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hitpoint
United States1511 Posts
On November 13 2012 04:18 forsooth wrote: No deal, Zergs cried nonstop for well over a year. My God was it justified. Zerg was grossly under-powered and getting smashed in tournaments for a long time. It wasn't uncommon to see 6 or 7 of the top 8 in a tournament as terran. This is not even remotely the same thing. The other races only started to whine when win rates became even. | ||
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Kamwah
United Kingdom724 Posts
On November 12 2012 17:00 Kamwah wrote: Ryung and Creator please! Proudly the only person who voted Ryung & Creator before the matches were played =D | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
DRG just sucked in this group and ro8 sadly appears to have a Curious barrier on it. Thought he'd make it this time D; | ||
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c0sm0naut
United States1229 Posts
grats to ryung, lol. surprising me bro. GL beating the rest of the Z in here (really.. all of my luck is sent to you) | ||
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Rhedsa
Costa Rica594 Posts
Sad to see Curious and especially DRG having a bad day, but they will return. | ||
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
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Juliette
United States6003 Posts
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
On November 13 2012 05:04 hitpoint wrote: My God was it justified. Zerg was grossly under-powered and getting smashed in tournaments for a long time. It wasn't uncommon to see 6 or 7 of the top 8 in a tournament as terran. This is not even remotely the same thing. The other races only started to whine when win rates became even. I doubt people are saying the game isn't better balanced now, most people just feel that the zergs shouldnt relie as heavily on infestors. Atleast to me, it feels kind of silly that a unit which is supposed to be a "support" unit ala HT / Sentry / medivac suddenly composes the entirety of the army. Yup, I would feel the same way about a pure raven army if that - somehow - became a problem, with my BW tinted glasses, it feels like someone only making vessels or only making defilers or the toss equivalent, only making HT's, not as commonly seen (I dont feel the same way about colossus, dont ask me why). But as a whole, sc2 people seem to dislike the "deathball" concept | ||
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HaXXspetten
Sweden15718 Posts
On November 13 2012 05:42 Juliette wrote: zergs dead YES so aggressive what happened to the loving qt I used to talk to | ||
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Kettchup
United States1911 Posts
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mrtomjones
Canada4020 Posts
On November 13 2012 05:34 c0sm0naut wrote: ive been saying DRG is trash for maybe a season or two now and i hve never thought he as good. continues to not impress me which is sad but not as sad as curious's play. did these zergs just party for the last week instead of preparing for their matches? they getting supply block constantly, making bad decision, etc it doesn't really make sense.. can we just take the bad zergs who clog up code s and see their spots to Dark, some esf player, and hyun/shine? grats to ryung, lol. surprising me bro. GL beating the rest of the Z in here (really.. all of my luck is sent to you) uhh are you trying to troll or something? DRG is not trash. Unless you think every other Zerg not named Leenock or Life is trash too, considering they are the only ones who could be considered better right now. On topic... I am shocked that both Zergs are out but super happy :D Protoss in R08 and Ryung is always entertaining. | ||
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neptunusfisk
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c0sm0naut
United States1229 Posts
On November 13 2012 05:57 mrtomjones wrote: uhh are you trying to troll or something? DRG is not trash. Unless you think every other Zerg not named Leenock or Life is trash too, considering they are the only ones who could be considered better right now. On topic... I am shocked that both Zergs are out but super happy :D Protoss in R08 and Ryung is always entertaining. i guess it's trolling to think that a player has been overrated and isn't up to par with other zergs.. i mentioned dark, esf zergs, hyun, shine, etc. i think they are better players. i think i counted like 5 or 6 supply blocks on the game vs ryung on whirlwind. he drone scouts on CK, sees its a proxy 2 rax and lose anyways. sorry but that's not code s play imo. spends money on 10 lings and a spine so is completely safe then pulls everything again to attack a few marines and a bunker that isn't even close to in range of his hatchery. lol. its okay to think DRG is washed up man, it's not trolling. maybe trash isn't the right word considering he's a trillion times better than the avg SC2 players, but he is playing code b quality games.. edit: forces a cancel on drgs 3rd with 6 marines because drg threw all those lings away doing nothing and then doens't OL scout to see his follow up? come on.. lol.. | ||
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tuho12345
4482 Posts
On November 13 2012 05:04 hitpoint wrote: My God was it justified. Zerg was grossly under-powered and getting smashed in tournaments for a long time. It wasn't uncommon to see 6 or 7 of the top 8 in a tournament as terran. This is not even remotely the same thing. The other races only started to whine when win rates became even. They whine about infestors and Zerg's playstyle, composition. Not because Zerg win a GSL and MLG or anything. It just the way they play it and FG, ITs make other races feel useless. | ||
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c0sm0naut
United States1229 Posts
On November 13 2012 05:04 hitpoint wrote: My God was it justified. Zerg was grossly under-powered and getting smashed in tournaments for a long time. It wasn't uncommon to see 6 or 7 of the top 8 in a tournament as terran. This is not even remotely the same thing. The other races only started to whine when win rates became even. no, imho the other races started to "whine" when the queen and OL buff were arbitrarily made despite 50% winrates in the matchup (zerg at 48. something % win). after that, TvZ and PvZ winrates went to an historic low (lower than the zvt rates ever were, even in the pre-blue flame, pre bunker, pre 11/11 nerfs) and the midgame phase of XvZ pretty much disappeared. SG/banshee play became a lot weaker and creepspread became an aggressive thing instead of a "connect all of my bases" thing at this point i think removing these changes (especially both) would be a bad move, but if you really think the other races just started crying because zergs suddenly started winning their equal share of games you're just spreading misinformation. their winrates in april/may were 50% or within 3-4 points either way. | ||
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Lovedoll
Japan540 Posts
He's the Code S champion GSL deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So he'll never reach the Ro8 because he can take it. Because he's not the champion; he's a silent guardian, a watchful protector. The Code S Reader. | ||
Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37095 Posts
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JJH777
United States4418 Posts
On November 13 2012 06:36 c0sm0naut wrote: no, imho the other races started to "whine" when the queen and OL buff were arbitrarily made despite 50% winrates in the matchup (zerg at 48. something % win). after that, TvZ and PvZ winrates went to an historic low (lower than the zvt rates ever were, even in the pre-blue flame, pre bunker, pre 11/11 nerfs) and the midgame phase of XvZ pretty much disappeared. SG/banshee play became a lot weaker and creepspread became an aggressive thing instead of a "connect all of my bases" thing at this point i think removing these changes (especially both) would be a bad move, but if you really think the other races just started crying because zergs suddenly started winning their equal share of games you're just spreading misinformation. their winrates in april/may were 50% or within 3-4 points either way. The winrates only stayed high for like a month before Terran figured it out again. Protoss win-rates did not go to a historic low. They were at their lowest in november or so of last year. We have been around 50-50 since the patch as far as tournament representation and win-rates. This GSL is the first big tournament where zerg has been so overrepresented and as I pointed out above a lot of those advancements were based on single games. | ||
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Kyyuna
United States1222 Posts
On November 13 2012 05:06 Kamwah wrote: Proudly the only person who voted Ryung & Creator before the matches were played =D You werent the only yo. I had a hunch DRG will not meet my expectation, Curious is kinda half half with me. Gotta believe in the Terran and Protoss yo | ||
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c0sm0naut
United States1229 Posts
On November 13 2012 06:47 JJH777 wrote:This GSL is the first big tournament where zerg has been so overrepresented this isn't true unless you consider the gsl to be the only big tournament, hahaha. you can continue to argue that this whole infestor/zerg QQ thing is new and unusual, but in reality it's been what people have been saying for a while now and not acknowledging this or zerg's heavy presence in almost every recent tournament is pretty cheeky.. you claim that terrans "bounced right back" (which is true, in winrates). however, if it's only because we've given up the entire midgame of TvZ and immediately race to 3 CC and 2 ebay, it says something is ill with the metagame, not with balance | ||
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