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BlazeFury01
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1460 Posts
January 31 2013 20:13 GMT
#1881
On February 01 2013 05:09 mrtomjones wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 04:58 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On February 01 2013 04:43 Alryk wrote:
On February 01 2013 03:47 Rewera wrote:
This is the beginning of Kespa teams players domination. 12/20 preliminary winners but 16/20 runner-ups. Code A soon will be dominated by Kespa and then they will start to drag Code S players. One by one. Take them into Kepsa meatgrinder in code A, then Kespa meatgrinder in Code B an bye bye. Non Kespa teams will crumble. Then there will be one team-league [10-12 teams] and one single competition format. [Kespa Gom merger].


...what.

The vast majority of GOM A-team players are already in code A/S. For Kespa A-teamers to not have taken at least half the spots would have been very bad. Note only (I believe) soulkey making it to Ro16 this season, with Innovation to play later. hardly any kespa players made it through Up and Downs (one?). Code A is certainly not going to be dominated by kespa players anytime soon.

On February 01 2013 04:01 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On February 01 2013 03:48 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Idk I think it would be kind of embarrassing for Kespa to not make up the majority of finalists at this point. Almost all the good ESF players are already in the GSL so the Kespa players are only going up against low Code A and Code B talent. This isn't "kespa domination"

It's only the start of the kespa domination. It's only going to get worst from here for the ESF players even if it does take a little bit longer. But it will eventually happen.


If the start of kespa domination included Flash, Jaedong, Bbyong, sOs, Trap, and Fantasy all falling out of the U&D's, and only RorO and Soulkey (Innovation tonight) in Code S... kespa domination is not that great.

Edit: You also aren't taking into account proportions. This could go either way, but how many ESF players were registered in comparison to Kespa players? If Kespa had more players participating, you would expect them to qualify more players.

I've touched on the u/d situation before. Keep in min that the ESF players only had that one group to focus on and one group of maps. Whereas the Kespa players had many different players to practice for (Pro League) on an almost entirely different map pool. Flash himself even said that he didn't give his all in the u/d's because he clearly couldn't practice for it with his tight schedule for Pro League. I'm sure the same can be said about the rest of the players.

Ahh yes... always excuses for people like you. I wonder when those will stop


There's a difference between excuses and fact. I've clearly stated facts based off what the players themselves said. I really see your posts as reasons to argue with me. Not sure why you hate on Kespa players so much, especially when they're the ones that made StarCraft what it is from the start to finish.
sertman
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States540 Posts
January 31 2013 20:14 GMT
#1882
On February 01 2013 05:09 mrtomjones wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 04:58 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On February 01 2013 04:43 Alryk wrote:
On February 01 2013 03:47 Rewera wrote:
This is the beginning of Kespa teams players domination. 12/20 preliminary winners but 16/20 runner-ups. Code A soon will be dominated by Kespa and then they will start to drag Code S players. One by one. Take them into Kepsa meatgrinder in code A, then Kespa meatgrinder in Code B an bye bye. Non Kespa teams will crumble. Then there will be one team-league [10-12 teams] and one single competition format. [Kespa Gom merger].


...what.

The vast majority of GOM A-team players are already in code A/S. For Kespa A-teamers to not have taken at least half the spots would have been very bad. Note only (I believe) soulkey making it to Ro16 this season, with Innovation to play later. hardly any kespa players made it through Up and Downs (one?). Code A is certainly not going to be dominated by kespa players anytime soon.

On February 01 2013 04:01 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On February 01 2013 03:48 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Idk I think it would be kind of embarrassing for Kespa to not make up the majority of finalists at this point. Almost all the good ESF players are already in the GSL so the Kespa players are only going up against low Code A and Code B talent. This isn't "kespa domination"

It's only the start of the kespa domination. It's only going to get worst from here for the ESF players even if it does take a little bit longer. But it will eventually happen.


If the start of kespa domination included Flash, Jaedong, Bbyong, sOs, Trap, and Fantasy all falling out of the U&D's, and only RorO and Soulkey (Innovation tonight) in Code S... kespa domination is not that great.

Edit: You also aren't taking into account proportions. This could go either way, but how many ESF players were registered in comparison to Kespa players? If Kespa had more players participating, you would expect them to qualify more players.

I've touched on the u/d situation before. Keep in min that the ESF players only had that one group to focus on and one group of maps. Whereas the Kespa players had many different players to practice for (Pro League) on an almost entirely different map pool. Flash himself even said that he didn't give his all in the u/d's because he clearly couldn't practice for it with his tight schedule for Pro League. I'm sure the same can be said about the rest of the players.

Ahh yes... always excuses for people like you. I wonder when those will stop


every kespa player in a GSL interview says "i barely practiced for my match because of proleague"

have you genuinely not read any of them or do you think it's a huge kespa apologist conspiracy
noD
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
2230 Posts
January 31 2013 20:24 GMT
#1883
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can't belive those guys arent in ...
mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
January 31 2013 20:28 GMT
#1884
On February 01 2013 05:14 sertman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 05:09 mrtomjones wrote:
On February 01 2013 04:58 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On February 01 2013 04:43 Alryk wrote:
On February 01 2013 03:47 Rewera wrote:
This is the beginning of Kespa teams players domination. 12/20 preliminary winners but 16/20 runner-ups. Code A soon will be dominated by Kespa and then they will start to drag Code S players. One by one. Take them into Kepsa meatgrinder in code A, then Kespa meatgrinder in Code B an bye bye. Non Kespa teams will crumble. Then there will be one team-league [10-12 teams] and one single competition format. [Kespa Gom merger].


...what.

The vast majority of GOM A-team players are already in code A/S. For Kespa A-teamers to not have taken at least half the spots would have been very bad. Note only (I believe) soulkey making it to Ro16 this season, with Innovation to play later. hardly any kespa players made it through Up and Downs (one?). Code A is certainly not going to be dominated by kespa players anytime soon.

On February 01 2013 04:01 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On February 01 2013 03:48 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Idk I think it would be kind of embarrassing for Kespa to not make up the majority of finalists at this point. Almost all the good ESF players are already in the GSL so the Kespa players are only going up against low Code A and Code B talent. This isn't "kespa domination"

It's only the start of the kespa domination. It's only going to get worst from here for the ESF players even if it does take a little bit longer. But it will eventually happen.


If the start of kespa domination included Flash, Jaedong, Bbyong, sOs, Trap, and Fantasy all falling out of the U&D's, and only RorO and Soulkey (Innovation tonight) in Code S... kespa domination is not that great.

Edit: You also aren't taking into account proportions. This could go either way, but how many ESF players were registered in comparison to Kespa players? If Kespa had more players participating, you would expect them to qualify more players.

I've touched on the u/d situation before. Keep in min that the ESF players only had that one group to focus on and one group of maps. Whereas the Kespa players had many different players to practice for (Pro League) on an almost entirely different map pool. Flash himself even said that he didn't give his all in the u/d's because he clearly couldn't practice for it with his tight schedule for Pro League. I'm sure the same can be said about the rest of the players.

Ahh yes... always excuses for people like you. I wonder when those will stop


every kespa player in a GSL interview says "i barely practiced for my match because of proleague"

have you genuinely not read any of them or do you think it's a huge kespa apologist conspiracy

And yet most of the ESF players after their intreviews for Up and Down in the past have simply said that they practiced on ladder and practiced in a general sense so their practice is not much better than the Kespa players who claim they didnt do much practice for it. I think that it is Kespa apologist excuses just like they have been making excuses for ages. They were supposed to dominate after a month and then it was three months, and now it has been much much longer. Now it is "eventually". Perhaps people should just finally admit that there are some damn good players on both sides and there are some bad or average players on both sides. Many Kespa players look quite bad. What does that say about the whole "all kespa players will come in and dominate" attitude? The Kespa players know how to practice really well for opponents but that is something that can be learned and surely has by many ESF players. That is the only advantage they have beyond the fact that many of them were simply skilled at this style of game. Fortunately there are players like Life or Parting or even a guy like Stephano who are also skilled at these games. Stop trying to act like it will go all one way. It wont. Both sides have great players and both sides will continue to have them. Fuck the elephant argument BS.
bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
January 31 2013 20:43 GMT
#1885
So kespa players don't practice for GSL which is a great excuse when they lose, but they're going to dominate the competition regardless?

People have funny expectations.
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Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17684 Posts
January 31 2013 22:05 GMT
#1886
On February 01 2013 05:43 bittman wrote:
So kespa players don't practice for GSL which is a great excuse when they lose, but they're going to dominate the competition regardless?

People have funny expectations.

Kespa players are way better than all other players in every way obviously. Except Jaedong is a huge fan of Stephano....wait what?
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dgwow
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1024 Posts
January 31 2013 23:23 GMT
#1887
I think DRG and Innovation will make it through. Hoping for Stephano to do well, though.
Don't let those anti-cheese advocates tell you what to do. Rush to meet life head on!
BlazeFury01
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1460 Posts
January 31 2013 23:57 GMT
#1888
On February 01 2013 05:43 bittman wrote:
So kespa players don't practice for GSL which is a great excuse when they lose, but they're going to dominate the competition regardless?

People have funny expectations.


They say the same thing when they win, so I don't get what your saying lol
BlazeFury01
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1460 Posts
February 01 2013 00:02 GMT
#1889
On February 01 2013 05:28 mrtomjones wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 05:14 sertman wrote:
On February 01 2013 05:09 mrtomjones wrote:
On February 01 2013 04:58 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On February 01 2013 04:43 Alryk wrote:
On February 01 2013 03:47 Rewera wrote:
This is the beginning of Kespa teams players domination. 12/20 preliminary winners but 16/20 runner-ups. Code A soon will be dominated by Kespa and then they will start to drag Code S players. One by one. Take them into Kepsa meatgrinder in code A, then Kespa meatgrinder in Code B an bye bye. Non Kespa teams will crumble. Then there will be one team-league [10-12 teams] and one single competition format. [Kespa Gom merger].


...what.

The vast majority of GOM A-team players are already in code A/S. For Kespa A-teamers to not have taken at least half the spots would have been very bad. Note only (I believe) soulkey making it to Ro16 this season, with Innovation to play later. hardly any kespa players made it through Up and Downs (one?). Code A is certainly not going to be dominated by kespa players anytime soon.

On February 01 2013 04:01 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On February 01 2013 03:48 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Idk I think it would be kind of embarrassing for Kespa to not make up the majority of finalists at this point. Almost all the good ESF players are already in the GSL so the Kespa players are only going up against low Code A and Code B talent. This isn't "kespa domination"

It's only the start of the kespa domination. It's only going to get worst from here for the ESF players even if it does take a little bit longer. But it will eventually happen.


If the start of kespa domination included Flash, Jaedong, Bbyong, sOs, Trap, and Fantasy all falling out of the U&D's, and only RorO and Soulkey (Innovation tonight) in Code S... kespa domination is not that great.

Edit: You also aren't taking into account proportions. This could go either way, but how many ESF players were registered in comparison to Kespa players? If Kespa had more players participating, you would expect them to qualify more players.

I've touched on the u/d situation before. Keep in min that the ESF players only had that one group to focus on and one group of maps. Whereas the Kespa players had many different players to practice for (Pro League) on an almost entirely different map pool. Flash himself even said that he didn't give his all in the u/d's because he clearly couldn't practice for it with his tight schedule for Pro League. I'm sure the same can be said about the rest of the players.

Ahh yes... always excuses for people like you. I wonder when those will stop


every kespa player in a GSL interview says "i barely practiced for my match because of proleague"

have you genuinely not read any of them or do you think it's a huge kespa apologist conspiracy

And yet most of the ESF players after their intreviews for Up and Down in the past have simply said that they practiced on ladder and practiced in a general sense so their practice is not much better than the Kespa players who claim they didnt do much practice for it. I think that it is Kespa apologist excuses just like they have been making excuses for ages. They were supposed to dominate after a month and then it was three months, and now it has been much much longer. Now it is "eventually". Perhaps people should just finally admit that there are some damn good players on both sides and there are some bad or average players on both sides. Many Kespa players look quite bad. What does that say about the whole "all kespa players will come in and dominate" attitude? The Kespa players know how to practice really well for opponents but that is something that can be learned and surely has by many ESF players. That is the only advantage they have beyond the fact that many of them were simply skilled at this style of game. Fortunately there are players like Life or Parting or even a guy like Stephano who are also skilled at these games. Stop trying to act like it will go all one way. It wont. Both sides have great players and both sides will continue to have them. Fuck the elephant argument BS.


The argument was supposed to be for if the Kespa players switched to SC2 when everybody else did, which didn't happen until 2 1/2 years. Seems like you're really bitter about the future. When it does happen, you better believe I will be throwing all this up back in your face and laugh at you every single day to remind you the foolishness you bring to these forums. It will happen trust me. You only speak your foolishness because you didn't play BW. If you had of then you would see the level of play the game requires. Like I said, we all have our opinions, I respect your opinions and I advise you respect mine and not getting butt hurt all the time because we have some disagreements.
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
February 01 2013 00:04 GMT
#1890
On February 01 2013 05:13 BlazeFury01 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 05:09 mrtomjones wrote:
On February 01 2013 04:58 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On February 01 2013 04:43 Alryk wrote:
On February 01 2013 03:47 Rewera wrote:
This is the beginning of Kespa teams players domination. 12/20 preliminary winners but 16/20 runner-ups. Code A soon will be dominated by Kespa and then they will start to drag Code S players. One by one. Take them into Kepsa meatgrinder in code A, then Kespa meatgrinder in Code B an bye bye. Non Kespa teams will crumble. Then there will be one team-league [10-12 teams] and one single competition format. [Kespa Gom merger].


...what.

The vast majority of GOM A-team players are already in code A/S. For Kespa A-teamers to not have taken at least half the spots would have been very bad. Note only (I believe) soulkey making it to Ro16 this season, with Innovation to play later. hardly any kespa players made it through Up and Downs (one?). Code A is certainly not going to be dominated by kespa players anytime soon.

On February 01 2013 04:01 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On February 01 2013 03:48 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Idk I think it would be kind of embarrassing for Kespa to not make up the majority of finalists at this point. Almost all the good ESF players are already in the GSL so the Kespa players are only going up against low Code A and Code B talent. This isn't "kespa domination"

It's only the start of the kespa domination. It's only going to get worst from here for the ESF players even if it does take a little bit longer. But it will eventually happen.


If the start of kespa domination included Flash, Jaedong, Bbyong, sOs, Trap, and Fantasy all falling out of the U&D's, and only RorO and Soulkey (Innovation tonight) in Code S... kespa domination is not that great.

Edit: You also aren't taking into account proportions. This could go either way, but how many ESF players were registered in comparison to Kespa players? If Kespa had more players participating, you would expect them to qualify more players.

I've touched on the u/d situation before. Keep in min that the ESF players only had that one group to focus on and one group of maps. Whereas the Kespa players had many different players to practice for (Pro League) on an almost entirely different map pool. Flash himself even said that he didn't give his all in the u/d's because he clearly couldn't practice for it with his tight schedule for Pro League. I'm sure the same can be said about the rest of the players.

Ahh yes... always excuses for people like you. I wonder when those will stop


There's a difference between excuses and fact. I've clearly stated facts based off what the players themselves said. I really see your posts as reasons to argue with me. Not sure why you hate on Kespa players so much, especially when they're the ones that made StarCraft what it is from the start to finish.


I don't think sc2 fans hate on Kespa players. I think they just hate the elitist Kespa fans like you.
BlazeFury01
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1460 Posts
February 01 2013 00:04 GMT
#1891
On February 01 2013 05:28 mrtomjones wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 05:14 sertman wrote:
On February 01 2013 05:09 mrtomjones wrote:
On February 01 2013 04:58 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On February 01 2013 04:43 Alryk wrote:
On February 01 2013 03:47 Rewera wrote:
This is the beginning of Kespa teams players domination. 12/20 preliminary winners but 16/20 runner-ups. Code A soon will be dominated by Kespa and then they will start to drag Code S players. One by one. Take them into Kepsa meatgrinder in code A, then Kespa meatgrinder in Code B an bye bye. Non Kespa teams will crumble. Then there will be one team-league [10-12 teams] and one single competition format. [Kespa Gom merger].


...what.

The vast majority of GOM A-team players are already in code A/S. For Kespa A-teamers to not have taken at least half the spots would have been very bad. Note only (I believe) soulkey making it to Ro16 this season, with Innovation to play later. hardly any kespa players made it through Up and Downs (one?). Code A is certainly not going to be dominated by kespa players anytime soon.

On February 01 2013 04:01 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On February 01 2013 03:48 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Idk I think it would be kind of embarrassing for Kespa to not make up the majority of finalists at this point. Almost all the good ESF players are already in the GSL so the Kespa players are only going up against low Code A and Code B talent. This isn't "kespa domination"

It's only the start of the kespa domination. It's only going to get worst from here for the ESF players even if it does take a little bit longer. But it will eventually happen.


If the start of kespa domination included Flash, Jaedong, Bbyong, sOs, Trap, and Fantasy all falling out of the U&D's, and only RorO and Soulkey (Innovation tonight) in Code S... kespa domination is not that great.

Edit: You also aren't taking into account proportions. This could go either way, but how many ESF players were registered in comparison to Kespa players? If Kespa had more players participating, you would expect them to qualify more players.

I've touched on the u/d situation before. Keep in min that the ESF players only had that one group to focus on and one group of maps. Whereas the Kespa players had many different players to practice for (Pro League) on an almost entirely different map pool. Flash himself even said that he didn't give his all in the u/d's because he clearly couldn't practice for it with his tight schedule for Pro League. I'm sure the same can be said about the rest of the players.

Ahh yes... always excuses for people like you. I wonder when those will stop


every kespa player in a GSL interview says "i barely practiced for my match because of proleague"

have you genuinely not read any of them or do you think it's a huge kespa apologist conspiracy

And yet most of the ESF players after their intreviews for Up and Down in the past have simply said that they practiced on ladder and practiced in a general sense so their practice is not much better than the Kespa players who claim they didnt do much practice for it. I think that it is Kespa apologist excuses just like they have been making excuses for ages. They were supposed to dominate after a month and then it was three months, and now it has been much much longer. Now it is "eventually". Perhaps people should just finally admit that there are some damn good players on both sides and there are some bad or average players on both sides. Many Kespa players look quite bad. What does that say about the whole "all kespa players will come in and dominate" attitude? The Kespa players know how to practice really well for opponents but that is something that can be learned and surely has by many ESF players. That is the only advantage they have beyond the fact that many of them were simply skilled at this style of game. Fortunately there are players like Life or Parting or even a guy like Stephano who are also skilled at these games. Stop trying to act like it will go all one way. It wont. Both sides have great players and both sides will continue to have them. Fuck the elephant argument BS.


Also, I'm sure you saw how Taeja got stomped today. That's probably why your so bitter. What excuse are you going to use for that game? His hands are bad? He hasn't practiced? If that was the case he wouldn't have won his other two matches.
BlazeFury01
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1460 Posts
February 01 2013 00:05 GMT
#1892
On February 01 2013 09:04 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 05:13 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On February 01 2013 05:09 mrtomjones wrote:
On February 01 2013 04:58 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On February 01 2013 04:43 Alryk wrote:
On February 01 2013 03:47 Rewera wrote:
This is the beginning of Kespa teams players domination. 12/20 preliminary winners but 16/20 runner-ups. Code A soon will be dominated by Kespa and then they will start to drag Code S players. One by one. Take them into Kepsa meatgrinder in code A, then Kespa meatgrinder in Code B an bye bye. Non Kespa teams will crumble. Then there will be one team-league [10-12 teams] and one single competition format. [Kespa Gom merger].


...what.

The vast majority of GOM A-team players are already in code A/S. For Kespa A-teamers to not have taken at least half the spots would have been very bad. Note only (I believe) soulkey making it to Ro16 this season, with Innovation to play later. hardly any kespa players made it through Up and Downs (one?). Code A is certainly not going to be dominated by kespa players anytime soon.

On February 01 2013 04:01 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On February 01 2013 03:48 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Idk I think it would be kind of embarrassing for Kespa to not make up the majority of finalists at this point. Almost all the good ESF players are already in the GSL so the Kespa players are only going up against low Code A and Code B talent. This isn't "kespa domination"

It's only the start of the kespa domination. It's only going to get worst from here for the ESF players even if it does take a little bit longer. But it will eventually happen.


If the start of kespa domination included Flash, Jaedong, Bbyong, sOs, Trap, and Fantasy all falling out of the U&D's, and only RorO and Soulkey (Innovation tonight) in Code S... kespa domination is not that great.

Edit: You also aren't taking into account proportions. This could go either way, but how many ESF players were registered in comparison to Kespa players? If Kespa had more players participating, you would expect them to qualify more players.

I've touched on the u/d situation before. Keep in min that the ESF players only had that one group to focus on and one group of maps. Whereas the Kespa players had many different players to practice for (Pro League) on an almost entirely different map pool. Flash himself even said that he didn't give his all in the u/d's because he clearly couldn't practice for it with his tight schedule for Pro League. I'm sure the same can be said about the rest of the players.

Ahh yes... always excuses for people like you. I wonder when those will stop


There's a difference between excuses and fact. I've clearly stated facts based off what the players themselves said. I really see your posts as reasons to argue with me. Not sure why you hate on Kespa players so much, especially when they're the ones that made StarCraft what it is from the start to finish.


I don't think sc2 fans hate on Kespa players. I think they just hate the elitist Kespa fans like you.


Cool, I'm an "elitist". And I will continue to stay one.
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Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 01 2013 00:05 GMT
#1893
shame i couldn't f5 along with you guys. some interesting results for sure
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vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
February 01 2013 00:06 GMT
#1894
On February 01 2013 08:57 BlazeFury01 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 05:43 bittman wrote:
So kespa players don't practice for GSL which is a great excuse when they lose, but they're going to dominate the competition regardless?

People have funny expectations.


They say the same thing when they win, so I don't get what your saying lol


It isn't about what they said. What you are saying is the Kespa players haven't had successful in GSL because they focus on PL. Yet, you say they will dominate GSL in the future. But if they focus only on PL, how will dominate GSL?
BlazeFury01
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1460 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-01 00:08:04
February 01 2013 00:07 GMT
#1895
On February 01 2013 09:06 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 08:57 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On February 01 2013 05:43 bittman wrote:
So kespa players don't practice for GSL which is a great excuse when they lose, but they're going to dominate the competition regardless?

People have funny expectations.


They say the same thing when they win, so I don't get what your saying lol


It isn't about what they said. What you are saying is the Kespa players haven't had successful in GSL because they focus on PL. Yet, you say they will dominate GSL in the future. But if they focus only on PL, how will dominate GSL?


Because they'll have a much better understanding of the game then they do now. You can already see how fast they're progressing.
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
February 01 2013 00:08 GMT
#1896
On February 01 2013 09:05 BlazeFury01 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 09:04 vthree wrote:
On February 01 2013 05:13 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On February 01 2013 05:09 mrtomjones wrote:
On February 01 2013 04:58 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On February 01 2013 04:43 Alryk wrote:
On February 01 2013 03:47 Rewera wrote:
This is the beginning of Kespa teams players domination. 12/20 preliminary winners but 16/20 runner-ups. Code A soon will be dominated by Kespa and then they will start to drag Code S players. One by one. Take them into Kepsa meatgrinder in code A, then Kespa meatgrinder in Code B an bye bye. Non Kespa teams will crumble. Then there will be one team-league [10-12 teams] and one single competition format. [Kespa Gom merger].


...what.

The vast majority of GOM A-team players are already in code A/S. For Kespa A-teamers to not have taken at least half the spots would have been very bad. Note only (I believe) soulkey making it to Ro16 this season, with Innovation to play later. hardly any kespa players made it through Up and Downs (one?). Code A is certainly not going to be dominated by kespa players anytime soon.

On February 01 2013 04:01 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On February 01 2013 03:48 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Idk I think it would be kind of embarrassing for Kespa to not make up the majority of finalists at this point. Almost all the good ESF players are already in the GSL so the Kespa players are only going up against low Code A and Code B talent. This isn't "kespa domination"

It's only the start of the kespa domination. It's only going to get worst from here for the ESF players even if it does take a little bit longer. But it will eventually happen.


If the start of kespa domination included Flash, Jaedong, Bbyong, sOs, Trap, and Fantasy all falling out of the U&D's, and only RorO and Soulkey (Innovation tonight) in Code S... kespa domination is not that great.

Edit: You also aren't taking into account proportions. This could go either way, but how many ESF players were registered in comparison to Kespa players? If Kespa had more players participating, you would expect them to qualify more players.

I've touched on the u/d situation before. Keep in min that the ESF players only had that one group to focus on and one group of maps. Whereas the Kespa players had many different players to practice for (Pro League) on an almost entirely different map pool. Flash himself even said that he didn't give his all in the u/d's because he clearly couldn't practice for it with his tight schedule for Pro League. I'm sure the same can be said about the rest of the players.

Ahh yes... always excuses for people like you. I wonder when those will stop


There's a difference between excuses and fact. I've clearly stated facts based off what the players themselves said. I really see your posts as reasons to argue with me. Not sure why you hate on Kespa players so much, especially when they're the ones that made StarCraft what it is from the start to finish.


I don't think sc2 fans hate on Kespa players. I think they just hate the elitist Kespa fans like you.


Cool, I'm an "elitist". And I will continue to stay one.


Weren't you one of those people that said Kespa would dominate Code S by season 5 2012 when Kespa were winning games in WCS?
BlazeFury01
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1460 Posts
February 01 2013 00:10 GMT
#1897
On February 01 2013 09:08 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 09:05 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On February 01 2013 09:04 vthree wrote:
On February 01 2013 05:13 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On February 01 2013 05:09 mrtomjones wrote:
On February 01 2013 04:58 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On February 01 2013 04:43 Alryk wrote:
On February 01 2013 03:47 Rewera wrote:
This is the beginning of Kespa teams players domination. 12/20 preliminary winners but 16/20 runner-ups. Code A soon will be dominated by Kespa and then they will start to drag Code S players. One by one. Take them into Kepsa meatgrinder in code A, then Kespa meatgrinder in Code B an bye bye. Non Kespa teams will crumble. Then there will be one team-league [10-12 teams] and one single competition format. [Kespa Gom merger].


...what.

The vast majority of GOM A-team players are already in code A/S. For Kespa A-teamers to not have taken at least half the spots would have been very bad. Note only (I believe) soulkey making it to Ro16 this season, with Innovation to play later. hardly any kespa players made it through Up and Downs (one?). Code A is certainly not going to be dominated by kespa players anytime soon.

On February 01 2013 04:01 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On February 01 2013 03:48 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Idk I think it would be kind of embarrassing for Kespa to not make up the majority of finalists at this point. Almost all the good ESF players are already in the GSL so the Kespa players are only going up against low Code A and Code B talent. This isn't "kespa domination"

It's only the start of the kespa domination. It's only going to get worst from here for the ESF players even if it does take a little bit longer. But it will eventually happen.


If the start of kespa domination included Flash, Jaedong, Bbyong, sOs, Trap, and Fantasy all falling out of the U&D's, and only RorO and Soulkey (Innovation tonight) in Code S... kespa domination is not that great.

Edit: You also aren't taking into account proportions. This could go either way, but how many ESF players were registered in comparison to Kespa players? If Kespa had more players participating, you would expect them to qualify more players.

I've touched on the u/d situation before. Keep in min that the ESF players only had that one group to focus on and one group of maps. Whereas the Kespa players had many different players to practice for (Pro League) on an almost entirely different map pool. Flash himself even said that he didn't give his all in the u/d's because he clearly couldn't practice for it with his tight schedule for Pro League. I'm sure the same can be said about the rest of the players.

Ahh yes... always excuses for people like you. I wonder when those will stop


There's a difference between excuses and fact. I've clearly stated facts based off what the players themselves said. I really see your posts as reasons to argue with me. Not sure why you hate on Kespa players so much, especially when they're the ones that made StarCraft what it is from the start to finish.


I don't think sc2 fans hate on Kespa players. I think they just hate the elitist Kespa fans like you.


Cool, I'm an "elitist". And I will continue to stay one.


Weren't you one of those people that said Kespa would dominate Code S by season 5 2012 when Kespa were winning games in WCS?


No, I never said they'd be dominating a particular season. I said futuristically when they have a better understanding of the game or had as much time the ESF players had.
TeeTS
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany2762 Posts
February 01 2013 00:10 GMT
#1898
On February 01 2013 09:04 BlazeFury01 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 05:28 mrtomjones wrote:
On February 01 2013 05:14 sertman wrote:
On February 01 2013 05:09 mrtomjones wrote:
On February 01 2013 04:58 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On February 01 2013 04:43 Alryk wrote:
On February 01 2013 03:47 Rewera wrote:
This is the beginning of Kespa teams players domination. 12/20 preliminary winners but 16/20 runner-ups. Code A soon will be dominated by Kespa and then they will start to drag Code S players. One by one. Take them into Kepsa meatgrinder in code A, then Kespa meatgrinder in Code B an bye bye. Non Kespa teams will crumble. Then there will be one team-league [10-12 teams] and one single competition format. [Kespa Gom merger].


...what.

The vast majority of GOM A-team players are already in code A/S. For Kespa A-teamers to not have taken at least half the spots would have been very bad. Note only (I believe) soulkey making it to Ro16 this season, with Innovation to play later. hardly any kespa players made it through Up and Downs (one?). Code A is certainly not going to be dominated by kespa players anytime soon.

On February 01 2013 04:01 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On February 01 2013 03:48 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Idk I think it would be kind of embarrassing for Kespa to not make up the majority of finalists at this point. Almost all the good ESF players are already in the GSL so the Kespa players are only going up against low Code A and Code B talent. This isn't "kespa domination"

It's only the start of the kespa domination. It's only going to get worst from here for the ESF players even if it does take a little bit longer. But it will eventually happen.


If the start of kespa domination included Flash, Jaedong, Bbyong, sOs, Trap, and Fantasy all falling out of the U&D's, and only RorO and Soulkey (Innovation tonight) in Code S... kespa domination is not that great.

Edit: You also aren't taking into account proportions. This could go either way, but how many ESF players were registered in comparison to Kespa players? If Kespa had more players participating, you would expect them to qualify more players.

I've touched on the u/d situation before. Keep in min that the ESF players only had that one group to focus on and one group of maps. Whereas the Kespa players had many different players to practice for (Pro League) on an almost entirely different map pool. Flash himself even said that he didn't give his all in the u/d's because he clearly couldn't practice for it with his tight schedule for Pro League. I'm sure the same can be said about the rest of the players.

Ahh yes... always excuses for people like you. I wonder when those will stop


every kespa player in a GSL interview says "i barely practiced for my match because of proleague"

have you genuinely not read any of them or do you think it's a huge kespa apologist conspiracy

And yet most of the ESF players after their intreviews for Up and Down in the past have simply said that they practiced on ladder and practiced in a general sense so their practice is not much better than the Kespa players who claim they didnt do much practice for it. I think that it is Kespa apologist excuses just like they have been making excuses for ages. They were supposed to dominate after a month and then it was three months, and now it has been much much longer. Now it is "eventually". Perhaps people should just finally admit that there are some damn good players on both sides and there are some bad or average players on both sides. Many Kespa players look quite bad. What does that say about the whole "all kespa players will come in and dominate" attitude? The Kespa players know how to practice really well for opponents but that is something that can be learned and surely has by many ESF players. That is the only advantage they have beyond the fact that many of them were simply skilled at this style of game. Fortunately there are players like Life or Parting or even a guy like Stephano who are also skilled at these games. Stop trying to act like it will go all one way. It wont. Both sides have great players and both sides will continue to have them. Fuck the elephant argument BS.


Also, I'm sure you saw how Taeja got stomped today. That's probably why your so bitter. What excuse are you going to use for that game? His hands are bad? He hasn't practiced? If that was the case he wouldn't have won his other two matches.


don't you feel just very silly? The Kespa domination didn't come. The only thing that can bring a kespa domination, like you believe, is the financial collapse of the ESF. If this doesn't happen, then there will allways be strong players on both sides.
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
February 01 2013 00:10 GMT
#1899
On February 01 2013 09:07 BlazeFury01 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 09:06 vthree wrote:
On February 01 2013 08:57 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On February 01 2013 05:43 bittman wrote:
So kespa players don't practice for GSL which is a great excuse when they lose, but they're going to dominate the competition regardless?

People have funny expectations.


They say the same thing when they win, so I don't get what your saying lol


It isn't about what they said. What you are saying is the Kespa players haven't had successful in GSL because they focus on PL. Yet, you say they will dominate GSL in the future. But if they focus only on PL, how will dominate GSL?


Because they'll have a much better understanding of the game then they do now. You can already see how fast they're progressing.


I would say some are progressing quite quickly. But quite a few are still struggling.
BlazeFury01
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1460 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-01 00:12:03
February 01 2013 00:11 GMT
#1900
On February 01 2013 09:10 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 09:07 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On February 01 2013 09:06 vthree wrote:
On February 01 2013 08:57 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On February 01 2013 05:43 bittman wrote:
So kespa players don't practice for GSL which is a great excuse when they lose, but they're going to dominate the competition regardless?

People have funny expectations.


They say the same thing when they win, so I don't get what your saying lol


It isn't about what they said. What you are saying is the Kespa players haven't had successful in GSL because they focus on PL. Yet, you say they will dominate GSL in the future. But if they focus only on PL, how will dominate GSL?


Because they'll have a much better understanding of the game then they do now. You can already see how fast they're progressing.


I would say some are progressing quite quickly. But quite a few are still struggling.


This is true. I agree. Which is why I said futuristically. 1 year after HotS we shall see.
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