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Ladies and gentlemen, it is page 143 and any patchzerg, balance related commentary and the usual bashing etc from this point on will be met with harsh moderation.
Prof
Profile Joined November 2012
Canada60 Posts
November 30 2012 23:26 GMT
#2561
Xigua 22 slow lings???? And just think this guy is already in the money and he won't have to win a single game. Stupid tournament bracket setup.
Maloreon
Profile Joined May 2012
United States911 Posts
November 30 2012 23:26 GMT
#2562
On December 01 2012 08:23 MasterKang wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 08:22 Pandain wrote:
On December 01 2012 08:19 Snowbear wrote:
Can someone tell me why alive lost this one? I don't see his mistake


His mid game timing got absolutely crushed and from there it was an uphill battle which he almost did but couldn't quite micro like the God you need to to make TvZ comebacks.

But people probably forgot about that push and instead complain about balance.


and why do terran lose 90% of games if their mid-game push doesn't do insane damage? hmm...


Well you can also consider their push as an investment which needs to pay off to be worth it. vs. another style which has been popping up more lately which is investing into tech and mass OC's instead (turtle mech). I like the latter - though I'm not sure most people want to watch it.
Leenock, Gumiho, Life, Flash, Parting, Scarlett
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 30 2012 23:26 GMT
#2563
On December 01 2012 08:23 Snowbear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 08:22 Pandain wrote:
On December 01 2012 08:19 Snowbear wrote:
Can someone tell me why alive lost this one? I don't see his mistake


His mid game timing got absolutely crushed and from there it was an uphill battle which he almost did but couldn't quite micro like the God you need to to make TvZ comebacks.

But people probably forgot about that push and instead complain about balance.


Yeah true, but then I wonder why hyun crushed alive's army in the midgame. I saw alive being sieged, and good splits. Alive HAD to attack, since broodlords would come, right?


Hyun was just on top of it, he had like the perfect army (roach ling baneling infestor) to the type of build Alive was doing.

Alive should've played passively after keeping economically even with Hyun and played Metropolis split map style the way it is.

Blade, I feel your pain.
Severian
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia2052 Posts
November 30 2012 23:27 GMT
#2564
On December 01 2012 08:24 Lunareste wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 08:22 HotGlueGun wrote:
Sniper is going to potentially beat Taeja, HuK, Hero, and then Ryung in the GSL all in one day. Most hated Korean by a long shot.


Don't forget that he's the ladykiller. He made SlayerS Eve cry.

.....I fucking hate that guy.

Yeah, you've got to have a history of BM to make that work for you.
SicPro
Profile Joined March 2011
United States202 Posts
November 30 2012 23:27 GMT
#2565
On December 01 2012 08:11 Fionn wrote:
cool, sniper gets to kill another fan favorite. fun for him.


Yeah, maybe, but when are you and the other TL writers going to admit that Huk (and NaNiwa most of the time) are at least worthy of being in the top30 power rank? They do this quite consistently where either one or the other makes a strong run ahead of all other foreigners. And yet they continue to be ranked below people such as MMA, Ryung, Bogus, Sting, Vortix... etc....


When is consistency going to come into play? You been biased against these two toss since day one. Even when they were top of their game.
_(aka Probasaur)_ "He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man." - Hunter S. Thompson
FlyingTurtle
Profile Joined February 2012
United States248 Posts
November 30 2012 23:27 GMT
#2566
On December 01 2012 08:23 MasterKang wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 08:22 Pandain wrote:
On December 01 2012 08:19 Snowbear wrote:
Can someone tell me why alive lost this one? I don't see his mistake


His mid game timing got absolutely crushed and from there it was an uphill battle which he almost did but couldn't quite micro like the God you need to to make TvZ comebacks.

But people probably forgot about that push and instead complain about balance.


and why do terran lose 90% of games if their mid-game push doesn't do insane damage? hmm...


Maybe because they invest majorly in the push and don't get up a nice infrastructure plus expansions? Maybe because pushes in general tend to hurt the player doing them if no damage is done? -__-
"This creature is the completion of a cycle. Its role in the cosmic order was preordained when the stars were young. Behold the culmination of your history." -Samir Duran, on the Hybrid
JacobShock
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Denmark2485 Posts
November 30 2012 23:27 GMT
#2567
On December 01 2012 08:26 ref4 wrote:
is it just me or does Kibblez comes off like a condescending asshole?

fuck that guy.


How so? I remember him somewhat ignoring co-casters back in the day (not doing it now) and being kinda condecending towards the players. Pointing out flaws in an excessive manner.
"Right on" - Morrow
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
November 30 2012 23:28 GMT
#2568
On December 01 2012 08:26 Prof wrote:
Xigua 22 slow lings???? And just think this guy is already in the money and he won't have to win a single game. Stupid tournament bracket setup.

Round 4 was wayyy too far in the bracket for the seeded players.
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
andaylin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States10830 Posts
November 30 2012 23:28 GMT
#2569
On December 01 2012 08:26 Prof wrote:
Xigua 22 slow lings???? And just think this guy is already in the money and he won't have to win a single game. Stupid tournament bracket setup.

You haven't witnessed a slow ling all in before?
"Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard." - Kevin Durant
Snowbear
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)1925 Posts
November 30 2012 23:29 GMT
#2570
On December 01 2012 08:27 FlyingTurtle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 08:23 MasterKang wrote:
On December 01 2012 08:22 Pandain wrote:
On December 01 2012 08:19 Snowbear wrote:
Can someone tell me why alive lost this one? I don't see his mistake


His mid game timing got absolutely crushed and from there it was an uphill battle which he almost did but couldn't quite micro like the God you need to to make TvZ comebacks.

But people probably forgot about that push and instead complain about balance.


and why do terran lose 90% of games if their mid-game push doesn't do insane damage? hmm...


Maybe because they invest majorly in the push and don't get up a nice infrastructure plus expansions? Maybe because pushes in general tend to hurt the player doing them if no damage is done? -__-


But the question is, why didn't the push do damage? I saw good tank spread, siege, and splits. I don't see what alive could've done better with that push (not saying Z is imba guys, just wondering what alive did wrong!!!).
zerious
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3803 Posts
November 30 2012 23:29 GMT
#2571
On December 01 2012 08:27 SicPro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 08:11 Fionn wrote:
cool, sniper gets to kill another fan favorite. fun for him.


Yeah, maybe, but when are you and the other TL writers going to admit that Huk (and NaNiwa most of the time) are at least worthy of being in the top30 power rank? They do this quite consistently where either one or the other makes a strong run ahead of all other foreigners. And yet they continue to be ranked below people such as MMA, Ryung, Bogus, Sting, Vortix... etc....


When is consistency going to come into play? You been biased against these two toss since day one. Even when they were top of their game.


lol huk? when was the last time u watched sc2?
Doko
Profile Joined May 2010
Argentina1737 Posts
November 30 2012 23:29 GMT
#2572
On December 01 2012 08:24 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 08:20 Godwrath wrote:
On December 01 2012 08:19 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
On December 01 2012 08:17 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On December 01 2012 08:17 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
lawl HSM


Z makes 20 infestors, is OP

T makes 3 ravens, HSM obviously sucks


errrrr


well fungal always connects \:D/


And how the fuck do you build 20 Ravens ?


And why the fuck would you build 20 ravens anyway ?


Lets see.

- Free damage from energy
- Extra micro for the zerg that has to splits vs 20 seeker missiles
- Enough turrets to make it impossible for ultras to ever break a position with units behind it.
- Harrasment that leads to the opponent splitting his attention, which leads to more mistakes
- Point defense for when your vikings are spread out to avoid fungals and corruptors start poking at the exposed flanks.

The real question is... if you could, why the fuck wouldn't you build 20 ravens?
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
November 30 2012 23:29 GMT
#2573
On December 01 2012 08:28 Boucot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 08:26 Prof wrote:
Xigua 22 slow lings???? And just think this guy is already in the money and he won't have to win a single game. Stupid tournament bracket setup.

Round 4 was wayyy too far in the bracket for the seeded players.


just realised he's getting paid, now that's some fucked up shit.
Terran & Potato Salad.
TheBB
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Switzerland5133 Posts
November 30 2012 23:29 GMT
#2574
On December 01 2012 08:28 Boucot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 08:26 Prof wrote:
Xigua 22 slow lings???? And just think this guy is already in the money and he won't have to win a single game. Stupid tournament bracket setup.

Round 4 was wayyy too far in the bracket for the seeded players.

I agree.
http://aligulac.com || Barcraft Switzerland! || Zerg best race. || Stats-poster extraordinaire.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 30 2012 23:30 GMT
#2575
On December 01 2012 08:29 Snowbear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 08:27 FlyingTurtle wrote:
On December 01 2012 08:23 MasterKang wrote:
On December 01 2012 08:22 Pandain wrote:
On December 01 2012 08:19 Snowbear wrote:
Can someone tell me why alive lost this one? I don't see his mistake


His mid game timing got absolutely crushed and from there it was an uphill battle which he almost did but couldn't quite micro like the God you need to to make TvZ comebacks.

But people probably forgot about that push and instead complain about balance.


and why do terran lose 90% of games if their mid-game push doesn't do insane damage? hmm...


Maybe because they invest majorly in the push and don't get up a nice infrastructure plus expansions? Maybe because pushes in general tend to hurt the player doing them if no damage is done? -__-


But the question is, why didn't the push do damage? I saw good tank spread, siege, and splits. I don't see what alive could've done better with that push (not saying Z is imba guys, just wondering what alive did wrong!!!).


Did you read my response?
And I think your trying to make a point just being polite about it.
Scrubwave
Profile Joined July 2010
Poland1786 Posts
November 30 2012 23:30 GMT
#2576
--- Nuked ---
TheBB
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Switzerland5133 Posts
November 30 2012 23:30 GMT
#2577
On December 01 2012 08:29 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 08:28 Boucot wrote:
On December 01 2012 08:26 Prof wrote:
Xigua 22 slow lings???? And just think this guy is already in the money and he won't have to win a single game. Stupid tournament bracket setup.

Round 4 was wayyy too far in the bracket for the seeded players.

just realised he's getting paid, now that's some fucked up shit.

To be fair he had to win a tournament for it. It's not like he just signed up somewhere.
http://aligulac.com || Barcraft Switzerland! || Zerg best race. || Stats-poster extraordinaire.
Voreau
Profile Joined June 2011
United States192 Posts
November 30 2012 23:30 GMT
#2578
On December 01 2012 08:29 Doko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 08:24 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
On December 01 2012 08:20 Godwrath wrote:
On December 01 2012 08:19 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
On December 01 2012 08:17 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On December 01 2012 08:17 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
lawl HSM


Z makes 20 infestors, is OP

T makes 3 ravens, HSM obviously sucks


errrrr


well fungal always connects \:D/


And how the fuck do you build 20 Ravens ?


And why the fuck would you build 20 ravens anyway ?


Lets see.

- Free damage from energy
- Extra micro for the zerg that has to splits vs 20 seeker missiles
- Enough turrets to make it impossible for ultras to ever break a position with units behind it.
- Harrasment that leads to the opponent splitting his attention, which leads to more mistakes
- Point defense for when your vikings are spread out to avoid fungals and corruptors start poking at the exposed flanks.

The real question is... if you could, why the fuck wouldn't you build 20 ravens?


Cause when they remax on ultras, you're pretty boned.
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
November 30 2012 23:30 GMT
#2579
On December 01 2012 08:27 SicPro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 08:11 Fionn wrote:
cool, sniper gets to kill another fan favorite. fun for him.


Yeah, maybe, but when are you and the other TL writers going to admit that Huk (and NaNiwa most of the time) are at least worthy of being in the top30 power rank? They do this quite consistently where either one or the other makes a strong run ahead of all other foreigners. And yet they continue to be ranked below people such as MMA, Ryung, Bogus, Sting, Vortix... etc....


When is consistency going to come into play? You been biased against these two toss since day one. Even when they were top of their game.


I had Naniwa ranked over MMA.

MMA wasn't even in my top 30.
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 30 2012 23:30 GMT
#2580
On December 01 2012 08:27 SicPro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 08:11 Fionn wrote:
cool, sniper gets to kill another fan favorite. fun for him.


Yeah, maybe, but when are you and the other TL writers going to admit that Huk (and NaNiwa most of the time) are at least worthy of being in the top30 power rank? They do this quite consistently where either one or the other makes a strong run ahead of all other foreigners. And yet they continue to be ranked below people such as MMA, Ryung, Bogus, Sting, Vortix... etc....


When is consistency going to come into play? You been biased against these two toss since day one. Even when they were top of their game.


The Fionn Curse works both ways. Players he likes lose, and players he doesn't like also lose.

Basically Fionn is Sniper.
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