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The usual: Don't flame casters or players. Don't discuss balance in this or any LR thread. Don't call your fellow posters idiots. Be excited, happy and entertained.
rice_devOurer
Profile Joined July 2012
United States773 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-17 23:03:46
March 17 2013 23:03 GMT
#7621
On March 18 2013 08:02 une_certaine_verve wrote:
What are widow mines bad against?

widow mines
IN SOVIET RUSSIA ノ┬─┬ノ ︵ ( \o°o)\ Table Flips you
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
March 17 2013 23:03 GMT
#7622
On March 18 2013 08:03 trinxified wrote:
I missed the game where MC won against Bogus... What and how?

Oracle bust against only marines
trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
March 17 2013 23:03 GMT
#7623
On March 18 2013 08:03 mordk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2013 08:03 trinxified wrote:
I missed the game where MC won against Bogus... What and how?

Oracle bust against only marines


Lol again....
Bibbit
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada5377 Posts
March 17 2013 23:03 GMT
#7624
Whatever happened to Phoenix/Colossus? It was pretty popular for a brief period a while back. Incontrol himself was actually a big fan of it
Delphiki
Profile Joined October 2012
Philippines1955 Posts
March 17 2013 23:04 GMT
#7625
On March 18 2013 08:03 trinxified wrote:
I missed the game where MC won against Bogus... What and how?

Oracles kick ass and good time warps
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-17 23:04:37
March 17 2013 23:04 GMT
#7626
On March 18 2013 08:03 Bibbit wrote:
Whatever happened to Phoenix/Colossus? It was pretty popular for a brief period a while back. Incontrol himself was actually a big fan of it

GuineaPig and Zeerax retired and that was it. :D
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
March 17 2013 23:04 GMT
#7627
On March 18 2013 08:02 une_certaine_verve wrote:
What are widow mines bad against?


Micro.
LiquipediaWanderer
Roe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada6002 Posts
March 17 2013 23:04 GMT
#7628
ah, good movies
Diavlo
Profile Joined July 2011
Belgium2915 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-17 23:05:03
March 17 2013 23:04 GMT
#7629
Incontrol is right, it does look like what MC was using at NASL 1 against Select and Puma.
So much awesomeness.
"I don't know how many years on this Earth I got left. I'm gonna get real weird with it."
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
March 17 2013 23:04 GMT
#7630
On March 18 2013 08:03 Bibbit wrote:
Whatever happened to Phoenix/Colossus? It was pretty popular for a brief period a while back. Incontrol himself was actually a big fan of it


I guess people considered it too gas-intensive.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
Tobblish
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden6404 Posts
March 17 2013 23:05 GMT
#7631
Wow he is gonna risk it, holy fuck bogus
The curse is real
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
March 17 2013 23:05 GMT
#7632
On March 18 2013 07:59 wangstra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2013 07:55 Zealously wrote:
On March 18 2013 07:50 wangstra wrote:
On March 18 2013 07:46 Zealously wrote:
On March 18 2013 07:43 [RIDER]DubTrub wrote:
So...what the hell is a patchzerg? Can anyone enlighten me? I keep seeing people arguing about them.


No, you really don't need to know. It's something a bunch of idiots came up with, but it really does not have any relevance.


So irrelevant no pros mention it.

Why bother if you're not going to answer him?


Because "patchzerg" is complete and utter bullshit and the worst possible way to talk down on players. Although pros know the game better than any of us, don't for a second think that they don't spout a bunch of bullshit every once in a while, either out of frustration or to stir up some shit in the community (see progamer Twitters, Ryung semifinals). Calling someone a patchzerg is not only stupid and biased, it attempts to devalue any achievements made by Zerg players after the queen patch by blaming imbalance or a boring metagame.

That's why.


Lol. No need to to paint a bead on your back and have everyone call you out. There's a thread called lings of liberty that has over 100 pages. What, did the a whole bunch of people have a collective psychosis?


The point is that there is absolutely no way to know if the Zerg players who became successful after the queen patch would have anyway. Is Life a patch zerg? Is Hyun? Is Sniper? What about Roro? It's impossible to say because the queen patch happened, but new players would have shown up even if it hadn't. Patchzerg became synonymous with "Zerg player who plays in a way I do not like", and the Lings of Liberty thread became the place for balance whiners to show up and whine together. These "Patchzergs" played to the strenghts of Zerg to win games, just like any Protoss or Terran player would play to the strenghts of their races. People just didn't like watching Zerg win after a while, so everyone became willing to accept that "Hey, these guys only win because of the patch", which is disrespectful to the dedication and achievements of Zerg progamers.

I'm getting very close to going off on rant-mode and completely off-topic; if you want to continue this discussion in PMs I'd be more than happy to do so, if not then I'm done discussing this.
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sourviventide
Profile Joined March 2013
1 Post
Last Edited: 2013-03-17 23:06:14
March 17 2013 23:05 GMT
#7633
the only power unit that terran has to compete with oracles, that early, is mines

the mines are 75/25 cost and extremely powerful against air and ground AND can be reactored

marines are 50 minerals and strong sure, but they produce too slowly from a barracks to really help alot vs that toss early strength


Oracles are the best opener agains terran period. i actually dont think its a PROBLEM if toss is forced stargate every game vs T. because afterwards you can go DT, storm, collossi, or air

terran is also forced to go mines every game vs toss (1rax 1gas 1factory reactor CC mines is probably best build) but I dont really think its that bad of a metagame that is created

lets be honest. The oracle as a unit allows protoss to turn his resources (150 minerals 150 gas) into a very powerful fast flying harassment unit that shreds marines and SCV's

the bare truth is at the early moments of the game, there is no other "type" of unit that protoss would rather spend his money on

its a closed shut issue. Oracle openers will ALWAYS be the strongest most powerful opener in PvT and the strongest way to spend your first 150 minerals 150 gas until oracles are nerfed. but if oracles are nerfed, then nerf mines and medivacs too


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Tobblish
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden6404 Posts
March 17 2013 23:05 GMT
#7634
omg no those force fields.
The curse is real
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
March 17 2013 23:06 GMT
#7635
MC blocked his own third with a cannon!
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
March 17 2013 23:06 GMT
#7636
Pretty sloppy play from MC
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9282 Posts
March 17 2013 23:06 GMT
#7637
lol he blocked his nexus
You're now breathing manually
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
March 17 2013 23:06 GMT
#7638
MC doesn't want the money. :D
ArcticFox
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1092 Posts
March 17 2013 23:06 GMT
#7639
On March 18 2013 08:03 Bibbit wrote:
Whatever happened to Phoenix/Colossus? It was pretty popular for a brief period a while back. Incontrol himself was actually a big fan of it

Phoenix openings were popular for a bit until Terrans started getting super greedy against it and expanding faster, and when protoss started expanding faster to compensate, terrans would just build a bunch of marines and practically a-move to victory.

And once you open colossi, fast forge play into templar is a better use of gas, as you're already forcing vikings.
cmen15
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1519 Posts
March 17 2013 23:06 GMT
#7640
o man mc that is not pretty : (
Greed leads to just about all losses.
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