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On February 07 2013 19:34 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 19:32 Type|NarutO wrote:On February 07 2013 19:31 Fjodorov wrote:
Best game ive seen in a long time. These players have reached such a high level its unbelievable. You know why its the best game you've seen in a long time? Because its Terran vs Terran. High level Terran vs Terran was ALWAYS exciting, but people complained and complained. Now its mostly ZvP (no balance whine here) and people miss those games. TvT has a lot more variety than ZvP to be honest... so, yeah. Want to see more TvTs again! It's not because it's TvT, it's because TvT is currently rare to see lol. TvT was boring as shit after the three season of GomTvT, just like ZvZ is boring after 6 months of domination.
TvT is great because it's TvT. Back during the GomTvT days we had some amazing mech styles, incredibly technical marine/tank, and guys like Polt and Boxer who were really good with bio styles. There's a reason people are so negative about SC2 now as compared to 2011, and it's because we at least had good games back then even if Terran was taking up half of the spots in Code S. ZvZ is absolutely awful by comparison, and watching Zergs win all the tournaments by fungaling and slowly drifting brood lords around in the non-mirrors is not fun for anyone.
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opterown
Australia54785 Posts
On February 07 2013 19:36 Dosey wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 19:34 Ghanburighan wrote:
Anyone else looking forward to MKP v Bogus TvT ^^ Please code S, make it happen! There seems to actually be a method to Bogus's madness though. MKP on the other hand just bashes his head into a brick wall until it either crumbles, or destroys him.
MKP still has some of the best TvT and TvP around. seems headbashing works in those matchups lol
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If TaeJa had moved his army across the map and hit with stim.. he would have won right there lol.
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Taeja could just stim and bumrush the front right now.
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that akward moment when scouting makes a swastika on the minimap <_<
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United States97277 Posts
On February 07 2013 19:34 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 19:31 Shellshock1122 wrote: GSL S1 2013 Code S Ro16 Group A  TaeJa vs INnoVation Game 2 (0-1) Map: Whirlwind 0:00 TaeJa spawns in the top right INnoVation spawns in the bottom right 2:00 CC on the low ground for Innovation CC on the high ground for TaeJa rax for Innovation rax for TaeJa 2nd rax for TaeJa 3:00 2nd rax for Innovation 4:00 3rd rax for TaeJa double gas for TaeJa 5:00 3rd CC for Innovation inside his main 3rd rax for Innovation double gas for Innovation Innovation sending his marines across the map tech lab for TaeJa
6:00
TaeJa chases Innovation back
stim research started for TaeJa
TaeJa moving across the map
factory for TaeJa
factory for Innovation
bunker started in the natural of Innovation
TaeJa backs off after reaching the natural ramp
7:00
3rd gas for Innovation
2 more rax for TaeJa
2 reactors for TaeJa
combat shields started for Innovation
Starport started for Taea
Starport started for Innovation
8:00
double ebay for TaeJa
double ebay for Innovation
Innovation scans and sees TaeJa adding on more rax
4th gas for Innovation
siege tank production started for Innovation
double medivac production started for TaeJa
9:00
1-1 started for Innovation
1-1 started for TaeJa
2 more rax for Innovation
combat shields started for TaeJa
stim research started for Innovation
2 more rax for Innovation
siege tank production started for TaeJa
double medivac production underway for Innovation
10:00
siege mode research started for TaeJa
TaeJa killing a lot of rocks off on the map
TaeJa ahead by 20 supply
armory started for TaeJa
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On February 07 2013 19:37 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 19:36 Dosey wrote:On February 07 2013 19:34 Ghanburighan wrote:
Anyone else looking forward to MKP v Bogus TvT ^^ Please code S, make it happen! There seems to actually be a method to Bogus's madness though. MKP on the other hand just bashes his head into a brick wall until it either crumbles, or destroys him. MKP still has some of the best TvT and TvP around. seems headbashing works in those matchups lol
MKP vs Bogus will be a rematch of MKP vs Heart :D
MKP won that 5-2 last time...
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On February 07 2013 19:31 Savant.GL wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 19:29 Breach_hu wrote:On February 07 2013 19:27 Savant.GL wrote:
I think Mines will be really great in TvT.
Currently it feels like a few tanks can't hold off a much larger marine force which is what they should be able to do.
However a few mines and some tanks should be able to hold off a larger force whilst the rest of your army is off attacking different parts and getting position Sadly, having 2 tanks instead of 3 mines are better in HotS. I'm not saying you need to have one or the other, I think a combination of mines and tanks will be a really brutal positional force that can hold off a much larger army, which just tanks can't really do.
Mines that do slow splash damage, and much less damage than a tank...
Mines are slightly more mobile than tanks and harder to detect, but have like no health.
Mines cost 2 supply while tanks cost 3 supply.
Only thing mines have an advantage on is that they can be reactored.
HoTS is going to be only hellbat drops and speed medvac abuse for couple patches after release anyways.
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On February 07 2013 19:36 xN.07)MaK wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 19:31 Arceus wrote:On February 07 2013 19:30 xN.07)MaK wrote:
Someone needs to tell Taeja that he just needed to defend. This guy is so aggro that he threw away his advantage. A couple of minutes more of defending, and the bc switch would have win him the game Bogus is so super duper aggro that Taeja couldnt catch a breath to make BC He destroyed him at his watchtower, and instead of keeping the map in half, he went into the offensive, got owned, got dropped in his main and died. A much better approach would be to keep the advantage in units and add 3 bcs, playing defensive.
Ya, he was in a solid position before he threw that army away at the PF  Bogus kept throwing units away bit by bit, i'm fairly confident taeja could've won if he kept holding his defensive position.
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On February 07 2013 19:34 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 19:32 Type|NarutO wrote:On February 07 2013 19:31 Fjodorov wrote:
Best game ive seen in a long time. These players have reached such a high level its unbelievable. You know why its the best game you've seen in a long time? Because its Terran vs Terran. High level Terran vs Terran was ALWAYS exciting, but people complained and complained. Now its mostly ZvP (no balance whine here) and people miss those games. TvT has a lot more variety than ZvP to be honest... so, yeah. Want to see more TvTs again! It's not because it's TvT, it's because TvT is currently rare to see lol. TvT was boring as shit after the three season of GomTvT, just like ZvZ is boring after 6 months of domination.
TvT was only boring at the Viking Tank Area when there were stalemates only.
Marine Tank is always great to watch at a high level.
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On February 07 2013 19:34 Dosey wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 19:31 Arceus wrote:On February 07 2013 19:30 xN.07)MaK wrote:
Someone needs to tell Taeja that he just needed to defend. This guy is so aggro that he threw away his advantage. A couple of minutes more of defending, and the bc switch would have win him the game Bogus is so super duper aggro that Taeja couldnt catch a breath to make BC Eh... that terrible attack at the PF 4th of Bogus did him in. Bogus did a doom drop in the main after Taeja dumped everything off on that attack and he couldn't resupply correctly.
Yeah, he was transitioning to air, and he had a lot of tanks to defend himself until he made that transition. I don't understand why he moved out and left himself so vulnerable to kill off a planetary that was mostly mined out.
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On February 07 2013 19:34 AxionSteel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 19:34 bo1b wrote:On February 07 2013 19:32 Type|NarutO wrote:On February 07 2013 19:31 Fjodorov wrote:
Best game ive seen in a long time. These players have reached such a high level its unbelievable. You know why its the best game you've seen in a long time? Because its Terran vs Terran. High level Terran vs Terran was ALWAYS exciting, but people complained and complained. Now its mostly ZvP (no balance whine here) and people miss those games. TvT has a lot more variety than ZvP to be honest... so, yeah. Want to see more TvTs again! It's not because it's TvT, it's because TvT is currently rare to see lol. TvT was boring as shit after the three season of GomTvT, just like ZvZ is boring after 6 months of domination. No...TvT is a brilliant matchup, comparing it to ZvZ is pretty silly.
High level both is brilliant lol. TvT got ruined by three base mech turtling, and ZvZ got ruined by roach blobs. When neither happens they're both brilliant but seeing 100's of them in a row was boring.
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
On February 07 2013 19:37 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 19:36 Dosey wrote:On February 07 2013 19:34 Ghanburighan wrote:
Anyone else looking forward to MKP v Bogus TvT ^^ Please code S, make it happen! There seems to actually be a method to Bogus's madness though. MKP on the other hand just bashes his head into a brick wall until it either crumbles, or destroys him. MKP still has some of the best TvT and TvP around. seems headbashing works in those matchups lol
Yeah headbashing does work a lot of the time because players don't usually expect you to just fuck it and go nuts. Unless you're perfectly prepared for it and react perfectly to it, it's rather easy to just die to it.
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On February 07 2013 19:37 forsooth wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 19:34 bo1b wrote:On February 07 2013 19:32 Type|NarutO wrote:On February 07 2013 19:31 Fjodorov wrote:
Best game ive seen in a long time. These players have reached such a high level its unbelievable. You know why its the best game you've seen in a long time? Because its Terran vs Terran. High level Terran vs Terran was ALWAYS exciting, but people complained and complained. Now its mostly ZvP (no balance whine here) and people miss those games. TvT has a lot more variety than ZvP to be honest... so, yeah. Want to see more TvTs again! It's not because it's TvT, it's because TvT is currently rare to see lol. TvT was boring as shit after the three season of GomTvT, just like ZvZ is boring after 6 months of domination. TvT is great because it's TvT. Back during the GomTvT days we had some amazing mech styles, incredibly technical marine/tank, and guys like Polt and Boxer who were really good with bio styles. There's a reason people are so negative about SC2 now as compared to 2011, and it's because we at least had good games back then even if Terran was taking up half of the spots in Code S.
Well, tbh there were a lot of boring, stale games back then too. I think the problem is just that any strat/matchup/metagame stuff, no matter how exciting, gets dull when you watch it over and over and over.
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i hate they take away the siege tech upgrade, it creates always so tense situations where the upgrade just finsihes in time etc
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Just me or was that engagement actually won by Innovation and not Taeja?
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On February 07 2013 19:37 forsooth wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 19:34 bo1b wrote:On February 07 2013 19:32 Type|NarutO wrote:On February 07 2013 19:31 Fjodorov wrote:
Best game ive seen in a long time. These players have reached such a high level its unbelievable. You know why its the best game you've seen in a long time? Because its Terran vs Terran. High level Terran vs Terran was ALWAYS exciting, but people complained and complained. Now its mostly ZvP (no balance whine here) and people miss those games. TvT has a lot more variety than ZvP to be honest... so, yeah. Want to see more TvTs again! It's not because it's TvT, it's because TvT is currently rare to see lol. TvT was boring as shit after the three season of GomTvT, just like ZvZ is boring after 6 months of domination. TvT is great because it's TvT. Back during the GomTvT days we had some amazing mech styles, incredibly technical marine/tank, and guys like Polt and Boxer who were really good with bio styles. There's a reason people are so negative about SC2 now as compared to 2011, and it's because we at least had good games back then even if Terran was taking up half of the spots in Code S. ZvZ is absolutely awful by comparison, and watching Zergs win all the tournaments by fungaling and slowly drifting brood lords around in the non-mirrors is not fun for anyone.
People were complaining about TvT all the time, and ZvZ can be absolutely incredible. 2011 was incredible because of the insanely good TvZ games, PvZ and PvT were absolutely horrid. Watching protoss deathball into getting slaughtered by roaches was disgusting, and watching protoss deathball into carpet emps was also disgusting.
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On February 07 2013 19:38 Tsubbi wrote:
i hate they take away the siege tech upgrade, it creates always so tense situations where the upgrade just finsihes in time etc
yeah i dont understand it, too. there was just no need to remove it anyways.
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Bad decision by taeja to engage, uh oh...
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On February 07 2013 19:39 Tobblish wrote:
Just me or was that engagement actually won by Innovation and not Taeja?
It was literally 50:50 I think
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