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Entirety
1423 Posts
Mvp says he is extremely saddened when fans take his wrist issues as an excuse and blame him for lying or making it up when he continues to win. His problem is real, it is serious, it's not something that a simple treatment is going to fix. Yes, it affects his gameplay. No, he does not blame his losses on his condition. He has even stated that he doesn't think his skill level is high... top 60 or something. | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
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tuho12345
4482 Posts
On October 11 2012 07:18 Gorilla23 wrote: I agree that Mvp is underrated. People say Rain is the best even after Mvp beat him. People were saying Squirtle was the best, and Mvp beat him. ppl says the same shit about Taeja and MKP and MVP still kicks their asses any time all day lol | ||
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Aerisky
United States12128 Posts
 Oh well, well-played by MVP and Life for sure... | ||
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FataLe
New Zealand4481 Posts
On October 11 2012 10:05 Entirety wrote: Honestly, I wish people would read Mvp's interviews more. Mvp says he is extremely saddened when fans take his wrist issues as an excuse and blame him for lying or making it up when he continues to win. His problem is real, it is serious, it's not something that a simple treatment is going to fix. Yes, it affects his gameplay. No, he does not blame his losses on his condition. He has even stated that he doesn't think his skill level is high... top 60 or something. Finally. I got sick and tired of hearing people making up excuses for MVP's losses. Yes his illness plays a role in the MVP he is today, but you're insulting MVP and his opponents every single time you put it down to his illness. TL is so fustrating sometimes. | ||
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SeAK
Canada69 Posts
Even going into the finals now hes going to be the underdog, that's probably why people get so stoked when he wins. | ||
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revoN
Japan804 Posts
Consider the length of GSL as compared to say OSL. There wasn't anyone in SC2 who was dominant over a long period of time. Also he got his 4 wins before the Age of Elephants came about. Even if MVP wins this one I wouldn't be surprised if it'll be the last time he ever does (granted KeSPA players' continuous participation in the GSL and their skills getting better and better as time goes by). Anyway it's still too early to call anyone the best player that ever touched the game. People have been saying that bout Nestea and MC as well... Don't get me wrong. I still think MVP is one of the best players at the moment, though his play is too inconsistent to call him the absolute best. | ||
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JJH777
United States4376 Posts
On October 11 2012 10:33 FataLe wrote: Finally. I got sick and tired of hearing people making up excuses for MVP's losses. Yes his illness plays a role in the MVP he is today, but you're insulting MVP and his opponents every single time you put it down to his illness. TL is so fustrating sometimes. I think you misread that post. Fans were bashing MVP for blaming his wrists. | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On October 11 2012 10:40 revoN wrote: Consider the length of GSL as compared to say OSL. There wasn't anyone in SC2 who was dominant over a long period of time. Also he got his 4 wins before the Age of Elephants came about. Even if MVP wins this one I wouldn't be surprised if it'll be the last time he ever does (granted KeSPA players' continuous participation in the GSL and their skills getting better and better as time goes by). Anyway it's still too early to call anyone the best player that ever touched the game. People have been saying that bout Nestea and MC as well... Don't get me wrong. I still think MVP is one of the best players at the moment, though his play is too inconsistent to call him the absolute best. Mvp won his first GSL back in Jan 2011. If he wins this GSL, the time span will be 22 months which is a decent amount of time. And you can't downplay his achievements by saying it was before the Age of Elephants. It would be saying that Boxer wouldn't have won if JD and Flash played earlier. You can only be compare to the competition you had during that time. | ||
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FataLe
New Zealand4481 Posts
On October 11 2012 10:40 JJH777 wrote: I think you misread that post. Fans were bashing MVP for blaming his wrists. lmao oh okay. so not finally T.T | ||
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BlazeFury01
United States1460 Posts
On October 11 2012 10:05 Entirety wrote: Honestly, I wish people would read Mvp's interviews more. Mvp says he is extremely saddened when fans take his wrist issues as an excuse and blame him for lying or making it up when he continues to win. His problem is real, it is serious, it's not something that a simple treatment is going to fix. Yes, it affects his gameplay. No, he does not blame his losses on his condition. He has even stated that he doesn't think his skill level is high... top 60 or something. I could understand about the problems "really affecting" his play if this were Brood War but SC2 is much much much easier on the wrists. | ||
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BlazeFury01
United States1460 Posts
On October 11 2012 10:56 vthree wrote: Mvp won his first GSL back in Jan 2011. If he wins this GSL, the time span will be 22 months which is a decent amount of time. And you can't downplay his achievements by saying it was before the Age of Elephants. It would be saying that Boxer wouldn't have won if JD and Flash played earlier. You can only be compare to the competition you had during that time. The difference is that these elephants existed during the same time frame and had already proven themselves whereas Boxer was in a completely different era from Flash so the two situations are incomparable. Downplaying MVP's achievements is unacceptable. He earned his victories and deserves every title he's won. However, now since the game is official about to restart (elephants included) with HOTS we will see how he does in the HOTS GSLs against them. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On October 11 2012 11:00 BlazeFury01 wrote: The difference is that these elephants existed during the same time frame and had already proven themselves whereas Boxer was in a completely different era from Flash so the two situations are incomparable. hey I've seen this conversation before | ||
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BlazeFury01
United States1460 Posts
So have I, It's an endless cycle. | ||
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SeAK
Canada69 Posts
On October 11 2012 10:40 revoN wrote: Consider the length of GSL as compared to say OSL. There wasn't anyone in SC2 who was dominant over a long period of time. Also he got his 4 wins before the Age of Elephants came about. Even if MVP wins this one I wouldn't be surprised if it'll be the last time he ever does (granted KeSPA players' continuous participation in the GSL and their skills getting better and better as time goes by). Anyway it's still too early to call anyone the best player that ever touched the game. People have been saying that bout Nestea and MC as well... Don't get me wrong. I still think MVP is one of the best players at the moment, though his play is too inconsistent to call him the absolute best. SC2 is a pretty inconsistent game a lot of the time | ||
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FataLe
New Zealand4481 Posts
On October 11 2012 11:06 SeAK wrote: SC2 is a pretty inconsistent game a lot of the time any game in it's infancy is going to be inconsistent. | ||
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revoN
Japan804 Posts
On October 11 2012 10:56 vthree wrote: Mvp won his first GSL back in Jan 2011. If he wins this GSL, the time span will be 22 months which is a decent amount of time. And you can't downplay his achievements by saying it was before the Age of Elephants. It would be saying that Boxer wouldn't have won if JD and Flash played earlier. You can only be compare to the competition you had during that time. There's also all the time in-between his wins where his play showed some inconsistencies. And it's different from Boxer vs JD/Flash. Back then there was only one scene - BW. I'm not downplaying MVP's achievements. You are right bout one thing - you can only compare to the competition you had during that time. Consider that the absolute best was still playing BW during that time. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On October 11 2012 11:11 revoN wrote: There's also all the time in-between his wins where his play showed some inconsistencies. And it's different from Boxer vs JD/Flash. Back then there was only one scene - BW. I'm not downplaying MVP's achievements. You are right bout one thing - you can only compare to the competition you had during that time. Consider that the absolute best was still playing BW during that time. well if you're going to say Mvp's play is inconsistent then every single sc2 player is inconsistent, it doesn't get more consistent than making 6 GSL finals, the first one being 22 months before the most recent. | ||
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revoN
Japan804 Posts
On October 11 2012 11:13 Dodgin wrote: well if you're going to say Mvp's play is inconsistent then every single sc2 player is inconsistent, it doesn't get more consistent than making 6 GSL finals, the first one being 22 months before the most recent. Yeah actually I do think that every single sc2 player is inconsistent. Hopefully by the time HOTS comes round we'll get to that level of consistency. Who knows maybe MVP will continue to win championships. I'm not ruling that out. This time round I'll be cheering for Life though. Royal Road all the way baby! | ||
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rogzardo
610 Posts
MVP is the only player to pwn again and again, consistently, for the past two years. I'd be so homo if he'd only ask. | ||
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