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On October 04 2012 22:25 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: How has Sea been doing in SC2? I haven't heard much hype about him since he switched (obviously I know him well from BW).
I believe he was like 10-6 in Proleague. And he is GM on Korea If I recall correctly
On October 05 2012 00:33 HeeroFX wrote: taeja 2-1 Beasty 2-0 TLO 2-1 Sea 2-1 (sooo excited to see him play in this been watching his stream for like an hour and a half.)
Liquid 3-1
Generally i agree, although I don't see TaeJa dropping a map to Kas, he is looking to strong recently. I have no idea how Sea's TvT is, so it is hard to predict but I'm excited to see it as well. Both foreigner matches can go either way and if it goes to the ace match TaeJa will be way to strong.
On October 04 2012 16:24 styLesdavis wrote: Liquid will be sealing the deal.
Ha, that was cleverest one of the bunch.
I just realized now that seal (the animal) comes from sea, but where does seal (like, the insignia, "seal the letter with the king's seal" ) come from? Etymology is fun.
In other news, how good is Sea in SC2 so far? I could see Happy giving him a run for his money.
On October 05 2012 03:37 xXFireandIceXx wrote: man Sea's debut. but i honestly hope they can play Hero as the ace more often so as to not be SO predictable every time
Well, Empire would most likely throw a strong terran in the ring, so HerO is certainly a possibility with his PvT recently.
On October 05 2012 03:37 xXFireandIceXx wrote: man Sea's debut. but i honestly hope they can play Hero as the ace more often so as to not be SO predictable every time
Does it even matter that it's predictable because Taeja kills everyone anyway?
On October 05 2012 03:37 xXFireandIceXx wrote: man Sea's debut. but i honestly hope they can play Hero as the ace more often so as to not be SO predictable every time
Does it even matter that it's predictable because Taeja kills everyone anyway?
Against Acer it did. But I don't know if HerO would have been a better choice against Nerchio anyway.
On October 05 2012 03:37 xXFireandIceXx wrote: man Sea's debut. but i honestly hope they can play Hero as the ace more often so as to not be SO predictable every time
Does it even matter that it's predictable because Taeja kills everyone anyway?
Against Acer it did. But I don't know if HerO would have been a better choice against Nerchio anyway.
Not really it felt like Taeja really just let off the gas against Nerchio in the 2nd set.
On a different note, really looking forward to this match, it's going to be awesome!
That was beautyful engagements from TaeJa - Sending reinforcements to Kas' 5th instead of to his army sieging Kas' 4th, shelling the 5th and then retreating his army at the 4th at the same time, baller
However, Kas never really has 'bad' games which I really like about him, he's just very solid!
Whyyyy? He scouted it so early... Reminds me of his loss to Fuzer in the Battle at Ministry of Win. First game lost to 2rax, second game to invincible air-terran army after not attacking for like ever.
What did Mista play before? Just switched over there and heard he used to be high level in another game, but didn't catch the title. Heard he's pretty promising
On October 05 2012 11:38 Wombat_NI wrote: What did Mista play before? Just switched over there and heard he used to be high level in another game, but didn't catch the title. Heard he's pretty promising
On October 05 2012 11:38 Wombat_NI wrote: What did Mista play before? Just switched over there and heard he used to be high level in another game, but didn't catch the title. Heard he's pretty promising
On October 05 2012 11:49 FuzzyJAM wrote: That was. . .really bad.
Just really nervous or something?
He was probably looking away and then when the AI was like "Your forces are under attack" he went back to his army, saw roaches and lings, and just spammed f + left click in the general area of the ramp. Or at least that's what its like when I do that.
On October 05 2012 11:49 FuzzyJAM wrote: That was. . .really bad.
Just really nervous or something?
He was probably looking away and then when the AI was like "Your forces are under attack" he went back to his army, saw roaches and lings, and just spammed f + left click in the general area of the ramp. Or at least that's what its like when I do that.
Well, he also went for some weird attack which had zero development but apparently wasn't an all in and left him with 700 minerals after warping in. The whole game was just. . .eh.
On October 05 2012 11:49 FuzzyJAM wrote: That was. . .really bad.
Just really nervous or something?
He was probably looking away and then when the AI was like "Your forces are under attack" he went back to his army, saw roaches and lings, and just spammed f + left click in the general area of the ramp. Or at least that's what its like when I do that.
Well, he also went for some weird attack which had zero development but apparently wasn't an all in and left him with 700 minerals after warping in. The whole game was just. . .eh.
Yeah, it was a pretty weird game + some weird strats
EDIT: wow this is a weird strat too..
EDIT: And did Mista really just right click on that evo chamber...
On October 05 2012 12:06 beamingrobot wrote: wait, why did he leave that way? Just caught the last 5 minutes of the game.
He had no tech against a developing BL Infestor army. And apparently he was upset with TLO for not letting him restart after he fucked up. He built 2 gates at his wall instead of a forge+gate.
On October 05 2012 12:06 beamingrobot wrote: wait, why did he leave that way? Just caught the last 5 minutes of the game.
He had no tech against a developing BL Infestor army. And apparently he was upset with TLO for not letting him restart after he fucked up. He built 2 gates at his wall instead of a forge+gate.
Ah I see. I could see that his tech was almost non-existent, just wondering about his QQ. Thanks for the clarification :D
On October 05 2012 12:09 tylerf wrote: Where in the world would anyone get the idea that they are entitled to restart a competitive match after making a mistake?
On October 05 2012 12:09 tylerf wrote: Where in the world would anyone get the idea that they are entitled to restart a competitive match after making a mistake?
Didn't Demuslim do something like that?
LOL Hall0wed <3
He restarted a game vs Scarlett after she made a evo chamber instead of a spawning pool I believe.
On October 05 2012 12:09 tylerf wrote: Where in the world would anyone get the idea that they are entitled to restart a competitive match after making a mistake?
Didn't Demuslim do something like that?
LOL Hall0wed <3
Well TLO said "I'm not Demuslim". I guess it's up to each player. It was pretty awesome in the MSI qualifier final where Stephano forgot his pool against 11 11 rax and Lucifron let him regame. Then Luci did a failed allin and Stephano let him regame. Lots of sportmanship there But of course it's not mandatory to regame, and you can't expect it.
On October 05 2012 12:09 tylerf wrote: Where in the world would anyone get the idea that they are entitled to restart a competitive match after making a mistake?
Didn't Demuslim do something like that?
LOL Hall0wed <3
Demuslim did for Scarlett at the last IPL
Stephano and Lucifron had a good back and forth of regames recently.
On October 05 2012 12:09 tylerf wrote: Where in the world would anyone get the idea that they are entitled to restart a competitive match after making a mistake?
Didn't Demuslim do something like that?
LOL Hall0wed <3
Yeah Demuslim let Scarlett have a regame at MLG and I think she ended up beating him because of it. I guess he kind of thought that since the games were cast from replays there was no time pressure so they could just regame but that's not how competition works so... pretty BM, especially for a random guy who no one has really seen before.
For my defence , the day the games were played i had huge provider problems and we postponed our games for like 5-6 hours , as soon as internet seem smooth we started our games but it wasnt for long i missplaced my nexus and then cancel and remake it again and after that being frustrated i made 2 gates by mistake TLO new i had lag issued so i asked to rmk the series later but he responded with i am not demuslim . Lag explains the retarted forcefields and the no usage of blink aswell (My stalkers were dying before they blink)
On October 05 2012 12:18 Empire.Mista wrote: For my defence , the day the games were played i had huge provider problems and we postponed our games for like 5-6 hours , as soon as internet seem smooth we started our games but it wasnt for long i missplaced my nexus and then cancel and remake it again and after that being frustrated i made 2 gates by mistake TLO new i had lag issued so i asked to rmk the series later but he responded with i am not demuslim .
Then tell TLO that, why QQ like a kid, you knew that was gonna get casted.
On October 05 2012 12:18 Empire.Mista wrote: For my defence , the day the games were played i had huge provider problems and we postponed our games for like 5-6 hours , as soon as internet seem smooth we started our games but it wasnt for long i missplaced my nexus and then cancel and remake it again and after that being frustrated i made 2 gates by mistake TLO new i had lag issued so i asked to rmk the series later but he responded with i am not demuslim .
So what you're saying is TLO had already given you 6 hours and you somehow thinks that means you can get mad at him for not letting you restart when you make a basic mistake which is based on pressing the wrong buttons on the keyboard - i.e. not lag?
Miss placing my nexus is not a keyboard mistake. When i have smthing to say i say it , if you dont want to see/hear it close your eyes/ears , i felt dissapointed that tlo didnt remake game 1 later , i would .
On October 05 2012 12:24 Empire.Mista wrote: Miss placing my nexus is not a keyboard mistake. When i have smthing to say i say it , if you dont want to see/hear it close your eyes/ears , i felt dissapointed that tlo didnt remake game 1 later , i would .
You bitched about making two Gates by mistake. . .how is that lag?
On October 05 2012 12:28 Empire.Mista wrote: I didnt ask the remake for that read my first post i asked remake when i canceled my nexus because i missplaced it.
It's a competition- You don't get a remake in the NBA if you mess up the tip-off. You don't get a remake in Sc2 if you lose an engagement- You mess up- its your fault.
Wasnt my fault that my internet died and had to play with insane lag , anyway i lost , games were played/casted not much to talk about anymore , i just wanted to let you know what happened because on stream , they missed the nexus missplacement and cancel (you can check vod , check production you will see nexus/cancel/nexus) Have a good night everyone and i promise i wont let you down again
On October 05 2012 12:28 Empire.Mista wrote: I didnt ask the remake for that read my first post i asked remake when i canceled my nexus because i missplaced it.
It's a competition- You don't get a remake in the NBA if you mess up the tip-off. You don't get a remake in Sc2 if you lose an engagement- You mess up- its your fault.
Did Idra get a remake in the TSL after he cancelled his CC?
On October 05 2012 12:38 TheDougler wrote: Sick game, that's more or less how I thought this debut would be against a top foreigner (empire is a great team). Kinda sea-sawed back and forth.
On October 05 2012 12:24 Empire.Mista wrote: Miss placing my nexus is not a keyboard mistake. When i have smthing to say i say it , if you dont want to see/hear it close your eyes/ears , i felt dissapointed that tlo didnt remake game 1 later , i would .
You're a pro. Suck it up. Going on the forums and bitching that TLO didn't give you a completely unnecessary and completely unwarranted regame isn't going to get you fans, get people to understand where you're coming from, or get us to blame TLO for not giving a regame. It's not his fault, it's yours.
Sea seems to think marines are more OP than they really are, way too crazy with his engagements. Kind of wish that he made more tanks though, he was banking like 2k gas for most of the late game, could have easily thrown down some more factories and more tanks instead of marines. WP by Happy of course!
On October 05 2012 12:24 Empire.Mista wrote: Miss placing my nexus is not a keyboard mistake. When i have smthing to say i say it , if you dont want to see/hear it close your eyes/ears , i felt dissapointed that tlo didnt remake game 1 later , i would .
You're a pro. Suck it up. Going on the forums and bitching that TLO didn't give you a completely unnecessary and completely unwarranted regame isn't going to get you fans, get people to understand where you're coming from, or get us to blame TLO for not giving a regame. It's not his fault, it's yours.
To be fair to Mista. He had huge lag issues and TLO should have provided a re game if he had any kind of sportsmanship. But you do got a point no need to bitch about it rules are rules.
Happy took very well fights, but he was too intimidated by the PFs and underestimated the counterattacks. Once he saw that Sea was counter-pushing he could've just a moved on the PF (dies in 1 second vs mass marine tank) or pulled back, overall good games so far
On October 05 2012 12:24 Empire.Mista wrote: Miss placing my nexus is not a keyboard mistake. When i have smthing to say i say it , if you dont want to see/hear it close your eyes/ears , i felt dissapointed that tlo didnt remake game 1 later , i would .
You're a pro. Suck it up. Going on the forums and bitching that TLO didn't give you a completely unnecessary and completely unwarranted regame isn't going to get you fans, get people to understand where you're coming from, or get us to blame TLO for not giving a regame. It's not his fault, it's yours.
To be fair to Mista. He had huge lag issues and TLO should have provided a re game if he had any kind of sportsmanship. But you do got a point no need to bitch about it rules are rules.
No he shouldn't have given a regame. It's a competition, if your opponent messes up you should absolutely take advantage of it. Also especially on teams such as Liquid with large rosters, you often won't be playing a lot of weeks in MCSL so when you get put in you really want to win your match, so you get more time in the starting lineup.
On October 05 2012 12:31 Whatson wrote: Happy is engaging so well, Sea's macro is ridiculous though o.O
Not to take away from Happy, but it's more of Sea engaging with a cavalier attitude rather than Happy picking good fights.
Maybe Sea thinks that his macro and mechanics are so much better than Happy's that he can afford to engage recklessly? Oldschool Korean hubris?
Or maybe he just doesn't know how to engage properly in a TvT yet? Jesus some people...
Did you watch the game? He ran into seiged positions in the middle of the map. He's a BW pro, so I won't believe for a second that he doesn't understand that running into seige tanks puts him at a disadvantage. It's makes much more sense that he thought he had much better macro than a guy who he has never heard of, than to believe he's a dumbass who thinks charging siege tanks is a winning strategy.
Happy is playing some of the best TvT I've seen him play in months!
Splitting the army off by forcing to counter the drops then locking down the mid-ground has pretty much won him the game. Sea can't get home and Happy is picking him apart.
Cant say that Sea has never played SC2 because he seems to have pretty good macro but his decision making and multi task seems to be worse than Happy. He's no Rain, that is for sure.
The casting has been amazing, really enjoying incontrol especially. he should do more major tournaments, seriously. TeamTaeja...such a striking parallel to KTFlash
If it was any other player, I would be willing to bet, everyone would be praising and hyping the player up.. But it's taeja... Same old complete beat down of his opponent
clueless cast by incontrol, beasty was powering heavily while taeja was doing a way more conservative play, beasty added like 8 barracks and 3 ccs, was 5 upgrades ahead of taeja, and that's why he fell down in supply, a risky move that taeja capitalized on, pretty much the story of the game.
beasty took risks expecting taeja to go for his famous powering style, didn't pay off.
On October 05 2012 13:26 LighT. wrote: If it was any other player, I would be willing to bet, everyone would be praising and hyping the player up.. But it's taeja... Same old complete beat down of his opponent
Kind of hard to hype up Taeja since many already consider him the best terran (and one of the best players) in the world.
not the most optimized build in the world from Taeja.. Actually, this is one of the worst BOs i've seen from Taeja, and I've seen a lot of weird builds from him
On October 05 2012 13:37 Vaftrudner wrote: If we don't talk about it, it didn't happen.
A wise man once said;
On November 02 2011 18:25 Gheed wrote: Yes, this is real. This happened. And you have to know that this replay exists, because I do, and I can't carry that burden alone. Others must share my confusion
wish Beasty pulled a TLO right now and threw a building of his own on that tech lab, not the worst position for something and it saves a few minerals gas and time.
On October 05 2012 13:47 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I missed Sea vs. Happy. Apparently 2-0 Happy. Did Sea get rolled? What happened?
Sea suicided his army into tank lines a bunch of times in game 1 and threw away a pretty good macro advantage (both went marine tank but Sea was more marine heavy). Game 2 he did a bit better at not suiciding his armies but Happy had better positioning overall IMO, which is key in TvT.
On November 02 2011 18:25 Gheed wrote: Yes, this is real. This happened. And you have to know that this replay exists, because I do, and I can't carry that burden alone. Others must share my confusion
Don't worry, I can carry those last two games on my own. No one else has to suffer. I'll take one for the community.
"Beasty is just so far ahead" Supply counts are even "Beasty has a huge lead" Taeja has more supply "If he catches these tanks unsieged he will win right here!" Taeja wins the battle easily 4th CC... EDIT: Obviously supply counts aren't everything. But for having such a lead he sure threw it away with the botched attacks and bizarre 4th timing. And its amusing when the caster yells "This is -SO- good for Beasty" and the push gets demolished ...
On October 05 2012 13:57 Sajaki wrote: "Beasty is just so far ahead" Supply counts are even "Beasty has a huge lead" Taeja has more supply "If he catches these tanks unsieged he will win right here!" Taeja wins the battle easily 4th CC...
On October 05 2012 13:57 Sajaki wrote: "Beasty is just so far ahead" Supply counts are even "Beasty has a huge lead" Taeja has more supply "If he catches these tanks unsieged he will win right here!" Taeja wins the battle easily 4th CC...
Because supply counts are everything, indeed.
I'm not sure whether you're being sarcastic about that or whether you mean that supply counts are important, but supply counts do matter a bit in mirror matches (no need to mention them too often of course). Just one component of the game that helps in giving us a picture of the situation.
On October 05 2012 14:18 bsdaemon wrote: when did sea start playing sc2? is it only recent? his play looks as if he is still trying to find his way through the game.
same time all kespa switched i think, he is not 1 of the better kespa players at sc2 tho
On October 05 2012 12:24 Empire.Mista wrote: Miss placing my nexus is not a keyboard mistake. When i have smthing to say i say it , if you dont want to see/hear it close your eyes/ears , i felt dissapointed that tlo didnt remake game 1 later , i would .
You're a pro. Suck it up. Going on the forums and bitching that TLO didn't give you a completely unnecessary and completely unwarranted regame isn't going to get you fans, get people to understand where you're coming from, or get us to blame TLO for not giving a regame. It's not his fault, it's yours.
To be fair to Mista. He had huge lag issues and TLO should have provided a re game if he had any kind of sportsmanship. But you do got a point no need to bitch about it rules are rules.
I did offer to play the games even later, but he said "it's okay."
ingame mistakes have absolutely nothing to do with sportsmanship though. And I think no progamer should ever regame in a competition because someone made a mistake ingame. I screwed up so many games, where do you draw the line? Oops I got supply blocked... Regame?
It's the nature of competition, Lag is another Issue, but not really my fault when Mista agreed to start the game. I didn't put any pressure on him and would have played the game at any other time.
On October 05 2012 13:57 Sajaki wrote: "Beasty is just so far ahead" Supply counts are even "Beasty has a huge lead" Taeja has more supply "If he catches these tanks unsieged he will win right here!" Taeja wins the battle easily 4th CC...
Because supply counts are everything, indeed.
I'm not sure whether you're being sarcastic about that or whether you mean that supply counts are important, but supply counts do matter a bit in mirror matches (no need to mention them too often of course). Just one component of the game that helps in giving us a picture of the situation.
I'm a 130 supply mech player against a 150 supply bio player, even worker counts, even bases, even upgrades. Most people would say that its a fairly even game, I may be slightly behind. Compare that to same supplies, but I've already begun sacking SCVs, so I only have 40 workers to 70, but I have 3 extra OCs. I am clearly in the lead In the same way, Taeja and Beasty have same supplies, but Taeja is behind on economy (Beasty had a faster CC, more SCVs) and production. Later on, 3rd down, more production for Beasty, Taeja going for a 2base with lots of hellions that inflate supply. Its hard to tell whos in the lead just because of supply counts.
On October 05 2012 12:24 Empire.Mista wrote: Miss placing my nexus is not a keyboard mistake. When i have smthing to say i say it , if you dont want to see/hear it close your eyes/ears , i felt dissapointed that tlo didnt remake game 1 later , i would .
You're a pro. Suck it up. Going on the forums and bitching that TLO didn't give you a completely unnecessary and completely unwarranted regame isn't going to get you fans, get people to understand where you're coming from, or get us to blame TLO for not giving a regame. It's not his fault, it's yours.
To be fair to Mista. He had huge lag issues and TLO should have provided a re game if he had any kind of sportsmanship. But you do got a point no need to bitch about it rules are rules.
I did offer to play the games even later, but he said "it's okay."
ingame mistakes have absolutely nothing to do with sportsmanship though. And I think no progamer should ever regame in a competition because someone made a mistake ingame. I screwed up so many games, where do you draw the line? Oops I got supply blocked... Regame?
It's the nature of competition, Lag is another Issue, but not really my fault when Mista agreed to start the game. I didn't put any pressure on him and would have played the game at any other time.
Got to agree with TLO here. I mean do you get a regame if you miss a forcefield? Mismicro a banshee? Got caught with a huge fungal?
On October 05 2012 12:24 Empire.Mista wrote: Miss placing my nexus is not a keyboard mistake. When i have smthing to say i say it , if you dont want to see/hear it close your eyes/ears , i felt dissapointed that tlo didnt remake game 1 later , i would .
There would be no reason for a regame. Just like when getting supply blocked or anything you shouldn't be given a regame because you mis clicked in an important match. That's your fault, not TLO's fault that you mis placed your nexus in an important match.
Guarantee it if you did that same mistake in gsl/mlg/dreamhack/etc you wouldn't be given a regame either and you wouldn't deserve it even then (not saying you as in you specifically but any player).
On October 05 2012 13:47 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I missed Sea vs. Happy. Apparently 2-0 Happy. Did Sea get rolled? What happened?
Sea suicided his army into tank lines a bunch of times in game 1 and threw away a pretty good macro advantage (both went marine tank but Sea was more marine heavy). Game 2 he did a bit better at not suiciding his armies but Happy had better positioning overall IMO, which is key in TvT.
I was afraid of this... Joining TL is very cool ofc, but leaving a KeSPA team is a bad sign imo. I think these guys see foreign teams as a place to go to earn an easy buck instead of retiring.
On October 05 2012 12:24 Empire.Mista wrote: Miss placing my nexus is not a keyboard mistake. When i have smthing to say i say it , if you dont want to see/hear it close your eyes/ears , i felt dissapointed that tlo didnt remake game 1 later , i would .
You're a pro. Suck it up. Going on the forums and bitching that TLO didn't give you a completely unnecessary and completely unwarranted regame isn't going to get you fans, get people to understand where you're coming from, or get us to blame TLO for not giving a regame. It's not his fault, it's yours.
To be fair to Mista. He had huge lag issues and TLO should have provided a re game if he had any kind of sportsmanship. But you do got a point no need to bitch about it rules are rules.
I did offer to play the games even later, but he said "it's okay."
ingame mistakes have absolutely nothing to do with sportsmanship though. And I think no progamer should ever regame in a competition because someone made a mistake ingame. I screwed up so many games, where do you draw the line? Oops I got supply blocked... Regame?
It's the nature of competition, Lag is another Issue, but not really my fault when Mista agreed to start the game. I didn't put any pressure on him and would have played the game at any other time.
Lucky TL, Empire came one game from winning, and that was with Taeja on the field.
Empire are a good team and all but for a team with 50% Koreans now these are series TL has got to be winning convincingly. Good to see TLO with a win on the board though, and I can't fathom what's happened to Ret.
The biggest thing about Sea that I gathered from this is that he might not understand TvT to the level we expect from pros. He repeatedly stimmed into tank lines, he never dropped to fuck with the immobility that is mech (even with the turret rings, he could have tried run bys or something. Viking to tank the missiles maybe? Anything other than running into tank lines up hill), he basically hoped macro would get him through. Sure, Taeja relies on God Macro, but Taeja also balances it with great in game decisions most of the time.
Here's to hoping you get some TvT against Taeja in Sea. You were born for Liquid.
I did offer to play the games even later, but he said "it's okay."
ingame mistakes have absolutely nothing to do with sportsmanship though. And I think no progamer should ever regame in a competition because someone made a mistake ingame. I screwed up so many games, where do you draw the line? Oops I got supply blocked... Regame?
It's the nature of competition, Lag is another Issue, but not really my fault when Mista agreed to start the game. I didn't put any pressure on him and would have played the game at any other time.
I think you did it right... And actually that course of action was more respectful towards Mista then it would have been to grant him the regame. This course of action respects his ability as a player, and it also dismisses the begging/complaining he did as a "heat of the moment" thing... if it had been me, and someone had actually granted the rematch, my behavior and the outcome would have been nagging me after that.
On October 05 2012 12:24 Empire.Mista wrote: Miss placing my nexus is not a keyboard mistake. When i have smthing to say i say it , if you dont want to see/hear it close your eyes/ears , i felt dissapointed that tlo didnt remake game 1 later , i would .
You're a pro. Suck it up. Going on the forums and bitching that TLO didn't give you a completely unnecessary and completely unwarranted regame isn't going to get you fans, get people to understand where you're coming from, or get us to blame TLO for not giving a regame. It's not his fault, it's yours.
To be fair to Mista. He had huge lag issues and TLO should have provided a re game if he had any kind of sportsmanship. But you do got a point no need to bitch about it rules are rules.
I did offer to play the games even later, but he said "it's okay."
ingame mistakes have absolutely nothing to do with sportsmanship though. And I think no progamer should ever regame in a competition because someone made a mistake ingame. I screwed up so many games, where do you draw the line? Oops I got supply blocked... Regame?
It's the nature of competition, Lag is another Issue, but not really my fault when Mista agreed to start the game. I didn't put any pressure on him and would have played the game at any other time.
Got to agree with TLO here. I mean do you get a regame if you miss a forcefield? Mismicro a banshee? Got caught with a huge fungal?
I wish there should be the option to save the game and each time a player makes a mistake, you restart the game from the last save and see how the game goes with both players playing absolutely perfectly Infinite game incoming.
i totaly agree with TLO. It's a compatision! Even if Mista missplaced the nexus because of lag, so what? Do we also rematch if you can't control the units perfectly because of lag? Do we do a rematch if you miss a force field? Mista brought TLO in an uncomfortable situation there. You don't ask for a regame in such a situation that's just bm. TLO handled the situation very well. Good sportsmanship doesn't mean that you have to give in to ridiculous claims.
What are you guys comparing it to getting supply blocked for? Either he misplaced his nexus in the normal human error sort of way or he misplaced it due to lag. He claims it was the latter. As spectators none of you would have any real idea which it was, so why whine about his whining? What's the point? A baseball game can be played in the rain, but at a certain point the league has to step in and say no. Unfortunately there's no mechanism for that here.
Well, maybe Starcraft 3 will be designed properly and nobody will have to deal with stuff like this. In 2026, I mean.
On October 05 2012 22:53 lolmlg wrote: What are you guys comparing it to getting supply blocked for? Either he misplaced his nexus in the normal human error sort of way or he misplaced it due to lag. He claims it was the latter. As spectators none of you would have any real idea which it was, so why whine about his whining? What's the point? A baseball game can be played in the rain, but at a certain point the league has to step in and say no. Unfortunately there's no mechanism for that here.
Well, maybe Starcraft 3 will be designed properly and nobody will have to deal with stuff like this. In 2026, I mean.
People play with lag all the time, especially on online tournaments. That doesn't mean they get to regame. And for all you know, Mista could be lying/exaggerating about the lag. There's no proof, and you can expect lots of people claiming they lost because of lag if it becomes normal to get a regame because of it.
It would kill esports if the games were treated like this.
On October 05 2012 22:53 lolmlg wrote: What are you guys comparing it to getting supply blocked for? Either he misplaced his nexus in the normal human error sort of way or he misplaced it due to lag. He claims it was the latter. As spectators none of you would have any real idea which it was, so why whine about his whining? What's the point? A baseball game can be played in the rain, but at a certain point the league has to step in and say no. Unfortunately there's no mechanism for that here.
Well, maybe Starcraft 3 will be designed properly and nobody will have to deal with stuff like this. In 2026, I mean.
People play with lag all the time, especially on online tournaments. That doesn't mean they get to regame. And for all you know, Mista could be lying/exaggerating about the lag. There's no proof, and you can expect lots of people claiming they lost because of lag if it becomes normal to get a regame because of it.
It would kill esports if the games were treated like this.
Ya it is true. And I am sure that most of the major leagues have rules in place for this stuff. Lag happens...as a pro and a team you have to take that into account. As long as the league has rules in place for this then there is no issue.
On October 05 2012 13:47 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I missed Sea vs. Happy. Apparently 2-0 Happy. Did Sea get rolled? What happened?
Sea suicided his army into tank lines a bunch of times in game 1 and threw away a pretty good macro advantage (both went marine tank but Sea was more marine heavy). Game 2 he did a bit better at not suiciding his armies but Happy had better positioning overall IMO, which is key in TvT.
I was afraid of this... Joining TL is very cool ofc, but leaving a KeSPA team is a bad sign imo. I think these guys see foreign teams as a place to go to earn an easy buck instead of retiring.
Sea claimed he was stagnating and wanted to leave in order to rejuvenate his career. What's wrong with that? He's probably getting less money on TL too.
On October 05 2012 20:03 Mauldo wrote: The biggest thing about Sea that I gathered from this is that he might not understand TvT to the level we expect from pros. He repeatedly stimmed into tank lines, he never dropped to fuck with the immobility that is mech (even with the turret rings, he could have tried run bys or something. Viking to tank the missiles maybe? Anything other than running into tank lines up hill), he basically hoped macro would get him through. Sure, Taeja relies on God Macro, but Taeja also balances it with great in game decisions most of the time.
Here's to hoping you get some TvT against Taeja in Sea. You were born for Liquid.
I have faith that Sea can improve a lot here. Sea's TvT was absolutely, ridiculously monstrous in BW when he was on top of his game, and SC2 TvT is similar in a lot of ways to how it was in BW (at least in terms of things like siege tank positioning, taking advantage of mobility/immobility, etc.).
Once he gets a better understanding of the intricacies of SC2, I think he'll be able to tear it up.
On October 05 2012 13:47 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I missed Sea vs. Happy. Apparently 2-0 Happy. Did Sea get rolled? What happened?
Sea suicided his army into tank lines a bunch of times in game 1 and threw away a pretty good macro advantage (both went marine tank but Sea was more marine heavy). Game 2 he did a bit better at not suiciding his armies but Happy had better positioning overall IMO, which is key in TvT.
I was afraid of this... Joining TL is very cool ofc, but leaving a KeSPA team is a bad sign imo. I think these guys see foreign teams as a place to go to earn an easy buck instead of retiring.
I think these games demonstrated that Sea's macro is incredible. I truly believe he can improve his strategy and become a monster player.
Too bad about Mista. You just can't afford to go to the ace against TL, that's pretty much gg right there. :p
On October 05 2012 13:01 CosmicSpiral wrote: Hmmm, how were the Beastyqt vs Ret matches? I was honestly expecting Ret to win those games.
You did? Has he picked up his vT lately? First week of August he lost to Fuzer (0-2) Satiini (1-2) and HeroMarine (0-2). Haven't seen him since then..I think.
I didn't see the games, yet, but I would love to see how Sea is currently doing and keep an eye on him in future games to see how fast KeSpa players will develop in this game.
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