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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 08:30:45
November 14 2012 08:29 GMT
#41
On November 14 2012 17:26 StarVe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 17:25 opterown wrote:
On November 14 2012 17:23 RaiKageRyu wrote:
lol, it will be top 4 protoss. Trust me

nah, there are only three tier1 protoss here, and they can get upset pretty easily. i think curious or roro stand a great chance at top 4

On November 14 2012 16:00 RPR_Tempest wrote:
Acer.Nerchio 2-0 CreatorPrime

PvZ is Creator's weakest match-up, contrasting Nerchio's best. Now, best match-up vs worst match-up doesn't mean anything if there's a significant difference of skill between the players, but there isn't. MC and YongHwa, two players with what I view as a little bit better PvZ that Creator, really got schooled by Nerchio.

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/1771_Nerchio/games#tblt-7665-1-default-0-creator

heh :D

Doesn't say too much though, remember how this looked before certain LAN tournaments happened.

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=1771&part=games&league=standard&vs=P#tblt-7596-1-default-0-mc

MC had a rather noticable drop in results, while creator has only improved since a few months ago

nerchio can upset creator, and i agree pvz is creator's worst... but creator's worst is a fair amount better than almost anyone else's. creator has top3 PvT and PvP, having a top5 PvZ is no shame haha. i'd still favour creator.

On November 14 2012 17:26 StarVe wrote:
I'd still favour Creator, but one online tournament where Nerchio played quite badly (I think I remember seeing those games) and a BO1 on Tal'darim isn't too meaningful.

he did reach the finals, couldn't have been that bad haha
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
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MapleLeafSirup
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany950 Posts
November 14 2012 08:32 GMT
#42
On November 14 2012 15:11 asdfOu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 15:00 Rui.S wrote:
Do people really think stephano or scarlett is going to win over rain, parting or creator -.-

agreed.....


yea stephano never wins against korean protosses, how unimaginable .. wait ?!
Insoleet
Profile Joined May 2012
France1806 Posts
November 14 2012 08:51 GMT
#43
will a rebroadcast take place during eu day ?
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 08:52:00
November 14 2012 08:51 GMT
#44
On November 14 2012 17:29 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 17:26 StarVe wrote:
On November 14 2012 17:25 opterown wrote:
On November 14 2012 17:23 RaiKageRyu wrote:
lol, it will be top 4 protoss. Trust me

nah, there are only three tier1 protoss here, and they can get upset pretty easily. i think curious or roro stand a great chance at top 4

On November 14 2012 16:00 RPR_Tempest wrote:
Acer.Nerchio 2-0 CreatorPrime

PvZ is Creator's weakest match-up, contrasting Nerchio's best. Now, best match-up vs worst match-up doesn't mean anything if there's a significant difference of skill between the players, but there isn't. MC and YongHwa, two players with what I view as a little bit better PvZ that Creator, really got schooled by Nerchio.

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/1771_Nerchio/games#tblt-7665-1-default-0-creator

heh :D

Doesn't say too much though, remember how this looked before certain LAN tournaments happened.

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=1771&part=games&league=standard&vs=P#tblt-7596-1-default-0-mc

MC had a rather noticable drop in results, while creator has only improved since a few months ago

nerchio can upset creator, and i agree pvz is creator's worst... but creator's worst is a fair amount better than almost anyone else's. creator has top3 PvT and PvP, having a top5 PvZ is no shame haha. i'd still favour creator.

Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 17:26 StarVe wrote:
I'd still favour Creator, but one online tournament where Nerchio played quite badly (I think I remember seeing those games) and a BO1 on Tal'darim isn't too meaningful.

he did reach the finals, couldn't have been that bad haha


Hrmpf, so I rewatched the Vods just for you, he died to a maxed out blink stalker immortal push, to a blink stalker allin and then completely fell apart in the lategame in the last game, Creator complained about lag and Nerchio whined about stalkers or immortals at the end of every game, Creator played somewhat decent games but I've seen Nerchio play way better. Hopefully it'll look a bit closer on LAN, these games were quite onesided and not fun to watch.
Shinta)
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1716 Posts
November 14 2012 08:53 GMT
#45
Hope to see
Group A: don't care
Group B: VortiX/Comm
Group C: SEn/Grubby
Group D: BabyKnight/Rain
Group E: Stephano/RorO
Group F: MajOr/herO
Group G: Lucifron/don't care
Group H: Creator/Nerchio

MajOr NA's last hope!!!!!!
Suteki Da Ne 素敵だね Isn't it Wonderful
ThePlayer33
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia2378 Posts
November 14 2012 09:04 GMT
#46
ONE

HUNDRED

THOUSAND



HYPEHYPEHYPEHYPEHYPEHYPEHYPEHYPEHYPEHYPE
| Idra | YuGiOh | Leenock | Coca |
Yello
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany7411 Posts
November 14 2012 09:14 GMT
#47
Hey Opterown, I think you should add Adebisi's twitter as well since he is observing the games (on the main stream I guess)

https://twitter.com/AdebisiSC

Just because you added all the casters twitter as well ^.^
Just ahead of time, know your addiction's not a crime. It's just a smaller part of who you want to become in the end.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
November 14 2012 09:16 GMT
#48
Would love to see IdrA gets out of his group, anything can happen if he does! Very much looking forward to Hero vs IdrA though, last time they played it was a fun series.
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
ThePlayer33
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia2378 Posts
November 14 2012 09:17 GMT
#49
On November 14 2012 18:16 Pandemona wrote:
Would love to see IdrA gets out of his group, anything can happen if he does! Very much looking forward to Hero vs IdrA though, last time they played it was a fun series.


was it dreamhack or something last year?
| Idra | YuGiOh | Leenock | Coca |
PraiseB
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia135 Posts
November 14 2012 09:21 GMT
#50
Must make sure I catch Fenix Vs Illusion, what I'm sure will be the one and only TvT for the whole event.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
November 14 2012 09:27 GMT
#51
On November 14 2012 18:14 Yello wrote:
Hey Opterown, I think you should add Adebisi's twitter as well since he is observing the games (on the main stream I guess)

https://twitter.com/AdebisiSC

Just because you added all the casters twitter as well ^.^

excellent idea!
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
Lasbike
Profile Joined January 2011
France2888 Posts
November 14 2012 09:50 GMT
#52
So, SO HYPED
TeeTS
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany2762 Posts
November 14 2012 09:50 GMT
#53
On November 14 2012 16:00 RPR_Tempest wrote:
Acer.Nerchio 2-0 CreatorPrime

PvZ is Creator's weakest match-up, contrasting Nerchio's best. Now, best match-up vs worst match-up doesn't mean anything if there's a significant difference of skill between the players, but there isn't. MC and YongHwa, two players with what I view as a little bit better PvZ that Creator, really got schooled by Nerchio.


lol! You should follow the GSL!

It may be his weakest matchup, but it still takes the very very best zergs in the world to beat him here. And no, Nerchio and Scarlett are not among them
m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 10:00:40
November 14 2012 09:58 GMT
#54
So, the 1st seed from Europe meets the 3rd seed from Korea in a first group match. How the hell does that make any sense?
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
November 14 2012 10:03 GMT
#55
On November 14 2012 18:58 m0ck wrote:
So, the 1st seed from Europe meets the 3rd seed from Korea in a first group match. How the hell does that make any sense?

random drawings
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 10:52:50
November 14 2012 10:12 GMT
#56
On November 14 2012 19:03 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 18:58 m0ck wrote:
So, the 1st seed from Europe meets the 3rd seed from Korea in a first group match. How the hell does that make any sense?

random drawings

Seems illogical after three months of qualifications, but maybe Blizzard is afraid of playing favorites.

Rannasha
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Netherlands2398 Posts
November 14 2012 10:18 GMT
#57
I hope there will be fast VODs or a rebroadcast for this, because the times are pretty terrible for EU viewers. Starting at 03:00 (CET) and ending at 13:00 on both days. Without completely wrecking your sleep schedule you can only catch the second half of each day.
Such flammable little insects!
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 10:28:54
November 14 2012 10:27 GMT
#58
On November 14 2012 19:12 m0ck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 19:03 opterown wrote:
On November 14 2012 18:58 m0ck wrote:
So, the 1st seed from Europe meets the 3rd seed from Korea in a first group match. How the hell does that make any sense?

random drawings

Seems illogical after three months of qualifications, but maybe Blizzard is afraid of playing favorites.

It's one of the worst systems for group drawings I've seen, they basically only care about not having too many players from a region in a group, removing any advantage for players who did well at the regionals is ridiculous.

Fitting sentence I heard on some show this week: There's good seeding and there's bad seeding but the worst thing is no seeding at all.
m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
November 14 2012 10:41 GMT
#59
On November 14 2012 19:27 StarVe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 19:12 m0ck wrote:
On November 14 2012 19:03 opterown wrote:
On November 14 2012 18:58 m0ck wrote:
So, the 1st seed from Europe meets the 3rd seed from Korea in a first group match. How the hell does that make any sense?

random drawings

Seems illogical after three months of qualifications, but maybe Blizzard is afraid of playing favorites.

It's one of the worst systems for group drawings I've seen, they basically only care about not having too many players from a region in a group, removing any advantage for players who did well at the regionals is ridiculous.

Fitting sentence I heard on some show this week: There's good seeding and there's bad seeding but the worst thing is no seeding at all.

Watching esport is watching an endless array of terrible tournament-formats.
RPR_Tempest
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Australia7798 Posts
November 14 2012 10:46 GMT
#60
On November 14 2012 18:50 TeeTS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 16:00 RPR_Tempest wrote:
Acer.Nerchio 2-0 CreatorPrime

PvZ is Creator's weakest match-up, contrasting Nerchio's best. Now, best match-up vs worst match-up doesn't mean anything if there's a significant difference of skill between the players, but there isn't. MC and YongHwa, two players with what I view as a little bit better PvZ that Creator, really got schooled by Nerchio.


lol! You should follow the GSL!

It may be his weakest matchup, but it still takes the very very best zergs in the world to beat him here. And no, Nerchio and Scarlett are not among them

I do follow GSL. It's the only tournament I make it a specific point to follow.

Creator recently beat Curious in GSL, which is cool. I legit think Nerchio has some of the best ZvP in the world. It's probably about equal with Stephano's at this point.
Soundwave, Zerg player from Canberra, Australia. @SoundwaveSC
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