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NHY
Profile Joined October 2010
1013 Posts
September 15 2012 07:54 GMT
#361
On September 15 2012 16:50 Dodgin wrote:
So it was " lagging the whole game " and he decides to pause when he suddenly can't warp in to stop a runby

sureeeeeeeeee tassadar -_-

It was base a race situation; one zealot wasn't going to stop the whole zerg army.
Havik_
Profile Joined November 2011
United States5585 Posts
September 15 2012 07:55 GMT
#362
Cmon Inca!!!!
"An opinion is only as good as the evidence that backs it up."- William O'Malley, S.J.
Kiyo.
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2284 Posts
September 15 2012 07:55 GMT
#363
On September 15 2012 16:54 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2012 16:53 Dodgin wrote:
On September 15 2012 16:51 Kiyo. wrote:
On September 15 2012 16:50 Dodgin wrote:
So it was " lagging the whole game " and he decides to pause when he suddenly can't warp in to stop a runby

sureeeeeeeeee tassadar -_-


Or maybe the lag got unbearable with 2 battles happening in different parts of the map, one of them a big attack?


Stop it with your logic, I'm sticking to my conspiracy bisu.

Well bisu conspiracies are the only thing he's got going for him in SC2 so good on you.


Ooooh, you're on fire today. Throwin out burns everywhere.
KT Rolster & StarTale <3 | twitter.com/RayFoxII - twitch.tv/RayFoxII
Soyuz
Profile Joined July 2011
Hong Kong996 Posts
September 15 2012 07:55 GMT
#364
On September 15 2012 16:54 xrapture wrote:
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On September 15 2012 16:51 Soyuz wrote:
On September 15 2012 16:50 xrapture wrote:
wtf Tassadar was about to get rolled TT


No, you have no idea. Nobody really does.


He didn't even have a robo bay...


He went for templar tech. He had immortals. Byul had no good tech either.
StaplerPhone
Profile Joined March 2011
United States813 Posts
September 15 2012 07:55 GMT
#365
Classic Tassadar
NaDa | MC | HerO | DeMusliM | TaeJa | viOLet
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
September 15 2012 07:55 GMT
#366
bisu vs effort is legendary yo, most kespa players can't say they already played a legendary sc2 game ;o take that
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
September 15 2012 07:55 GMT
#367
On September 15 2012 16:55 Kiyo. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2012 16:54 Fusilero wrote:
On September 15 2012 16:53 Dodgin wrote:
On September 15 2012 16:51 Kiyo. wrote:
On September 15 2012 16:50 Dodgin wrote:
So it was " lagging the whole game " and he decides to pause when he suddenly can't warp in to stop a runby

sureeeeeeeeee tassadar -_-


Or maybe the lag got unbearable with 2 battles happening in different parts of the map, one of them a big attack?


Stop it with your logic, I'm sticking to my conspiracy bisu.

Well bisu conspiracies are the only thing he's got going for him in SC2 so good on you.


Ooooh, you're on fire today. Throwin out burns everywhere.

I'm angry that complexity dota lost jeyo so I will insult all other fans
Glorious SEA doto
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-17 16:17:50
September 15 2012 07:55 GMT
#368
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Hi, I'm Shadow Shaman !
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Shadow Shaman is a very powerful intelligence hero. He can fill nearly every role, push, gank, disable and nuke, and can play any position from 2 to 5, from solo mid to hard support. Rhasta (his little name) can be as useful with just a pair of mana boots as he'll be loaded with expensive, high tier items.

Base stats at level 1 :

Hit Points 511
Mana 273
Damage 47-54
Armor 1.24
Movement Speed 285
Sight Range 1800/800
Attack Range 500
Attack Duration 0.3+0.5
Cast Duration 0.3+1.07
Base Attack Time 1.7


Rhasta is one of the slowest heroes in the game, slightly faster than Crystal Maiden, Invoker (280) and Goblin Techies (270), tied with the other slow-ass'ed Tiny, Viper, Morphling, and a few others.
His sight range is standard, and he has good attack range. Last hitting with Rhasta isn't very hard, his animation is pretty straightforward.
Animation cancelling is extremely important with this hero, if you don't do it after casting a spell you'll have to wait a full second to cast another spell, which is bad on a hero with a spell combo based gameplay.


Stat gain :

Strength 19+1.6
Agility 16+1.6
Intelligence 21+3


Low/average STR and AGI gains, but high INT gain makes his spammable spells even more spammable.
Speaking of spells :


Spells :

Ether Shock
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Damage: Magical
Creates a cone of ethereal energy that strikes multiple enemy units.
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Range: 600
Starting Area Of Cone: 200
Distance Of Cone: 500
Final Area Of Cone: 300
Number of Targets: 1/3/5/7
Damage: 140/200/260/320
Mana cost : 95/105/135/160
Cooldown : 8

A strong nuke that can also be used to farm the creep waves from lvl3. The damage is the same for all targets. There is a small learning curve as it is possible to hit a single creep even at level 4 if you're badly positioned. The best way to hit a whole creep wave is to have the melee creeps between you and the ranged creep, and to aim the spell on the ranged creep. A few uses will be enough to understand how the spell works anyway.
Note that the spell can "bounce" up to a range of 1000, so you can target a creep between you and a hero and hit him from a long range.


Hex
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Transforms an enemy unit into a harmless creature, disabling their attacks and abilities.
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Range: 500
Duration: 1.25/2/2.75/3.5
Mana cost : 110/140/170/200
Cooldown : 13

Transform your target into a chicken, easy game. Note that hex destroys illusions (including replicate) and that a hexed target always has 0% evasion.


Shackles
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CHANNELED - Magically binds an enemy unit so that it cannot move or attack, while dealing damage over time.
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Range: 400
Channeling Duration: 2.5/3.25/4/4.75
Mana cost : 110/130/155/185
Damage Per Second : 40
Cooldown : 16

Again an easy spell, you click and they hate you. Being on the receiving end of this spell feels like you're disabled forever, and indeed with level 4 shackles, you are. Perfect in lane, I have an extremely high first blood rate thanks to this spell, and you should too. Laning with an Ursa will make the opponents leave the lane most of the time.


Mass Serpent Ward
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Summons 8 serpent wards to attack enemy units and structures. The wards are immune to magic, and have a small area of splash damage that increases per level. Upgradable by Aghanim's Scepter.
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Range: 550
Serpent Wards Duration: 45
Serpent Wards Damage: 39-43 / 54-58 / 69-73 (53-59 / 74-79 / 94-100*)
Full Damage Splash Radius: 50/75/85
40% Damage Splash Radius: 75/100/110
20% Damage Splash Radius: 150/200/220
Mana cost : 200/350/600
Cooldown : 110
(* shows the Aghanim's Scepter damage)

Another easy spell, you click, it summons 8 serpent wards which attack the closest enemy. It's important to learn to immediately hotkey them (you can double click one ward to select them all) so you can manually target the things you want to kill in priority. The wards can also act as a 3rd disable, if you click on a hero he will be surrounded by the wards. In dota 1, ward trapping was a difficult skill to master, you had to target the middle of the enemy's head then adjust your click depending the direction they were facing and their speed, but in dota 2, just click somebody and it'll work 90% of the time.
Wards are a great ganking and pushing tool, and can also be used to farm stacked ancient camps.
Note : wards do piercing damage, which means they do 50% of their damage vs heroes, 150% vs creeps and 35% vs buildings. Don't worry tho, 50% of a lot is still a lot.



Items :


Rhasta can be built in dozens of ways, you can play 10 games and use 10 different item builds.

- Standard starting build :

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No big explanation needed here. If you're solo mid you can sacrifice some regen for a faster bottle, and if you need to buy wards or a courier you can skip the gauntlet of strength.
Gauntlet or mantle ? Most pro players playing a solo mid Rhasta will buy a mantle first. Even if you solo mid, I'll recommend you get a gauntlet instead. The extra HPs on a very fragile and slow hero are invaluable, and you'll be able to build an urn or some drums later. If you're not facing a pro player mid, buy a gauntlet =)

The item development depends on your role :

- Solo mid Rhasta :

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Your goal is to get your arcane boots and dagger the quickest way possible, then to gank and push where possible. Most of the time you'll kill your mid opponent as soon as you'll hit 6 or 7, and the best way to do it is to push your lane near his tower with an ether shock (try to hit the enemy hero !), then hex him near his tower, ward trap him, and shackle him (don't forget to select your wards and make them attack your enemy !). When this combo works you'll kill him then you'll kill the tower with the help of your wards, giving you a big lead. This scenario won't happen 100% of the time against a smart and cautious opponent, it's up to you to look for an opportunity to place your combo and to make it happen. Be careful to not right click him before you shackle him, or the tower will beat your sorry face during the channeling time. This scenario is the ideal one, aim for it but if you can get one of two (hero kill or tower kill), go for it.
Note that I included a TP scroll in the item build, this one is important on every hero but it's crucial on Rhasta, your mass disables allow you to punish any dive hard by TPing then shackling someone under tower fire for instance, or to TP and zap a fleeing, low HP hero.

- Offlane Rhasta :

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Why a force staff instead of a dagger ? An offlane Rhasta will have less levels and less gold than a solomid Rhasta. If you buy nothing to boost your mana pool, your gameplay will consist of TPing to a lane, killing stuff, walking home to replenish your mana, repeat, and you'll find the "walking home" part to be a terrible waste of your valuable time. I find the forcestaff to be a core item, but this is where you can start to build more or less any utility items and still be right.

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You can build any of those cheap items (the pipe is a little more expensive) if needed. As I always start with a gauntlet, I'll always make either a drum or an urn, sometime before the force staff. Basically if you managed to save 1k gold quickly, go with the force staff, if you struggle, start with either (or both) the urn or the drums.

- Luxuries :

[image loading] Necronomicon is an excellent item for Rhasta. If you want to solo gank, if you're facing invisible enemies, necrobook is what you want . Hex your enemy, summon your 2 little friends, right click him, shackle him (mana burn him during the channeling time !), zap him, and he'll be dead unless you're in late game, in which case you want to ward trap him while he's hexed. Basically a necrobook allows you to solo gank without using your ultimate. If you went for a medallion, consider Necronomicon as a next item as the minus armor has very good synergy with your 2 minions. It also helps you push even harder, even without any creep as your wards will kill the tower long before the tower will have killed your necro units.

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Another disable, some much needed movement speed and some mana/mana regeneration. Another excellent Rhasta item ! More than the obvious benefits, this item can allow you to hit a "double combo". Zap, (ward trap if solo), hex, shackle, cyclone, walk close to enemy, zap, then your hex will very soon be ready to use again. Mana is the limit, and this item provide a lot of mana.
In dota 1 EUL's Scepter was mostly used because it allowed to land a perfect ward trap while the target was in the air, this is a non factor in dota 2 as ward trapping is as easy as clicking on a hero.

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Good overall item, gives you a lot of HP and mana, the mana regen won't be useful without a good +INT item tho. That is, unless you gain a lot of charges =) If your game has a lot of teamfights, consider picking this. Rhasta is often making people angry for some reason, and you'll notice a strange "everyone is focusing me !" trend. This item will allow you to live longer, and will even make your death useful !

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Helps you stay alive, add another small nuke, a bunch of INT, good overall item. The slow can allow you to place a "double combo", aka using your first 3 spells twice without any possibility of escape for your victim. You do that by activating your Shiva at the end of the first combo.

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Good item overall, more for the stats and the raw life/mana than the added ultimate damage tho. Useful for your ultimate to stay relevant late game, and good item if you consider farming a...

[image loading] Double wards and/or double necro units, good regen, nice item overall. Don't use it just to refresh your wards tho, use a full combo then refresh it, especially useful to push t3 towers. Most of the time buy this if you went necrobook or Agha, 5300 gold is way too expensive if you only use it to refresh your ultimate every 150 seconds. With a huge 375 manacost, only consider buying this item in the very late game after at least 2 other luxury items.

Perhaps you start to see a trend here, most of these items work as a pair. If you pick a necrobook, you'll be better picking an EUL next (you can start with an EUL then pick a necro too), if you pick a bloodstone, picking a Shiva next will be the most logical choice (Shiva's high INT will make the 200% mana regen of the bloostone very useful, and the +15 armor will turn the high HP gain of the bloostone into very nice effective HP), and if you pick an Agha....you'd better pick a refresher, but not as a next item, please build something in between, unless you're already level 22+ for some reason.

- The strange case of doctor BKB :
"Hey !" you will ask, "What about a
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BKB is in some ways a "bastard" item on Rhasta. The STR is nice, the right click damage is useless, and the immunity is often a non factor. What will happen in teamfights is, you activate your BKB, you shackle someone, and their morphling/whatever still kills you in 5 seconds of right clicks. When channeling your shackle, the immediate reaction of everyone will be to right click you, BKB or not. So you have to learn who to disable, where to position yourself, and most of the time a BKB would not change the outcome, especially in pubs. Most support Rhastas in pro-games will build a BKB after their core, because they can rely on their teammates to take care of anyone who focus them during a shackle. I find this to be false in pubs, but I leave this one up to you, this is all situational. A BKB isn't a bad Rhasta item, I encourage you to test and decide by yourself.

Skill build:


I'll be brief here. If you're mid, you want to have 3211 by level 7. Most of the time you'll do QWQEQRW, aka zap, hex, zap, shackle, zap, wards, hex, this will allow you to get a kill at level 6 or 7 most of the time. Then max zap, hex and shackle in that order, taking wards each time it's available.
If you duo an offlane, you'll find that a second level of shackle will give you a lot of kills, so QEQEQRW aka zap, shackle, zap, shackle, zap, wards, hex. If your lane partner can't benefit from the shackle time (ie if he's a caster like you and not a right clicker), then replace one shackle level with a hex level, because at least you can also right click too during a hex. Max zap at level 8, then alternate 1 point between shackle and hex, taking wards each time available.

In short, zap over shackle = hex with shackle before hex. Wards at 6, 11 and 16.
Shackle is more an offensive tool and hex more of a defensive tool. Every level of both spells adds 0.75 second to the duration, so except for the first level, leveling one or the other won't extend the total disable time of your combo.

Best lane friends :


Any strong right clicker, any stunner will make a fantastic duo lane. As I mentionned before, an Ursa-Rhasta lane is incredibly frustrating to play against, as you'll die instantly if you enter shackle range. But Rhasta is also very good with Antimage (ask him to level manabreak early), Morphling, Skeleton King, Sand King...you see the trend here.

Worst enemies (in lane and beyond) :


This one is easy again, any xxx-Rhasta lane is supposed to win the lane, unless you face some disable heavy or very tanky combos. Any combination of Lion, Tidehunter, Slardar, Enigma and healers like Dazzle or Omniknight will survive your disables then make you pay hard for trying to kill them. Later in the game, any hard/semi carry will make your life miserable in team fights, especially if they have a BKB. The force staff comes in handy here. You'll have to learn who to disable first. Most of the time you'll want to hex a support (so your allies kill him quickly), zap somewhere it'll hit a lot of people, ward trap a poor soul who can't blink, then shackle their right click carry.
Pugna deserves a special mention, a level 4 neither ward will often instagib a Rhasta using his full combo.

Gameplay and tricks :


The core of your gameplay is this : find a lone farming hero, jump on him, zap him, cancel the backswing animation (important !), hex him, cancel the backswing animation (still important !), autoattack him once or twice while he's hexed (cancel the backswing animation !) depending on hex's level, then ward trap him, autoattack once or twice again, then shackle him. He should be dead, if not your zap will be off cooldown to finish him. Note how I heavily insist on animation cancelling; those few added autoattacks are often the difference between a kill and a close escape.

- In games when you're the solo mid, you'll use this combo as soon as you'll hit level 6 or 7 against your mid opponent, trying to ward trap him near his tower so you can destroy the tower after you killed him. Then you either keep farming or go help your side lanes, doing the same there, except you won't have to use your wards to kill people as you won't be alone, so you'll be able to use them to kill the tower.

- In team fights, you'll quickly notice you act as a magnet. This is because you're extremely annoying to play against and very easy to burst at the same time. If a team fight happen, hex, zap and ward trap someone then try to blink/forcestaff away as soon as possible so your opponents will focus someone else, then come back to do your thing. People who started to kill someone tend to ignore everything as long as their target is alive, which will give you some precious seconds to launch your spells. Use your judgement, if you can get away with shackling someone do it !

- If you duo/trio a side lane, try to kill people as soon as you'll hit level 3, at such a low level one zap then one shackle + your lane partner's spells and right clicks are enough to eat the small HP pool of most heroes. Don't forget to harass them a little in preparation when they try to last hit. In most 2vs2 lineups, you'll be the aggressors and you should be the ones to seek for kills.

- Farming ancients :
When playing a long duo lane (never long lane solo with Rhasta, you're too slow and you'll just die repetitively), or when playing a difficult game you can pull and stack your ancients camps and kill them with your wards. Pull at least 2 times, then place your wards when pulling the 3rd time. You don't want to place your wards in front of the ancient camp or they'll just attack and destroy them. Place your wards near the place where the ancients stop following you when you pull them, which is near the stairs South of the Radiant camp and North of the Dire camp. Then just hit and run the ancients, they'll follow you and ignore the wards as long as you're here to draw their aggro.

See the spoiler for an approximation of where to place your wards :
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Nice cosmetics :

Chicken weapon !


Thanks for reading my guide, if you note any errors please notify me !
andaylin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States10830 Posts
September 15 2012 07:56 GMT
#369
On September 15 2012 16:54 Hall0wed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2012 16:52 andaylin wrote:
On September 15 2012 16:51 Hall0wed wrote:
On September 15 2012 16:44 Fusilero wrote:
On September 15 2012 16:43 andaylin wrote:
On September 15 2012 16:43 Kiyo. wrote:
Lings are going to get into his base. His zealot died I think as the game paused. I wonder if his problem prevented him from stopping that. If so, that'd be a good reason for a regame.

wtf regame is a bit drastic lol.

Oh so NOW the prime fans think regames are bad.


rofl owned

rofl, not.


lol he got you good man, just take it.

Hmm I wish Jjakji would get a chance to do work today but I want Fnatic to win, rough life.

No he didn't cause it was different situations.
"Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard." - Kevin Durant
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37023 Posts
September 15 2012 07:56 GMT
#370
That was the worst DT harass ever...
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
September 15 2012 07:57 GMT
#371
On September 15 2012 16:55 Dodgin wrote:
bisu vs effort is legendary yo, most kespa players can't say they already played a legendary sc2 game ;o take that

Do you want to know someone else who played a legendary game? TheBest.
Glorious SEA doto
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
September 15 2012 07:57 GMT
#372
Ah Tassadar, never change.
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
Pwnzer
Profile Joined June 2011
United States617 Posts
September 15 2012 07:57 GMT
#373
On September 15 2012 16:56 SeeKeR wrote:
That was the worst DT harass ever...


You've obviously never seen my DT harass then.
Herp Derp
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
September 15 2012 07:57 GMT
#374
On September 15 2012 16:57 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2012 16:55 Dodgin wrote:
bisu vs effort is legendary yo, most kespa players can't say they already played a legendary sc2 game ;o take that

Do you want to know someone else who played a legendary game? TheBest.


bisu won, thebest lost.
Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
September 15 2012 07:57 GMT
#375
On September 15 2012 16:56 andaylin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2012 16:54 Hall0wed wrote:
On September 15 2012 16:52 andaylin wrote:
On September 15 2012 16:51 Hall0wed wrote:
On September 15 2012 16:44 Fusilero wrote:
On September 15 2012 16:43 andaylin wrote:
On September 15 2012 16:43 Kiyo. wrote:
Lings are going to get into his base. His zealot died I think as the game paused. I wonder if his problem prevented him from stopping that. If so, that'd be a good reason for a regame.

wtf regame is a bit drastic lol.

Oh so NOW the prime fans think regames are bad.


rofl owned

rofl, not.


lol he got you good man, just take it.

Hmm I wish Jjakji would get a chance to do work today but I want Fnatic to win, rough life.

No he didn't cause it was different situations.


Honestly I wasn't even watching but your reaction to my post was funny so I still think he got you.
♦ My Life for BESTie ♦ 류세라 = 배 ♦
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
September 15 2012 07:57 GMT
#376
On September 15 2012 16:57 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2012 16:57 Fusilero wrote:
On September 15 2012 16:55 Dodgin wrote:
bisu vs effort is legendary yo, most kespa players can't say they already played a legendary sc2 game ;o take that

Do you want to know someone else who played a legendary game? TheBest.


bisu won, thebest lost.

He won vs min hue hue hue.
Glorious SEA doto
NuclearJudas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
6546 Posts
September 15 2012 07:58 GMT
#377
On September 15 2012 16:56 SeeKeR wrote:
That was the worst DT harass ever...

Inca would be proud
Life is like Tetris. Your errors pile up but your accomplishments disappear. - Robert Ohlén | http://railroaddiary.wordpress.com/ - My words about stuff.
andaylin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States10830 Posts
September 15 2012 07:58 GMT
#378
On September 15 2012 16:57 Hall0wed wrote:
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On September 15 2012 16:56 andaylin wrote:
On September 15 2012 16:54 Hall0wed wrote:
On September 15 2012 16:52 andaylin wrote:
On September 15 2012 16:51 Hall0wed wrote:
On September 15 2012 16:44 Fusilero wrote:
On September 15 2012 16:43 andaylin wrote:
On September 15 2012 16:43 Kiyo. wrote:
Lings are going to get into his base. His zealot died I think as the game paused. I wonder if his problem prevented him from stopping that. If so, that'd be a good reason for a regame.

wtf regame is a bit drastic lol.

Oh so NOW the prime fans think regames are bad.


rofl owned

rofl, not.


lol he got you good man, just take it.

Hmm I wish Jjakji would get a chance to do work today but I want Fnatic to win, rough life.

No he didn't cause it was different situations.


Honestly I wasn't even watching but your reaction to my post was funny so I still think he got you.

Well he never responded to me so idc.
"Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard." - Kevin Durant
Soyuz
Profile Joined July 2011
Hong Kong996 Posts
September 15 2012 07:59 GMT
#379
On September 15 2012 16:58 NuclearJudas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2012 16:56 SeeKeR wrote:
That was the worst DT harass ever...

Inca would be proud


Actually sad to see Inca go since he was actually starting to play some good games. Especially given the context, because people kept on expecting him to go DTs and sometimes he didn't.
WigglingSquid
Profile Joined August 2011
5194 Posts
September 15 2012 07:59 GMT
#380
I suppose it's time for jjakji. ;\
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