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On May 05 2013 04:57 DJHelium wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2013 04:54 govie wrote:On May 05 2013 04:44 Thrax wrote:On May 05 2013 04:41 govie wrote:
tvt not best demuslim matchup... oh dear.. What makes you say that? His losses to Byun? ye While the statement might be true (I'd say his TvZ is strongest and TvT weakest), games vs a Code S level player isn't a good measurement for how solid his TvT is.
If anything, I'd almost argue that all that practice against Byun and Polt (to a lesser extent, I haven't seen those two play each other in a while) has made DeMusliM a better TvTer.
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On May 05 2013 04:59 _SpiRaL_ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2013 04:53 SCST wrote:On May 05 2013 04:48 _SpiRaL_ wrote:On May 05 2013 04:47 SCST wrote:On May 05 2013 04:39 _SpiRaL_ wrote:On May 05 2013 04:37 monkh wrote:
Who is the other caster with axlave? and how was he surprised no.1 Chinese player wouldn't beat Sasquatch? Jim's a bause! Because he has no idea who the Chinese players are and doesn't realise that the Chinese are better than all the non-Koreans pretty much without exception. Not sure if I should be laughing at this as a troll or if you really mean it. Chinese are better than all the non-Koreans without exception ? Must be some super-hero Chinese players that I've never seen before . . . but I just checked the bracket here, and I don't see any Chinese players that can support your hilariously outlandish claim. Must be a troll. P.S. Hendralisk 2-1 over Loner first round. It is not a troll. Who are the best non-chinese foreigners here? Like Puck and Demuslim? The Chinese players are better than them. Yes Loner lost to Hendralisk but these are BO3s. Nothing wrong with being a fan of Chinese players, many of them are very good. However, your statement seems pretty far off the mark from what I've seen. Chinese players are about on par with the foreigners, just as we are seeing with the current results. This is the way it's been now for a long time. I'd go further and say that against the foreigners in American and European Premier league, most of the Chinese would be outclassed. The top handful of Chinese are right up there with Stephano, Naniwa, Snute, Scarlett, Lucifron etc. We just never get to see them.
Sorry but these must be some diamond-in-the-rough Chinese players that have never competed in a major tournament and that no one has ever seen. If that's the case, then no one can dispute your statement.
If you're referring to Xigua, Comm, Xy, Jim etc etc then I think you're pretty far off the mark. Maybe influenced by being a fan? I'm a fan Nony, but I'm not going to make statements like "Nony is without exception the best player in North America" . . .
And no, there is no conspiracy against Chinese players locking them out of tournaments. There was a screw-up by MLG in this tournament. The Chinese have competed in tons of tournaments and failed to show results that support your claim. Now that I think about it, I even remember when Loner played in the very first GSL's. I also remember him losing. Alot.
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On May 05 2013 05:07 Thrax wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2013 04:57 DJHelium wrote:On May 05 2013 04:54 govie wrote:On May 05 2013 04:44 Thrax wrote:On May 05 2013 04:41 govie wrote:
tvt not best demuslim matchup... oh dear.. What makes you say that? His losses to Byun? ye While the statement might be true (I'd say his TvZ is strongest and TvT weakest), games vs a Code S level player isn't a good measurement for how solid his TvT is. If anything, I'd almost argue that all that practice against Byun and Polt (to a lesser extent, I haven't seen those two play each other in a while) has made DeMusliM a better TvTer.
Agree. And for byun.. well, he has maru and MKP in that house.. that gives u alot of practise
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Is there a way to see roughly when players will be up?
aka: When is Demu playing?
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jim and xy are both top 100 kr gm. so i wouldnt underestimate the chinese players.
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XY a bit sloppy but in a decent position now.
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On May 05 2013 05:11 TheButtonmen wrote:
Is there a way to see roughly when players will be up?
aka: When is Demu playing?
MLG Bracket says next round starts in about 15 min (20:30 GMT (+00:00))
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On May 05 2013 04:47 SCST wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2013 04:39 _SpiRaL_ wrote:On May 05 2013 04:37 monkh wrote:
Who is the other caster with axlave? and how was he surprised no.1 Chinese player wouldn't beat Sasquatch? Jim's a bause! Because he has no idea who the Chinese players are and doesn't realise that the Chinese are better than all the non-Koreans pretty much without exception. Not sure if I should be laughing at this as a troll or if you really mean it. Chinese are better than all the non-Koreans without exception ? Must be some super-hero Chinese players that I've never seen before . . . but I just checked the bracket here, and I don't see any Chinese players that can support your hilariously outlandish claim. Must be a troll. P.S. Hendralisk 2-1 over Loner first round.
Obviously the claim that "Chinese players are better than the non-Koreans without exception" is hyperbole. The results just have not been there for the Chinese players (there also have not been many opportunities, but in the end, results are what matters).
But I'd like to think that given the opportunities, I'd like to think that China could be the 2nd best SC2 country after Korea one day. Hopefully
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These are some really good Americans, didnt know NA had such high level players
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On May 05 2013 05:08 SCST wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2013 04:59 _SpiRaL_ wrote:On May 05 2013 04:53 SCST wrote:On May 05 2013 04:48 _SpiRaL_ wrote:On May 05 2013 04:47 SCST wrote:On May 05 2013 04:39 _SpiRaL_ wrote:On May 05 2013 04:37 monkh wrote:
Who is the other caster with axlave? and how was he surprised no.1 Chinese player wouldn't beat Sasquatch? Jim's a bause! Because he has no idea who the Chinese players are and doesn't realise that the Chinese are better than all the non-Koreans pretty much without exception. Not sure if I should be laughing at this as a troll or if you really mean it. Chinese are better than all the non-Koreans without exception ? Must be some super-hero Chinese players that I've never seen before . . . but I just checked the bracket here, and I don't see any Chinese players that can support your hilariously outlandish claim. Must be a troll. P.S. Hendralisk 2-1 over Loner first round. It is not a troll. Who are the best non-chinese foreigners here? Like Puck and Demuslim? The Chinese players are better than them. Yes Loner lost to Hendralisk but these are BO3s. Nothing wrong with being a fan of Chinese players, many of them are very good. However, your statement seems pretty far off the mark from what I've seen. Chinese players are about on par with the foreigners, just as we are seeing with the current results. This is the way it's been now for a long time. I'd go further and say that against the foreigners in American and European Premier league, most of the Chinese would be outclassed. The top handful of Chinese are right up there with Stephano, Naniwa, Snute, Scarlett, Lucifron etc. We just never get to see them. Sorry but these must be some diamond-in-the-rough Chinese players that have never competed in a major tournament and that no one has ever seen. If that's the case, then no one can dispute your statement. If you're referring to Xigua, Comm, Xy, Jim etc etc then I think you're pretty far off the mark. Maybe influenced by being a fan? I'm a fan Nony, but I'm not going to make statements like "Nony is without exception the best player in North America" . . . And no, there is no conspiracy against Chinese players locking them out of tournaments. There was a screw-up by MLG in this tournament. The Chinese have competed in tons of tournaments and failed to show results that support your claim. Now that I think about it, I even remember when Loner played in the very first GSL's. I also remember him losing. Alot.
Tons of tournaments? Like what? The top Chinese players are all GM in Korea, Jim is even consistently top 20 GM in Korea.
Of all the foreigners who went to Korea, most never made it into GM at all. Stephano and Snute for sure, but most of the rest never made it out of masters consistently and had W/L ratios of 50%.
If the Chinese players played as many tournaments as the foreigners on the top teams like EG, Liquid etc, people's opinion of them would be very different.
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Yeah, Center is just better.
Edit: what the hell was that
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Dang so many interesting matchups to watch next round.
Demuslim vs Kawaiirice
Qxc vs Macsed
Jaedong vs Nony
Hope we can see them all
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Move command marines goooooooooooo
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man you can tell they're playing with a shitload of lag. goddamnit mlg just let them play on kr.
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XY didn't go into a defensive enough position after doing so much damage.
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hyun 2-0 tbo
hwangsin 2-0 aria
drunkenboi 2-0 pig
taeja 2-0 trimaster
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Hmm, I think the obs must have missed something. XY suddenly fell so far behind :\
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YAY DeMu now for some real TvT
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On May 05 2013 05:21 Bagration wrote:
Hmm, I think the obs must have missed something. XY suddenly fell so far behind :\
He lost all his marines and half his medivacs overcommitting at the third.
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On May 05 2013 05:21 MarcH wrote:
YAY DeMu now for some real TvT
I'm having a hard time appreciating other TvT's after seeing Flash vs. Innovation but seeing how Demuslim does should be good.
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