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Canada16217 Posts
On November 06 2012 19:28 Dark.Carnival wrote: As much as Artosis wants to praise sniper.. it was mostly Seed having bad forcefields ;x If he went faster infestors and actually traded some supply to keep Seeds army smaller he would have won
He baited out the forcefields.
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On November 06 2012 19:28 EatCrow wrote: Im no zerg. Can't you get hydras up to defend this? Seems like it could be good vs ff. You need infestors after a while against this, to fungal sentries.
Sniper just kept on roach tech even after playing really really well at the start of the push.
You either crush it enough by killing sentries early, or you get infestors, hydras just get forcefielded and die off creep, not very good against this.
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Needs more nydus imo
TLO would not approve of Sniper's build
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Could've gotten drops when he was maxed and Seed had 130 supply. Would've crushed it. But under pressure its hard to think like that.
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That was the protoss equivalent of that game a while back on ohana where the zerg just repeatedly traded infestor energy for units. Yeah sniper was baiting FFs but he was losing units every time he did it. Needed faster infestors so he could force a good fight.
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On November 06 2012 19:24 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 19:23 Maloreon wrote:On November 06 2012 19:20 silent_owl wrote:On November 06 2012 19:19 phyre112 wrote:On November 06 2012 19:14 Destructicon wrote:On November 06 2012 19:12 Laryleprakon wrote: I hope we see the new Finale build 30 voidrays and somehow beat 40 infestor strat we saw today vs Hyun. Probably wrong thread, and 30 void rays will never in a million years beat 40 infestors. Anyway, go go Seed, definitely my favorite Protoss (yes even more so then Rain). He's saying he hopes to see seed use void rays. And since you apparently didn't watch fight club, Hyun made 19 broods, 38 infestors and 5 corruptors in game 4. He lost to like 20 voids, 4 collossi and a dozen archons, plus stalker warp-ins, Finale lost none of the voids, and only two of the collossi, then went on to roll over Hyun. That is interesting actually. I haven't seen any pros use Voids in a WHILE. I mean, not in the way they used to during the colossus void deathball era. Funny I've been told so many time the last few weeks by Toss that you absolutely 100% can't beat late game Hive tech armies... I've always been pretty sure a proper VR based lategame deathball can (as well as some Terran armies). We're talking 30 minutes of turtle fest godmode macro and defense though and not many want to try it I guess. I can only hope.  fungal + corruptors + IT will defeat voids pretty easily
You say this, but there's specific evidence of a game where it didn't happen.
The voids went unscouted until there were 20 of them, and then between them and the collossi, every time an IT egg went down it was instantly killed. 40 infestors worth of energy. Sure, fungal alone probably could have done it given enough time, but that's different, and it doesn't apply in the situation that Hyun was in.
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Group F
MarineKing: 72.523% Seed: 60.792% sHy: 33.799% Sniper: 32.886%
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So... why the hell didn't Sniper get infestors?
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the last game grinned at us with a HUGE trollface
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Hilarious game, really shows were SC2 is at the moment. =D
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On November 06 2012 19:29 NovemberstOrm wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 19:28 Dark.Carnival wrote: As much as Artosis wants to praise sniper.. it was mostly Seed having bad forcefields ;x If he went faster infestors and actually traded some supply to keep Seeds army smaller he would have won He baited out the forcefields. Sniper played incredibly well at the start, there is no denying that, but he just didn't transition to infestors, you need infestors against protoss once their army supply gets around 140ish with that army composition.
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On November 06 2012 19:27 teamamerica wrote: LOL and people wonder why sc2 is boring. Max out on 2base with 20 sentries and win. Weeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
lol why do people complain about this game that was battles all the time and no turtling and people still complain
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On November 06 2012 19:30 Mikelius wrote: So... why the hell didn't Sniper get infestors? Because he wants to prove himself.
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Well, to be honest, Sniper could have won that when Seed only had 130 army supply. He needed to just surround Seed's army and go for it, even if he took heavy casualties he needed to go for it and just constantly re-max until Seed ran out of gas. The moment Seed got up to 18 sentries, 20 stalkers and kept them alive for so long, it went downhill really fast.
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i don't think infestors would have helped there. he wouldn't have time to build up energy, and he would have died if he tried to make to many. you can't get spines up either.
i think faster burrow and burrow movement is a better move.
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On November 06 2012 19:30 Mikelius wrote: So... why the hell didn't Sniper get infestors?
I would assume because he felt that if he spent money on glands and then 4-5 infestors he might not have enough to survive against him just attacking him earlier.
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United States33085 Posts
pylon in main for seed :D
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On November 06 2012 19:30 phyre112 wrote: Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 19:24 opterown wrote:On November 06 2012 19:23 Maloreon wrote:On November 06 2012 19:20 silent_owl wrote:On November 06 2012 19:19 phyre112 wrote:On November 06 2012 19:14 Destructicon wrote:On November 06 2012 19:12 Laryleprakon wrote: I hope we see the new Finale build 30 voidrays and somehow beat 40 infestor strat we saw today vs Hyun. Probably wrong thread, and 30 void rays will never in a million years beat 40 infestors. Anyway, go go Seed, definitely my favorite Protoss (yes even more so then Rain). He's saying he hopes to see seed use void rays. And since you apparently didn't watch fight club, Hyun made 19 broods, 38 infestors and 5 corruptors in game 4. He lost to like 20 voids, 4 collossi and a dozen archons, plus stalker warp-ins, Finale lost none of the voids, and only two of the collossi, then went on to roll over Hyun. That is interesting actually. I haven't seen any pros use Voids in a WHILE. I mean, not in the way they used to during the colossus void deathball era. Funny I've been told so many time the last few weeks by Toss that you absolutely 100% can't beat late game Hive tech armies... I've always been pretty sure a proper VR based lategame deathball can (as well as some Terran armies). We're talking 30 minutes of turtle fest godmode macro and defense though and not many want to try it I guess. I can only hope.  fungal + corruptors + IT will defeat voids pretty easily You say this, but there's specific evidence of a game where it didn't happen. The voids went unscouted until there were 20 of them, and then between them and the collossi, every time an IT egg went down it was instantly killed. 40 infestors worth of energy. Sure, fungal alone probably could have done it given enough time, but that's different, and it doesn't apply in the situation that Hyun was in. honestly haha if you allow a protoss to get 20 voids, you deserve to lose lol
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On November 06 2012 19:29 Fragile51 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 19:28 EatCrow wrote: Im no zerg. Can't you get hydras up to defend this? Seems like it could be good vs ff. Hydras? Good vs FF? Good vs anything not zerg? Nah..
They shoot farther than roaches. They are fast on creep (defensive position there's creep errywhere) and you can even kite on creep a little.
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