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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
January 06 2013 05:40 GMT
#2741
On January 06 2013 14:15 Black[CAT] wrote:
In the end, Jaedong is a better choice.

Really disappointed -.- Taeja is far better than JYP, what did they think he could accomplish? TvP even is Flash's strongest.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
January 06 2013 05:40 GMT
#2742
On January 06 2013 14:38 MooMooMugi wrote:
FLASH ALL KILL, THE GODS HAVE SPOKEN

There is only one god, but yes he has
Hey do you want to hear a joke? Chinese production value. | I thought he had a aegis- Ayesee | When did 7ing mad last have a good game, 2012?
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
January 06 2013 05:41 GMT
#2743
On January 06 2013 14:39 Kznn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2013 14:33 rysecake wrote:
On January 06 2013 14:33 Anta wrote:
On January 06 2013 14:29 TommyP wrote:
On January 06 2013 14:27 Anta wrote:
On January 06 2013 14:25 rysecake wrote:
On January 06 2013 14:24 Anta wrote:
On January 06 2013 14:20 Dodgin wrote:
On January 06 2013 14:20 Lillpapps wrote:
On January 06 2013 14:19 TommyP wrote:
[quote]
Revival is better than Stephano anyway.

are you serious?


I have to agree Revival is better, he just choked badly today.

lol Revival isn't anywhere near Stephano.


you're right. he isn't anywhere near. he's way too far above him

you will eat your words

as always

I like Stephano.

I dont like how people think Stephano is better than zergs such as Leenock, ViOlet, DRG and Life.

you know how much stephano trained in is whole carrier?

it equals maybe 3 month training of those you mentioned

just let him sit one month in korea and see


ah yes, the good ol' stephano is so talented he only has trained for 3 months bullshit


I really can`t stand this kind of shit TT
those fanboys are so sad.


what's worse, flash fanboys, stephano fanboys or EG-TL fanboys!?
Anta
Profile Joined April 2012
Germany434 Posts
January 06 2013 05:41 GMT
#2744
On January 06 2013 14:38 jidolboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2013 14:37 Anta wrote:
On January 06 2013 14:33 rysecake wrote:
On January 06 2013 14:33 Anta wrote:
On January 06 2013 14:29 TommyP wrote:
On January 06 2013 14:27 Anta wrote:
On January 06 2013 14:25 rysecake wrote:
On January 06 2013 14:24 Anta wrote:
On January 06 2013 14:20 Dodgin wrote:
On January 06 2013 14:20 Lillpapps wrote:
[quote]
are you serious?


I have to agree Revival is better, he just choked badly today.

lol Revival isn't anywhere near Stephano.


you're right. he isn't anywhere near. he's way too far above him

you will eat your words

as always

I like Stephano.

I dont like how people think Stephano is better than zergs such as Leenock, ViOlet, DRG and Life.

you know how much stephano trained in is whole carrier?

it equals maybe 3 month training of those you mentioned

just let him sit one month in korea and see


ah yes, the good ol' stephano is so talented he only has trained for 3 months bullshit

plus he nearly only played ladder games
nothing against the regime that koreans do with coaches, specific training of certain situations and so on


Ah. That's because he can only have one account. Right?

he has just one per server thats right
"In short: stop bitching, change your tampons and up your game." mad respect to CloudNineLabs.com http://i.imgur.com/g5KGz.jpg ! I love Dreamhack!
Kznn
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil9072 Posts
January 06 2013 05:41 GMT
#2745
On January 06 2013 14:38 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2013 14:36 VoirDire wrote:
On January 06 2013 14:25 MosART wrote:
50-60 games..maybe 30 games on cheesing, kill you opponent in 10min or less. Flash did started out as a great cheeser.

An average game is about 18 game minutes (source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=240774) which is about 13 real minutes. 60 games * 13 minutes = 13 hours, which isn't unreasonable for a BW pro. And flash probably wins faster in practice.

even still you still need to search for games, eat, gym, bathroom, etc. and the KR ladder isn't always teeming with games, especially high GM from about morning to early afternoon. unless the games are 100% inhouse, it's really really hard to pull off.


He probably plays 70% inhouses 30% ladders. 60 games a day is possible, but not likely. 45 to 50 is more accurate imo
VoirDire
Profile Joined February 2009
Sweden1923 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-06 05:48:36
January 06 2013 05:41 GMT
#2746
On January 06 2013 14:38 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2013 14:36 VoirDire wrote:
On January 06 2013 14:25 MosART wrote:
50-60 games..maybe 30 games on cheesing, kill you opponent in 10min or less. Flash did started out as a great cheeser.

An average game is about 18 game minutes (source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=240774) which is about 13 real minutes. 60 games * 13 minutes = 13 hours, which isn't unreasonable for a BW pro. And flash probably wins faster in practice.

That data is from July 2011

Is there any reason to believe that average game length has changed dramatically since then?

EDIT: Last GSL game length was 17:43 minutes (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012_Global_StarCraft_II_League_Season_5/Code_S_Statistics).
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
January 06 2013 05:41 GMT
#2747
On January 06 2013 14:38 Scarecrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2013 14:35 opterown wrote:
i still think it's near impossible to play 50-60 meaningful games of sc2 per day

Define 'meaningful', he seems to be benefiting from it.

meaningful = not a cheese or complete build order win (i.e. most games under ~12 minutes are like that)
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
Tobblish
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden6404 Posts
January 06 2013 05:41 GMT
#2748
On January 06 2013 14:39 bo1b wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2013 14:38 Scarecrow wrote:
On January 06 2013 14:35 opterown wrote:
i still think it's near impossible to play 50-60 meaningful games of sc2 per day

Define 'meaningful', he seems to be benefiting from it.

If it takes 20 minutes to play a game and find another one, then at 50 games thats 16hours and 40 minutes, at 60 games thats 20 hours. There simply isn't enough time in the day to play that many games.


Who said he was playing full games?
Naniwa and some others have just mentioned that he PLAYED SC2.
Nothing about laddering.

As I've said before he probably tested micro/macro trainers, builds against AI and partners etc.
NOT full games.
The curse is real
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
January 06 2013 05:41 GMT
#2749
On January 06 2013 14:41 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2013 14:39 Kznn wrote:
On January 06 2013 14:33 rysecake wrote:
On January 06 2013 14:33 Anta wrote:
On January 06 2013 14:29 TommyP wrote:
On January 06 2013 14:27 Anta wrote:
On January 06 2013 14:25 rysecake wrote:
On January 06 2013 14:24 Anta wrote:
On January 06 2013 14:20 Dodgin wrote:
On January 06 2013 14:20 Lillpapps wrote:
[quote]
are you serious?


I have to agree Revival is better, he just choked badly today.

lol Revival isn't anywhere near Stephano.


you're right. he isn't anywhere near. he's way too far above him

you will eat your words

as always

I like Stephano.

I dont like how people think Stephano is better than zergs such as Leenock, ViOlet, DRG and Life.

you know how much stephano trained in is whole carrier?

it equals maybe 3 month training of those you mentioned

just let him sit one month in korea and see


ah yes, the good ol' stephano is so talented he only has trained for 3 months bullshit


I really can`t stand this kind of shit TT
those fanboys are so sad.


what's worse, flash fanboys, stephano fanboys or EG-TL fanboys!?

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Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
January 06 2013 05:42 GMT
#2750
On January 06 2013 14:39 bo1b wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2013 14:38 Scarecrow wrote:
On January 06 2013 14:35 opterown wrote:
i still think it's near impossible to play 50-60 meaningful games of sc2 per day

Define 'meaningful', he seems to be benefiting from it.

If it takes 20 minutes to play a game and find another one, then at 50 games thats 16hours and 40 minutes, at 60 games thats 20 hours. There simply isn't enough time in the day to play that many games.

It'd be more like 15 on average.
Yhamm is the god of predictions
Kznn
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil9072 Posts
January 06 2013 05:42 GMT
#2751
On January 06 2013 14:41 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2013 14:39 Kznn wrote:
On January 06 2013 14:33 rysecake wrote:
On January 06 2013 14:33 Anta wrote:
On January 06 2013 14:29 TommyP wrote:
On January 06 2013 14:27 Anta wrote:
On January 06 2013 14:25 rysecake wrote:
On January 06 2013 14:24 Anta wrote:
On January 06 2013 14:20 Dodgin wrote:
On January 06 2013 14:20 Lillpapps wrote:
[quote]
are you serious?


I have to agree Revival is better, he just choked badly today.

lol Revival isn't anywhere near Stephano.


you're right. he isn't anywhere near. he's way too far above him

you will eat your words

as always

I like Stephano.

I dont like how people think Stephano is better than zergs such as Leenock, ViOlet, DRG and Life.

you know how much stephano trained in is whole carrier?

it equals maybe 3 month training of those you mentioned

just let him sit one month in korea and see


ah yes, the good ol' stephano is so talented he only has trained for 3 months bullshit


I really can`t stand this kind of shit TT
those fanboys are so sad.


what's worse, flash fanboys, stephano fanboys or EG-TL fanboys!?


Any kind, does not matter that much. Blind fanboyism is just sad overall.

sour_eraser
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada932 Posts
January 06 2013 05:42 GMT
#2752
On January 06 2013 14:41 Anta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2013 14:38 jidolboy wrote:
On January 06 2013 14:37 Anta wrote:
On January 06 2013 14:33 rysecake wrote:
On January 06 2013 14:33 Anta wrote:
On January 06 2013 14:29 TommyP wrote:
On January 06 2013 14:27 Anta wrote:
On January 06 2013 14:25 rysecake wrote:
On January 06 2013 14:24 Anta wrote:
On January 06 2013 14:20 Dodgin wrote:
[quote]

I have to agree Revival is better, he just choked badly today.

lol Revival isn't anywhere near Stephano.


you're right. he isn't anywhere near. he's way too far above him

you will eat your words

as always

I like Stephano.

I dont like how people think Stephano is better than zergs such as Leenock, ViOlet, DRG and Life.

you know how much stephano trained in is whole carrier?

it equals maybe 3 month training of those you mentioned

just let him sit one month in korea and see


ah yes, the good ol' stephano is so talented he only has trained for 3 months bullshit

plus he nearly only played ladder games
nothing against the regime that koreans do with coaches, specific training of certain situations and so on


Ah. That's because he can only have one account. Right?

he has just one per server thats right


And how would you know this?
Im pretty sure he can afford more than one.
"What's the f*cking point of censoring a letter if everyone and their mother knows what it stands for.... F*cking morons"
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
January 06 2013 05:42 GMT
#2753
On January 06 2013 14:41 Tobblish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2013 14:39 bo1b wrote:
On January 06 2013 14:38 Scarecrow wrote:
On January 06 2013 14:35 opterown wrote:
i still think it's near impossible to play 50-60 meaningful games of sc2 per day

Define 'meaningful', he seems to be benefiting from it.

If it takes 20 minutes to play a game and find another one, then at 50 games thats 16hours and 40 minutes, at 60 games thats 20 hours. There simply isn't enough time in the day to play that many games.


Who said he was playing full games?
Naniwa and some others have just mentioned that he PLAYED SC2.
Nothing about laddering.

As I've said before he probably tested micro/macro trainers, builds against AI and partners etc.
NOT full games.

A meaningful game isn't against a trainer, and a meaningful game is a full game.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-06 05:43:42
January 06 2013 05:42 GMT
#2754
On January 06 2013 14:41 VoirDire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2013 14:38 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On January 06 2013 14:36 VoirDire wrote:
On January 06 2013 14:25 MosART wrote:
50-60 games..maybe 30 games on cheesing, kill you opponent in 10min or less. Flash did started out as a great cheeser.

An average game is about 18 game minutes (source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=240774) which is about 13 real minutes. 60 games * 13 minutes = 13 hours, which isn't unreasonable for a BW pro. And flash probably wins faster in practice.

That data is from July 2011

Is there any reason to believe that average game length has changed dramatically since then?

more macro games going to higher bases, etc, especially with ladder maps these days. also less BO counters since people are generally better

if you've kept up with sc2 for the past two years or so it should be fairly apparent. not dramatically, but probably 5~ minutes longer
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
Mask DeMasque
Profile Joined February 2012
United States415 Posts
January 06 2013 05:42 GMT
#2755
On January 06 2013 14:36 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2013 14:33 Mask DeMasque wrote:
1pt lineup appearance
2pt x 4wins
1pt for 3game win streak
1pt for team win
11pts for Flash... and 8 for KT if you had them. Serious return on investment.


They changed scoring for AK round I'm pretty sure no win streaks only win ending streaks and the Team win points dropped by a bit.

IIRC the totals would be

10pts for Flash and 6 Points for KT

Does this mean EGTL's loss would be -4?
decado90
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States480 Posts
January 06 2013 05:42 GMT
#2756
On January 06 2013 14:35 opterown wrote:
i still think it's near impossible to play 50-60 meaningful games of sc2 per day




This is a bad mindset that is very typical of foreign players.

Tell a chess grandmaster that 12 hours of chess in a day is too much.

If you want to be the best in the world at something, you must sacrifice EVERYTHING.


A good quote from Layne Norton, a professional bodybuilder, is:

"If someone kidnapped your family, and told you that you had a month to increase your squat by 100 lbs, would you squat 2 times a week?"

The "2 times a week" thing is the common mindset on the best way to increase strength, but everyone instinctively knows that doing something more will have more dividends. Excuses for being lazy I guess, but I'm glad Flash doesn't get in line with the other pins.
"Be formless like water"- Bruce Lee
andaylin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States10830 Posts
January 06 2013 05:43 GMT
#2757
Holy shit I didn't think Flash would actually all kill LOL, nice nice :D looking good for up and downs
"Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard." - Kevin Durant
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6660 Posts
January 06 2013 05:43 GMT
#2758
On January 06 2013 14:39 bo1b wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2013 14:38 Scarecrow wrote:
On January 06 2013 14:35 opterown wrote:
i still think it's near impossible to play 50-60 meaningful games of sc2 per day

Define 'meaningful', he seems to be benefiting from it.

If it takes 20 minutes to play a game and find another one, then at 50 games thats 16hours and 40 minutes, at 60 games thats 20 hours. There simply isn't enough time in the day to play that many games.

As posted earlier Avg game time is 18 min (Sc2 time) If you use that and calculate Just that playing time of the games it works out to about 13 hours. Which then leaves you with 11 hours to eat/sleep/shit/gym etc. Which is still far fetched granted. but not entirely impossible!
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
Gosi
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Sweden9072 Posts
January 06 2013 05:43 GMT
#2759
People seem to forget that he gets pretty much anything handed to him. He can just turn around, eat his food while searching for a game or waiting for the others in the house to finish and then just go at it again. I doubt he goes to the gym when he goes on his practice sprees that are 12+ hours a day.
[13:40] <Qbek> gosi i dreanmt about you
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
January 06 2013 05:43 GMT
#2760
On January 06 2013 14:41 VoirDire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2013 14:38 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On January 06 2013 14:36 VoirDire wrote:
On January 06 2013 14:25 MosART wrote:
50-60 games..maybe 30 games on cheesing, kill you opponent in 10min or less. Flash did started out as a great cheeser.

An average game is about 18 game minutes (source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=240774) which is about 13 real minutes. 60 games * 13 minutes = 13 hours, which isn't unreasonable for a BW pro. And flash probably wins faster in practice.

That data is from July 2011

Is there any reason to believe that average game length has changed dramatically since then?

yes because infestor brood lord was invented afterwards. This was before everyone played 3 base turtle
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