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On January 30 2013 23:19 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2013 23:14 Swisslink wrote:On January 30 2013 22:42 bittman wrote:On January 30 2013 22:38 FineAndDandy wrote:
Looks like MKP is back in form, he's doing quite well recently, maybe this is his season. Nah. No-one still looks close to Life's form. I think MC and Parting look good, and perhaps Stephano or DRG can put in a good showing. But Life is good. He's the only player I'm looking at in the entire tournament that I think "If he goes out I'll be shocked". Yeah, I don't think Life will lose a series this season. He may fall behind 0-1 in every single Bo3 0-2 in every Bo5 and 0-3 in the finals, but I don't really expect him to lose. He's looked terribly impressive lately, beside MVP I can't think of a player who dominated the scene as Life did the last few month I'd say Taeja, he just didn't win GSL for whatever reason. But his dominant run through the summer was quite impressive.
Taeja didn't really win that much. He won a not so stacked MLG arena and a Dreamhack (which never was really stacked). His runs in the GSL were good, but never that impressing. He got hyped a lot because he is on Team Liquid and played well and stable during that time. But you can't call that domination, because he lost series on a regular basis back then, when he ran in a top end player.
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On January 30 2013 23:30 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2013 23:27 Ghanburighan wrote:On January 30 2013 23:20 BisuDagger wrote:On January 30 2013 22:54 Ghanburighan wrote:On January 30 2013 22:26 Scrubwave wrote:Never forget 30/1. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/O0scnyt.png) Apparently it was Nomyx all along  + Show Spoiler + I knew it was Nomyx based off all his comments. But in short, there is a thread to discuss bans so make sure you check it out and post this there in the future!  Do you want to be any more condescending... Dude, you gotta stop interpreting things as personal offense
Is there another way to interpret that? He was being patronizing by assuming I don't know the ABL (which I should know considering my post count, the fact that I made the screenshot and that I have a bunch of posts in the ABL thread). And what for? Was it bothering people to discuss the Scrubwave Nomyx thing that happened in this very thread? Of course not. And it's not worthy of ABL attention to point out that one poster they won't know was trolling the LR thread...
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On January 30 2013 23:38 TeeTS wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2013 23:19 DarkLordOlli wrote:On January 30 2013 23:14 Swisslink wrote:On January 30 2013 22:42 bittman wrote:On January 30 2013 22:38 FineAndDandy wrote:
Looks like MKP is back in form, he's doing quite well recently, maybe this is his season. Nah. No-one still looks close to Life's form. I think MC and Parting look good, and perhaps Stephano or DRG can put in a good showing. But Life is good. He's the only player I'm looking at in the entire tournament that I think "If he goes out I'll be shocked". Yeah, I don't think Life will lose a series this season. He may fall behind 0-1 in every single Bo3 0-2 in every Bo5 and 0-3 in the finals, but I don't really expect him to lose. He's looked terribly impressive lately, beside MVP I can't think of a player who dominated the scene as Life did the last few month I'd say Taeja, he just didn't win GSL for whatever reason. But his dominant run through the summer was quite impressive. Taeja didn't really win that much. He won a not so stacked MLG arena and a Dreamhack (which never was really stacked). His runs in the GSL were good, but never that impressing. He got hyped a lot because he is on Team Liquid and played well and stable during that time. But you can't call that domination, because he lost series on a regular basis back then, when he ran in a top end player.
In teamleagues he basically dominated everyone.
Even back when he was on SlayerS, I'd say teamleagues are his strength.
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On January 30 2013 20:54 Waxangel wrote:
I don't like RorO so much as I just enjoy how unhappy he makes other people
Does that make you a bad person?
Yes, yes it does.
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On January 30 2013 23:38 TeeTS wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2013 23:19 DarkLordOlli wrote:On January 30 2013 23:14 Swisslink wrote:On January 30 2013 22:42 bittman wrote:On January 30 2013 22:38 FineAndDandy wrote:
Looks like MKP is back in form, he's doing quite well recently, maybe this is his season. Nah. No-one still looks close to Life's form. I think MC and Parting look good, and perhaps Stephano or DRG can put in a good showing. But Life is good. He's the only player I'm looking at in the entire tournament that I think "If he goes out I'll be shocked". Yeah, I don't think Life will lose a series this season. He may fall behind 0-1 in every single Bo3 0-2 in every Bo5 and 0-3 in the finals, but I don't really expect him to lose. He's looked terribly impressive lately, beside MVP I can't think of a player who dominated the scene as Life did the last few month I'd say Taeja, he just didn't win GSL for whatever reason. But his dominant run through the summer was quite impressive. Taeja didn't really win that much. He won a not so stacked MLG arena and a Dreamhack (which never was really stacked). His runs in the GSL were good, but never that impressing. He got hyped a lot because he is on Team Liquid and played well and stable during that time. But you can't call that domination, because he lost series on a regular basis back then, when he ran in a top end player.
wow come on now. Taeja was on the biggest steamroll ever.
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IPL_Team_Arena_Challenge/3/Statistics
1st Taeja 23-3 with 2 all-kills
2nd Revival 12-3 (which is impressive if Taeja isnt around)
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mkp got lucky he didnt have to face mvp.
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wow, wtf mvp. You should have dropped out after season 4 and do surgery/ get rest. Trying to stay in code S was a mistake. Now I really wish you will drop down to Code B.
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On January 31 2013 00:09 aintz wrote:
mkp got lucky he didnt have to face mvp.
mvp is in poor confition now, his wrist is broken.
mkp lost a chance to beat mvp.
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On January 30 2013 23:39 Ghanburighan wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2013 23:30 DarkLordOlli wrote:On January 30 2013 23:27 Ghanburighan wrote:On January 30 2013 23:20 BisuDagger wrote:On January 30 2013 22:54 Ghanburighan wrote:On January 30 2013 22:26 Scrubwave wrote:Never forget 30/1. Apparently it was Nomyx all along + Show Spoiler + I knew it was Nomyx based off all his comments. But in short, there is a thread to discuss bans so make sure you check it out and post this there in the future! Do you want to be any more condescending... Dude, you gotta stop interpreting things as personal offense Is there another way to interpret that? He was being patronizing by assuming I don't know the ABL (which I should know considering my post count, the fact that I made the screenshot and that I have a bunch of posts in the ABL thread). And what for? Was it bothering people to discuss the Scrubwave Nomyx thing that happened in this very thread? Of course not. And it's not worthy of ABL attention to point out that one poster they won't know was trolling the LR thread...
The fuck? You never know what people know or don't know. There was nothing wrong with him pointing that out to you. You're just being a sensitive, little girl.
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On January 30 2013 23:10 kc2siq wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2013 22:39 DarkLordOlli wrote:On January 30 2013 22:37 decado90 wrote:
I'm a high masters Terran that loses to diamond Zergs. I watched the GSL today to learn about TvZ....
All I have to do is play like MKP! Actually that won't get you too far, lol. At least not in TvZ I can see why you think that since people want to hate his style for being stupid and gimmicky. But for all the hate, people dismiss him because he gets owned by near the final elimination rounds while forgetting he's one of the few non-zergs left in those very elimination rounds. He's one of the top performing players in terms of non-zergs period. That's hard to believe, but if you remove the zerg domination, you'll realize it's true and check his results 1) 2 back to back ro8 finish in GSL. (this season he's already made it to ro16, one of the 3/9 terrans to make it so far) 2) Last non-zerg in Iron Squid 3) Numericle House Cup 4) Last non-zerg round of HSC6 Seriously, he's no longer a champion contender, but his style gets him far. His style is stupid, it's gimmicky, but for all intents and purposes it's put him in top 5 terran in terms of results in the past few months. EDIT: miscounted something
Yeah, well, let's do this really, now:
- Last Non-zerg in Ironsquid => because he played protoss up to Ro4 => then got rolled by Life & Nestea. He had also lost to Scarlett in group stage.
- HSC6 => beat Ret & Xlord... Yay.
- GSL4 => lost to Curious, beat Jaedong (who was just starting) and Curious in Ro16 (through lol metagame) loses to Life (3 zergs out of 8 in that round)
- GSL5 => 2-1 Sniper and Hyun, I haven't seen the games.
So yeah apart from GSL5 I don't see that much greatness vs zergs in this whole thing... He's clearly good, but his TvZ isn't anything special to look at right now and I don't see how the results you've posted speak otherwise.
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He destroyed sniper and hyun last season mmm and mech. They were the two finalists, that alone is more than any other terran has done. Keep in mind tvz winrates have been around 35% to 40% for terran in the last few months. Mkp is mainly a top player now because he has top 3 tvp and tvt, no terran on the planet is good at tvz
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
Sigh, now I'm not sure if I want to buy a Season ticket (I always buy after the first round depending on the players)
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On January 31 2013 00:23 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2013 23:10 kc2siq wrote:On January 30 2013 22:39 DarkLordOlli wrote:On January 30 2013 22:37 decado90 wrote:
I'm a high masters Terran that loses to diamond Zergs. I watched the GSL today to learn about TvZ....
All I have to do is play like MKP! Actually that won't get you too far, lol. At least not in TvZ I can see why you think that since people want to hate his style for being stupid and gimmicky. But for all the hate, people dismiss him because he gets owned by near the final elimination rounds while forgetting he's one of the few non-zergs left in those very elimination rounds. He's one of the top performing players in terms of non-zergs period. That's hard to believe, but if you remove the zerg domination, you'll realize it's true and check his results 1) 2 back to back ro8 finish in GSL. (this season he's already made it to ro16, one of the 3/9 terrans to make it so far) 2) Last non-zerg in Iron Squid 3) Numericle House Cup 4) Last non-zerg round of HSC6 Seriously, he's no longer a champion contender, but his style gets him far. His style is stupid, it's gimmicky, but for all intents and purposes it's put him in top 5 terran in terms of results in the past few months. EDIT: miscounted something Yeah, well, let's do this really, now: - Last Non-zerg in Ironsquid => because he played protoss up to Ro4 => then got rolled by Life & Nestea. He had also lost to Scarlett in group stage. - HSC6 => beat Ret & Xlord... Yay. - GSL4 => lost to Curious, beat Jaedong (who was just starting) and Curious in Ro16 (through lol metagame) loses to Life (3 zergs out of 8 in that round) - GSL5 => 2-1 Sniper and Hyun, I haven't seen the games. So yeah apart from GSL5 I don't see that much greatness vs zergs in this whole thing... He's clearly good, but his TvZ isn't anything special to look at right now and I don't see how the results you've posted speak otherwise.
My main point is that his style gets him far.
I never really said his TvZ is strong and no terran has really strong TvZ lately and still doesn't. You can only really make a case for Bomber, but his TvZ is arguably as gimmicky and inconsistent as MKP's.
Just saying his style gets him far and he's a top 5 terran.
I don't get how what you said contradicts anything I said... soo... huh.
EDIT: The reason I removed the zerg finishers out of the equation is because I wanted to make a case about MKP relative to his non-zerg peers. And relative to his non-zerg peers he has performed fantastically. The idea is that even if you lose horribly to all these zergs, you're still doing better than everyone else that is playing "correctly" and whom think MKP's style is a gimmick.
EDIT2: Let me highlight this again:
The idea is that even if you lose horribly to all these zergs, you're still doing better than everyone else that is playing "correctly" and whom think MKP's style is a gimmick.
When I say everyone else, I mean non-zergs for the most part. There are only a few non-zergs whom have performed better than him these past few months.
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PPl talk down mkp because he lost to life (which every terran does) and lost to Nestea in an insignificant match.
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On January 31 2013 00:48 kc2siq wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2013 00:23 Nebuchad wrote:On January 30 2013 23:10 kc2siq wrote:On January 30 2013 22:39 DarkLordOlli wrote:On January 30 2013 22:37 decado90 wrote:
I'm a high masters Terran that loses to diamond Zergs. I watched the GSL today to learn about TvZ....
All I have to do is play like MKP! Actually that won't get you too far, lol. At least not in TvZ I can see why you think that since people want to hate his style for being stupid and gimmicky. But for all the hate, people dismiss him because he gets owned by near the final elimination rounds while forgetting he's one of the few non-zergs left in those very elimination rounds. He's one of the top performing players in terms of non-zergs period. That's hard to believe, but if you remove the zerg domination, you'll realize it's true and check his results 1) 2 back to back ro8 finish in GSL. (this season he's already made it to ro16, one of the 3/9 terrans to make it so far) 2) Last non-zerg in Iron Squid 3) Numericle House Cup 4) Last non-zerg round of HSC6 Seriously, he's no longer a champion contender, but his style gets him far. His style is stupid, it's gimmicky, but for all intents and purposes it's put him in top 5 terran in terms of results in the past few months. EDIT: miscounted something Yeah, well, let's do this really, now: - Last Non-zerg in Ironsquid => because he played protoss up to Ro4 => then got rolled by Life & Nestea. He had also lost to Scarlett in group stage. - HSC6 => beat Ret & Xlord... Yay. - GSL4 => lost to Curious, beat Jaedong (who was just starting) and Curious in Ro16 (through lol metagame) loses to Life (3 zergs out of 8 in that round) - GSL5 => 2-1 Sniper and Hyun, I haven't seen the games. So yeah apart from GSL5 I don't see that much greatness vs zergs in this whole thing... He's clearly good, but his TvZ isn't anything special to look at right now and I don't see how the results you've posted speak otherwise. My main point is that his style gets him far. I never really said his TvZ is strong and no terran has really strong TvZ lately and still doesn't. You can only really make a case for Bomber, but his TvZ is arguably as gimmicky and inconsistent as MKP's. Just saying his style gets him far and he's a top 5 terran. I don't get how what you said contradicts anything I said... soo... huh. EDIT: The reason I removed the zerg finishers out of the equation is because I wanted to make a case about MKP relative to his non-zerg peers. And relative to his non-zerg peers he has performed fantastically. The idea is that even if you lose horribly to all these zergs, you're still doing better than everyone else that is playing "correctly" and whom think MKP's style is a gimmick.
I'm sorry I was expecting you to talk about MKP's TvZ since you answered to someone who said MKP style won't get you far in TvZ... It was a mistake on my part.
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On January 31 2013 00:53 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2013 00:48 kc2siq wrote:On January 31 2013 00:23 Nebuchad wrote:On January 30 2013 23:10 kc2siq wrote:On January 30 2013 22:39 DarkLordOlli wrote:On January 30 2013 22:37 decado90 wrote:
I'm a high masters Terran that loses to diamond Zergs. I watched the GSL today to learn about TvZ....
All I have to do is play like MKP! Actually that won't get you too far, lol. At least not in TvZ I can see why you think that since people want to hate his style for being stupid and gimmicky. But for all the hate, people dismiss him because he gets owned by near the final elimination rounds while forgetting he's one of the few non-zergs left in those very elimination rounds. He's one of the top performing players in terms of non-zergs period. That's hard to believe, but if you remove the zerg domination, you'll realize it's true and check his results 1) 2 back to back ro8 finish in GSL. (this season he's already made it to ro16, one of the 3/9 terrans to make it so far) 2) Last non-zerg in Iron Squid 3) Numericle House Cup 4) Last non-zerg round of HSC6 Seriously, he's no longer a champion contender, but his style gets him far. His style is stupid, it's gimmicky, but for all intents and purposes it's put him in top 5 terran in terms of results in the past few months. EDIT: miscounted something Yeah, well, let's do this really, now: - Last Non-zerg in Ironsquid => because he played protoss up to Ro4 => then got rolled by Life & Nestea. He had also lost to Scarlett in group stage. - HSC6 => beat Ret & Xlord... Yay. - GSL4 => lost to Curious, beat Jaedong (who was just starting) and Curious in Ro16 (through lol metagame) loses to Life (3 zergs out of 8 in that round) - GSL5 => 2-1 Sniper and Hyun, I haven't seen the games. So yeah apart from GSL5 I don't see that much greatness vs zergs in this whole thing... He's clearly good, but his TvZ isn't anything special to look at right now and I don't see how the results you've posted speak otherwise. My main point is that his style gets him far. I never really said his TvZ is strong and no terran has really strong TvZ lately and still doesn't. You can only really make a case for Bomber, but his TvZ is arguably as gimmicky and inconsistent as MKP's. Just saying his style gets him far and he's a top 5 terran. I don't get how what you said contradicts anything I said... soo... huh. EDIT: The reason I removed the zerg finishers out of the equation is because I wanted to make a case about MKP relative to his non-zerg peers. And relative to his non-zerg peers he has performed fantastically. The idea is that even if you lose horribly to all these zergs, you're still doing better than everyone else that is playing "correctly" and whom think MKP's style is a gimmick. I'm sorry I was expecting you to talk about MKP's TvZ since you answered to someone who said MKP style won't get you far in TvZ... It was a mistake on my part.
No worries, sorry if I came off as hostile.
I wanted to make a relative case. Not an absolute case.
His TvZ sucks, but sucks NOT AS BADLY as most terrans IMO.
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Omg it's so hard to be sarcastic Oô
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On January 31 2013 00:48 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2013 00:45 lichter wrote:
Sigh, now I'm not sure if I want to buy a Season ticket (I always buy after the first round depending on the players) just wait until  NesTea, Soulkey, DRG, and Stephano advance from the last 2 groups muahahaha
Well I like NesTea and Soulkey so 2/4 wouldn't be so bad
Not sure who I am rooting for now
Gumiho? T_T
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