On February 01 2013 22:24 Lasbike wrote: Innovation was not simply "code S level", he was top4 of code S. So tell me how this works exactly, any player who loses games against Innovation is "OHMAGAD NOT CODE S LEVEL" ?
While Hack has been in code S, which probably mean he is "code S level". And he's been destroyed by Stephano.
So considering both those things, I wonder how can you end up saying "Stephano is not code S level". What i'd say is more among the line of "Stephano is not top code S level and would obviously not end up in RO8,4, runner up or winner"
Yeah exactly. Some people think its all or nothing... and assume if youre not with them, youre against them.
On February 01 2013 22:19 Mafe wrote: I'd like to ask it again, but If Stephano (and Hack) aren't Code S level, then the other players who are eliminated with worse records than Stephano aren't either? And if so, who should be there instead?
But those eliminated Korean players qualified through code A, not getting a direct seed, so there is no question whether they should be in Code S or not.
On February 01 2013 21:42 Raiquer wrote: Naniwa made it to the Round of 8 in GSL Code S TWICE. Stephano lost in the Round of 32 GSL Code S.
and it only took naniwa how long?
Well I mean.. He did it before Stephano. I don't really see your point.
and jinro got to RO4 twice before naniwa? where are we going with this?
That Jinro is the best foreigner in StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty of all time?
seems irrelevant but yes, in terms of achievement, he is yeah... although id argue quite strongly about him being the best of all time in terms of actual ability
Stephano got kicked out by a clearly better prepared player. I hoped for him to finish top2 and i still think he has the neccessary skill to compete in Code S but well, maybe next time.
On February 01 2013 21:52 sitromit wrote: Is the "Stephano could win GSL" nonsense finally over now? Can we just call him the best foreigner and leave it at that?
Can we do that AND stop the "Stephano is not code s level" nonsense? Now that would be great.
Maybe if you tell me what he proved tonight that made him Code S level?
2-0ing Hack, a player who ISN'T Code S level?
Going 1-4 against Innovation, being read like a book and demolished, a player who IS Code S level?
IF Stephano makes it back to Code S then I'll consider him it, until then, no, he's just the best foreigner.
that's a little harsh? hack as far as i know qualified for code S fair and square? he deserved to be in that group, and whilst he was clearly one of the weaker 32 players, had still earn't his right to be there, also, I didn't see stephano getting "demolished" by innovation? I saw an innovation was was better prepared and superior in terms of tactical choice, but in terms of ability i think stephano held his own and more (see game 2 of the 2nd series)... everyone know's hypetrains are annoying, but anti-fan bias is just as irritating
No, Stephano got 1-4'd. He won one game in 5, that is getting demolished. The 4 games Innovation won weren't even close. Stephano got STOMPED by Innovation, you can't twist that.
Youre so god damn angry. If Stephano won that game, they would have been 2:3 but Stephano advancing. Who's the better player then? Would Stephano have been "beaten" by Innovation yet be in the RO16 instead?
Yeah but that didn't happen. So...
so stephano got cheesed 3 out of 4 games, he didn't scout therefore lost. why is everybody trying to read too much into this?
players who had similar or worse score than Stephano this season:
those players didn't get 1% of the retarded hate Stephano gets.
get the fuck out with the idiotic hate. yeah he lost, you hate his fanboys, ok. you hate him because of his fanboys?? then you're simply stupid (this wasn't aimed at shaddar, rather in general). he beat Bogus in a long macro game convincingly, but got punished for his lack of scouting, still proved he is no slouch. no need to be retarded about the matter
I would argue that those players don't get 1% of the retarded hate Stephano gets, because they don't get 1% of the retarded hype he gets. Losing in the early game is still losing; and it isn't like Stephano can blame imbalance or map selection on his loss. He lost purely because he does not put enough effort into scouting, or he thinks he doesn't need to.
On February 01 2013 21:42 Raiquer wrote: Naniwa made it to the Round of 8 in GSL Code S TWICE. Stephano lost in the Round of 32 GSL Code S.
and it only took naniwa how long?
Well I mean.. He did it before Stephano. I don't really see your point.
and jinro got to RO4 twice before naniwa? where are we going with this?
That Jinro is the best foreigner in StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty of all time?
seems irrelevant but yes, in terms of achievement, he is yeah... although id argue quite strongly about him being the best of all time in terms of actual ability
In terms of achievement he is far from it lol. He is not even up there among foreign terrans, ThorZaIN is, then LucifroN/Kas.
On February 01 2013 21:42 Raiquer wrote: Naniwa made it to the Round of 8 in GSL Code S TWICE. Stephano lost in the Round of 32 GSL Code S.
and it only took naniwa how long?
Well I mean.. He did it before Stephano. I don't really see your point.
and jinro got to RO4 twice before naniwa? where are we going with this?
That Jinro is the best foreigner in StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty of all time?
seems irrelevant but yes, in terms of achievement, he is yeah... although id argue quite strongly about him being the best of all time in terms of actual ability
Jinro is the best foreigner of sc2 of all time as far as posted results in Code S. I imagine it will be that way for some time. Never forget, Jonathan Walsh!!
On February 01 2013 21:52 sitromit wrote: Is the "Stephano could win GSL" nonsense finally over now? Can we just call him the best foreigner and leave it at that?
Can we do that AND stop the "Stephano is not code s level" nonsense? Now that would be great.
Maybe if you tell me what he proved tonight that made him Code S level?
2-0ing Hack, a player who ISN'T Code S level?
Going 1-4 against Innovation, being read like a book and demolished, a player who IS Code S level?
IF Stephano makes it back to Code S then I'll consider him it, until then, no, he's just the best foreigner.
that's a little harsh? hack as far as i know qualified for code S fair and square? he deserved to be in that group, and whilst he was clearly one of the weaker 32 players, had still earn't his right to be there, also, I didn't see stephano getting "demolished" by innovation? I saw an innovation was was better prepared and superior in terms of tactical choice, but in terms of ability i think stephano held his own and more (see game 2 of the 2nd series)... everyone know's hypetrains are annoying, but anti-fan bias is just as irritating
No, Stephano got 1-4'd. He won one game in 5, that is getting demolished. The 4 games Innovation won weren't even close. Stephano got STOMPED by Innovation, you can't twist that.
Youre so god damn angry. If Stephano won that game, they would have been 2:3 but Stephano advancing. Who's the better player then? Would Stephano have been "beaten" by Innovation yet be in the RO16 instead?
Yeah but that didn't happen. So...
so stephano got cheesed 3 out of 4 games, he didn't scout therefore lost. why is everybody trying to read too much into this?
players who had similar or worse score than Stephano this season:
those players didn't get 1% of the retarded hate Stephano gets.
get the fuck out with the idiotic hate. yeah he lost, you hate his fanboys, ok. you hate him because of his fanboys?? then you're simply stupid (this wasn't aimed at shaddar, rather in general). he beat Bogus in a long macro game convincingly, but got punished for his lack of scouting, still proved he is no slouch. no need to be retarded about the matter
I would argue that those players don't get 1% of the retarded hate Stephano gets, because they don't get 1% of the retarded hype he gets. Losing in the early game is still losing; and it isn't like Stephano can blame imbalance or map selection on his loss. He lost purely because he does not put enough effort into scouting, or he thinks he doesn't need to.
Anyway, you kids take care, goodnight.
How old are you to be able to address the forum in general as kids 0.o
The one thing that should be remember of today matchs is that Stephano is really close from top code S. All he lacks are some basics which can be fixed in a second.
Stephano's losses to Innovation look worse because DRG handled Innovation so easily in ZvT. I mean, DRG played around with him, but Stephano went 1-4 against the guy.
On February 01 2013 21:52 sitromit wrote: Is the "Stephano could win GSL" nonsense finally over now? Can we just call him the best foreigner and leave it at that?
Can we do that AND stop the "Stephano is not code s level" nonsense? Now that would be great.
Maybe if you tell me what he proved tonight that made him Code S level?
2-0ing Hack, a player who ISN'T Code S level?
Going 1-4 against Innovation, being read like a book and demolished, a player who IS Code S level?
IF Stephano makes it back to Code S then I'll consider him it, until then, no, he's just the best foreigner.
that's a little harsh? hack as far as i know qualified for code S fair and square? he deserved to be in that group, and whilst he was clearly one of the weaker 32 players, had still earn't his right to be there, also, I didn't see stephano getting "demolished" by innovation? I saw an innovation was was better prepared and superior in terms of tactical choice, but in terms of ability i think stephano held his own and more (see game 2 of the 2nd series)... everyone know's hypetrains are annoying, but anti-fan bias is just as irritating
No, Stephano got 1-4'd. He won one game in 5, that is getting demolished. The 4 games Innovation won weren't even close. Stephano got STOMPED by Innovation, you can't twist that.
Youre so god damn angry. If Stephano won that game, they would have been 2:3 but Stephano advancing. Who's the better player then? Would Stephano have been "beaten" by Innovation yet be in the RO16 instead?
Yeah but that didn't happen. So...
so stephano got cheesed 3 out of 4 games, he didn't scout therefore lost. why is everybody trying to read too much into this?
players who had similar or worse score than Stephano this season:
those players didn't get 1% of the retarded hate Stephano gets.
get the fuck out with the idiotic hate. yeah he lost, you hate his fanboys, ok. you hate him because of his fanboys?? then you're simply stupid (this wasn't aimed at shaddar, rather in general). he beat Bogus in a long macro game convincingly, but got punished for his lack of scouting, still proved he is no slouch. no need to be retarded about the matter
I would argue that those players don't get 1% of the retarded hate Stephano gets, because they don't get 1% of the retarded hype he gets. Losing in the early game is still losing; and it isn't like Stephano can blame imbalance or map selection on his loss. He lost purely because he does not put enough effort into scouting, or he thinks he doesn't need to.
Anyway, you kids take care, goodnight.
so what exactly motivated you to reply me after I said he got beaten due to bad scouting and didn't say anything about maps?
you hate him because of his fanboys?? then you're simply stupid
On February 01 2013 21:52 sitromit wrote: Is the "Stephano could win GSL" nonsense finally over now? Can we just call him the best foreigner and leave it at that?
Can we do that AND stop the "Stephano is not code s level" nonsense? Now that would be great.
Maybe if you tell me what he proved tonight that made him Code S level?
2-0ing Hack, a player who ISN'T Code S level?
Going 1-4 against Innovation, being read like a book and demolished, a player who IS Code S level?
IF Stephano makes it back to Code S then I'll consider him it, until then, no, he's just the best foreigner.
that's a little harsh? hack as far as i know qualified for code S fair and square? he deserved to be in that group, and whilst he was clearly one of the weaker 32 players, had still earn't his right to be there, also, I didn't see stephano getting "demolished" by innovation? I saw an innovation was was better prepared and superior in terms of tactical choice, but in terms of ability i think stephano held his own and more (see game 2 of the 2nd series)... everyone know's hypetrains are annoying, but anti-fan bias is just as irritating
No, Stephano got 1-4'd. He won one game in 5, that is getting demolished. The 4 games Innovation won weren't even close. Stephano got STOMPED by Innovation, you can't twist that.
Youre so god damn angry. If Stephano won that game, they would have been 2:3 but Stephano advancing. Who's the better player then? Would Stephano have been "beaten" by Innovation yet be in the RO16 instead?
Yeah but that didn't happen. So...
so stephano got cheesed 3 out of 4 games, he didn't scout therefore lost. why is everybody trying to read too much into this?
players who had similar or worse score than Stephano this season:
those players didn't get 1% of the retarded hate Stephano gets.
get the fuck out with the idiotic hate. yeah he lost, you hate his fanboys, ok. you hate him because of his fanboys?? then you're simply stupid (this wasn't aimed at shaddar, rather in general). he beat Bogus in a long macro game convincingly, but got punished for his lack of scouting, still proved he is no slouch. no need to be retarded about the matter
I would argue that those players don't get 1% of the retarded hate Stephano gets, because they don't get 1% of the retarded hype he gets. Losing in the early game is still losing; and it isn't like Stephano can blame imbalance or map selection on his loss. He lost purely because he does not put enough effort into scouting, or he thinks he doesn't need to.
Anyway, you kids take care, goodnight.
How old are you to be able to address the forum in general as kids 0.o
EPT
