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On April 11 2013 01:09 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 00:41 ChoiSulli wrote:On April 10 2013 23:32 Shellshock1122 wrote:
why do people care about kespa or esf. it doesnt fucking matter Oh it matters. I despise anyone that is a fan of ESF. I think BW is superior in every way over SC2 and that KESPA players are the best RTS players. So by them crushing ESF guys I think it validates my believe. Its one of the main reasons I follow the SC2 scene. I also dont get why people get upset when someone posts about one or the other superiority. Thats the kind of stuff that makes rooting for sports so fun. As long as its done in a not in your face way, I dont see anything wrong with it. I would love to have SC2 get to a point where you go to a live event, and some players actually get booed and stuff (minus of course flash cause thats just not cool). But yeah it matters to some of us, I'll never ever root for ESF and wont be satisfied till they all go back to being B-team dishwashers, harsh I know, but its how I feel. The fuck. There's no "Team Kespa" and "Team ESF". If you want to support a team, then support an actual team, not a side in some made up conflict between two associations based on politics. Kespa has existed for like a decade so far, and I don't think I've ever seen anybody on TL calling himself a "Kespa fan" until last year. If you want to talk about how superior SKT is, I'm sure nobody will have a problem with it. Well, SKT is obviously superior, so that makes sense. But I guess you could also talk about how superior KT is, and nobody will have a problem with it. They'll just see you as slightly misguided. 
Well, I, and many others, rooted for Koreans over foreigners because they were the better players and I guess we were "elitists" (I root for the Yankees too!). Now, I root for Kespa over the ESF players I used to cheer for because I feel they are the better players.
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On April 11 2013 01:09 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 00:41 ChoiSulli wrote:On April 10 2013 23:32 Shellshock1122 wrote:
why do people care about kespa or esf. it doesnt fucking matter Oh it matters. I despise anyone that is a fan of ESF. I think BW is superior in every way over SC2 and that KESPA players are the best RTS players. So by them crushing ESF guys I think it validates my believe. Its one of the main reasons I follow the SC2 scene. I also dont get why people get upset when someone posts about one or the other superiority. Thats the kind of stuff that makes rooting for sports so fun. As long as its done in a not in your face way, I dont see anything wrong with it. I would love to have SC2 get to a point where you go to a live event, and some players actually get booed and stuff (minus of course flash cause thats just not cool). But yeah it matters to some of us, I'll never ever root for ESF and wont be satisfied till they all go back to being B-team dishwashers, harsh I know, but its how I feel. The fuck. There's no "Team Kespa" and "Team ESF". If you want to support a team, then support an actual team, not a side in some made up conflict between two associations based on politics. Kespa has existed for like a decade so far, and I don't think I've ever seen anybody on TL calling himself a "Kespa fan" until last year. If you want to talk about how superior SKT is, I'm sure nobody will have a problem with it. Well, SKT is obviously superior, so that makes sense. But I guess you could also talk about how superior KT is, and nobody will have a problem with it. They'll just see you as slightly misguided.
On April 11 2013 00:55 Merfyn wrote:
kespa dominating? LOOOL 4/15 players that qualified for Day 1 of Challenger tier were Kespa, surely if kespa were dominating, it would be morel ike 9+
What we saw today was a MKP got dominated by a zerg and a protoss, nothing else. This group was very weak overall and HotS is still a new game. Lets wait a few months before shouting bloody mary about who is dominating etc.
Damn dudes, sounds like this is 2kespa4u
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u youngsters need to calm down -_- all these circle jerks about kespa / esf mindboggling boring
sad for mkp but seems he is not good enough
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wow maybe shy was expected, but soo? dang
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France13011 Posts
Why MKP T.T.
Early 2012 was so easy :/.
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I missed sOs's games : (
Is there a rebroadcast?
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Quite surprised Curious failed in ZvZ with a 0-4 against soo. He was one of the best at the match up in WoL, and he has Life to practice with. Maybe Hots changed the game a lot for him.
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On April 11 2013 00:29 s3rp wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 23:52 Giriath wrote:On April 10 2013 23:46 s3rp wrote:
Anyone claiming Kespa >>> eSF after today needs to shut the hell up . The play of the whole group overall was pretty weak even sOs that pretty much dominated the group did not look that solid. If someone puts him at #1 Prtoss after this than thats just sad. I don't care about KesPA vs. eSF but I'd like for you to substantiate your claim that it's sad to rank sOs as #1 Protoss. What did he do today and in his SPL match against JYP that he could have done better? Who would you rank above him, and what they do better than him? Usually when i see a great player i see something that wow's me . Something he does extraordinarily well . I just don't see it in sOs . He's pretty good but he doesn't strike me as a special player. He won today builds that most likely his opponents haven't faced before . Soo and MKP both really didn't properly react . In term of who's #1 Toss ? I don't know . Can't say i think there's a definitive number #1 . Hell it could be sOs but if he is i don't think it's going to stay that we because i don't think the way he won today has sustainability. Btw i barely watch SPL it's in the middle of the night and Whiplash and Supernovamaniac are .... well not so good. I also barely watch VOD's . If it's not live i won't watch it.
It's the round of 32 of the first hots GSL. It's too early for discussion on who's #1 of any race really (even claiming Life to be the "king of zerg" is premature). I share the same sentiment about sos though. He played well, but not well enough to convince me he'll make it any further than the next round. I still feel that Rain is a better player overall.
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On April 11 2013 02:30 Steins;Gate wrote:
I missed sOs's games : (
Is there a rebroadcast?
I have never seen a GSL rebroadcast. You're gonna have to buy a ticket and watch the VODs.
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On April 11 2013 02:31 Ctesias wrote:
Quite surprised Curious failed in ZvZ with a 0-4 against soo. He was one of the best at the match up in WoL, and he has Life to practice with. Maybe Hots changed the game a lot for him.
HotS ZvZ has nothing in common with WoL ZvZ. And Life wasn't the best ZvZ player to begin with in WoL and I doubt that his aggressive style will do him any good when all that counts is to mine from 6gases earlier.
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On April 11 2013 00:41 ChoiSulli wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 23:32 Shellshock1122 wrote:
why do people care about kespa or esf. it doesnt fucking matter Oh it matters. I despise anyone that is a fan of ESF. I think BW is superior in every way over SC2 and that KESPA players are the best RTS players. So by them crushing ESF guys I think it validates my believe. Its one of the main reasons I follow the SC2 scene. I also dont get why people get upset when someone posts about one or the other superiority. Thats the kind of stuff that makes rooting for sports so fun. As long as its done in a not in your face way, I dont see anything wrong with it. I would love to have SC2 get to a point where you go to a live event, and some players actually get booed and stuff (minus of course flash cause thats just not cool). But yeah it matters to some of us, I'll never ever root for ESF and wont be satisfied till they all go back to being B-team dishwashers, harsh I know, but its how I feel. this attitude is exactly what ruined following soccer seriously for me.
I sincerely hope it extincts.
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On April 11 2013 01:09 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 00:41 ChoiSulli wrote:On April 10 2013 23:32 Shellshock1122 wrote:
why do people care about kespa or esf. it doesnt fucking matter Oh it matters. I despise anyone that is a fan of ESF. I think BW is superior in every way over SC2 and that KESPA players are the best RTS players. So by them crushing ESF guys I think it validates my believe. Its one of the main reasons I follow the SC2 scene. I also dont get why people get upset when someone posts about one or the other superiority. Thats the kind of stuff that makes rooting for sports so fun. As long as its done in a not in your face way, I dont see anything wrong with it. I would love to have SC2 get to a point where you go to a live event, and some players actually get booed and stuff (minus of course flash cause thats just not cool). But yeah it matters to some of us, I'll never ever root for ESF and wont be satisfied till they all go back to being B-team dishwashers, harsh I know, but its how I feel. The fuck. There's no "Team Kespa" and "Team ESF". If you want to support a team, then support an actual team, not a side in some made up conflict between two associations based on politics. Kespa has existed for like a decade so far, and I don't think I've ever seen anybody on TL calling himself a "Kespa fan" until last year. If you want to talk about how superior SKT is, I'm sure nobody will have a problem with it. Well, SKT is obviously superior, so that makes sense. But I guess you could also talk about how superior KT is, and nobody will have a problem with it. They'll just see you as slightly misguided.
Ye but I just dont have the same hate for SKT as I do for ESF. Best is my most hated BW player but I would still root for him over any of the ESF guys. A lot of the anger and dislike I have for ESF has more to do with BW then anything else. Grew up on BW, prefer BW, had to see it replaced by SCII. I can identify with KESPA and BW a lot more. I feel that a lot of ESF fans dont know anything about BW its history etc. I also think that by KESPA guys dominating, it will mean BW is the harder game, I dont really know why I think that. Cause in one way it would mean the same players were able to dominate both game, hence sc2 must be a pretty hard game as well. In any event, Im just trying to shed some light as to where the hate for ESF stems from and the rabid fanboyism for KESPA. I guess I'm an elitist but I think anyone that grew up on BW would be. Its very personal to me. Im not saying its right or healthy, but thats just how I feel
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On April 11 2013 03:44 ChoiSulli wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 01:09 Talin wrote:On April 11 2013 00:41 ChoiSulli wrote:On April 10 2013 23:32 Shellshock1122 wrote:
why do people care about kespa or esf. it doesnt fucking matter Oh it matters. I despise anyone that is a fan of ESF. I think BW is superior in every way over SC2 and that KESPA players are the best RTS players. So by them crushing ESF guys I think it validates my believe. Its one of the main reasons I follow the SC2 scene. I also dont get why people get upset when someone posts about one or the other superiority. Thats the kind of stuff that makes rooting for sports so fun. As long as its done in a not in your face way, I dont see anything wrong with it. I would love to have SC2 get to a point where you go to a live event, and some players actually get booed and stuff (minus of course flash cause thats just not cool). But yeah it matters to some of us, I'll never ever root for ESF and wont be satisfied till they all go back to being B-team dishwashers, harsh I know, but its how I feel. The fuck. There's no "Team Kespa" and "Team ESF". If you want to support a team, then support an actual team, not a side in some made up conflict between two associations based on politics. Kespa has existed for like a decade so far, and I don't think I've ever seen anybody on TL calling himself a "Kespa fan" until last year. If you want to talk about how superior SKT is, I'm sure nobody will have a problem with it. Well, SKT is obviously superior, so that makes sense. But I guess you could also talk about how superior KT is, and nobody will have a problem with it. They'll just see you as slightly misguided. Ye but I just dont have the same hate for SKT as I do for ESF. Best is my most hated BW player but I would still root for him over any of the ESF guys. A lot of the anger and dislike I have for ESF has more to do with BW then anything else. Grew up on BW, prefer BW, had to see it replaced by SCII. I can identify with KESPA and BW a lot more. I feel that a lot of ESF fans dont know anything about BW its history etc. I also think that by KESPA guys dominating, it will mean BW is the harder game, I dont really know why I think that. Cause in one way it would mean the same players were able to dominate both game, hence sc2 must be a pretty hard game as well. In any event, Im just trying to shed some light as to where the hate for ESF stems from and the rabid fanboyism for KESPA. I guess I'm an elitist but I think anyone that grew up on BW would be. Its very personal to me. Im not saying its right or healthy, but thats just how I feel
sight.. i never watched broodwar, but that doesnt mean im anti-kespa and an "ESF fanboy". This "War of the E-sport Organizations" is completley alien to me and i wish people would stop discussing it.
I root for players and teams, i dont care about ESF vs KESPA. i dont even think the players acknowledge or are even aware of this supposed "Rivalry", it only exists on this forum.
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On April 10 2013 23:08 sinigang wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 22:56 slowbacontron wrote:
I saw plenty of esf fans in the previews for this group who claimed that Curious and MKP were easily going to win, probably because they hadn't paid any attention to the Kespa scene. But yes, it's the Kespa fans who come crowing over every frikkin' victory these days because Kespa is the cool thing to support, the "new" kids on the block (maybe an opportunity for the old fans to flaunt their superiority). I think a major reason this is happening is because KeSPA fans felt disrespected back in 2010 when new fans who only followed SC2 and eSF players started proclaiming new gods and heroes of StarCraft (which were mere B-teamers and punching bags in BW by the way). KeSPA fans couldn't stand that these players were freeloading in SC2 while their heroes were stuck playing BW and had to go through a long and tough transition period. Now that that's over and KeSPA is here to stay for good, the old school fans are seeking a sense of vindication. This will last until tournaments are dominantly represented by KeSPA (which includes KeSPA picking up straggling eSF pros). 
Do you realize how much of a douche you have to be to take offense because you expect someone who is a fan of game X to somehow give a shit about anything involving game Y, let alone show the level of respect you feel your game and players of your game are entitled to (hint: they're not)? Seems like a lot of Kespa fanboys can't get over the fact that SC2 and BW are entirely different games, and that a good amount of SC2 fans really don't care about BW.
If SC3 came out years from now and there were a bunch of new fans following it and new players (perhaps unsuccessfuly ex-SC2 players) making a splash on the scene, I would find it completely unacceptable for me as an SC2 fan to start telling SC3 fans which players they should be praising, merely on the basis of their SC2 performances.
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its only natural for people to take sides since bw fans grew up watching kespa meanwhile sc2 fans have no idea or dont care about bw and follow esf because thats what they "grew up" with.
and to be honest a lot of bw fans dont want to be associated with some ignorant sc2 fans, not the majority just the few baddies here and there.
i see more dysfuction with people taking this seriously o.O
i kinda see it as bw fans being seniors and sc2 fans being a freshmen...and freshmen dont have much status in the world yet they're telling their seniors to go fuck themselves because we dont care for you and your old ways. i mean shit, "go back to your bw forums" is really annoying to hear, it feels like bw fans are old senile people that is being tossed away instead of being cared for.
this aint bw or sc2, its STARCRAFT.
if bw players can't criticize sc2 (that so many sc2 people seem to be annoyed by), who can?
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On April 11 2013 03:44 ChoiSulli wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 01:09 Talin wrote:On April 11 2013 00:41 ChoiSulli wrote:On April 10 2013 23:32 Shellshock1122 wrote:
why do people care about kespa or esf. it doesnt fucking matter Oh it matters. I despise anyone that is a fan of ESF. I think BW is superior in every way over SC2 and that KESPA players are the best RTS players. So by them crushing ESF guys I think it validates my believe. Its one of the main reasons I follow the SC2 scene. I also dont get why people get upset when someone posts about one or the other superiority. Thats the kind of stuff that makes rooting for sports so fun. As long as its done in a not in your face way, I dont see anything wrong with it. I would love to have SC2 get to a point where you go to a live event, and some players actually get booed and stuff (minus of course flash cause thats just not cool). But yeah it matters to some of us, I'll never ever root for ESF and wont be satisfied till they all go back to being B-team dishwashers, harsh I know, but its how I feel. The fuck. There's no "Team Kespa" and "Team ESF". If you want to support a team, then support an actual team, not a side in some made up conflict between two associations based on politics. Kespa has existed for like a decade so far, and I don't think I've ever seen anybody on TL calling himself a "Kespa fan" until last year. If you want to talk about how superior SKT is, I'm sure nobody will have a problem with it. Well, SKT is obviously superior, so that makes sense. But I guess you could also talk about how superior KT is, and nobody will have a problem with it. They'll just see you as slightly misguided. Ye but I just dont have the same hate for SKT as I do for ESF. Best is my most hated BW player but I would still root for him over any of the ESF guys. A lot of the anger and dislike I have for ESF has more to do with BW then anything else. Grew up on BW, prefer BW, had to see it replaced by SCII. I can identify with KESPA and BW a lot more. I feel that a lot of ESF fans dont know anything about BW its history etc. I also think that by KESPA guys dominating, it will mean BW is the harder game, I dont really know why I think that. Cause in one way it would mean the same players were able to dominate both game, hence sc2 must be a pretty hard game as well. In any event, Im just trying to shed some light as to where the hate for ESF stems from and the rabid fanboyism for KESPA. I guess I'm an elitist but I think anyone that grew up on BW would be. Its very personal to me. Im not saying its right or healthy, but thats just how I feel
I hate people like you. I'm not saying it's right but that's just how I feel.
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On April 11 2013 03:52 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 23:08 sinigang wrote:On April 10 2013 22:56 slowbacontron wrote:
I saw plenty of esf fans in the previews for this group who claimed that Curious and MKP were easily going to win, probably because they hadn't paid any attention to the Kespa scene. But yes, it's the Kespa fans who come crowing over every frikkin' victory these days because Kespa is the cool thing to support, the "new" kids on the block (maybe an opportunity for the old fans to flaunt their superiority). I think a major reason this is happening is because KeSPA fans felt disrespected back in 2010 when new fans who only followed SC2 and eSF players started proclaiming new gods and heroes of StarCraft (which were mere B-teamers and punching bags in BW by the way). KeSPA fans couldn't stand that these players were freeloading in SC2 while their heroes were stuck playing BW and had to go through a long and tough transition period. Now that that's over and KeSPA is here to stay for good, the old school fans are seeking a sense of vindication. This will last until tournaments are dominantly represented by KeSPA (which includes KeSPA picking up straggling eSF pros). Do you realize how much of a douche you have to be to take offense because you expect someone who is a fan of game X to somehow give a shit about anything involving game Y, let alone show the level of respect you feel your game and players of your game are entitled to (hint: they're not)? Seems like a lot of Kespa fanboys can't get over the fact that SC2 and BW are entirely different games, and that a good amount of SC2 fans really don't care about BW. If SC3 came out years from now and there were a bunch of new fans following it and new players (perhaps unsuccessfuly ex-SC2 players) making a splash on the scene, I would find it completely unacceptable for me as an SC2 fan to start telling SC3 fans which players they should be praising, merely on the basis of their SC2 performances.
Seems like a bunch of esf "fanboys" (I hate this word) fall so easily to some troll bait.
Do you really think the "kespa fanboys" are represented by singang, choisulli and maybe 5 or 10 other accounts here?
Cmon, be a smart guy.
On April 11 2013 04:23 jinorazi wrote:
i see more dysfuction with people taking this seriously o.O
You said it way better than me
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On April 11 2013 04:24 Taipoka wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 03:52 HolyArrow wrote:On April 10 2013 23:08 sinigang wrote:On April 10 2013 22:56 slowbacontron wrote:
I saw plenty of esf fans in the previews for this group who claimed that Curious and MKP were easily going to win, probably because they hadn't paid any attention to the Kespa scene. But yes, it's the Kespa fans who come crowing over every frikkin' victory these days because Kespa is the cool thing to support, the "new" kids on the block (maybe an opportunity for the old fans to flaunt their superiority). I think a major reason this is happening is because KeSPA fans felt disrespected back in 2010 when new fans who only followed SC2 and eSF players started proclaiming new gods and heroes of StarCraft (which were mere B-teamers and punching bags in BW by the way). KeSPA fans couldn't stand that these players were freeloading in SC2 while their heroes were stuck playing BW and had to go through a long and tough transition period. Now that that's over and KeSPA is here to stay for good, the old school fans are seeking a sense of vindication. This will last until tournaments are dominantly represented by KeSPA (which includes KeSPA picking up straggling eSF pros). Do you realize how much of a douche you have to be to take offense because you expect someone who is a fan of game X to somehow give a shit about anything involving game Y, let alone show the level of respect you feel your game and players of your game are entitled to (hint: they're not)? Seems like a lot of Kespa fanboys can't get over the fact that SC2 and BW are entirely different games, and that a good amount of SC2 fans really don't care about BW. If SC3 came out years from now and there were a bunch of new fans following it and new players (perhaps unsuccessfuly ex-SC2 players) making a splash on the scene, I would find it completely unacceptable for me as an SC2 fan to start telling SC3 fans which players they should be praising, merely on the basis of their SC2 performances. Seems like a bunch of esf "fanboys" (I hate this word) fall so easily to some troll bait. Do you really think the "kespa fanboys" are represented by singang, choisulli and maybe 5 or 10 other accounts here? Cmon, be a smart guy. Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 04:23 jinorazi wrote:
i see more dysfuction with people taking this seriously o.O
You said it way better than me
I dont go around here posting KESPA > ESF, I dont really feel the need to have to do that, no satisfaction and you just get banned. So what I posted is not ment as troll bait. Im just giving you a reason as to why I feel strongly about the KESPA vs ESF rivalry. Someone originally said that it "dosent matter". So I just posted as to why it mattered to me. I wasnt looking to troll anyone, just to give insight as to why I for example do care between the rivalry. In response people seem to be upset at me for my reasons. I invested a lot of time into BW it was a big part of my life for a long time, so I have very strong feelings over it. I know not everyone is as emotionally invested in this, so they dismiss our talk as trolling, flaming etc. when in reality its just our true feelings.
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wow kespa becoming really strong
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