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TheBB
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Switzerland5133 Posts
November 22 2012 19:51 GMT
#2061
Dimaga and Targa just waiting each other out.
http://aligulac.com || Barcraft Switzerland! || Zerg best race. || Stats-poster extraordinaire.
Zygno
Profile Joined August 2012
Austria276 Posts
November 22 2012 19:51 GMT
#2062
wow how did monchi beat nerchio 2-0? impressive
thepuppyassassin
Profile Joined April 2011
900 Posts
November 22 2012 19:51 GMT
#2063
Thorzain style was solved.

Keep turtling and overcome a resource disadvantage by forcing protoss into unfavorable engagements.

Hero's solution? never engage and keep causing economic damage to an economically starved player.

The dark templars were also awesome, really disallowed thorzain from capitalizing on mule play.
ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
November 22 2012 19:51 GMT
#2064
On November 23 2012 04:49 Sbrubbles wrote:
Yup. I guess the trick is to play EVEN MORE passive against Thorzain's late-game TvP.

Did you miss the gazillion warp prism, Zealot+DT runbyes, blink stalker harrass, storm drops etc?
You cannot get more active than that...
Get off my lawn, young punks
FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
November 22 2012 19:51 GMT
#2065
On November 23 2012 04:50 Hider wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 04:48 nonsequitur wrote:
This hard turtle style is really quite ridiculous. I don't play P or T but it's obvious to me Hero is doing so much more work than Thorzain. Thorzain has not crossed his half of the map for 30minutes+.


Wow. Wtf is that? Do you know the skill it requires to constantly be prepared to emp/snipe. Split up your army to defend vs harass. Then kite zealots. Scan.

THorzain did this really really brilliantly. Hero also played extremely well. But I just wish people played more attention to the skills it requires to defend harass.


Like what Rotterdam said, make a small bunker at each expansion to prevent these drops like how you do against zerg.

Thorzain was getting starved out by HerO all game long.
Play your best
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
November 22 2012 19:52 GMT
#2066
Nerchio played that out perfectly.
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10146 Posts
November 22 2012 19:52 GMT
#2067
On November 23 2012 04:50 Hider wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 04:48 nonsequitur wrote:
This hard turtle style is really quite ridiculous. I don't play P or T but it's obvious to me Hero is doing so much more work than Thorzain. Thorzain has not crossed his half of the map for 30minutes+.


Wow. Wtf is that? Do you know the skill it requires to constantly be prepared to emp/snipe. Split up your army to defend vs harass. Then kite zealots. Scan.

THorzain did this really really brilliantly. Hero also played extremely well. But I just wish people played more attention to the skills it requires to defend harass.


I don't think noone on their right mind would say that thorzain doesn't have amazing army control. But he is just trying to do something terrans can't do against protoss on that kind of map, and it is turtle till perfect army composition, because the protoss can go crazy out expanding you and just winning because why the fuck no.

And yes, it's boring to watch.
Ludwigvan
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany2371 Posts
November 22 2012 19:52 GMT
#2068
Thorzain chose this map, because he can get an easy 5th base. XD
kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
November 22 2012 19:52 GMT
#2069
On November 23 2012 04:40 dcemuser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 04:38 kwizach wrote:
On November 23 2012 04:36 grs wrote:
On November 23 2012 04:34 Clafou wrote:
Thanks James :D

Yes, that really needed to be said. All those clown in costumes casting/presenting recently...and I really don't mean the people, but the sad idea to put them in suits.

What did James say?


He came up behind Incontrol and said something like "what are you guys wearing? where are your suits?"
Incontrol said 'This isn't MLG. We're in Sweden.'
James said basically 'Oh crap, this isn't MLG? I spent all my money on this suit.'

Thanks :p
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -- Stephen Colbert
TheBB
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Switzerland5133 Posts
November 22 2012 19:52 GMT
#2070
219 supply for Dimaga. XD
http://aligulac.com || Barcraft Switzerland! || Zerg best race. || Stats-poster extraordinaire.
Hunterai
Profile Joined October 2010
Thailand842 Posts
November 22 2012 19:52 GMT
#2071
haha
Potato Toss and Spoon Terran? :-D
What's for Zerg then?
Day9notdead
Profile Joined June 2012
Russian Federation501 Posts
November 22 2012 19:53 GMT
#2072
ForGG-Ret 2-0
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9868 Posts
November 22 2012 19:53 GMT
#2073
at 1-1 you should probably change your build
RIP Meatloaf <3
Avicularia
Profile Joined February 2012
540 Posts
November 22 2012 19:53 GMT
#2074
That's why you don't open hatch first every single game.
I've been watching Nerchio's stream and he always cheese players that open same greedy build over and over again. TLO should know it too
TheBB
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Switzerland5133 Posts
November 22 2012 19:53 GMT
#2075
BL/inf vs BL/inf
http://aligulac.com || Barcraft Switzerland! || Zerg best race. || Stats-poster extraordinaire.
kju
Profile Joined September 2010
6143 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-22 19:55:00
November 22 2012 19:54 GMT
#2076
On November 23 2012 04:51 BeyondCtrL wrote:
HerO outplayed Thorzain by a huge amount there and even then the game seemed extremely close at moments. Thorzain made some mistakes that did not happen in his game vs. Nani. Most likely he will do exact same build again.

no the difference was that HerO forced Thorzain into those mistakes via warp prisms all around the map
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9439 Posts
November 22 2012 19:54 GMT
#2077
On November 23 2012 04:51 FakeDeath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 04:50 Hider wrote:
On November 23 2012 04:48 nonsequitur wrote:
This hard turtle style is really quite ridiculous. I don't play P or T but it's obvious to me Hero is doing so much more work than Thorzain. Thorzain has not crossed his half of the map for 30minutes+.


Wow. Wtf is that? Do you know the skill it requires to constantly be prepared to emp/snipe. Split up your army to defend vs harass. Then kite zealots. Scan.

THorzain did this really really brilliantly. Hero also played extremely well. But I just wish people played more attention to the skills it requires to defend harass.


Like what Rotterdam said, make a small bunker at each expansion to prevent these drops like how you do against zerg.

Thorzain was getting starved out by HerO all game long.


Problem is that bunkers are pretty mediocore against 3/3/3 zealots.
Also did you see how he efficient he was with his attacks?
He couldn't do that much more I think, and he did pretty well actually. Harass just kept him occupied and there really was no no way he could not be occupied against that harass.

He was behind going into midgame and Hero did the right think by taking a shitton of expansion and building HT's thus maintaing his lead unlike Naniwa.
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
November 22 2012 19:54 GMT
#2078
as much as i love watching long games like that, i really don't think it's a good idea to play like Thorzain does against protoss. you just can't be as cost-efficient as the protoss in the lategame if they know what they're doing.

(naniwa made the wrong units for 20 minutes and barely lost).
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10146 Posts
November 22 2012 19:55 GMT
#2079
Spoon terran on turtle ohana map and Dimaga vs Targa mass infestor/broodlords. What the hell, please other streams, save me!!!
Jtom
Profile Joined January 2011
Ireland1044 Posts
November 22 2012 19:55 GMT
#2080
ThorZaIN relies on winning the fight with his ultimate army of imbalance but neglects his economy to the extreme. He wins every fight, but if he ever makes a single mistake he will lose too much of his army and the warp-in's kill him. Of course the multi-pronged aggression all over the map helped chip away at ThorZaIN's imba army, ultimately though it's the lack of economy for ThorZaIN that kills him not Hero's warp prisms.
"Daddy, how did the Protossaurs go extinct?" "A giant EMP hit the earth" - Fionn
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