On January 06 2013 14:35 opterown wrote: i still think it's near impossible to play 50-60 meaningful games of sc2 per day
Define 'meaningful', he seems to be benefiting from it.
If it takes 20 minutes to play a game and find another one, then at 50 games thats 16hours and 40 minutes, at 60 games thats 20 hours. There simply isn't enough time in the day to play that many games.
Who said he was playing full games? Naniwa and some others have just mentioned that he PLAYED SC2. Nothing about laddering.
As I've said before he probably tested micro/macro trainers, builds against AI and partners etc. NOT full games.
A meaningful game isn't against a trainer, and a meaningful game is a full game.
Who said something about a meaningful game? The discussion was if Flash actually played SC2 for said hours and if he did ladder.
Edit: also the most meaning full game/s for me have been against the AI, simply refining my building timings.
A meaningful game for you might be against a trainer, but these guys are trying to play against the absolute best.
On January 06 2013 14:47 figq wrote: Flash still overpriced even with such all-kill. He could be used more rarely in the rest of this round's matches, because when he's not the starter, his teammates are often good enough to win without his help. For the same money, you can buy 2-3 players from different teams, who could be used more often and bring a total sum of more FPL points.
The KT Rolster team for 6pts money was a great deal though. Definitely worth it.
that was my logic for having KT as my team instead of Flash as my AK specialist.
On January 06 2013 14:25 MosART wrote: 50-60 games..maybe 30 games on cheesing, kill you opponent in 10min or less. Flash did started out as a great cheeser.
An average game is about 18 game minutes (source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=240774) which is about 13 real minutes. 60 games * 13 minutes = 13 hours, which isn't unreasonable for a BW pro. And flash probably wins faster in practice.
even still you still need to search for games, eat, gym, bathroom, etc. and the KR ladder isn't always teeming with games, especially high GM from about morning to early afternoon. unless the games are 100% inhouse, it's really really hard to pull off.
16 hours practice with 1 hour eating, that's 15 hours. Constant playing for 15 hours guarantees more than 60 games. And he probably slept less than 8 hours the day before official matches anyway, that will give him probably close to 18 hours the day before. Even 4 hours sleep is not a surprise.
You think hes getting 4 hours of sleep before official matches? Did you ever study for exams, and notice that getting 0 sleep before never paid off?
Sleep. Get up again, shower. Coffein, nap in the car to the studio, coffein. Game on.
He practiced up to 20 hours and shit before BW finals.
On January 06 2013 14:35 opterown wrote: i still think it's near impossible to play 50-60 meaningful games of sc2 per day
This is a bad mindset that is very typical of foreign players.
Tell a chess grandmaster that 12 hours of chess in a day is too much.
of course, i am very up for high numbers of games and training, but there simply is no time. a meaningful game = full macro game, no BO counter or cheese wins, not micro training etc. at average game length of about 20 minutes and accounting for food, bathroom, gym, other commitments and stuff, 60 games is 20+ hours. which is doablleeeee but very difficult in a day.
game = game, what is this talk about "meaningful" games lol .. it's such a pervasive mindset w/ foreigners that only prolonged macro games matter, when to Koreans the only thing that matters is the win
but if someone sixpools or proxy gates you and you lose, you'd probably just shrug that off and not take all that much from that game compared to a nice, fun marine tank tvt or something.
On January 06 2013 14:35 opterown wrote: i still think it's near impossible to play 50-60 meaningful games of sc2 per day
This is a bad mindset that is very typical of foreign players.
Tell a chess grandmaster that 12 hours of chess in a day is too much.
of course, i am very up for high numbers of games and training, but there simply is no time. a meaningful game = full macro game, no BO counter or cheese wins, not micro training etc. at average game length of about 20 minutes and accounting for food, bathroom, gym, other commitments and stuff, 60 games is 20+ hours. which is doablleeeee but very difficult in a day.
game = game, what is this talk about "meaningful" games lol .. it's such a pervasive mindset w/ foreigners that only prolonged macro games matter, when to Koreans the only thing that matters is the win
Practicing proxy two rax all day will only get you so far.
On January 06 2013 14:25 MosART wrote: 50-60 games..maybe 30 games on cheesing, kill you opponent in 10min or less. Flash did started out as a great cheeser.
An average game is about 18 game minutes (source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=240774) which is about 13 real minutes. 60 games * 13 minutes = 13 hours, which isn't unreasonable for a BW pro. And flash probably wins faster in practice.
even still you still need to search for games, eat, gym, bathroom, etc. and the KR ladder isn't always teeming with games, especially high GM from about morning to early afternoon. unless the games are 100% inhouse, it's really really hard to pull off.
16 hours practice with 1 hour eating, that's 15 hours. Constant playing for 15 hours guarantees more than 60 games. And he probably slept less than 8 hours the day before official matches anyway, that will give him probably close to 18 hours the day before. Even 4 hours sleep is not a surprise.
You think hes getting 4 hours of sleep before official matches? Did you ever study for exams, and notice that getting 0 sleep before never paid off?
Sleep. Get up again, shower. Coffein, nap in the car to the studio, coffein. Game on.
He practiced up to 20 hours and shit before BW finals.
Are you sure he didn't take it slightly easier the night before? Because sleep depriving yourself if you want to perform well never works out.
On January 06 2013 14:25 MosART wrote: 50-60 games..maybe 30 games on cheesing, kill you opponent in 10min or less. Flash did started out as a great cheeser.
An average game is about 18 game minutes (source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=240774) which is about 13 real minutes. 60 games * 13 minutes = 13 hours, which isn't unreasonable for a BW pro. And flash probably wins faster in practice.
That data is from July 2011
Is there any reason to believe that average game length has changed dramatically since then?
yes because infestor brood lord was invented afterwards. This was before everyone played 3 base turtle
On January 06 2013 14:25 MosART wrote: 50-60 games..maybe 30 games on cheesing, kill you opponent in 10min or less. Flash did started out as a great cheeser.
An average game is about 18 game minutes (source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=240774) which is about 13 real minutes. 60 games * 13 minutes = 13 hours, which isn't unreasonable for a BW pro. And flash probably wins faster in practice.
even still you still need to search for games, eat, gym, bathroom, etc. and the KR ladder isn't always teeming with games, especially high GM from about morning to early afternoon. unless the games are 100% inhouse, it's really really hard to pull off.
16 hours practice with 1 hour eating, that's 15 hours. Constant playing for 15 hours guarantees more than 60 games. And he probably slept less than 8 hours the day before official matches anyway, that will give him probably close to 18 hours the day before. Even 4 hours sleep is not a surprise.
You think hes getting 4 hours of sleep before official matches? Did you ever study for exams, and notice that getting 0 sleep before never paid off?
People are very different. I usually slept much less before exams, I managed to do very well all the time. The sleep just doesn't matter for me if there are only one or two exams the next day. Sometimes, I don't even sleep before the morning exam. No sleep keeps me excited in the exam. No sleep only hurts me the day after.
On January 06 2013 14:35 opterown wrote: i still think it's near impossible to play 50-60 meaningful games of sc2 per day
This is a bad mindset that is very typical of foreign players.
Tell a chess grandmaster that 12 hours of chess in a day is too much.
of course, i am very up for high numbers of games and training, but there simply is no time. a meaningful game = full macro game, no BO counter or cheese wins, not micro training etc. at average game length of about 20 minutes and accounting for food, bathroom, gym, other commitments and stuff, 60 games is 20+ hours. which is doablleeeee but very difficult in a day.
game = game, what is this talk about "meaningful" games lol .. it's such a pervasive mindset w/ foreigners that only prolonged macro games matter, when to Koreans the only thing that matters is the win
Practicing proxy two rax all day will only get you so far.
On January 06 2013 14:35 opterown wrote: i still think it's near impossible to play 50-60 meaningful games of sc2 per day
This is a bad mindset that is very typical of foreign players.
Tell a chess grandmaster that 12 hours of chess in a day is too much.
of course, i am very up for high numbers of games and training, but there simply is no time. a meaningful game = full macro game, no BO counter or cheese wins, not micro training etc. at average game length of about 20 minutes and accounting for food, bathroom, gym, other commitments and stuff, 60 games is 20+ hours. which is doablleeeee but very difficult in a day.
game = game, what is this talk about "meaningful" games lol .. it's such a pervasive mindset w/ foreigners that only prolonged macro games matter, when to Koreans the only thing that matters is the win
Practicing proxy two rax all day will only get you so far.
Practicing builds like the proxy 2 rax makes the difference, just look at how much flash dominated JYP with the proxy raurders
On January 06 2013 14:35 opterown wrote: i still think it's near impossible to play 50-60 meaningful games of sc2 per day
This is a bad mindset that is very typical of foreign players.
Tell a chess grandmaster that 12 hours of chess in a day is too much.
of course, i am very up for high numbers of games and training, but there simply is no time. a meaningful game = full macro game, no BO counter or cheese wins, not micro training etc. at average game length of about 20 minutes and accounting for food, bathroom, gym, other commitments and stuff, 60 games is 20+ hours. which is doablleeeee but very difficult in a day.
This is just wrong. I don't understand why anyone would believe this.
KeSPA players very often break down their games when practicing. Some times even practicing with speed + money cheats to make them go faster.
On January 06 2013 14:35 opterown wrote: i still think it's near impossible to play 50-60 meaningful games of sc2 per day
This is a bad mindset that is very typical of foreign players.
Tell a chess grandmaster that 12 hours of chess in a day is too much.
of course, i am very up for high numbers of games and training, but there simply is no time. a meaningful game = full macro game, no BO counter or cheese wins, not micro training etc. at average game length of about 20 minutes and accounting for food, bathroom, gym, other commitments and stuff, 60 games is 20+ hours. which is doablleeeee but very difficult in a day.
game = game, what is this talk about "meaningful" games lol .. it's such a pervasive mindset w/ foreigners that only prolonged macro games matter, when to Koreans the only thing that matters is the win
Practicing proxy two rax all day will only get you so far.
and the will to win will make you change the way you play to make sure you win more.
On January 06 2013 14:35 opterown wrote: i still think it's near impossible to play 50-60 meaningful games of sc2 per day
Define 'meaningful', he seems to be benefiting from it.
If it takes 20 minutes to play a game and find another one, then at 50 games thats 16hours and 40 minutes, at 60 games thats 20 hours. There simply isn't enough time in the day to play that many games.
Who said he was playing full games? Naniwa and some others have just mentioned that he PLAYED SC2. Nothing about laddering.
As I've said before he probably tested micro/macro trainers, builds against AI and partners etc. NOT full games.
A meaningful game isn't against a trainer, and a meaningful game is a full game.
Who said something about a meaningful game? The discussion was if Flash actually played SC2 for said hours and if he did ladder.
Edit: also the most meaning full game/s for me have been against the AI, simply refining my building timings.
A meaningful game for you might be against a trainer, but these guys are trying to play against the absolute best.
And you think not having a 100% refined build order, timings, micro is good to prepare? Also this wasn't for playing SC2 against top tier players next week, this was during BW times so yeah I don't think he actually played 100% macro games.
On January 06 2013 14:35 opterown wrote: i still think it's near impossible to play 50-60 meaningful games of sc2 per day
This is a bad mindset that is very typical of foreign players.
Tell a chess grandmaster that 12 hours of chess in a day is too much.
of course, i am very up for high numbers of games and training, but there simply is no time. a meaningful game = full macro game, no BO counter or cheese wins, not micro training etc. at average game length of about 20 minutes and accounting for food, bathroom, gym, other commitments and stuff, 60 games is 20+ hours. which is doablleeeee but very difficult in a day.
This is just wrong. I don't understand why anyone would believe this.
KeSPA players very often break down their games when practicing. Some times even practicing with speed + money cheats to make them go faster.
i can see this happening once replay resume is released with HotS but i still don't think you can grind 60 games in a day. 40-45 yes, but not 60
EPT
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