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Ludwigvan
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany2371 Posts
September 15 2012 19:24 GMT
#3721
On September 16 2012 04:22 mandigal wrote:
I wonder if Grubby actually knew that this were the last zerg structures or if it happened by accident?

I think, he knew. He built the 2 hatches right when his hacth on the right died. He then forgot to take the Drones up the ramp and build there. Or maybe hide a hatch somewhere on the map. But overall, yes. Moving spores wouldve been better.
Vaftrudner
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden1185 Posts
September 15 2012 19:24 GMT
#3722
Not sure who to cheer for in SortOf vs Lowely. SortOf is Swedish so I guess I should root for him, but his playstyle is so boring. Lowely is a ton of fun and has impressed me a lot this tournament, so I hope he can take it! He has some good ZvZ too, except in that Stephano game where he choked.
"Starcraft 2 was designed to have a best race. You play the worst one." - Day9
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18712 Posts
September 15 2012 19:24 GMT
#3723
On September 16 2012 04:22 Porcelina wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2012 04:20 BoReDWiTHLiFe wrote:
90% sure that walking spores and walking spines don't actually count as buildings (you need at least an extractor or a hatchery to remain in the game). Grubby just had units walking everywhere and Ret couldn't build a hatchery right under his army to protect it.


They do count. We had the same exact situation happen between MC and Curious in GSL Code S, Curious won with Spines walking around with his army.



Wtf? Really? Now this is imbalanced....
Leru
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Romania257 Posts
September 15 2012 19:25 GMT
#3724
On September 16 2012 04:22 Finrod1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2012 04:22 Shinobi1982 wrote:
On September 16 2012 04:18 ELA wrote:
[image loading]

haha .. not like this..


so true.


I guess that Grubby must be the chosen one then . I wonder how they will stop Nerchio ? Maybe he steps on his glasses ? :D
Less e$ports, more fun
tenacity
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
1587 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-15 19:25:21
September 15 2012 19:25 GMT
#3725
i am having so much fun watching this tournament
It does not need to be fun to be fun.
zev318
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada4306 Posts
September 15 2012 19:25 GMT
#3726
On September 16 2012 04:23 Asymmetric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2012 04:21 zev318 wrote:
On September 16 2012 04:21 spudde123 wrote:
I don't understand why that is seen as such a bad blunder by Ret. Grubby had the entire map, and he cleared all the corners of the map pretty much so there was no way Ret had any drones there. The only drones Ret had were with his army and he had no creep at all to build any other buildings than try to build a hatch to the closest place where there is room for the hatch which was at the 3rd of Grubby at that moment of time. Maybe you could argue that he should have put down a hatch in Grubby's main below his army when he destroyed Grubby's buildings there to make space, but he had nowhere else to put them really.


maybe build like 8 hatcheries imo, he couldnt use those drone for anything else useful


Your meant to march spore crawlers with your broodlord army in those situations. They don't lose health off creep and are scoring.

See Curious vs MC GSL this season.


can u still build them with no evo chambers? they were all killed i believe
ELA
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark4608 Posts
September 15 2012 19:25 GMT
#3727
On September 16 2012 04:24 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2012 04:22 Porcelina wrote:
On September 16 2012 04:20 BoReDWiTHLiFe wrote:
90% sure that walking spores and walking spines don't actually count as buildings (you need at least an extractor or a hatchery to remain in the game). Grubby just had units walking everywhere and Ret couldn't build a hatchery right under his army to protect it.


They do count. We had the same exact situation happen between MC and Curious in GSL Code S, Curious won with Spines walking around with his army.



Wtf? Really? Now this is imbalanced....


Warcraft 3 mechanic... NE had their friggin barracks walking around with their armies as well
The first link of chain forged, the first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.
Aando
Profile Joined August 2011
1304 Posts
September 15 2012 19:25 GMT
#3728
On September 16 2012 04:23 Asymmetric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2012 04:21 zev318 wrote:
On September 16 2012 04:21 spudde123 wrote:
I don't understand why that is seen as such a bad blunder by Ret. Grubby had the entire map, and he cleared all the corners of the map pretty much so there was no way Ret had any drones there. The only drones Ret had were with his army and he had no creep at all to build any other buildings than try to build a hatch to the closest place where there is room for the hatch which was at the 3rd of Grubby at that moment of time. Maybe you could argue that he should have put down a hatch in Grubby's main below his army when he destroyed Grubby's buildings there to make space, but he had nowhere else to put them really.


maybe build like 8 hatcheries imo, he couldnt use those drone for anything else useful


Your meant to march spore crawlers with your broodlord army in those situations. They don't lose health off creep and are scoring.

See Curious vs MC GSL this season.

They dont? I've always assumed that Z just spew creep under the army to prevent them from loosing health?
simmeh
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada2511 Posts
September 15 2012 19:25 GMT
#3729
On September 16 2012 04:24 lannisport wrote:
I want Grubby to win so bad (700k twitter followers in China, WC3 history), but I also want Nerchio to win..... I'm so conflicted. At least if Grubby wins Stephy still makes it.


grubby in wcs world finals china would actually make the event that much more hype. guy is a god over there o_o
byah!
S_SienZ
Profile Joined September 2011
1878 Posts
September 15 2012 19:25 GMT
#3730
On September 16 2012 04:25 zev318 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2012 04:23 Asymmetric wrote:
On September 16 2012 04:21 zev318 wrote:
On September 16 2012 04:21 spudde123 wrote:
I don't understand why that is seen as such a bad blunder by Ret. Grubby had the entire map, and he cleared all the corners of the map pretty much so there was no way Ret had any drones there. The only drones Ret had were with his army and he had no creep at all to build any other buildings than try to build a hatch to the closest place where there is room for the hatch which was at the 3rd of Grubby at that moment of time. Maybe you could argue that he should have put down a hatch in Grubby's main below his army when he destroyed Grubby's buildings there to make space, but he had nowhere else to put them really.


maybe build like 8 hatcheries imo, he couldnt use those drone for anything else useful


Your meant to march spore crawlers with your broodlord army in those situations. They don't lose health off creep and are scoring.

See Curious vs MC GSL this season.


can u still build them with no evo chambers? they were all killed i believe

ye he couldnt make any spores or spines coz no evo no pool
spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
September 15 2012 19:25 GMT
#3731
On September 16 2012 04:21 zev318 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2012 04:21 spudde123 wrote:
I don't understand why that is seen as such a bad blunder by Ret. Grubby had the entire map, and he cleared all the corners of the map pretty much so there was no way Ret had any drones there. The only drones Ret had were with his army and he had no creep at all to build any other buildings than try to build a hatch to the closest place where there is room for the hatch which was at the 3rd of Grubby at that moment of time. Maybe you could argue that he should have put down a hatch in Grubby's main below his army when he destroyed Grubby's buildings there to make space, but he had nowhere else to put them really.


maybe build like 8 hatcheries imo, he couldnt use those drone for anything else useful


Well maybe but even multiple hatches die fast when Grubby came with his army. The only way for Ret to win that in my eyes was to have buildings directly below his army because Grubby really had the map covered and his army was in position also to prevent any drones from leaving. And even if Ret builds multiple buildings, Grubby is still mining. Ret has to hunt down Grubby to win that game, and he can't hunt Grubby and at the same time defend his buildings.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
September 15 2012 19:25 GMT
#3732
On September 16 2012 04:25 ELA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2012 04:24 sharkie wrote:
On September 16 2012 04:22 Porcelina wrote:
On September 16 2012 04:20 BoReDWiTHLiFe wrote:
90% sure that walking spores and walking spines don't actually count as buildings (you need at least an extractor or a hatchery to remain in the game). Grubby just had units walking everywhere and Ret couldn't build a hatchery right under his army to protect it.


They do count. We had the same exact situation happen between MC and Curious in GSL Code S, Curious won with Spines walking around with his army.



Wtf? Really? Now this is imbalanced....


Warcraft 3 mechanic... NE had their friggin barracks walking around with their armies as well

Creeping with ancient of war was a standard thing.
Glorious SEA doto
scypio
Profile Joined December 2011
Poland2127 Posts
September 15 2012 19:26 GMT
#3733
On September 16 2012 04:24 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2012 04:22 Porcelina wrote:
On September 16 2012 04:20 BoReDWiTHLiFe wrote:
90% sure that walking spores and walking spines don't actually count as buildings (you need at least an extractor or a hatchery to remain in the game). Grubby just had units walking everywhere and Ret couldn't build a hatchery right under his army to protect it.


They do count. We had the same exact situation happen between MC and Curious in GSL Code S, Curious won with Spines walking around with his army.



Wtf? Really? Now this is imbalanced....


Naah, terrans building can fly and toss assimilators take twice the damage (shilelds + hull), it is all fine
I play random | I like Hots | INnoVation | sOs | Tefel TOP1!
Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
September 15 2012 19:26 GMT
#3734
On September 16 2012 04:20 BoReDWiTHLiFe wrote:
90% sure that walking spores and walking spines don't actually count as buildings (you need at least an extractor or a hatchery to remain in the game). Grubby just had units walking everywhere and Ret couldn't build a hatchery right under his army to protect it.

spores and spines, rooted or not, count as buildings. I six pool every Z vs Z I play, trust me, they are counted as buildings
"Dark Pleasure" | | I survived the Locust war of May 3, 2014
Porcelina
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3249 Posts
September 15 2012 19:26 GMT
#3735
On September 16 2012 04:25 Aando wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2012 04:23 Asymmetric wrote:
On September 16 2012 04:21 zev318 wrote:
On September 16 2012 04:21 spudde123 wrote:
I don't understand why that is seen as such a bad blunder by Ret. Grubby had the entire map, and he cleared all the corners of the map pretty much so there was no way Ret had any drones there. The only drones Ret had were with his army and he had no creep at all to build any other buildings than try to build a hatch to the closest place where there is room for the hatch which was at the 3rd of Grubby at that moment of time. Maybe you could argue that he should have put down a hatch in Grubby's main below his army when he destroyed Grubby's buildings there to make space, but he had nowhere else to put them really.


maybe build like 8 hatcheries imo, he couldnt use those drone for anything else useful


Your meant to march spore crawlers with your broodlord army in those situations. They don't lose health off creep and are scoring.

See Curious vs MC GSL this season.

They dont? I've always assumed that Z just spew creep under the army to prevent them from loosing health?


Nah, they lose nothing off creep as long as they keep moving.
zev318
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada4306 Posts
September 15 2012 19:26 GMT
#3736
On September 16 2012 04:25 spudde123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2012 04:21 zev318 wrote:
On September 16 2012 04:21 spudde123 wrote:
I don't understand why that is seen as such a bad blunder by Ret. Grubby had the entire map, and he cleared all the corners of the map pretty much so there was no way Ret had any drones there. The only drones Ret had were with his army and he had no creep at all to build any other buildings than try to build a hatch to the closest place where there is room for the hatch which was at the 3rd of Grubby at that moment of time. Maybe you could argue that he should have put down a hatch in Grubby's main below his army when he destroyed Grubby's buildings there to make space, but he had nowhere else to put them really.


maybe build like 8 hatcheries imo, he couldnt use those drone for anything else useful


Well maybe but even multiple hatches die fast when Grubby came with his army. The only way for Ret to win that in my eyes was to have buildings directly below his army because Grubby really had the map covered and his army was in position also to prevent any drones from leaving. And even if Ret builds multiple buildings, Grubby is still mining. Ret has to hunt down Grubby to win that game, and he can't hunt Grubby and at the same time defend his buildings.


well the reason i said that was cause grubby's 3rd was empty, and 8 hatcheries does take quite a while to kill
TheHova
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United Kingdom2612 Posts
September 15 2012 19:26 GMT
#3737
On September 16 2012 04:22 mandigal wrote:
I wonder if Grubby actually knew that this were the last zerg structures or if it happened by accident?


If you watched the mini map grubby was spreading and looking everywhere with zealots and bits of his army to see if ret had anything anywhere. He sniped one of the hatches and once he saw that the only things ret had were the drones and that single hatch in that army, he knew he just had to kill the hatch and drones to win. Ret should have built more hatches and extractors around the army or brought spores/spines with it. Grubby knows how to base race properly and thrives under pressure/chaos. Ret doesn't.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
September 15 2012 19:26 GMT
#3738
On September 16 2012 04:25 simmeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2012 04:24 lannisport wrote:
I want Grubby to win so bad (700k twitter followers in China, WC3 history), but I also want Nerchio to win..... I'm so conflicted. At least if Grubby wins Stephy still makes it.


grubby in wcs world finals china would actually make the event that much more hype. guy is a god over there o_o

If blizzard could somehow get lyn, moon, grubby and maybe creopholus there the interest in the WCS finals would increase 100 times.
Glorious SEA doto
shepherdxoxo
Profile Joined July 2012
Netherlands260 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-15 19:27:39
September 15 2012 19:27 GMT
#3739
On September 16 2012 04:25 simmeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2012 04:24 lannisport wrote:
I want Grubby to win so bad (700k twitter followers in China, WC3 history), but I also want Nerchio to win..... I'm so conflicted. At least if Grubby wins Stephy still makes it.


grubby in wcs world finals china would actually make the event that much more hype. guy is a god over there o_o

I still remember the video where he had to climb out of a window to escape a throng of Chinese people only to be met on the outside by another legion. Awesome stuff. :D

Not to mention the police escorts he gets! :D
Rain <3
SpikeStarcraft
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany2095 Posts
September 15 2012 19:27 GMT
#3740
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Ohh ret
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