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On December 22 2012 21:54 FakeDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2012 21:51 opterown wrote:On December 22 2012 21:50 Fusilero wrote:On December 22 2012 21:49 FakeDeath wrote:
So this confirmed Life as player of the year?
2 GSL titles and 1 MLG title. With how streaky players this year was I'd say it's a toss up between parting, life and leenock but seeing as life won this over them I'd say yeah life. still DRG imo So let's see. DRG: 1GSL,2MLG(Spring Champ+Arena),2nd OSL Life : 2GSL,1MLG(Summer Champ),2nd TSL Also,DRG is full time whereas Life is part-time. It's a tough call to make but i give the edge to Life.
if people want to play the age and full time/part time card, then it should be taken into account that DRG won everything when Zerg wasnt winning every single tournament and Life won everything when zerg was winning every single tournametn
plus Blizzard Cup =/= regular GSL imo. Its a great achievement obviously, but its not quite the same level.
So Life: 1 GSL, 1 Blizzard Cup, 1 MLG
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In the end, I think it was for the better that Parting and his all-in lost
It'd be like Puma being GSL champion on the back of his 1-1-1
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On December 23 2012 11:45 Ace Frehley wrote:
In the end, I think it was for the better that Parting and his all-in lost
It'd be like Puma being GSL champion on the back of his 1-1-1
Puma was only ridiculously good in vP because of his 1-1-1, he was mediocre in vT and his vZ was amazing because of his macro. Parting has shown to be pretty top class PvZ even without the immortal/sentry, and not to mention Parting's pvp is probably his best matchup atm and his vT is still pretty good
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On December 23 2012 11:50 X3GoldDot wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 11:45 Ace Frehley wrote:
In the end, I think it was for the better that Parting and his all-in lost
It'd be like Puma being GSL champion on the back of his 1-1-1 Puma was only ridiculously good in vP because of his 1-1-1, he was mediocre in vT and his vZ was amazing because of his macro. Parting has shown to be pretty top class PvZ even without the immortal/sentry, and not to mention Parting's pvp is probably his best matchup atm and his vT is still pretty good
the same puma that gets supply blocked every 5 mins?
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opterown
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i'm still not really convinced of parting's vsZ outside of the immortal-sentry allin tbh, or his vsT either. his vsP is really good though
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On December 23 2012 10:56 TommyP wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2012 21:54 FakeDeath wrote:On December 22 2012 21:51 opterown wrote:On December 22 2012 21:50 Fusilero wrote:On December 22 2012 21:49 FakeDeath wrote:
So this confirmed Life as player of the year?
2 GSL titles and 1 MLG title. With how streaky players this year was I'd say it's a toss up between parting, life and leenock but seeing as life won this over them I'd say yeah life. still DRG imo So let's see. DRG: 1GSL,2MLG(Spring Champ+Arena),2nd OSL Life : 2GSL,1MLG(Summer Champ),2nd TSL Also,DRG is full time whereas Life is part-time. It's a tough call to make but i give the edge to Life. if people want to play the age and full time/part time card, then it should be taken into account that DRG won everything when Zerg wasnt winning every single tournament and Life won everything when zerg was winning every single tournametn plus Blizzard Cup =/= regular GSL imo. Its a great achievement obviously, but its not quite the same level. So Life: 1 GSL, 1 Blizzard Cup, 1 MLG
I don't know what you are trying to say.
But Blizzard Cup has already been widely accepted as GSL Code S level.
This has been confirmed by GOM by themself.
Then why is MMA is 2X GSL Champion when one of them is Blizzard Cup.
I don't understand what you mean by " not quite the same level ".
When
All the players are all top class.
1.Rain,Seed,Parting,HerO.
2.Leenock,Life,Violet,DRG,Sniper
3.MVP
This tournament is easily Code S level.
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opterown
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MMA is a 2x GSL champion, but his second GSL holds less prestige than his first one.
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I don't know why people have problems with counting the GSL Blizzard Cup as a GSL win when they have absolutely no problems letting MVP count his World Championship win as a GSL win when half the field at the time were foreigners.
Blizzard Cup takes the champions of various tournaments and pits them in a tournament of champions.
I say that's pretty damn impressive to come out as top of something like that.
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On December 23 2012 12:06 opterown wrote:
MMA is a 2x GSL champion, but his second GSL holds less prestige than his first one.
Tell me why his second GSL(Blizzard Cup) hold less prestige than the first one.
MMA sweep his group during that time and crushed down back-then on form MVP and give us so far the most epic final ZvT IMO in SC2 history against DRG.
Only TvZ that could contest that was Jiakji vs Leenock and Nestea vs sC.
So no i don't think it hold less prestige.
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opterown
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the reason why GSL is prestigious is because
1/ it features the best competition available
2/ it has an element of preparation
1/ is undeniable for GSL and Blizzard Cup
2/ is arguable. blizzard cup is only a week long, and there is much less preparation
While a Blizzard Cup is a GSL, it's not quite prestigious as a full season GSL in my opinion. The same goes for GSL WC which Mvp won (because that had like, 8 foreigners and was over 11 days).
The quality of the finals doesn't really matter that much; we've seen similarly good series elsewhere in tournaments that weren't even finals haha. So while that helps, it doesn't change much about it imo.
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It's really amazing to think about how last year there was only one contender for player of the year, yet this year you could debate a short list of players.
I can't draw an edge between Life and DRG. Life really only did well in this later half of the year, so that he got so much so fast is impressive, but considering the entire year DRG (even "slumping") has been consistently at, or near, the top. But again, that was mostly in the first half of the year too.
I mean, really for this year periods of domination did feel pretty on par with the GSL champions. DRG dominated the year's opening. MVP looked amazing in the second quarter. Seed exploded into a champion with some good back up results. Life royal roaded himself into stardom and then a mix of young gun zerg players fought over the year's close (Sniper, Leenock, Life). Other players like Rain and Parting definitely sneak in there are having a period of great play too.
So I guess I'm feeling it might be Life after typing that out. At the very least, he's definitely the breakout player of the year. No other compares.
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In the end, our opinions are moot since it's Gom that determines what qualifies as a GSL win and the true indicator are the golden wings that appear on the player's jerseys.
I want one. ;_;
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opterown
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PartinG is the breakout player of the year ;p noone knew about the guy at all last year save for his BAS run in Code A November haha. Life was known at least, iirc he participated in ESV weeklies and the like whereas PartinG hadn't? I think PartinG is a better candidate for breakout; he's certainly had more of an impact on the metagame than Life has.
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On December 23 2012 11:50 X3GoldDot wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 11:45 Ace Frehley wrote:
In the end, I think it was for the better that Parting and his all-in lost
It'd be like Puma being GSL champion on the back of his 1-1-1 Puma was only ridiculously good in vP because of his 1-1-1, he was mediocre in vT and his vZ was amazing because of his macro. Parting has shown to be pretty top class PvZ even without the immortal/sentry, and not to mention Parting's pvp is probably his best matchup atm and his vT is still pretty good
Actually, PuMa was actually really good vs P in macro games as well with his bio control. I think people just remember the 1-1-1-1. I am. Pretty sure that 1.5 year from now, people will forget that PartinG was actually good in macro PvZ and only remember his wonwonwon.
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opterown
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On December 23 2012 12:24 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 11:50 X3GoldDot wrote:On December 23 2012 11:45 Ace Frehley wrote:
In the end, I think it was for the better that Parting and his all-in lost
It'd be like Puma being GSL champion on the back of his 1-1-1 Puma was only ridiculously good in vP because of his 1-1-1, he was mediocre in vT and his vZ was amazing because of his macro. Parting has shown to be pretty top class PvZ even without the immortal/sentry, and not to mention Parting's pvp is probably his best matchup atm and his vT is still pretty good Actually, PuMa was actually really good vs P in macro games as well with his bio control. I think people just remember the 1-1-1-1. I am. Pretty sure that 1.5 year from now, people will forget that PartinG was actually good in macro PvZ and only remember his wonwonwon.
I'm not convinced PartinG is quite good in macro PvZ, although I don't think any toss is really good in macro PvZ anyway haha
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On December 23 2012 11:50 X3GoldDot wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 11:45 Ace Frehley wrote:
In the end, I think it was for the better that Parting and his all-in lost
It'd be like Puma being GSL champion on the back of his 1-1-1 Puma was only ridiculously good in vP because of his 1-1-1, he was mediocre in vT and his vZ was amazing because of his macro. Parting has shown to be pretty top class PvZ even without the immortal/sentry, and not to mention Parting's pvp is probably his best matchup atm and his vT is still pretty good
Without the immortal all-in, Parting's PvZ winrate would drop, I'm sure
Look at his match vs Violet and vs Sniper. I rate Sniper quite higher than Violet in ZvP
I'm not saying he'd be a scrub, though. But the all-in is boosting his winrate like 1-1-1 did for Puma in a shady way
On December 23 2012 12:24 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 11:50 X3GoldDot wrote:On December 23 2012 11:45 Ace Frehley wrote:
In the end, I think it was for the better that Parting and his all-in lost
It'd be like Puma being GSL champion on the back of his 1-1-1 Puma was only ridiculously good in vP because of his 1-1-1, he was mediocre in vT and his vZ was amazing because of his macro. Parting has shown to be pretty top class PvZ even without the immortal/sentry, and not to mention Parting's pvp is probably his best matchup atm and his vT is still pretty good Actually, PuMa was actually really good vs P in macro games as well with his bio control. I think people just remember the 1-1-1-1. I am. Pretty sure that 1.5 year from now, people will forget that PartinG was actually good in macro PvZ and only remember his wonwonwon.
Puma mindgamed a lot with his 1-1-1
He threatened with it and then, every once in a while, he played greedy while the toss was being defensive/safe and just rolled in a macro game.
It was shady
Also,
Since Parting is so outspoken, with his funny jokes and stuff, people are more tolerant with his immortal-sentry and even cheer for it. (Broodlord-infestor hate comes into play as well)
Puma's 111 was hated because he was more serious in his interviews (and terran was doing well). There was no lobby for his abusive play
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On December 23 2012 12:22 opterown wrote:
PartinG is the breakout player of the year ;p noone knew about the guy at all last year save for his BAS run in Code A November haha. Life was known at least, iirc he participated in ESV weeklies and the like whereas PartinG hadn't? I think PartinG is a better candidate for breakout; he's certainly had more of an impact on the metagame than Life has.
Perhaps in PvT. The immortal/sentry all-in existed and was considered powerful before it was called the WonWonWon.
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On December 23 2012 12:37 Ace Frehley wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 11:50 X3GoldDot wrote:On December 23 2012 11:45 Ace Frehley wrote:
In the end, I think it was for the better that Parting and his all-in lost
It'd be like Puma being GSL champion on the back of his 1-1-1 Puma was only ridiculously good in vP because of his 1-1-1, he was mediocre in vT and his vZ was amazing because of his macro. Parting has shown to be pretty top class PvZ even without the immortal/sentry, and not to mention Parting's pvp is probably his best matchup atm and his vT is still pretty good Without the immortal all-in, Parting's PvZ winrate would drop, I'm sure Look at his match vs Violet and vs Sniper. I rate Sniper quite higher than Violet in ZvP I'm not saying he'd be a scrub, though. But the all-in is boosting his winrate like 1-1-1 did for Puma in a shady way Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 12:24 vthree wrote:On December 23 2012 11:50 X3GoldDot wrote:On December 23 2012 11:45 Ace Frehley wrote:
In the end, I think it was for the better that Parting and his all-in lost
It'd be like Puma being GSL champion on the back of his 1-1-1 Puma was only ridiculously good in vP because of his 1-1-1, he was mediocre in vT and his vZ was amazing because of his macro. Parting has shown to be pretty top class PvZ even without the immortal/sentry, and not to mention Parting's pvp is probably his best matchup atm and his vT is still pretty good Actually, PuMa was actually really good vs P in macro games as well with his bio control. I think people just remember the 1-1-1-1. I am. Pretty sure that 1.5 year from now, people will forget that PartinG was actually good in macro PvZ and only remember his wonwonwon. Puma mindgamed a lot with his 1-1-1 He threatened with it and then, every once in a while, he played greedy while the toss was being defensive/safe and just rolled in a macro game. It was shady Also, Since Parting is so outspoken, with his funny jokes and stuff, people are more tolerant with his immortal-sentry and even cheer for it. (Broodlord-infestor hate comes into play as well) Puma's 111 was hated because he was more serious in his interviews (and terran was doing well). There was no lobby for his abusive play
Lol, wtf? It is shady??? Are you serious? Isn't the whole point of strategy games to try to fool you opponents? Is tech switching from BLs to ultras shady?
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On December 23 2012 14:43 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 12:37 Ace Frehley wrote:On December 23 2012 11:50 X3GoldDot wrote:On December 23 2012 11:45 Ace Frehley wrote:
In the end, I think it was for the better that Parting and his all-in lost
It'd be like Puma being GSL champion on the back of his 1-1-1 Puma was only ridiculously good in vP because of his 1-1-1, he was mediocre in vT and his vZ was amazing because of his macro. Parting has shown to be pretty top class PvZ even without the immortal/sentry, and not to mention Parting's pvp is probably his best matchup atm and his vT is still pretty good Without the immortal all-in, Parting's PvZ winrate would drop, I'm sure Look at his match vs Violet and vs Sniper. I rate Sniper quite higher than Violet in ZvP I'm not saying he'd be a scrub, though. But the all-in is boosting his winrate like 1-1-1 did for Puma in a shady way On December 23 2012 12:24 vthree wrote:On December 23 2012 11:50 X3GoldDot wrote:On December 23 2012 11:45 Ace Frehley wrote:
In the end, I think it was for the better that Parting and his all-in lost
It'd be like Puma being GSL champion on the back of his 1-1-1 Puma was only ridiculously good in vP because of his 1-1-1, he was mediocre in vT and his vZ was amazing because of his macro. Parting has shown to be pretty top class PvZ even without the immortal/sentry, and not to mention Parting's pvp is probably his best matchup atm and his vT is still pretty good Actually, PuMa was actually really good vs P in macro games as well with his bio control. I think people just remember the 1-1-1-1. I am. Pretty sure that 1.5 year from now, people will forget that PartinG was actually good in macro PvZ and only remember his wonwonwon. Puma mindgamed a lot with his 1-1-1 He threatened with it and then, every once in a while, he played greedy while the toss was being defensive/safe and just rolled in a macro game. It was shady Also, Since Parting is so outspoken, with his funny jokes and stuff, people are more tolerant with his immortal-sentry and even cheer for it. (Broodlord-infestor hate comes into play as well) Puma's 111 was hated because he was more serious in his interviews (and terran was doing well). There was no lobby for his abusive play Lol, wtf? It is shady??? Are you serious? Isn't the whole point of strategy games to try to fool you opponents? Is tech switching from BLs to ultras shady?
Sorry
my first language is not english
guess the word shady was wrong
Guess I should use the word 'broken' or something
1-1-1 was so strong puma was in control of the game from the start
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Damnit, Parting did so well to get to the finals, I was really hoping he'd overcome all odds and win. But instead, we were just taunted with false hope.
He was no Fruitdealer, he was HopeTorture.
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