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On March 06 2013 04:09 CrugerDK wrote:
Is liquipedia wrong? Shouldnt Ret be 1st in his group?
Ret > First > YoDa > Ret
So its a 3-way tie on head-to-head
Map scores
Yoda: 9-4
Ret: 8-3
Both are +5 in maps, but Ret is at 72.7% winrate whereas YoDa is at 69.2%
After mapscore follows the total amount of maps won.
So 9-4 is better than 8-3 and please don't start a discussion now if this is stupid or not because it basically went about 20 pages during the last IEM's LR. >.<
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On March 06 2013 04:09 CrugerDK wrote:
Is liquipedia wrong? Shouldnt Ret be 1st in his group?
Ret > First > YoDa > Ret
So its a 3-way tie on head-to-head
Map scores
Yoda: 9-4
Ret: 8-3
Both are +5 in maps, but Ret is at 72.7% winrate whereas YoDa is at 69.2%
You never see anyone settle a 3 way tie by winrate, it's always the number of wins first. As Yoda as 9 wins, they just put him in first.
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On March 06 2013 04:13 o)_Saurus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 04:09 CrugerDK wrote:
Is liquipedia wrong? Shouldnt Ret be 1st in his group?
Ret > First > YoDa > Ret
So its a 3-way tie on head-to-head
Map scores
Yoda: 9-4
Ret: 8-3
Both are +5 in maps, but Ret is at 72.7% winrate whereas YoDa is at 69.2%
After mapscore follows the total amount of maps won. So 9-4 is better than 8-3 and please don't start a discussion now if this is stupid or not because it basically went about 20 pages during the last IEM's LR. >.<
well if that's the rule - that's the rule. They should obviously stick to that.
However, I don't agree on the logic behind it.
but there are always questionable results in the 3 ways ties of these round robin formats.
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I can see why Yonghwa wanted to Skip up ad downs! Good race distribution as well thus far. Will VODs be up anywhere or just the rebroadcast?
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On March 06 2013 04:15 ColtraneL wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 04:09 CrugerDK wrote:
Is liquipedia wrong? Shouldnt Ret be 1st in his group?
Ret > First > YoDa > Ret
So its a 3-way tie on head-to-head
Map scores
Yoda: 9-4
Ret: 8-3
Both are +5 in maps, but Ret is at 72.7% winrate whereas YoDa is at 69.2%
You never see anyone settle a 3 way tie by winrate, it's always the number of wins first. As Yoda as 9 wins, they just put him in first.
Not true. Dreamhack does winrate. It doesn't often happen that winrate and total map wins give different results, but it does happen.
Example DH:Summer 2012 - Group stage 2 - group G
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012_DreamHack_Open/Summer
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On March 06 2013 04:18 CrugerDK wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 04:13 o)_Saurus wrote:On March 06 2013 04:09 CrugerDK wrote:
Is liquipedia wrong? Shouldnt Ret be 1st in his group?
Ret > First > YoDa > Ret
So its a 3-way tie on head-to-head
Map scores
Yoda: 9-4
Ret: 8-3
Both are +5 in maps, but Ret is at 72.7% winrate whereas YoDa is at 69.2%
After mapscore follows the total amount of maps won. So 9-4 is better than 8-3 and please don't start a discussion now if this is stupid or not because it basically went about 20 pages during the last IEM's LR. >.< well if that's the rule - that's the rule. They should obviously stick to that. However, I don't agree on the logic behind it. but there are always questionable results in the 3 ways ties of these round robin formats.
YoDa and Ret are tied on mapscore and YoDa beat him head-to-head. I think that logic checks out.
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On March 06 2013 04:26 AlternativeEgo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 04:18 CrugerDK wrote:On March 06 2013 04:13 o)_Saurus wrote:On March 06 2013 04:09 CrugerDK wrote:
Is liquipedia wrong? Shouldnt Ret be 1st in his group?
Ret > First > YoDa > Ret
So its a 3-way tie on head-to-head
Map scores
Yoda: 9-4
Ret: 8-3
Both are +5 in maps, but Ret is at 72.7% winrate whereas YoDa is at 69.2%
After mapscore follows the total amount of maps won. So 9-4 is better than 8-3 and please don't start a discussion now if this is stupid or not because it basically went about 20 pages during the last IEM's LR. >.< well if that's the rule - that's the rule. They should obviously stick to that. However, I don't agree on the logic behind it. but there are always questionable results in the 3 ways ties of these round robin formats. YoDa and Ret are tied on mapscore and YoDa beat him head-to-head. I think that logic checks out.
3 way tie where Yoda > ret > First > ret you can't use head to head
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On March 06 2013 04:28 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 04:26 AlternativeEgo wrote:On March 06 2013 04:18 CrugerDK wrote:On March 06 2013 04:13 o)_Saurus wrote:On March 06 2013 04:09 CrugerDK wrote:
Is liquipedia wrong? Shouldnt Ret be 1st in his group?
Ret > First > YoDa > Ret
So its a 3-way tie on head-to-head
Map scores
Yoda: 9-4
Ret: 8-3
Both are +5 in maps, but Ret is at 72.7% winrate whereas YoDa is at 69.2%
After mapscore follows the total amount of maps won. So 9-4 is better than 8-3 and please don't start a discussion now if this is stupid or not because it basically went about 20 pages during the last IEM's LR. >.< well if that's the rule - that's the rule. They should obviously stick to that. However, I don't agree on the logic behind it. but there are always questionable results in the 3 ways ties of these round robin formats. YoDa and Ret are tied on mapscore and YoDa beat him head-to-head. I think that logic checks out. 3 way tie where Yoda > ret > First > ret you can't use head to head
But he's not tied with the others if you count mapscore. :p
Edit: First, that is
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On March 06 2013 04:30 AlternativeEgo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 04:28 Shellshock1122 wrote:On March 06 2013 04:26 AlternativeEgo wrote:On March 06 2013 04:18 CrugerDK wrote:On March 06 2013 04:13 o)_Saurus wrote:On March 06 2013 04:09 CrugerDK wrote:
Is liquipedia wrong? Shouldnt Ret be 1st in his group?
Ret > First > YoDa > Ret
So its a 3-way tie on head-to-head
Map scores
Yoda: 9-4
Ret: 8-3
Both are +5 in maps, but Ret is at 72.7% winrate whereas YoDa is at 69.2%
After mapscore follows the total amount of maps won. So 9-4 is better than 8-3 and please don't start a discussion now if this is stupid or not because it basically went about 20 pages during the last IEM's LR. >.< well if that's the rule - that's the rule. They should obviously stick to that. However, I don't agree on the logic behind it. but there are always questionable results in the 3 ways ties of these round robin formats. YoDa and Ret are tied on mapscore and YoDa beat him head-to-head. I think that logic checks out. 3 way tie where Yoda > ret > First > ret you can't use head to head But he's not tied with the others if you count mapscore. :p Edit: First, that is
Ret and Yoda dont have the same map score or do you mean the difference?
either way it's just by most wins like it was already stated
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On March 06 2013 04:31 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 04:30 AlternativeEgo wrote:On March 06 2013 04:28 Shellshock1122 wrote:On March 06 2013 04:26 AlternativeEgo wrote:On March 06 2013 04:18 CrugerDK wrote:On March 06 2013 04:13 o)_Saurus wrote:On March 06 2013 04:09 CrugerDK wrote:
Is liquipedia wrong? Shouldnt Ret be 1st in his group?
Ret > First > YoDa > Ret
So its a 3-way tie on head-to-head
Map scores
Yoda: 9-4
Ret: 8-3
Both are +5 in maps, but Ret is at 72.7% winrate whereas YoDa is at 69.2%
After mapscore follows the total amount of maps won. So 9-4 is better than 8-3 and please don't start a discussion now if this is stupid or not because it basically went about 20 pages during the last IEM's LR. >.< well if that's the rule - that's the rule. They should obviously stick to that. However, I don't agree on the logic behind it. but there are always questionable results in the 3 ways ties of these round robin formats. YoDa and Ret are tied on mapscore and YoDa beat him head-to-head. I think that logic checks out. 3 way tie where Yoda > ret > First > ret you can't use head to head But he's not tied with the others if you count mapscore. :p Edit: First, that is Ret and Yoda dont have the same map score or do you mean the difference?
Yeah, +/-. I don't know if IEM has maps won before h2h though. Either way YoDa wins both.
Edit: Never mind. I managed to forget a second after I read it when it was brought up. >.<
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Watched so many starcrafts and people still haven't learned. It's the rule; and the rule is that the guy with more wins is the better player if they can't use head-to-head.
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Good to see the tournament issues got fixed. :D
Nerf Widow Mines if you need too but take away their friendly fire aspect then. I can't understand why banelings which are mobile and faster also do no FF and WM are OP. WM doing FF its balanced. But nerf them take away FF Blizzard.
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On March 06 2013 04:36 WoodLeagueAllStar wrote:
Good to see the tournament issues got fixed. :D
Nerf Widow Mines if you need too but take away their friendly fire aspect then. I can't understand why banelings which are mobile and faster also do no FF and WM are OP. WM doing FF its balanced. But nerf them take away FF Blizzard.
Terran splash-damage units are supposed to have friendly fire. That's one of the reason tanks suck in TvP.
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I like this. It feels like QXC is lecturing about Terran, really cool. I don't mind the down time.
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On March 06 2013 04:36 WoodLeagueAllStar wrote:
Good to see the tournament issues got fixed. :D
Nerf Widow Mines if you need too but take away their friendly fire aspect then. I can't understand why banelings which are mobile and faster also do no FF and WM are OP. WM doing FF its balanced. But nerf them take away FF Blizzard.
If banelings had friendly fire, it would kill all the banelings and zerglings around it. Nobody except for the absolute best Zerg players in the world would be able to use them.
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anyone know if those shirts are for sale? they're pretty cool..
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On March 06 2013 04:24 CrugerDK wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 04:15 ColtraneL wrote:On March 06 2013 04:09 CrugerDK wrote:
Is liquipedia wrong? Shouldnt Ret be 1st in his group?
Ret > First > YoDa > Ret
So its a 3-way tie on head-to-head
Map scores
Yoda: 9-4
Ret: 8-3
Both are +5 in maps, but Ret is at 72.7% winrate whereas YoDa is at 69.2%
You never see anyone settle a 3 way tie by winrate, it's always the number of wins first. As Yoda as 9 wins, they just put him in first. Not true. Dreamhack does winrate. It doesn't often happen that winrate and total map wins give different results, but it does happen. Example DH:Summer 2012 - Group stage 2 - group G http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012_DreamHack_Open/Summer
Personally I'd argue that's just wrong. Tod went 3-3 in the 3 way tie while Mini went 2-3. Just silly that Mini went through, quite a stupid rule.
Edit: Lol nvm that's just stupid me and you. Grou stage 2 group G is NOT a 3 way tie, since Seiplo has best map score. After that it's just head to head that Mini won.
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On March 06 2013 03:35 Nathanias wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 03:25 Ghanburighan wrote:On March 06 2013 02:32 Nathanias wrote:Hey guys, searched through the thread for comments about my cast, I understand the observing concerns and will do MUCH better tomorrow. No excuses to be made, but I have taken every comment into consideration. Thanks very much for the feedback  I was mostly concerned about making sure I didn't talk too fast during this cast, now I have a new focus! Well done, Nathanias. I enjoyed your cast a lot. I especially like your frank and sincere approach. You told the viewers exactly what was going on when faced with things that no caster should be forced to react to, like being dropped from a game. The classical music was an especially good touch. As for criticism (because you asked for it rather than because I felt that there was something seriously wrong): a) The observing issue. b) Your headgear was a bit silly. This does not affect the cast at all, but in between you could have left a more serious impression. c) Talking more about the game and the possible ways the game might unfold (ie. they are doing a gas on 13, that can lead to build X, or Y) is incredibly interesting at this phase of the game (ie. pre-release). You should do more of that. There's an incredible amount of down-time, so you have enough time for the more general comments like "SH are invisible when burrowed and they shoot out free units". yeah, understandable and that's what a lot of the comments were about (obsing, better way to kill time etc), As for the headset... I seriously can't afford to buy another one lol. I'm looking into it at the moment, but the standalone mic I was sent has way too many problems with my current environment so I'm stuck until I can get a better headset solution. I of course would like to be as professional as possible, but until someone contracts you casting is 99% volunteer work and I would hate to waste what little money I have on a headset that might not even be good. So many companies make flimsy headsets @_@
Easy big wins:
1. Get some lights. Hi-iso grain flatters nobody.
2. Print a poster to cover the wall area behind you. I'm sure someone here can help you put together something appropriate. Print it matte to avoid shine from the lights.
Beyond that, I have nothing but praise
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On March 06 2013 04:46 Zarahtra wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 04:24 CrugerDK wrote:On March 06 2013 04:15 ColtraneL wrote:On March 06 2013 04:09 CrugerDK wrote:
Is liquipedia wrong? Shouldnt Ret be 1st in his group?
Ret > First > YoDa > Ret
So its a 3-way tie on head-to-head
Map scores
Yoda: 9-4
Ret: 8-3
Both are +5 in maps, but Ret is at 72.7% winrate whereas YoDa is at 69.2%
You never see anyone settle a 3 way tie by winrate, it's always the number of wins first. As Yoda as 9 wins, they just put him in first. Not true. Dreamhack does winrate. It doesn't often happen that winrate and total map wins give different results, but it does happen. Example DH:Summer 2012 - Group stage 2 - group G http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012_DreamHack_Open/Summer Personally I'd argue that's just wrong. Tod went 3-3 in the 3 way tie while Mini went 2-3. Just silly that Mini went through, quite a stupid rule. Edit: Lol nvm that's just stupid me and you. Grou stage 2 group G is NOT a 3 way tie, since Seiplo has best map score. After that it's just head to head that Mini won.
what?
its a 3-way-tie on game score and head-to-head. Then it was decided on win%. It was controversial at the time aswell, but that was the argument at the time.
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Any worthwile series to watch the Vods of?
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