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well that was disappointing. both my favorites dropped out. Marineking looked really bad, it's sad to watch his continued fall as a fan =/ hope he can make it out of this rut. i thought HotS would fit him given his micro and what not, but i guess not really thus far.
nevertheless it was still entertaining as fuck to watch, not only because the games were mostly really good but also because Tastosis were in top shape. this might be the most entertaining cast in a serious tournament ever.
it probably was also the sexiest cast ever. from Artosis talking about cream exploding in Tasteless' mouth and him licking it off with his big Angelina Jolie lips to Artosis almost saying "you're the only parasite i want inside of me", this was fucking classic.
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On April 11 2013 04:24 Taipoka wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 03:52 HolyArrow wrote:On April 10 2013 23:08 sinigang wrote:On April 10 2013 22:56 slowbacontron wrote:
I saw plenty of esf fans in the previews for this group who claimed that Curious and MKP were easily going to win, probably because they hadn't paid any attention to the Kespa scene. But yes, it's the Kespa fans who come crowing over every frikkin' victory these days because Kespa is the cool thing to support, the "new" kids on the block (maybe an opportunity for the old fans to flaunt their superiority). I think a major reason this is happening is because KeSPA fans felt disrespected back in 2010 when new fans who only followed SC2 and eSF players started proclaiming new gods and heroes of StarCraft (which were mere B-teamers and punching bags in BW by the way). KeSPA fans couldn't stand that these players were freeloading in SC2 while their heroes were stuck playing BW and had to go through a long and tough transition period. Now that that's over and KeSPA is here to stay for good, the old school fans are seeking a sense of vindication. This will last until tournaments are dominantly represented by KeSPA (which includes KeSPA picking up straggling eSF pros).  Do you realize how much of a douche you have to be to take offense because you expect someone who is a fan of game X to somehow give a shit about anything involving game Y, let alone show the level of respect you feel your game and players of your game are entitled to (hint: they're not)? Seems like a lot of Kespa fanboys can't get over the fact that SC2 and BW are entirely different games, and that a good amount of SC2 fans really don't care about BW. If SC3 came out years from now and there were a bunch of new fans following it and new players (perhaps unsuccessfuly ex-SC2 players) making a splash on the scene, I would find it completely unacceptable for me as an SC2 fan to start telling SC3 fans which players they should be praising, merely on the basis of their SC2 performances. Seems like a bunch of esf "fanboys" (I hate this word) fall so easily to some troll bait. Do you really think the "kespa fanboys" are represented by singang, choisulli and maybe 5 or 10 other accounts here? Cmon, be a smart guy. Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 04:23 jinorazi wrote:
i see more dysfuction with people taking this seriously o.O
You said it way better than me
http://files.sharenator.com/LOL_I_TROLL_YOU-s755x1255-225553.png
I don't buy the troll bait card here. People have been saying shit like that ever since Kespa players have gotten involved in the scene, and they've been plenty sincere about it. If calling out ridiculous BW elitism (which has been a very real blight on this site - granted, it's also excellent troll material, but you can't fault people for taking it seriously when they see it, since troll BW elitism is pretty much indistinguishable from sincere BW elitism) for what it is makes me an ESF "fanboy", then so be it -_-;;
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On April 11 2013 05:17 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 04:24 Taipoka wrote:On April 11 2013 03:52 HolyArrow wrote:On April 10 2013 23:08 sinigang wrote:On April 10 2013 22:56 slowbacontron wrote:
I saw plenty of esf fans in the previews for this group who claimed that Curious and MKP were easily going to win, probably because they hadn't paid any attention to the Kespa scene. But yes, it's the Kespa fans who come crowing over every frikkin' victory these days because Kespa is the cool thing to support, the "new" kids on the block (maybe an opportunity for the old fans to flaunt their superiority). I think a major reason this is happening is because KeSPA fans felt disrespected back in 2010 when new fans who only followed SC2 and eSF players started proclaiming new gods and heroes of StarCraft (which were mere B-teamers and punching bags in BW by the way). KeSPA fans couldn't stand that these players were freeloading in SC2 while their heroes were stuck playing BW and had to go through a long and tough transition period. Now that that's over and KeSPA is here to stay for good, the old school fans are seeking a sense of vindication. This will last until tournaments are dominantly represented by KeSPA (which includes KeSPA picking up straggling eSF pros). Do you realize how much of a douche you have to be to take offense because you expect someone who is a fan of game X to somehow give a shit about anything involving game Y, let alone show the level of respect you feel your game and players of your game are entitled to (hint: they're not)? Seems like a lot of Kespa fanboys can't get over the fact that SC2 and BW are entirely different games, and that a good amount of SC2 fans really don't care about BW. If SC3 came out years from now and there were a bunch of new fans following it and new players (perhaps unsuccessfuly ex-SC2 players) making a splash on the scene, I would find it completely unacceptable for me as an SC2 fan to start telling SC3 fans which players they should be praising, merely on the basis of their SC2 performances. Seems like a bunch of esf "fanboys" (I hate this word) fall so easily to some troll bait. Do you really think the "kespa fanboys" are represented by singang, choisulli and maybe 5 or 10 other accounts here? Cmon, be a smart guy. On April 11 2013 04:23 jinorazi wrote:
i see more dysfuction with people taking this seriously o.O
You said it way better than me http://files.sharenator.com/LOL_I_TROLL_YOU-s755x1255-225553.pngI don't buy the troll bait card here. People have been saying shit like that ever since Kespa players have gotten involved in the scene, and they've been plenty sincere about it. If calling out ridiculous BW elitism (which has been a very real blight on this site - granted, it's also excellent troll material, but you can't fault people for taking it seriously when they see it, since troll BW elitism is pretty much indistinguishable from sincere BW elitism) for what it is makes me an ESF "fanboy", then so be it -_-;;
You have no idea what trolling means do you? So the notion of ESF fans is not foreign to you, but somehow BW and Kespa fans are trolls? Korean vs Foreigner, I root for the Koreans. Kespa vs ESF, I root for Kespa. I genuinely believe that the Kespa players train harder, are more talented, and have earned their reverence. I also think they are much funnier-- SPL youtube vids have been amazing.
I must be a huge fucking troll huh?
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On April 11 2013 03:52 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 23:08 sinigang wrote:On April 10 2013 22:56 slowbacontron wrote:
I saw plenty of esf fans in the previews for this group who claimed that Curious and MKP were easily going to win, probably because they hadn't paid any attention to the Kespa scene. But yes, it's the Kespa fans who come crowing over every frikkin' victory these days because Kespa is the cool thing to support, the "new" kids on the block (maybe an opportunity for the old fans to flaunt their superiority). I think a major reason this is happening is because KeSPA fans felt disrespected back in 2010 when new fans who only followed SC2 and eSF players started proclaiming new gods and heroes of StarCraft (which were mere B-teamers and punching bags in BW by the way). KeSPA fans couldn't stand that these players were freeloading in SC2 while their heroes were stuck playing BW and had to go through a long and tough transition period. Now that that's over and KeSPA is here to stay for good, the old school fans are seeking a sense of vindication. This will last until tournaments are dominantly represented by KeSPA (which includes KeSPA picking up straggling eSF pros). Do you realize how much of a douche you have to be to take offense because you expect someone who is a fan of game X to somehow give a shit about anything involving game Y, let alone show the level of respect you feel your game and players of your game are entitled to (hint: they're not)? Seems like a lot of Kespa fanboys can't get over the fact that SC2 and BW are entirely different games, and that a good amount of SC2 fans really don't care about BW. If SC3 came out years from now and there were a bunch of new fans following it and new players (perhaps unsuccessfuly ex-SC2 players) making a splash on the scene, I would find it completely unacceptable for me as an SC2 fan to start telling SC3 fans which players they should be praising, merely on the basis of their SC2 performances.
Imagine this, you are a big fan of Djokovic/Nadal/Murray/Federer in tennis. And then suddenly, all the tennis associations in the world decide that tennis should be played with laser balls, nets, steel courts, etc., so that the sport is now more interesting to the younger generation. However, Djokovic/Nadal/Murray/Federer and the other top players cannot transition asap since they're in the middle their current tourney, and tourneys using the new fancy stuff have already begun. Suddenly you see some unknown tennis players (who couldn't even get past elimination rounds before) win these new tourneys and get all the money and manufactured fame. But deep down, you feel in your heart that Djokovic/Nadal/Murray/Federer could do much much more in this game since they understand it more than anyone else and dominate after they've transitioned and had enough practice with the revised physics, surface, etc.
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On April 11 2013 07:18 sinigang wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 03:52 HolyArrow wrote:On April 10 2013 23:08 sinigang wrote:On April 10 2013 22:56 slowbacontron wrote:
I saw plenty of esf fans in the previews for this group who claimed that Curious and MKP were easily going to win, probably because they hadn't paid any attention to the Kespa scene. But yes, it's the Kespa fans who come crowing over every frikkin' victory these days because Kespa is the cool thing to support, the "new" kids on the block (maybe an opportunity for the old fans to flaunt their superiority). I think a major reason this is happening is because KeSPA fans felt disrespected back in 2010 when new fans who only followed SC2 and eSF players started proclaiming new gods and heroes of StarCraft (which were mere B-teamers and punching bags in BW by the way). KeSPA fans couldn't stand that these players were freeloading in SC2 while their heroes were stuck playing BW and had to go through a long and tough transition period. Now that that's over and KeSPA is here to stay for good, the old school fans are seeking a sense of vindication. This will last until tournaments are dominantly represented by KeSPA (which includes KeSPA picking up straggling eSF pros). Do you realize how much of a douche you have to be to take offense because you expect someone who is a fan of game X to somehow give a shit about anything involving game Y, let alone show the level of respect you feel your game and players of your game are entitled to (hint: they're not)? Seems like a lot of Kespa fanboys can't get over the fact that SC2 and BW are entirely different games, and that a good amount of SC2 fans really don't care about BW. If SC3 came out years from now and there were a bunch of new fans following it and new players (perhaps unsuccessfuly ex-SC2 players) making a splash on the scene, I would find it completely unacceptable for me as an SC2 fan to start telling SC3 fans which players they should be praising, merely on the basis of their SC2 performances. Imagine this, you are a big fan of Djokovic/Nadal/Murray/Federer in tennis. And then suddenly, all the tennis associations in the world decide that tennis should be played with laser balls, nets, steel courts, etc., so that the sport is now more interesting to the younger generation. However, Djokovic/Nadal/Murray/Federer and the other top players cannot transition asap since they're in the middle their current tourney, and tourneys using the new fancy stuff have already begun. Suddenly you see some unknown tennis players (who couldn't even get past elimination rounds before) win these new tourneys and get all the money and manufactured fame. But deep down, you feel in your heart that Djokovic/Nadal/Murray/Federer could do much much more in this game since they understand it more than anyone else and dominate after they've transitioned and had enough practice with the revised physics, surface, etc.
your hypothetical does nothing to advance your argument. It's just swapping names and games.
just that a group of players is dominant in one game doesn't mean they still will be in another new, albeit related, game.
You can, of course, hope that your favourites start winning again, but you can't assert that your picks are in any way 'deserving' of winning until they actually are winning in the new game.
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On April 11 2013 07:27 gobbledydook wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 07:18 sinigang wrote:On April 11 2013 03:52 HolyArrow wrote:On April 10 2013 23:08 sinigang wrote:On April 10 2013 22:56 slowbacontron wrote:
I saw plenty of esf fans in the previews for this group who claimed that Curious and MKP were easily going to win, probably because they hadn't paid any attention to the Kespa scene. But yes, it's the Kespa fans who come crowing over every frikkin' victory these days because Kespa is the cool thing to support, the "new" kids on the block (maybe an opportunity for the old fans to flaunt their superiority). I think a major reason this is happening is because KeSPA fans felt disrespected back in 2010 when new fans who only followed SC2 and eSF players started proclaiming new gods and heroes of StarCraft (which were mere B-teamers and punching bags in BW by the way). KeSPA fans couldn't stand that these players were freeloading in SC2 while their heroes were stuck playing BW and had to go through a long and tough transition period. Now that that's over and KeSPA is here to stay for good, the old school fans are seeking a sense of vindication. This will last until tournaments are dominantly represented by KeSPA (which includes KeSPA picking up straggling eSF pros). Do you realize how much of a douche you have to be to take offense because you expect someone who is a fan of game X to somehow give a shit about anything involving game Y, let alone show the level of respect you feel your game and players of your game are entitled to (hint: they're not)? Seems like a lot of Kespa fanboys can't get over the fact that SC2 and BW are entirely different games, and that a good amount of SC2 fans really don't care about BW. If SC3 came out years from now and there were a bunch of new fans following it and new players (perhaps unsuccessfuly ex-SC2 players) making a splash on the scene, I would find it completely unacceptable for me as an SC2 fan to start telling SC3 fans which players they should be praising, merely on the basis of their SC2 performances. Imagine this, you are a big fan of Djokovic/Nadal/Murray/Federer in tennis. And then suddenly, all the tennis associations in the world decide that tennis should be played with laser balls, nets, steel courts, etc., so that the sport is now more interesting to the younger generation. However, Djokovic/Nadal/Murray/Federer and the other top players cannot transition asap since they're in the middle their current tourney, and tourneys using the new fancy stuff have already begun. Suddenly you see some unknown tennis players (who couldn't even get past elimination rounds before) win these new tourneys and get all the money and manufactured fame. But deep down, you feel in your heart that Djokovic/Nadal/Murray/Federer could do much much more in this game since they understand it more than anyone else and dominate after they've transitioned and had enough practice with the revised physics, surface, etc. your hypothetical does nothing to advance your argument. It's just swapping names and games. just that a group of players is dominant in one game doesn't mean they still will be in another new, albeit related, game. You can, of course, hope that your favourites start winning again, but you can't assert that your picks are in any way 'deserving' of winning until they actually are winning in the new game.
Being legendary players in a game that IS by far harder makes you more deserving, I'm sorry.
And don't know what you're talking about really. Best Toss and Terran in the world are kespa, and Kespa Zerg just won last GSL.
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My strategy of liquibetting Kespa players every time is working out pretty well so far.
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this proves the elephant does exist. HOTS was a fresh start for all. no excuses. kespa>ESF
source: i grew up watching both scenes
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On April 11 2013 07:31 waylander_ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 07:27 gobbledydook wrote:On April 11 2013 07:18 sinigang wrote:On April 11 2013 03:52 HolyArrow wrote:On April 10 2013 23:08 sinigang wrote:On April 10 2013 22:56 slowbacontron wrote:
I saw plenty of esf fans in the previews for this group who claimed that Curious and MKP were easily going to win, probably because they hadn't paid any attention to the Kespa scene. But yes, it's the Kespa fans who come crowing over every frikkin' victory these days because Kespa is the cool thing to support, the "new" kids on the block (maybe an opportunity for the old fans to flaunt their superiority). I think a major reason this is happening is because KeSPA fans felt disrespected back in 2010 when new fans who only followed SC2 and eSF players started proclaiming new gods and heroes of StarCraft (which were mere B-teamers and punching bags in BW by the way). KeSPA fans couldn't stand that these players were freeloading in SC2 while their heroes were stuck playing BW and had to go through a long and tough transition period. Now that that's over and KeSPA is here to stay for good, the old school fans are seeking a sense of vindication. This will last until tournaments are dominantly represented by KeSPA (which includes KeSPA picking up straggling eSF pros). Do you realize how much of a douche you have to be to take offense because you expect someone who is a fan of game X to somehow give a shit about anything involving game Y, let alone show the level of respect you feel your game and players of your game are entitled to (hint: they're not)? Seems like a lot of Kespa fanboys can't get over the fact that SC2 and BW are entirely different games, and that a good amount of SC2 fans really don't care about BW. If SC3 came out years from now and there were a bunch of new fans following it and new players (perhaps unsuccessfuly ex-SC2 players) making a splash on the scene, I would find it completely unacceptable for me as an SC2 fan to start telling SC3 fans which players they should be praising, merely on the basis of their SC2 performances. Imagine this, you are a big fan of Djokovic/Nadal/Murray/Federer in tennis. And then suddenly, all the tennis associations in the world decide that tennis should be played with laser balls, nets, steel courts, etc., so that the sport is now more interesting to the younger generation. However, Djokovic/Nadal/Murray/Federer and the other top players cannot transition asap since they're in the middle their current tourney, and tourneys using the new fancy stuff have already begun. Suddenly you see some unknown tennis players (who couldn't even get past elimination rounds before) win these new tourneys and get all the money and manufactured fame. But deep down, you feel in your heart that Djokovic/Nadal/Murray/Federer could do much much more in this game since they understand it more than anyone else and dominate after they've transitioned and had enough practice with the revised physics, surface, etc. your hypothetical does nothing to advance your argument. It's just swapping names and games. just that a group of players is dominant in one game doesn't mean they still will be in another new, albeit related, game. You can, of course, hope that your favourites start winning again, but you can't assert that your picks are in any way 'deserving' of winning until they actually are winning in the new game. Being legendary players in a game that IS by far harder makes you more deserving, I'm sorry. And don't know what you're talking about really. Best Toss and Terran in the world are kespa, and Kespa Zerg just won last GSL.
That go is harder than reversi doesn't mean go masters are automatically better in reversi.
i'm done talking to you. you make no sense and i never implied the skill level of any particular player so i don't even know why you are so defensive.
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On April 11 2013 07:43 BlackGosu wrote:
this proves the elephant does exist. HOTS was a fresh start for all. no excuses. kespa>ESF
source: i grew up watching both scenes
There are still a lot of Code S groups to be played though, but I do hope this Code S season will have the story line: "KeSPA purges Code S of impurities." lol 
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On April 11 2013 08:13 gobbledydook wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 07:31 waylander_ wrote:On April 11 2013 07:27 gobbledydook wrote:On April 11 2013 07:18 sinigang wrote:On April 11 2013 03:52 HolyArrow wrote:On April 10 2013 23:08 sinigang wrote:On April 10 2013 22:56 slowbacontron wrote:
I saw plenty of esf fans in the previews for this group who claimed that Curious and MKP were easily going to win, probably because they hadn't paid any attention to the Kespa scene. But yes, it's the Kespa fans who come crowing over every frikkin' victory these days because Kespa is the cool thing to support, the "new" kids on the block (maybe an opportunity for the old fans to flaunt their superiority). I think a major reason this is happening is because KeSPA fans felt disrespected back in 2010 when new fans who only followed SC2 and eSF players started proclaiming new gods and heroes of StarCraft (which were mere B-teamers and punching bags in BW by the way). KeSPA fans couldn't stand that these players were freeloading in SC2 while their heroes were stuck playing BW and had to go through a long and tough transition period. Now that that's over and KeSPA is here to stay for good, the old school fans are seeking a sense of vindication. This will last until tournaments are dominantly represented by KeSPA (which includes KeSPA picking up straggling eSF pros). Do you realize how much of a douche you have to be to take offense because you expect someone who is a fan of game X to somehow give a shit about anything involving game Y, let alone show the level of respect you feel your game and players of your game are entitled to (hint: they're not)? Seems like a lot of Kespa fanboys can't get over the fact that SC2 and BW are entirely different games, and that a good amount of SC2 fans really don't care about BW. If SC3 came out years from now and there were a bunch of new fans following it and new players (perhaps unsuccessfuly ex-SC2 players) making a splash on the scene, I would find it completely unacceptable for me as an SC2 fan to start telling SC3 fans which players they should be praising, merely on the basis of their SC2 performances. Imagine this, you are a big fan of Djokovic/Nadal/Murray/Federer in tennis. And then suddenly, all the tennis associations in the world decide that tennis should be played with laser balls, nets, steel courts, etc., so that the sport is now more interesting to the younger generation. However, Djokovic/Nadal/Murray/Federer and the other top players cannot transition asap since they're in the middle their current tourney, and tourneys using the new fancy stuff have already begun. Suddenly you see some unknown tennis players (who couldn't even get past elimination rounds before) win these new tourneys and get all the money and manufactured fame. But deep down, you feel in your heart that Djokovic/Nadal/Murray/Federer could do much much more in this game since they understand it more than anyone else and dominate after they've transitioned and had enough practice with the revised physics, surface, etc. your hypothetical does nothing to advance your argument. It's just swapping names and games. just that a group of players is dominant in one game doesn't mean they still will be in another new, albeit related, game. You can, of course, hope that your favourites start winning again, but you can't assert that your picks are in any way 'deserving' of winning until they actually are winning in the new game. Being legendary players in a game that IS by far harder makes you more deserving, I'm sorry. And don't know what you're talking about really. Best Toss and Terran in the world are kespa, and Kespa Zerg just won last GSL. That go is harder than reversi doesn't mean go masters are automatically better in reversi. i'm done talking to you. you make no sense and i never implied the skill level of any particular player so i don't even know why you are so defensive.
Kespa players have already proven they are better, so I guess I just don't really see your argument is all.
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On April 11 2013 07:31 waylander_ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 07:27 gobbledydook wrote:On April 11 2013 07:18 sinigang wrote:On April 11 2013 03:52 HolyArrow wrote:On April 10 2013 23:08 sinigang wrote:On April 10 2013 22:56 slowbacontron wrote:
I saw plenty of esf fans in the previews for this group who claimed that Curious and MKP were easily going to win, probably because they hadn't paid any attention to the Kespa scene. But yes, it's the Kespa fans who come crowing over every frikkin' victory these days because Kespa is the cool thing to support, the "new" kids on the block (maybe an opportunity for the old fans to flaunt their superiority). I think a major reason this is happening is because KeSPA fans felt disrespected back in 2010 when new fans who only followed SC2 and eSF players started proclaiming new gods and heroes of StarCraft (which were mere B-teamers and punching bags in BW by the way). KeSPA fans couldn't stand that these players were freeloading in SC2 while their heroes were stuck playing BW and had to go through a long and tough transition period. Now that that's over and KeSPA is here to stay for good, the old school fans are seeking a sense of vindication. This will last until tournaments are dominantly represented by KeSPA (which includes KeSPA picking up straggling eSF pros). Do you realize how much of a douche you have to be to take offense because you expect someone who is a fan of game X to somehow give a shit about anything involving game Y, let alone show the level of respect you feel your game and players of your game are entitled to (hint: they're not)? Seems like a lot of Kespa fanboys can't get over the fact that SC2 and BW are entirely different games, and that a good amount of SC2 fans really don't care about BW. If SC3 came out years from now and there were a bunch of new fans following it and new players (perhaps unsuccessfuly ex-SC2 players) making a splash on the scene, I would find it completely unacceptable for me as an SC2 fan to start telling SC3 fans which players they should be praising, merely on the basis of their SC2 performances. Imagine this, you are a big fan of Djokovic/Nadal/Murray/Federer in tennis. And then suddenly, all the tennis associations in the world decide that tennis should be played with laser balls, nets, steel courts, etc., so that the sport is now more interesting to the younger generation. However, Djokovic/Nadal/Murray/Federer and the other top players cannot transition asap since they're in the middle their current tourney, and tourneys using the new fancy stuff have already begun. Suddenly you see some unknown tennis players (who couldn't even get past elimination rounds before) win these new tourneys and get all the money and manufactured fame. But deep down, you feel in your heart that Djokovic/Nadal/Murray/Federer could do much much more in this game since they understand it more than anyone else and dominate after they've transitioned and had enough practice with the revised physics, surface, etc. your hypothetical does nothing to advance your argument. It's just swapping names and games. just that a group of players is dominant in one game doesn't mean they still will be in another new, albeit related, game. You can, of course, hope that your favourites start winning again, but you can't assert that your picks are in any way 'deserving' of winning until they actually are winning in the new game. Being legendary players in a game that IS by far harder makes you more deserving, I'm sorry. And don't know what you're talking about really. Best Toss and Terran in the world are kespa, and Kespa Zerg just won last GSL.
who is the best toss terran now?
i assume you're speaking of s.j.park
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On April 11 2013 08:25 jinorazi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 07:31 waylander_ wrote:On April 11 2013 07:27 gobbledydook wrote:On April 11 2013 07:18 sinigang wrote:On April 11 2013 03:52 HolyArrow wrote:On April 10 2013 23:08 sinigang wrote:On April 10 2013 22:56 slowbacontron wrote:
I saw plenty of esf fans in the previews for this group who claimed that Curious and MKP were easily going to win, probably because they hadn't paid any attention to the Kespa scene. But yes, it's the Kespa fans who come crowing over every frikkin' victory these days because Kespa is the cool thing to support, the "new" kids on the block (maybe an opportunity for the old fans to flaunt their superiority). I think a major reason this is happening is because KeSPA fans felt disrespected back in 2010 when new fans who only followed SC2 and eSF players started proclaiming new gods and heroes of StarCraft (which were mere B-teamers and punching bags in BW by the way). KeSPA fans couldn't stand that these players were freeloading in SC2 while their heroes were stuck playing BW and had to go through a long and tough transition period. Now that that's over and KeSPA is here to stay for good, the old school fans are seeking a sense of vindication. This will last until tournaments are dominantly represented by KeSPA (which includes KeSPA picking up straggling eSF pros). Do you realize how much of a douche you have to be to take offense because you expect someone who is a fan of game X to somehow give a shit about anything involving game Y, let alone show the level of respect you feel your game and players of your game are entitled to (hint: they're not)? Seems like a lot of Kespa fanboys can't get over the fact that SC2 and BW are entirely different games, and that a good amount of SC2 fans really don't care about BW. If SC3 came out years from now and there were a bunch of new fans following it and new players (perhaps unsuccessfuly ex-SC2 players) making a splash on the scene, I would find it completely unacceptable for me as an SC2 fan to start telling SC3 fans which players they should be praising, merely on the basis of their SC2 performances. Imagine this, you are a big fan of Djokovic/Nadal/Murray/Federer in tennis. And then suddenly, all the tennis associations in the world decide that tennis should be played with laser balls, nets, steel courts, etc., so that the sport is now more interesting to the younger generation. However, Djokovic/Nadal/Murray/Federer and the other top players cannot transition asap since they're in the middle their current tourney, and tourneys using the new fancy stuff have already begun. Suddenly you see some unknown tennis players (who couldn't even get past elimination rounds before) win these new tourneys and get all the money and manufactured fame. But deep down, you feel in your heart that Djokovic/Nadal/Murray/Federer could do much much more in this game since they understand it more than anyone else and dominate after they've transitioned and had enough practice with the revised physics, surface, etc. your hypothetical does nothing to advance your argument. It's just swapping names and games. just that a group of players is dominant in one game doesn't mean they still will be in another new, albeit related, game. You can, of course, hope that your favourites start winning again, but you can't assert that your picks are in any way 'deserving' of winning until they actually are winning in the new game. Being legendary players in a game that IS by far harder makes you more deserving, I'm sorry. And don't know what you're talking about really. Best Toss and Terran in the world are kespa, and Kespa Zerg just won last GSL. who is the best toss terran now? i assume you're speaking of c. park
Terran isn't really debatable. It's Innovation or Flash. Rain has shown the best Toss play in HOTS.
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On April 11 2013 07:43 BlackGosu wrote:
this proves the elephant does exist. HOTS was a fresh start for all. no excuses. kespa>ESF
source: i grew up watching both scenes
lol..You don't work in science do you ? :p
I also don't see how your "source" has anything to do with your "proof".
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On April 10 2013 22:55 s3rp wrote:
Personally i thought the quality of games wasn't that great today. Even the guys that advanced looked pretty meh . Especially Soo in the ZvP . But it was one of the weaker groups anyway. Nobody here i even consider close to a contender.
I considered sOs a contender for the title before this group was played and nothing about his play in this group changed my opinion about his skill level.
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On April 11 2013 07:02 waylander_ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 05:17 HolyArrow wrote:On April 11 2013 04:24 Taipoka wrote:On April 11 2013 03:52 HolyArrow wrote:On April 10 2013 23:08 sinigang wrote:On April 10 2013 22:56 slowbacontron wrote:
I saw plenty of esf fans in the previews for this group who claimed that Curious and MKP were easily going to win, probably because they hadn't paid any attention to the Kespa scene. But yes, it's the Kespa fans who come crowing over every frikkin' victory these days because Kespa is the cool thing to support, the "new" kids on the block (maybe an opportunity for the old fans to flaunt their superiority). I think a major reason this is happening is because KeSPA fans felt disrespected back in 2010 when new fans who only followed SC2 and eSF players started proclaiming new gods and heroes of StarCraft (which were mere B-teamers and punching bags in BW by the way). KeSPA fans couldn't stand that these players were freeloading in SC2 while their heroes were stuck playing BW and had to go through a long and tough transition period. Now that that's over and KeSPA is here to stay for good, the old school fans are seeking a sense of vindication. This will last until tournaments are dominantly represented by KeSPA (which includes KeSPA picking up straggling eSF pros). Do you realize how much of a douche you have to be to take offense because you expect someone who is a fan of game X to somehow give a shit about anything involving game Y, let alone show the level of respect you feel your game and players of your game are entitled to (hint: they're not)? Seems like a lot of Kespa fanboys can't get over the fact that SC2 and BW are entirely different games, and that a good amount of SC2 fans really don't care about BW. If SC3 came out years from now and there were a bunch of new fans following it and new players (perhaps unsuccessfuly ex-SC2 players) making a splash on the scene, I would find it completely unacceptable for me as an SC2 fan to start telling SC3 fans which players they should be praising, merely on the basis of their SC2 performances. Seems like a bunch of esf "fanboys" (I hate this word) fall so easily to some troll bait. Do you really think the "kespa fanboys" are represented by singang, choisulli and maybe 5 or 10 other accounts here? Cmon, be a smart guy. On April 11 2013 04:23 jinorazi wrote:
i see more dysfuction with people taking this seriously o.O
You said it way better than me http://files.sharenator.com/LOL_I_TROLL_YOU-s755x1255-225553.pngI don't buy the troll bait card here. People have been saying shit like that ever since Kespa players have gotten involved in the scene, and they've been plenty sincere about it. If calling out ridiculous BW elitism (which has been a very real blight on this site - granted, it's also excellent troll material, but you can't fault people for taking it seriously when they see it, since troll BW elitism is pretty much indistinguishable from sincere BW elitism) for what it is makes me an ESF "fanboy", then so be it -_-;; You have no idea what trolling means do you? So the notion of ESF fans is not foreign to you, but somehow BW and Kespa fans are trolls? Korean vs Foreigner, I root for the Koreans. Kespa vs ESF, I root for Kespa. I genuinely believe that the Kespa players train harder, are more talented, and have earned their reverence. I also think they are much funnier-- SPL youtube vids have been amazing. I must be a huge fucking troll huh?
Lol way to put words in my mouth. Reread my original reply to sinigang, in which I was addressing something completely different from what you're talking about. I never said anything about how merely being a Kespa fan makes you a troll. Save your righteous indignation for when you actually read posts carefully.
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grats to sos and soo. results were really not unexpected from this group 
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I really can't believe that ESF vs KESPA shit is still being talked about.
NOBODY CARES
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After reading through the thread I want to give my perspective on kespa vs esf. I most definitely root for even the most obscure kespa player over my favorite esf players. Why? I am not someone who greatly followed the bw scene like some of these guys but I did play bw off and on(terribly) for years and when I finally found videos and replays of pro bw play I was blown away. Everything I had ever done in bw was massively wrong. I knew from experience how hard the game was to control and I saw people doing 100x the things I could do in the game. I learned of the extensive training, the coaching, the difficulty it took to break out in that game and was convinced it was the most impressive thing I have ever seen in gaming. After sc2 came out I primarily watched it but I felt the bw pros were the better players, though I still enjoyed the hell out of sc2. With people saying stuff like "different game different skills" and "totally new game" that annoys the hell out of me. It is not a totally new game, it a sequel very similar to the original with many of the same skills and some new ones. Ultimately it is about justifying my original view and every tiny increase in kespa skill and improvement in results until there is nothing but kespa in gsl, osl, etc is extremely exciting to me. If they do finally reach that state ill lose a small bit of my interest but oh well, in the mean time, I want to be proven right and wanting to be proven right is a powerful motivator.
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