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instantdry
Profile Joined September 2007
Canada308 Posts
January 07 2013 19:41 GMT
#2981
ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?!?!
BlazeFury01
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1460 Posts
January 07 2013 19:51 GMT
#2982
On January 08 2013 03:33 Captain Mayhem wrote:
I'm just going to pretend the up&down stuff didn't happen, and proceed to go bananas with fanboyism <3

It's not that bad really. He only dropped one map and that was cloud kingdom. Statistically he's terrible on that map. Keep in mind he was the only one to beat Yoda in the entire group and he was playing from behind when facing Yoda and still won.
Noobity
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States871 Posts
January 07 2013 20:10 GMT
#2983
On January 08 2013 03:24 letian wrote:
Flash played as if he were a level above all EGTL players. All games looked as if none of them even had a chance. It has been a heavy blow to the whole team.


... What series were you watching? Looked a lot like Revival and Taeja both almost beat him, and both were excellent games. Yeah he kept his cool and won them, but they were far from not having a chance.
My name is Mike, and statistically, yours is not.
pookums
Profile Joined December 2010
151 Posts
January 07 2013 20:30 GMT
#2984
On January 07 2013 12:30 BlazeFury01 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2013 19:06 Jacmert wrote:
I just want to ask: why would you put out HerO on Antiga Shipyard against Flash?! Antiga is Terran favored, no? And I thought Ohana wasn't great for Zerg, either? Isn't that what we put Jaedong on in our first match against KT and JD got immortal all-in'd?

Do we ever learn, and can we finally start blaming our coach yet? I disagreed with his decision to put JYP out instead of HerO in one of our ace matches, too, last round. Who is he, again? Isn't he a former KeSPA coach or something?



Ugh, maybe because of this?

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=222&part=games&vs=T&league=standard&map=500&from_year=2011&from_month=1&from_day=14&to_year=2012&to_month=11&to_day=24&action=Update


Please look at the dates and the opponents for that. He beat Taeja two months ago which is pretty relevant. Then the next terran is Ryung over 6 months ago. Sjow has always been a joke. If you include Antiga 1.1 you also have a loss against Taeja on August 26, 2012 and a loss against Illusion on July 7, 2012. Going back much further than 6 months in a game like SC2 starts to get irrelevant due to metagame and balance changes. Using the TLPD information of Hero vs terrans on Antiga is not good support for saying it was smart to put Hero vs Flash on Antiga.
asdfOu
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2089 Posts
January 07 2013 22:11 GMT
#2985
ahh i wish flashed lost so they sent out wooki so i could get some fpl points lol
rip prime
Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
January 07 2013 22:33 GMT
#2986
On January 08 2013 07:11 asdfOu wrote:
ahh i wish flashed lost so they sent out wooki so i could get some fpl points lol


Truth to this.

Decided to not lean on Flash/Fantasy for my team and had Fantasy/Wookie/JYP as my bulk... A JYP reverse followed by a Wookie ace match would have been MUCH preferred to this all kill...

That's what I get for not stacking aces into my team
Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
Darkthorn
Profile Joined September 2010
Romania912 Posts
January 07 2013 22:34 GMT
#2987
On January 07 2013 17:23 sinigang wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2013 06:57 Shady Sands wrote:
On January 07 2013 06:54 Fischbacher wrote:
On January 07 2013 06:24 Shady Sands wrote:
On January 07 2013 06:23 Shinta) wrote:
Flash AK's EGTL, then loses his Code A group...

Why couldn't he have done the reverse? Lose to Taeja, and 5-0 his Code A group? T_T

Tbh he probably cares more about SPL.

Sigh...


Yup, because...

SPL = shown on Korean national TV, millions of viewers (mass market, excellent ad spots for Korean brands)
GSL = shown online, hundreds of thousands of viewers (niche/limited market, meh ad spots even for int'l brands)

True prestige for these Korean players is in SPL.


He cares the same about both...do you really think Flash didn't want to be code S for 2 seasons in a row now?
If you do you are a blind fanboy.
Do you really think he liked to lose to JD? Doubt it.
He cares about both...but people in his code A group happened to play better than him for the matches while EGTL players played worse and lost.
BlazeFury01
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1460 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-07 22:46:47
January 07 2013 22:45 GMT
#2988
On January 08 2013 05:30 pookums wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2013 12:30 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On January 06 2013 19:06 Jacmert wrote:
I just want to ask: why would you put out HerO on Antiga Shipyard against Flash?! Antiga is Terran favored, no? And I thought Ohana wasn't great for Zerg, either? Isn't that what we put Jaedong on in our first match against KT and JD got immortal all-in'd?

Do we ever learn, and can we finally start blaming our coach yet? I disagreed with his decision to put JYP out instead of HerO in one of our ace matches, too, last round. Who is he, again? Isn't he a former KeSPA coach or something?



Ugh, maybe because of this?

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=222&part=games&vs=T&league=standard&map=500&from_year=2011&from_month=1&from_day=14&to_year=2012&to_month=11&to_day=24&action=Update


Please look at the dates and the opponents for that. He beat Taeja two months ago which is pretty relevant. Then the next terran is Ryung over 6 months ago. Sjow has always been a joke. If you include Antiga 1.1 you also have a loss against Taeja on August 26, 2012 and a loss against Illusion on July 7, 2012. Going back much further than 6 months in a game like SC2 starts to get irrelevant due to metagame and balance changes. Using the TLPD information of Hero vs terrans on Antiga is not good support for saying it was smart to put Hero vs Flash on Antiga.


The point was to show that Hero has played the map waaaaay before Flash even started playing SC2 full time (which was in September) and did fairly well on the map vs Terran. Also, who are you to say that it isn't good support? How do you know that Hero didn't practice specifically on that map and had a prepared build for Flash? Did you watch his practice games on the map? Do you know his win/loss ratio during his practice games on that map while preparing for Flash which is why they decided to send him? The answer is a big fat NO. In other words, there was a reason he was sent and only the people working with him know it. Just because your favorite didn't win doesn't mean you have to blame it on the map he had more than a year playing with fairly good results vs Terran.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18552 Posts
January 07 2013 23:22 GMT
#2989
On January 08 2013 04:24 Osmeus wrote:
What does god stand for?

Gflash
Oflash
Dflash


CodeAFlash?
SiroKO
Profile Joined February 2012
France721 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-08 00:58:58
January 08 2013 00:58 GMT
#2990
On January 08 2013 08:22 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2013 04:24 Osmeus wrote:
What does god stand for?

Gflash
Oflash
Dflash


CodeAFlash?


Had Flash made that early bunker, he would have crushed MC and get through his group first.
This is a purely objective point, since Flash nearly bet him from an initial 30 supply deficit.
The difference between a 3-2 and 4-1 ratio was massive in terms of consequence, but from a statistical point of view, it's just meaningless, particulary considering that Starcraft 2 in it's current state is far more volatile than War3 or BW.
Our envy always last longer than the happiness of those we envy
decado90
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States480 Posts
January 08 2013 02:00 GMT
#2991
On January 08 2013 07:34 Darkthorn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2013 17:23 sinigang wrote:
On January 07 2013 06:57 Shady Sands wrote:
On January 07 2013 06:54 Fischbacher wrote:
On January 07 2013 06:24 Shady Sands wrote:
On January 07 2013 06:23 Shinta) wrote:
Flash AK's EGTL, then loses his Code A group...

Why couldn't he have done the reverse? Lose to Taeja, and 5-0 his Code A group? T_T

Tbh he probably cares more about SPL.

Sigh...


Yup, because...

SPL = shown on Korean national TV, millions of viewers (mass market, excellent ad spots for Korean brands)
GSL = shown online, hundreds of thousands of viewers (niche/limited market, meh ad spots even for int'l brands)

True prestige for these Korean players is in SPL.


He cares the same about both...do you really think Flash didn't want to be code S for 2 seasons in a row now?
If you do you are a blind fanboy.
Do you really think he liked to lose to JD? Doubt it.
He cares about both...but people in his code A group happened to play better than him for the matches while EGTL players played worse and lost.


Kespa players were forced into competing in the GSL. Remember when Gom and all the ESF players threw a fit and threatened to boycott the OSL if Kespa didn't immediately make their players participate in the Code A qualifiers?
"Be formless like water"- Bruce Lee
jackslater
Profile Joined November 2012
Russian Federation604 Posts
January 08 2013 11:20 GMT
#2992
Ahahaha Flash soo imba))
Purple Haze
Profile Joined December 2011
United Kingdom200 Posts
January 08 2013 14:07 GMT
#2993
On January 08 2013 11:00 decado90 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2013 07:34 Darkthorn wrote:
On January 07 2013 17:23 sinigang wrote:
On January 07 2013 06:57 Shady Sands wrote:
On January 07 2013 06:54 Fischbacher wrote:
On January 07 2013 06:24 Shady Sands wrote:
On January 07 2013 06:23 Shinta) wrote:
Flash AK's EGTL, then loses his Code A group...

Why couldn't he have done the reverse? Lose to Taeja, and 5-0 his Code A group? T_T

Tbh he probably cares more about SPL.

Sigh...


Yup, because...

SPL = shown on Korean national TV, millions of viewers (mass market, excellent ad spots for Korean brands)
GSL = shown online, hundreds of thousands of viewers (niche/limited market, meh ad spots even for int'l brands)

True prestige for these Korean players is in SPL.


He cares the same about both...do you really think Flash didn't want to be code S for 2 seasons in a row now?
If you do you are a blind fanboy.
Do you really think he liked to lose to JD? Doubt it.
He cares about both...but people in his code A group happened to play better than him for the matches while EGTL players played worse and lost.


Kespa players were forced into competing in the GSL. Remember when Gom and all the ESF players threw a fit and threatened to boycott the OSL if Kespa didn't immediately make their players participate in the Code A qualifiers?


That's a pretty interesting spin on things. Kespa players were allowed to compete in GSL. ESF 'threw a fit' if Kespa didn't immediately give their players the option of playing in the Code A qualifiers. I'm sure all the Kespa players are cursing their luck at being involved in a $125000 tournament in their home city.
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