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Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
April 26 2013 22:20 GMT
#5981
On April 27 2013 07:16 StarVe wrote:
Russian casters are the best, they're inexhaustible.

No matter which tournament you want to watch, some Russian caster is streaming it from beginning to end.



oi oi oi oi oi !
Terran & Potato Salad.
Heavenlee
Profile Joined April 2012
United States966 Posts
April 26 2013 22:20 GMT
#5982
On April 27 2013 07:16 Snoodles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2013 07:14 Heavenlee wrote:
On April 27 2013 07:10 LurkersGonnaLurk wrote:
On April 27 2013 07:06 Heavenlee wrote:
On April 27 2013 06:59 xyzz wrote:
lol @ the europeans and americans trying to downplay the achievements of other euros and americans in this tournament. try to be proud of your own guys for once. the achievement isn't that naniwa and stephano & co went further than mc & polt & hero & forgg, it's that those koreans didn't even make the 2nd day of the tournament. they got outclassed.


Lol @ people who are so desperate for white people to win in tournaments. In what way are any of them 'my guys' because we share the same ethnicity? I'm supposed to root for people who live thousands of miles away from me that I've never seen in my life? And your two achievements are literally the same exact thing, except one focuses on the people who won and the other focuses on the people who lost. Sorry I don't go around high fiving people on a message board and act like it's some personal accomplishment for "my team" because Europeans beat some Koreans.

Lol @ bringing race into a discussion about nationalities.


I'm Italian-American, who in this tournament is my nationality that I should root for? The closest is a Canadian. Besides that, it is race since I'm apparently supposed to also root for Europeans.


Dude nobody wants to hear you go on and on about how much better taste in players you have than everyone else.

Show nested quote +
You're not raining on anyones parade. We know what we're seeing. Frankly I don't even understand what the point of your post is. Flash Innovation Life and Parting are on another level, their own tier, but so far we've seen foreigners taking games off Code S level Koreans. You act like the Koreans here are scrubs. Leenock MC Polt Gumiho Hyun and Hero are all Code S level, and Gumiho recently 2-0 both Rain and Hyun so he's still a wild-card as to being able to win Code S. The level of competition is just a notch below the highest tier.


Then don't read my posts? And I haven't talked about how much better taste I have in players than anyone? Rofl. How can you not understand what the point of my post is? I was responding to someone talking about a skill gap based on Korea and the rest of the world based on who won games and who was knocked out. Leenock, Gumiho, Hyun, and Hero all advanced. The tier of people that were knocked out besides Polt and MC was pretty low.
Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
April 26 2013 22:20 GMT
#5983
On April 27 2013 07:16 Rostam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2013 07:14 BronzeKnee wrote:
On April 27 2013 07:12 n0ise wrote:
On April 27 2013 07:08 warz_ wrote:
PvT 1-base allins/cheeses

4gate
3 gate robo
3gate stargate
dt drop
dt
oracles
blink

TvP allins/cheeses

-----

.


was anyone ever under a different impression?


You don't need to all-in to kill Protoss early. You can drop Hellbats and Widow Mines and kill all their workers. And if it doesn't work, transition into a standard game...


It's so easy! You should write Polt a letter about it so he doesn't lose any more TvPs in the future.

poor terrans ;( so easy to beat, this world is just unfair and no there is no thing like 1/1/1, nothing to get aggressive with as a terran so sad.
SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24591 Posts
April 26 2013 22:20 GMT
#5984
MC and ForGG both went 0-3 in their groups x.x
Tidus Mino
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom1108 Posts
April 26 2013 22:20 GMT
#5985
SortOf falls 0-2 to Puzzle, bring on the ZvZ! xD
Head of Production at FACEITTV, ex-WW & Mouz SC2 manager
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15725 Posts
April 26 2013 22:20 GMT
#5986
Stephano got insanely lucky with his group. 6-0 is no surprise.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
April 26 2013 22:21 GMT
#5987
On April 27 2013 07:13 syroz wrote:
Wow, a lot of surprises in this last group stage.
TLO, Huk, Grubby, Sort of and Naniwa did really well. I am happy for them.
I wouldn't have bet for Nerchio, ForGG, Thorzain, MC and especially Polt elimination. Some may be heavily jet lag but thats not a excuse obviously.
I didn't watch much stream today, i missed a lot.


ThorZain and Stephano did have an easier group in the last stage, so I guess I'm a little shocked he didn't make it out of that one. As for MC, he's always been very inconsistent so I cannot say I'm surprised that he got eliminated. TLO has been on the rise and Grubby has been more consistent in finishing higher up in tournaments and looking at his group. I expected to him to put up more of a fight against HuK (HuK's probably the biggest surprise for me considering the games I did watch of him). + Show Spoiler +
Lee did steamroll him though and he fell apart in typical fashion in that series
. Polt is somewhat of a disappointment as for the rest. Not too surprising.

for HuK and TLO. Not sure how far they'll go considering the remaining player pool but they should be happy with their results.
juicyjames *
Profile Joined August 2011
United States3815 Posts
April 26 2013 22:21 GMT
#5988
I missed the whole day. Are there any recommended matches from today?
This Week in SC2Find out what happened 'This Week in Starcraft 2': http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=278126
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
April 26 2013 22:21 GMT
#5989
On April 27 2013 07:18 StarVe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2013 07:17 Bagration wrote:
On April 27 2013 07:15 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Puzzle is going to win Dreamhack since he was infused with Kespa power
Puzzle > Leenock in the finals


Holy shit, I just realized that Puzzle managed to break through the firewall of Kespa-MLG exclusivity. This might be one of the rare times we see a Kespa player abroad like this.

Thank you, Project Dark Horse for sending an "underdog" who somehow is on a Kespa team to Dreamhack with community money.

*cough, cough*


Am I a terrible person for being absolutely delighted that the money is being used on Puzzle and Coca as a chance to revive their careers? :p
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
vrok
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden2541 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-26 22:21:40
April 26 2013 22:21 GMT
#5990
On April 27 2013 07:15 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Puzzle is going to win Dreamhack since he was infused with Kespa power
Puzzle > Leenock in the finals

Fionn cursed Puzzle after Polt went out. Not going to happen.
"Starcraft 2 very easy game" - White-Ra
Spidinko
Profile Joined May 2010
Slovakia1174 Posts
April 26 2013 22:21 GMT
#5991
Quite a few foreigner zergs beat korean terrans today. I guess it's not as bad as people make it up to be
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12363 Posts
April 26 2013 22:21 GMT
#5992
On April 27 2013 07:20 Mohdoo wrote:
Stephano got insanely lucky with his group. 6-0 is no surprise.


6-2, but at least you got a smile out of me so ty for that
No will to live, no wish to die
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
April 26 2013 22:21 GMT
#5993
I hope Kas gets Verdi as an opponent.
Tidus Mino
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom1108 Posts
April 26 2013 22:21 GMT
#5994
On April 27 2013 07:21 Spidinko wrote:
Quite a few foreigner zergs beat korean terrans today. I guess it's not as bad as people make it up to be


Bloody Patch Zergs
Head of Production at FACEITTV, ex-WW & Mouz SC2 manager
Awesomeness
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany1361 Posts
April 26 2013 22:22 GMT
#5995
On April 27 2013 07:20 Mohdoo wrote:
Stephano got insanely lucky with his group. 6-0 is no surprise.


People said the same thing about Polt before the group started.
xlord 5:0
govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
April 26 2013 22:22 GMT
#5996
im terran so gonna root for gumiho who can ectually win this
The two NBA teams in states with legal weed are called the Nuggets and the Blazers...
bosnia
Profile Joined October 2002
Canada223 Posts
April 26 2013 22:22 GMT
#5997
wow what upsets man. grubby 2-0 Polt, MC 0-3 (1-6),ForGG 0-3 (2-6) daaaaamnnnn
TL member since 2002, Protoss ftw!!
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-26 22:23:16
April 26 2013 22:23 GMT
#5998
On April 27 2013 07:21 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2013 07:18 StarVe wrote:
On April 27 2013 07:17 Bagration wrote:
On April 27 2013 07:15 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Puzzle is going to win Dreamhack since he was infused with Kespa power
Puzzle > Leenock in the finals


Holy shit, I just realized that Puzzle managed to break through the firewall of Kespa-MLG exclusivity. This might be one of the rare times we see a Kespa player abroad like this.

Thank you, Project Dark Horse for sending an "underdog" who somehow is on a Kespa team to Dreamhack with community money.

*cough, cough*


Am I a terrible person for being absolutely delighted that the money is being used on Puzzle and Coca as a chance to revive their careers? :p

Obviously not, but some people who bought stuff for 500$+ were pissed already when they announced they were sending Coca/Puzzle. Now that Puzzle is on a Kespa team, too, I can't imagine them being any happier.
LighT.
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4501 Posts
April 26 2013 22:23 GMT
#5999
On April 27 2013 07:17 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2013 07:13 MVTaylor wrote:
On April 27 2013 07:12 LighT. wrote:
On April 27 2013 07:10 MVTaylor wrote:
On April 27 2013 07:00 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On April 27 2013 06:58 MVTaylor wrote:
On April 27 2013 06:53 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On April 27 2013 06:51 arkedos wrote:
On April 27 2013 06:50 Instigata wrote:
Is this part of the Euro WCS or something? Where are all the good Koreans like Life, Rain, DRG, Innovation, Parting etc



no but it gives points towards WCS, but it is not a direct WCS tournament. And there are plenty of good koreans.


The Korean lineup is pretty underwhelming. There's some great Koreans here sure but there's a fuck load not here, namely all the Kespa ones plus Life, Taeja and Symbol,


You do know Kespa have an exclusivity deal with MLG involving foreign tournaments, don't you?


That has nothing at all to do with the quality of this lineup. Excuses do not alter the reality.


So you knew that then went ahead and made that post? Okay... so let's edit your quote then.

On April 27 2013 07:00 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
The Korean lineup is pretty underwhelming. There's some great Koreans here sure but there's a fuck load not here, namely all the Kespa ones plus Life, Taeja and Symbol,


So. 3.

Naww..
ST Bomber
ST Curious
Azubu Violet
Azubu B4
Azubu Supernova
MKP
Byun
Maru
DRG
lots of good koreans missing out on this : )


Exactly, so why did he bother naming the Kespa players (who he knew were ineligible) over all the others?


Because of you listed the best 10 players in the world right now I'd go (in no order):

Life
Roro
Symbol
Soulkey
Parting
Rain
Flash
Innovation
Taeja
Yoda.

Maybe you could squeeze in Gumiho over Yoda.

So there's 1 player in the top 10 in the world at best in this tournament. That's a pretty key point if people are going to talk about foreigner vs korean skill gap.

I dont think anyone's arguing that foreigners have fully caught up to the koreans in skill gap...and being able to compete with the very best..
If they are...they're pretty much being delusional to an incomprehensible degree.
It's fair to say that top of the foreigners can compete with the mid-tier koreans given what we've seen from dreamhack.
They're still far from competing with the best.
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17702 Posts
April 26 2013 22:24 GMT
#6000
On April 27 2013 07:23 StarVe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2013 07:21 Bagration wrote:
On April 27 2013 07:18 StarVe wrote:
On April 27 2013 07:17 Bagration wrote:
On April 27 2013 07:15 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Puzzle is going to win Dreamhack since he was infused with Kespa power
Puzzle > Leenock in the finals


Holy shit, I just realized that Puzzle managed to break through the firewall of Kespa-MLG exclusivity. This might be one of the rare times we see a Kespa player abroad like this.

Thank you, Project Dark Horse for sending an "underdog" who somehow is on a Kespa team to Dreamhack with community money.

*cough, cough*


Am I a terrible person for being absolutely delighted that the money is being used on Puzzle and Coca as a chance to revive their careers? :p

Obviously not, but some people who bought stuff for 500$+ were pissed already when they announced they were sending Coca/Puzzle. Now that Puzzle is on a Kespa team, too, I can't imagine them being any happier.

you can't please everyone
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