL_
Profile Joined December 2012
Afghanistan1636 Posts
May 04 2013 20:20 GMT
#195
XY didn't go into a defensive enough position after doing so much damage.
Red and yellow are all I see
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-04 20:21:07
May 04 2013 20:20 GMT
#196
hyun 2-0 tbo
hwangsin 2-0 aria
drunkenboi 2-0 pig
taeja 2-0 trimaster
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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
May 04 2013 20:21 GMT
#197
Hmm, I think the obs must have missed something. XY suddenly fell so far behind :\
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
MarcH
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom362 Posts
May 04 2013 20:21 GMT
#198
YAY DeMu now for some real TvT
Lonyo
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United Kingdom3884 Posts
May 04 2013 20:22 GMT
#199
On May 05 2013 05:21 Bagration wrote:
Hmm, I think the obs must have missed something. XY suddenly fell so far behind :\

He lost all his marines and half his medivacs overcommitting at the third.
HOLY CHECK!
Mouzone
Profile Joined April 2011
3937 Posts
May 04 2013 20:22 GMT
#200
On May 05 2013 05:21 MarcH wrote:
YAY DeMu now for some real TvT


I'm having a hard time appreciating other TvT's after seeing Flash vs. Innovation but seeing how Demuslim does should be good.
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