On January 06 2013 14:15 Black[CAT] wrote:
In the end, Jaedong is a better choice.
In the end, Jaedong is a better choice.
Really disappointed -.- Taeja is far better than JYP, what did they think he could accomplish? TvP even is Flash's strongest.
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On January 06 2013 14:15 Black[CAT] wrote: In the end, Jaedong is a better choice. Really disappointed -.- Taeja is far better than JYP, what did they think he could accomplish? TvP even is Flash's strongest. | ||
Jaaaaasper
United States10225 Posts
On January 06 2013 14:38 MooMooMugi wrote: FLASH ALL KILL, THE GODS HAVE SPOKEN There is only one god, but yes he has | ||
Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On January 06 2013 14:39 Kznn wrote: Show nested quote + On January 06 2013 14:33 rysecake wrote: On January 06 2013 14:33 Anta wrote: On January 06 2013 14:29 TommyP wrote: On January 06 2013 14:27 Anta wrote: On January 06 2013 14:25 rysecake wrote: On January 06 2013 14:24 Anta wrote: On January 06 2013 14:20 Dodgin wrote: On January 06 2013 14:20 Lillpapps wrote: On January 06 2013 14:19 TommyP wrote: [quote] Revival is better than Stephano anyway. are you serious? I have to agree Revival is better, he just choked badly today. lol Revival isn't anywhere near Stephano. you're right. he isn't anywhere near. he's way too far above him you will eat your words as always I like Stephano. I dont like how people think Stephano is better than zergs such as Leenock, ViOlet, DRG and Life. you know how much stephano trained in is whole carrier? it equals maybe 3 month training of those you mentioned just let him sit one month in korea and see ah yes, the good ol' stephano is so talented he only has trained for 3 months bullshit I really can`t stand this kind of shit TT those fanboys are so sad. what's worse, flash fanboys, stephano fanboys or EG-TL fanboys!? | ||
Anta
Germany434 Posts
On January 06 2013 14:38 jidolboy wrote: Show nested quote + On January 06 2013 14:37 Anta wrote: On January 06 2013 14:33 rysecake wrote: On January 06 2013 14:33 Anta wrote: On January 06 2013 14:29 TommyP wrote: On January 06 2013 14:27 Anta wrote: On January 06 2013 14:25 rysecake wrote: On January 06 2013 14:24 Anta wrote: On January 06 2013 14:20 Dodgin wrote: On January 06 2013 14:20 Lillpapps wrote: [quote] are you serious? I have to agree Revival is better, he just choked badly today. lol Revival isn't anywhere near Stephano. you're right. he isn't anywhere near. he's way too far above him you will eat your words as always I like Stephano. I dont like how people think Stephano is better than zergs such as Leenock, ViOlet, DRG and Life. you know how much stephano trained in is whole carrier? it equals maybe 3 month training of those you mentioned just let him sit one month in korea and see ah yes, the good ol' stephano is so talented he only has trained for 3 months bullshit plus he nearly only played ladder games nothing against the regime that koreans do with coaches, specific training of certain situations and so on Ah. That's because he can only have one account. Right? he has just one per server thats right | ||
Kznn
Brazil9072 Posts
On January 06 2013 14:38 opterown wrote: Show nested quote + On January 06 2013 14:36 VoirDire wrote: On January 06 2013 14:25 MosART wrote: 50-60 games..maybe 30 games on cheesing, kill you opponent in 10min or less. Flash did started out as a great cheeser. An average game is about 18 game minutes (source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=240774) which is about 13 real minutes. 60 games * 13 minutes = 13 hours, which isn't unreasonable for a BW pro. And flash probably wins faster in practice. even still you still need to search for games, eat, gym, bathroom, etc. and the KR ladder isn't always teeming with games, especially high GM from about morning to early afternoon. unless the games are 100% inhouse, it's really really hard to pull off. He probably plays 70% inhouses 30% ladders. 60 games a day is possible, but not likely. 45 to 50 is more accurate imo | ||
VoirDire
Sweden1923 Posts
On January 06 2013 14:38 Shellshock1122 wrote: Show nested quote + On January 06 2013 14:36 VoirDire wrote: On January 06 2013 14:25 MosART wrote: 50-60 games..maybe 30 games on cheesing, kill you opponent in 10min or less. Flash did started out as a great cheeser. An average game is about 18 game minutes (source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=240774) which is about 13 real minutes. 60 games * 13 minutes = 13 hours, which isn't unreasonable for a BW pro. And flash probably wins faster in practice. That data is from July 2011 Is there any reason to believe that average game length has changed dramatically since then? EDIT: Last GSL game length was 17:43 minutes (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012_Global_StarCraft_II_League_Season_5/Code_S_Statistics). | ||
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Australia54784 Posts
On January 06 2013 14:38 Scarecrow wrote: Show nested quote + On January 06 2013 14:35 opterown wrote: i still think it's near impossible to play 50-60 meaningful games of sc2 per day Define 'meaningful', he seems to be benefiting from it. meaningful = not a cheese or complete build order win (i.e. most games under ~12 minutes are like that) | ||
Tobblish
Sweden6404 Posts
On January 06 2013 14:39 bo1b wrote: Show nested quote + On January 06 2013 14:38 Scarecrow wrote: On January 06 2013 14:35 opterown wrote: i still think it's near impossible to play 50-60 meaningful games of sc2 per day Define 'meaningful', he seems to be benefiting from it. If it takes 20 minutes to play a game and find another one, then at 50 games thats 16hours and 40 minutes, at 60 games thats 20 hours. There simply isn't enough time in the day to play that many games. Who said he was playing full games? Naniwa and some others have just mentioned that he PLAYED SC2. Nothing about laddering. As I've said before he probably tested micro/macro trainers, builds against AI and partners etc. NOT full games. | ||
bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
On January 06 2013 14:41 Dodgin wrote: Show nested quote + On January 06 2013 14:39 Kznn wrote: On January 06 2013 14:33 rysecake wrote: On January 06 2013 14:33 Anta wrote: On January 06 2013 14:29 TommyP wrote: On January 06 2013 14:27 Anta wrote: On January 06 2013 14:25 rysecake wrote: On January 06 2013 14:24 Anta wrote: On January 06 2013 14:20 Dodgin wrote: On January 06 2013 14:20 Lillpapps wrote: [quote] are you serious? I have to agree Revival is better, he just choked badly today. lol Revival isn't anywhere near Stephano. you're right. he isn't anywhere near. he's way too far above him you will eat your words as always I like Stephano. I dont like how people think Stephano is better than zergs such as Leenock, ViOlet, DRG and Life. you know how much stephano trained in is whole carrier? it equals maybe 3 month training of those you mentioned just let him sit one month in korea and see ah yes, the good ol' stephano is so talented he only has trained for 3 months bullshit I really can`t stand this kind of shit TT those fanboys are so sad. what's worse, flash fanboys, stephano fanboys or EG-TL fanboys!? ![]() | ||
Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
On January 06 2013 14:39 bo1b wrote: Show nested quote + On January 06 2013 14:38 Scarecrow wrote: On January 06 2013 14:35 opterown wrote: i still think it's near impossible to play 50-60 meaningful games of sc2 per day Define 'meaningful', he seems to be benefiting from it. If it takes 20 minutes to play a game and find another one, then at 50 games thats 16hours and 40 minutes, at 60 games thats 20 hours. There simply isn't enough time in the day to play that many games. It'd be more like 15 on average. | ||
Kznn
Brazil9072 Posts
On January 06 2013 14:41 Dodgin wrote: Show nested quote + On January 06 2013 14:39 Kznn wrote: On January 06 2013 14:33 rysecake wrote: On January 06 2013 14:33 Anta wrote: On January 06 2013 14:29 TommyP wrote: On January 06 2013 14:27 Anta wrote: On January 06 2013 14:25 rysecake wrote: On January 06 2013 14:24 Anta wrote: On January 06 2013 14:20 Dodgin wrote: On January 06 2013 14:20 Lillpapps wrote: [quote] are you serious? I have to agree Revival is better, he just choked badly today. lol Revival isn't anywhere near Stephano. you're right. he isn't anywhere near. he's way too far above him you will eat your words as always I like Stephano. I dont like how people think Stephano is better than zergs such as Leenock, ViOlet, DRG and Life. you know how much stephano trained in is whole carrier? it equals maybe 3 month training of those you mentioned just let him sit one month in korea and see ah yes, the good ol' stephano is so talented he only has trained for 3 months bullshit I really can`t stand this kind of shit TT those fanboys are so sad. what's worse, flash fanboys, stephano fanboys or EG-TL fanboys!? Any kind, does not matter that much. Blind fanboyism is just sad overall. | ||
sour_eraser
Canada932 Posts
On January 06 2013 14:41 Anta wrote: Show nested quote + On January 06 2013 14:38 jidolboy wrote: On January 06 2013 14:37 Anta wrote: On January 06 2013 14:33 rysecake wrote: On January 06 2013 14:33 Anta wrote: On January 06 2013 14:29 TommyP wrote: On January 06 2013 14:27 Anta wrote: On January 06 2013 14:25 rysecake wrote: On January 06 2013 14:24 Anta wrote: On January 06 2013 14:20 Dodgin wrote: [quote] I have to agree Revival is better, he just choked badly today. lol Revival isn't anywhere near Stephano. you're right. he isn't anywhere near. he's way too far above him you will eat your words as always I like Stephano. I dont like how people think Stephano is better than zergs such as Leenock, ViOlet, DRG and Life. you know how much stephano trained in is whole carrier? it equals maybe 3 month training of those you mentioned just let him sit one month in korea and see ah yes, the good ol' stephano is so talented he only has trained for 3 months bullshit plus he nearly only played ladder games nothing against the regime that koreans do with coaches, specific training of certain situations and so on Ah. That's because he can only have one account. Right? he has just one per server thats right And how would you know this? Im pretty sure he can afford more than one. | ||
bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
On January 06 2013 14:41 Tobblish wrote: Show nested quote + On January 06 2013 14:39 bo1b wrote: On January 06 2013 14:38 Scarecrow wrote: On January 06 2013 14:35 opterown wrote: i still think it's near impossible to play 50-60 meaningful games of sc2 per day Define 'meaningful', he seems to be benefiting from it. If it takes 20 minutes to play a game and find another one, then at 50 games thats 16hours and 40 minutes, at 60 games thats 20 hours. There simply isn't enough time in the day to play that many games. Who said he was playing full games? Naniwa and some others have just mentioned that he PLAYED SC2. Nothing about laddering. As I've said before he probably tested micro/macro trainers, builds against AI and partners etc. NOT full games. A meaningful game isn't against a trainer, and a meaningful game is a full game. | ||
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Australia54784 Posts
On January 06 2013 14:41 VoirDire wrote: Show nested quote + On January 06 2013 14:38 Shellshock1122 wrote: On January 06 2013 14:36 VoirDire wrote: On January 06 2013 14:25 MosART wrote: 50-60 games..maybe 30 games on cheesing, kill you opponent in 10min or less. Flash did started out as a great cheeser. An average game is about 18 game minutes (source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=240774) which is about 13 real minutes. 60 games * 13 minutes = 13 hours, which isn't unreasonable for a BW pro. And flash probably wins faster in practice. That data is from July 2011 Is there any reason to believe that average game length has changed dramatically since then? more macro games going to higher bases, etc, especially with ladder maps these days. also less BO counters since people are generally better if you've kept up with sc2 for the past two years or so it should be fairly apparent. not dramatically, but probably 5~ minutes longer | ||
Mask DeMasque
United States415 Posts
On January 06 2013 14:36 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Show nested quote + On January 06 2013 14:33 Mask DeMasque wrote: 1pt lineup appearance 2pt x 4wins 1pt for 3game win streak 1pt for team win 11pts for Flash... and 8 for KT if you had them. Serious return on investment. They changed scoring for AK round I'm pretty sure no win streaks only win ending streaks and the Team win points dropped by a bit. IIRC the totals would be 10pts for Flash and 6 Points for KT Does this mean EGTL's loss would be -4? | ||
decado90
United States480 Posts
On January 06 2013 14:35 opterown wrote: i still think it's near impossible to play 50-60 meaningful games of sc2 per day This is a bad mindset that is very typical of foreign players. Tell a chess grandmaster that 12 hours of chess in a day is too much. If you want to be the best in the world at something, you must sacrifice EVERYTHING. A good quote from Layne Norton, a professional bodybuilder, is: "If someone kidnapped your family, and told you that you had a month to increase your squat by 100 lbs, would you squat 2 times a week?" The "2 times a week" thing is the common mindset on the best way to increase strength, but everyone instinctively knows that doing something more will have more dividends. Excuses for being lazy I guess, but I'm glad Flash doesn't get in line with the other pins. | ||
andaylin
United States10830 Posts
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Necro)Phagist(
Canada6644 Posts
On January 06 2013 14:39 bo1b wrote: Show nested quote + On January 06 2013 14:38 Scarecrow wrote: On January 06 2013 14:35 opterown wrote: i still think it's near impossible to play 50-60 meaningful games of sc2 per day Define 'meaningful', he seems to be benefiting from it. If it takes 20 minutes to play a game and find another one, then at 50 games thats 16hours and 40 minutes, at 60 games thats 20 hours. There simply isn't enough time in the day to play that many games. As posted earlier Avg game time is 18 min (Sc2 time) If you use that and calculate Just that playing time of the games it works out to about 13 hours. Which then leaves you with 11 hours to eat/sleep/shit/gym etc. Which is still far fetched granted. but not entirely impossible! | ||
Gosi
Sweden9072 Posts
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On January 06 2013 14:41 VoirDire wrote: Show nested quote + On January 06 2013 14:38 Shellshock1122 wrote: On January 06 2013 14:36 VoirDire wrote: On January 06 2013 14:25 MosART wrote: 50-60 games..maybe 30 games on cheesing, kill you opponent in 10min or less. Flash did started out as a great cheeser. An average game is about 18 game minutes (source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=240774) which is about 13 real minutes. 60 games * 13 minutes = 13 hours, which isn't unreasonable for a BW pro. And flash probably wins faster in practice. That data is from July 2011 Is there any reason to believe that average game length has changed dramatically since then? yes because infestor brood lord was invented afterwards. This was before everyone played 3 base turtle | ||
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