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On January 08 2013 22:31 Darkshark wrote:
Well at least he was smiling after his lose. I hope, he doesn't take the 0:5 too serious. I really hope that he will imrpve a lot in Korea and comes back strong.
There is no coming back. Most fan favourite foreigners are just too old and not good enough to endure the same training that the countless players from esf/kespa do.
When the korean players also prepare for a few specific people on known maps, i cant just see any foreigner winning. Maybe Stephano (under 20 years, and quite talented) has a slight chance to make an impact in GSL/SPL, but i really doubt that EG can provide the necessary training enviroment.
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On January 08 2013 22:38 GaliX wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 22:36 Nebuchad wrote:On January 08 2013 22:35 GaliX wrote:On January 08 2013 22:31 Assirra wrote:On January 08 2013 22:29 GaliX wrote:On January 08 2013 22:28 RPR_Tempest wrote:
I feel like Grubby shouldn't have lost this game. welcome to PvZ where winning is harder. That was Grubby making mistakes rather then PvZ tough. Where was the zealot to block the zerglings? Why not attack when you are already behind and its a matter of time before you are overwhelmed? As I said. I dont get the match up. You have to play 100% to win a PvZ While Zerg can be sloppy an lose like 2000 minerals in the beginning and still put down the 4th while forcing chancel on the Protoss 3rd. As long as you not cheesing hard, the Zerg player will always find a hole in your wall. Which is why I have no clue why both Grubby and First only tried macro games... Can I pleas get quoted if there no Protoss in the RO16 in code S ? It wouldnt suprise me at all.
Statistically speaking that's not too unlikely.
HerO and Genius need to go through tomorrow. Then finale and someone else in group E, maybe nestea?
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Well im right in all predictions today :D
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On January 08 2013 22:38 Shellshock1122 wrote:Hey guys, I have 8 AM labs on Wednesday this semester so there is no way I'll be able to do the threads. Who wants to make the thread for tomorrow's up and down group?  Liquid HerO is playing if that's an incentive for anyone.
Please someone do it, can't watch but I have to be updated on HerO's games T_T
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On January 08 2013 22:34 Martijn wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 22:31 dubRa wrote:On January 08 2013 22:29 Martijn wrote:
Hmpf. None of you have considered this could be a strategic play by Grubby. He probably likes his chances to win Code A better than winning Code S. Being a true champion, he cares more about titles than qfinal finishes. Clearly, Grubby picked to play Code A instead. Considering Grubby has more experience as a progamer than 95% of the players in Code A, I give Grubby a 95% chance of winning Code A after todays showings.
I believe. Your fanboyism is very solid Martin.  True Dutch Let it be known I play favorites. Logic and plausibility be damned. Until a day comes where they deport him from South Korea and ban him from ever coming back, Grubby is winning GSL.
Agreed, better to enjoy the effort and be positive.
Let all the negative nancies ride the bitter bus.
I enjoyed seeing Grubby in a GSL booth. He had a pretty bad and ruff day. But, Grubby will get back on that horse, work hard and fight back, that is why I appreciate him.
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On January 08 2013 22:38 GaliX wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 22:36 Nebuchad wrote:On January 08 2013 22:35 GaliX wrote:On January 08 2013 22:31 Assirra wrote:On January 08 2013 22:29 GaliX wrote:On January 08 2013 22:28 RPR_Tempest wrote:
I feel like Grubby shouldn't have lost this game. welcome to PvZ where winning is harder. That was Grubby making mistakes rather then PvZ tough. Where was the zealot to block the zerglings? Why not attack when you are already behind and its a matter of time before you are overwhelmed? As I said. I dont get the match up. You have to play 100% to win a PvZ While Zerg can be sloppy an lose like 2000 minerals in the beginning and still put down the 4th while forcing chancel on the Protoss 3rd. As long as you not cheesing hard, the Zerg player will always find a hole in your wall. Which is why I have no clue why both Grubby and First only tried macro games... Can I pleas get quoted if there no Protoss in the RO16 in code S ? It wouldnt suprise me at all.
I expect two or three to get through. Parting and Creator are just too good to care about being underpowered =)
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On January 08 2013 22:40 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 22:38 Shellshock1122 wrote:Hey guys, I have 8 AM labs on Wednesday this semester so there is no way I'll be able to do the threads. Who wants to make the thread for tomorrow's up and down group? Liquid HerO is playing if that's an incentive for anyone. Please someone do it, can't watch but I have to be updated on HerO's games T_T
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=339146¤tpage=13#250
The OP is even already made. You just have to bold the names as they win and post some polls :D anyone?
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On January 08 2013 22:39 gingerfluffmuff wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 22:31 Darkshark wrote:
Well at least he was smiling after his lose. I hope, he doesn't take the 0:5 too serious. I really hope that he will imrpve a lot in Korea and comes back strong. There is no coming back. Most fan favourite foreigners are just too old and not good enough to endure the same training that the countless players from esf/kespa do. When the korean players also prepare for a few specific people on known maps, i cant just see any foreigner winning. Maybe Stephano (under 20 years, and quite talented) has a slight chance to make an impact in GSL/SPL, but i really doubt that EG can provide the necessary training enviroment.
even stephano will have a hard time in gsl! i think i remeber him telling in an interview that he likes tournaments like MLG, IPL etc. more coz people cant prepare that much than. but in code s he will meet alot of top tier players that are prepared for his playstyle...
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Unlike this group that was by far the worst for a protoss with 3Z in it, the 2 remaining groups are easier, with only 1Z per group, and these zergs, Nestea and ByuL certainly not being as good as DRG or Symbol.
Also there are 3 toss in each of the 2 remaining groups, so we can hope for at least 1P advancing to code S, and maybe 1 in the wild card group (where any P would die anyway, considering the amount of Z already).
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On January 08 2013 22:38 GaliX wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 22:36 Nebuchad wrote:On January 08 2013 22:35 GaliX wrote:On January 08 2013 22:31 Assirra wrote:On January 08 2013 22:29 GaliX wrote:On January 08 2013 22:28 RPR_Tempest wrote:
I feel like Grubby shouldn't have lost this game. welcome to PvZ where winning is harder. That was Grubby making mistakes rather then PvZ tough. Where was the zealot to block the zerglings? Why not attack when you are already behind and its a matter of time before you are overwhelmed? As I said. I dont get the match up. You have to play 100% to win a PvZ While Zerg can be sloppy an lose like 2000 minerals in the beginning and still put down the 4th while forcing chancel on the Protoss 3rd. As long as you not cheesing hard, the Zerg player will always find a hole in your wall. Which is why I have no clue why both Grubby and First only tried macro games... Can I pleas get quoted if there is no Protoss left in the RO16 in code S ? It wouldnt suprise me at all. The only hope is the Parting Immortal train.
Can i please quote you for overdramatizing when the first Protoss get in R016. Grubby made some silly mistakes that has nothing to do with the state of PvZ.
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On January 08 2013 22:48 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 22:38 GaliX wrote:On January 08 2013 22:36 Nebuchad wrote:On January 08 2013 22:35 GaliX wrote:On January 08 2013 22:31 Assirra wrote:On January 08 2013 22:29 GaliX wrote:On January 08 2013 22:28 RPR_Tempest wrote:
I feel like Grubby shouldn't have lost this game. welcome to PvZ where winning is harder. That was Grubby making mistakes rather then PvZ tough. Where was the zealot to block the zerglings? Why not attack when you are already behind and its a matter of time before you are overwhelmed? As I said. I dont get the match up. You have to play 100% to win a PvZ While Zerg can be sloppy an lose like 2000 minerals in the beginning and still put down the 4th while forcing chancel on the Protoss 3rd. As long as you not cheesing hard, the Zerg player will always find a hole in your wall. Which is why I have no clue why both Grubby and First only tried macro games... Can I pleas get quoted if there is no Protoss left in the RO16 in code S ? It wouldnt suprise me at all. The only hope is the Parting Immortal train. Can i please quote you for overdramatizing when the first Protoss get in R016. Grubby made some silly mistakes that has nothing to do with the state of PvZ.
But the state of PvZ is what it is nonetheless...
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On January 08 2013 22:49 samurai80 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 22:48 Assirra wrote:On January 08 2013 22:38 GaliX wrote:On January 08 2013 22:36 Nebuchad wrote:On January 08 2013 22:35 GaliX wrote:On January 08 2013 22:31 Assirra wrote:On January 08 2013 22:29 GaliX wrote:On January 08 2013 22:28 RPR_Tempest wrote:
I feel like Grubby shouldn't have lost this game. welcome to PvZ where winning is harder. That was Grubby making mistakes rather then PvZ tough. Where was the zealot to block the zerglings? Why not attack when you are already behind and its a matter of time before you are overwhelmed? As I said. I dont get the match up. You have to play 100% to win a PvZ While Zerg can be sloppy an lose like 2000 minerals in the beginning and still put down the 4th while forcing chancel on the Protoss 3rd. As long as you not cheesing hard, the Zerg player will always find a hole in your wall. Which is why I have no clue why both Grubby and First only tried macro games... Can I pleas get quoted if there is no Protoss left in the RO16 in code S ? It wouldnt suprise me at all. The only hope is the Parting Immortal train. Can i please quote you for overdramatizing when the first Protoss get in R016. Grubby made some silly mistakes that has nothing to do with the state of PvZ. But the state of PvZ is what it is nonetheless...
Proleague win rates say differently
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On January 08 2013 22:45 KOtical wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 22:39 gingerfluffmuff wrote:On January 08 2013 22:31 Darkshark wrote:
Well at least he was smiling after his lose. I hope, he doesn't take the 0:5 too serious. I really hope that he will imrpve a lot in Korea and comes back strong. There is no coming back. Most fan favourite foreigners are just too old and not good enough to endure the same training that the countless players from esf/kespa do. When the korean players also prepare for a few specific people on known maps, i cant just see any foreigner winning. Maybe Stephano (under 20 years, and quite talented) has a slight chance to make an impact in GSL/SPL, but i really doubt that EG can provide the necessary training enviroment. even stephano will have a hard time in gsl! i think i remeber him telling in an interview that he likes tournaments like MLG, IPL etc. more coz people cant prepare that much than. but in code s he will meet alot of top tier players that are prepared for his playstyle...
Yeah, it should be very hard for him to win games. I am really looking forward to see him play in GSL/SPL. (not a fanboy, just curiosity)
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On January 08 2013 22:42 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 22:40 DarkLordOlli wrote:On January 08 2013 22:38 Shellshock1122 wrote:Hey guys, I have 8 AM labs on Wednesday this semester so there is no way I'll be able to do the threads. Who wants to make the thread for tomorrow's up and down group? Liquid HerO is playing if that's an incentive for anyone. Please someone do it, can't watch but I have to be updated on HerO's games T_T http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=339146¤tpage=13#250The OP is even already made. You just have to bold the names as they win and post some polls :D anyone?
Sorry, at work and quite busy :`(
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On January 08 2013 22:53 TommyP wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 22:49 samurai80 wrote:On January 08 2013 22:48 Assirra wrote:On January 08 2013 22:38 GaliX wrote:On January 08 2013 22:36 Nebuchad wrote:On January 08 2013 22:35 GaliX wrote:On January 08 2013 22:31 Assirra wrote:On January 08 2013 22:29 GaliX wrote:On January 08 2013 22:28 RPR_Tempest wrote:
I feel like Grubby shouldn't have lost this game. welcome to PvZ where winning is harder. That was Grubby making mistakes rather then PvZ tough. Where was the zealot to block the zerglings? Why not attack when you are already behind and its a matter of time before you are overwhelmed? As I said. I dont get the match up. You have to play 100% to win a PvZ While Zerg can be sloppy an lose like 2000 minerals in the beginning and still put down the 4th while forcing chancel on the Protoss 3rd. As long as you not cheesing hard, the Zerg player will always find a hole in your wall. Which is why I have no clue why both Grubby and First only tried macro games... Can I pleas get quoted if there is no Protoss left in the RO16 in code S ? It wouldnt suprise me at all. The only hope is the Parting Immortal train. Can i please quote you for overdramatizing when the first Protoss get in R016. Grubby made some silly mistakes that has nothing to do with the state of PvZ. But the state of PvZ is what it is nonetheless... Proleague win rates say differently
Sigh, why do people keep bringing up overall winrates every time. Even worse, PL winrates.
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On January 08 2013 22:53 TommyP wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 22:49 samurai80 wrote:On January 08 2013 22:48 Assirra wrote:On January 08 2013 22:38 GaliX wrote:On January 08 2013 22:36 Nebuchad wrote:On January 08 2013 22:35 GaliX wrote:On January 08 2013 22:31 Assirra wrote:On January 08 2013 22:29 GaliX wrote:On January 08 2013 22:28 RPR_Tempest wrote:
I feel like Grubby shouldn't have lost this game. welcome to PvZ where winning is harder. That was Grubby making mistakes rather then PvZ tough. Where was the zealot to block the zerglings? Why not attack when you are already behind and its a matter of time before you are overwhelmed? As I said. I dont get the match up. You have to play 100% to win a PvZ While Zerg can be sloppy an lose like 2000 minerals in the beginning and still put down the 4th while forcing chancel on the Protoss 3rd. As long as you not cheesing hard, the Zerg player will always find a hole in your wall. Which is why I have no clue why both Grubby and First only tried macro games... Can I pleas get quoted if there is no Protoss left in the RO16 in code S ? It wouldnt suprise me at all. The only hope is the Parting Immortal train. Can i please quote you for overdramatizing when the first Protoss get in R016. Grubby made some silly mistakes that has nothing to do with the state of PvZ. But the state of PvZ is what it is nonetheless... Proleague win rates say differently
I feel sorry for PL zergs then...
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On January 08 2013 22:38 Shellshock1122 wrote:Hey guys, I have 8 AM labs on Wednesday this semester so there is no way I'll be able to do the threads. Who wants to make the thread for tomorrow's up and down group? Liquid HerO is playing if that's an incentive for anyone.
Oh god damn it why the hell did i pay for that school trip that was optional 
shit the fuck.
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On January 08 2013 22:53 TommyP wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 22:49 samurai80 wrote:On January 08 2013 22:48 Assirra wrote:On January 08 2013 22:38 GaliX wrote:On January 08 2013 22:36 Nebuchad wrote:On January 08 2013 22:35 GaliX wrote:On January 08 2013 22:31 Assirra wrote:On January 08 2013 22:29 GaliX wrote:On January 08 2013 22:28 RPR_Tempest wrote:
I feel like Grubby shouldn't have lost this game. welcome to PvZ where winning is harder. That was Grubby making mistakes rather then PvZ tough. Where was the zealot to block the zerglings? Why not attack when you are already behind and its a matter of time before you are overwhelmed? As I said. I dont get the match up. You have to play 100% to win a PvZ While Zerg can be sloppy an lose like 2000 minerals in the beginning and still put down the 4th while forcing chancel on the Protoss 3rd. As long as you not cheesing hard, the Zerg player will always find a hole in your wall. Which is why I have no clue why both Grubby and First only tried macro games... Can I pleas get quoted if there is no Protoss left in the RO16 in code S ? It wouldnt suprise me at all. The only hope is the Parting Immortal train. Can i please quote you for overdramatizing when the first Protoss get in R016. Grubby made some silly mistakes that has nothing to do with the state of PvZ. But the state of PvZ is what it is nonetheless... Proleague win rates say differently
It might go that way when you consider the Rain factor. Aka the best player in Proleague. HerO is pretty good too.
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Everytime i turn around another zerg is added into the wild card... uhh JD Code s I think.
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On January 08 2013 22:39 gingerfluffmuff wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 22:31 Darkshark wrote:
Well at least he was smiling after his lose. I hope, he doesn't take the 0:5 too serious. I really hope that he will imrpve a lot in Korea and comes back strong. There is no coming back. Most fan favourite foreigners are just too old and not good enough to endure the same training that the countless players from esf/kespa do. When the korean players also prepare for a few specific people on known maps, i cant just see any foreigner winning. Maybe Stephano (under 20 years, and quite talented) has a slight chance to make an impact in GSL/SPL, but i really doubt that EG can provide the necessary training enviroment.
Saying something like this feels like it just ignores Grubby's Esports pedigree. If there's any foreigner who can endure the rigorous training required and succeed at the highest level of the game in Korea, I think perhaps maybe one of the best if not the best War3 player can do it. He DEFINITELY has the talent, if he applies it.
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