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On August 26 2012 13:03 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 12:57 D_bo wrote:On August 26 2012 12:54 StarStruck wrote:On August 26 2012 12:51 D_bo wrote:
Not baiting or anything just wanted to know if anyone else has the same impression. Every Day9 cast of Idra I've watched leaves me with a wierd feeling -- Day9 does not like him.. Because Sean pointed out he moved in too soon? All the international casters have this similarity in being blunt or calling out the play this way. It's not just Sean, ok? It's the style in which we cast, which is very different from the Koreans. No, not just this cast.. every MLG (past MLGs) cast. I think you missed my point. If you want you can do a test. From here on in count how many times a caster makes a condenscending remark about another player's play. You will find there is usually a negative spin on where they went wrong. It's very common and to say, "Oh I don't think so-and-so likes each other very much" based off that has little credibility. We're very aware that there are players out there that don't really like some of the comments made about them in some casts. This conversation has came up a few times. Dan (Artosis) wrote about it and so did a few others. Heck, there's been a lot of talk about Husky's casts and IdrA. The point I'm really trying to make here is it's the style of the International casters to do this sort of thing. What Sean said was very small and I tend to agree with him when he says IdrA rushed his ultras and lings in.
I'm not talking about a specific instance, I'm talking about the sum of Day9 casts of Idra I've watch. What I was remarking on was just the overall impression of those casts and what impression they left me with from beginning to end.
I just wanted to know if anyone else concluded the same thing.
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On August 26 2012 13:01 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 12:56 hunts wrote:
Sad Idras out, but this weekend has still been a huge step up from his previous recent results. Really hope he gets back to his old self, but it's kind of evident he won't since EG prioritizes foreign tournaments and media events, and to really be on top he would need to go back to korea for an extended period of time. Still love seeing Idra play though, always makes me sad when he loses. i am not sure korea is the answer though. Huk has been there for how long? and he looked pretty mediocre out there, whether playing against NA guys or the MLG guys. Idra looked significantly better in all the games except that last one where he quit way too early for an elimination game.
EG could use a new coach. Someone who can bring change to their work environment and philosophy.
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On August 26 2012 13:15 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 13:01 Sub40APM wrote:On August 26 2012 12:56 hunts wrote:
Sad Idras out, but this weekend has still been a huge step up from his previous recent results. Really hope he gets back to his old self, but it's kind of evident he won't since EG prioritizes foreign tournaments and media events, and to really be on top he would need to go back to korea for an extended period of time. Still love seeing Idra play though, always makes me sad when he loses. i am not sure korea is the answer though. Huk has been there for how long? and he looked pretty mediocre out there, whether playing against NA guys or the MLG guys. Idra looked significantly better in all the games except that last one where he quit way too early for an elimination game. EG could use a new coach. Someone who can bring change to their work environment and philosophy. What needs to change in your opinion, as a complete outsider that is?
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what an incredible run by idra ... nice american hype train once again
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On August 26 2012 13:09 D_bo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 13:03 StarStruck wrote:On August 26 2012 12:57 D_bo wrote:On August 26 2012 12:54 StarStruck wrote:On August 26 2012 12:51 D_bo wrote:
Not baiting or anything just wanted to know if anyone else has the same impression. Every Day9 cast of Idra I've watched leaves me with a wierd feeling -- Day9 does not like him.. Because Sean pointed out he moved in too soon? All the international casters have this similarity in being blunt or calling out the play this way. It's not just Sean, ok? It's the style in which we cast, which is very different from the Koreans. No, not just this cast.. every MLG (past MLGs) cast. I think you missed my point. If you want you can do a test. From here on in count how many times a caster makes a condenscending remark about another player's play. You will find there is usually a negative spin on where they went wrong. It's very common and to say, "Oh I don't think so-and-so likes each other very much" based off that has little credibility. We're very aware that there are players out there that don't really like some of the comments made about them in some casts. This conversation has came up a few times. Dan (Artosis) wrote about it and so did a few others. Heck, there's been a lot of talk about Husky's casts and IdrA. The point I'm really trying to make here is it's the style of the International casters to do this sort of thing. What Sean said was very small and I tend to agree with him when he says IdrA rushed his ultras and lings in. I'm not talking about a specific instance, I'm talking about the sum of Day9 casts of Idra I've watch. What I was remarking on was just the overall impression of those casts and what impression they left me with from beginning to end. I just wanted to know if anyone else concluded the same thing.
I got that from before, I'm merry pointing out an example which I believe was your breaking point of making what I'd coin a lame comment.
What I'm asking you to do is make a chart for every caster you watch down the y axis. On the x axis you keep score of all sorts of things like, plugging products, plugging themselves, jokes, catchphrases or terms! (in Sean's case, "blunder", etc.), negative comments about a players play, etc.
I think you get the idea. I hope you'll realize the casters don't necessarily do this by cruel intention. I think it has more to do with the way we express ourselves as people. Even the Koreans make snide remarks about what the player are doing sometimes, but the language the international base uses is definitely heightened. Now I don't know that many languages so perhaps I'm wrong about the guys who cast in German or Finnish, etc. From what I do know, there is definitely a gap between the Korean style and I guess I'll call it the American style of casting. In the American style we tend to be way more blunt. We like to address the no-no's way more.
Sean also way more animated when casting. I've known the guy for years and hell I remember the first cast he did about Combat-Ex versus Chill.
Everyone loved it, which is great. To be honest, I absolutely hated it because it was way over the top even for him. You could just sense all the weird faces he was making. I liked the bear semen line though.
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United States97276 Posts
Caliber 2-1 qxc to face Ryung next round!
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Day9 and djwheat are fucking good to buy time.
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There are 8 Zerg left, 8 Protoss left and 8 Terran left....
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On August 26 2012 13:21 yawnoC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 13:15 StarStruck wrote:On August 26 2012 13:01 Sub40APM wrote:On August 26 2012 12:56 hunts wrote:
Sad Idras out, but this weekend has still been a huge step up from his previous recent results. Really hope he gets back to his old self, but it's kind of evident he won't since EG prioritizes foreign tournaments and media events, and to really be on top he would need to go back to korea for an extended period of time. Still love seeing Idra play though, always makes me sad when he loses. i am not sure korea is the answer though. Huk has been there for how long? and he looked pretty mediocre out there, whether playing against NA guys or the MLG guys. Idra looked significantly better in all the games except that last one where he quit way too early for an elimination game. EG could use a new coach. Someone who can bring change to their work environment and philosophy. What needs to change in your opinion, as a complete outsider that is?
From what I've seen? Dude, it's not like they hide everything. The EG guys get more exposure compared to everyone else and all the signs are there.
You look at this roster on paper. You look at their recent results and you tell me these guys aren't under-performing.
Greg was in Korea for over two years in a KeSPA house, which he didn't really like.
He doesn't feel like he needs to train like that anymore because it isn't beneficial to him anymore.
Give me a break.
I'm well-read on these guys.
Having a good coach and a good system in place would serve these boys well.
Get rid of the doing shit on your own.
This isn't only true to SC2 either man. This goes for any sport. If your team isn't doing so hot you bring someone new in.
The Canadian Women's soccer team was doing absolutely horrible before John Herdman came along and instilled newfound confidence in the team.
Nothing ground breaking.
The EG core needs a mix-up.
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On August 26 2012 13:01 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 12:56 hunts wrote:
Sad Idras out, but this weekend has still been a huge step up from his previous recent results. Really hope he gets back to his old self, but it's kind of evident he won't since EG prioritizes foreign tournaments and media events, and to really be on top he would need to go back to korea for an extended period of time. Still love seeing Idra play though, always makes me sad when he loses. i am not sure korea is the answer though. Huk has been there for how long? and he looked pretty mediocre out there, whether playing against NA guys or the MLG guys. Idra looked significantly better in all the games except that last one where he quit way too early for an elimination game.
Is Huk in Korea right now? Because in his matches his mechanics is a lot worse than when he was regularly streaming in Korea. It could be nerves but if it isn't, it deteriorated a lot. As for Idra, maybe slight improvements but nowhere near the improvements that the European Zergs has made. Considering that during his "slump", Idra was facing tougher opponents than now, it could be that he just stagnated. His muta/bling style. vs Terran seems outdated or maybe because he used older strategies on older maps. In PvZ, it seems that the Euro zerg almost always have the same timing on when to transition to Broodlord, when to sunken up etc etc. Idra's transition timing is completely different.
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On August 26 2012 13:32 kheldorin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 13:01 Sub40APM wrote:On August 26 2012 12:56 hunts wrote:
Sad Idras out, but this weekend has still been a huge step up from his previous recent results. Really hope he gets back to his old self, but it's kind of evident he won't since EG prioritizes foreign tournaments and media events, and to really be on top he would need to go back to korea for an extended period of time. Still love seeing Idra play though, always makes me sad when he loses. i am not sure korea is the answer though. Huk has been there for how long? and he looked pretty mediocre out there, whether playing against NA guys or the MLG guys. Idra looked significantly better in all the games except that last one where he quit way too early for an elimination game. Is Huk in Korea right now? Because in his matches his mechanics is a lot worse than when he was regularly streaming in Korea. It could be nerves but if it isn't, it deteriorated a lot. As for Idra, maybe slight improvements but nowhere near the improvements that the European Zergs has made. Considering that during his "slump", Idra was facing tougher opponents than now, it could be that he just stagnated. His muta/bling style. vs Terran seems outdated or maybe because he used older strategies on older maps. In PvZ, it seems that the Euro zerg almost always have the same timing on when to transition to Broodlord, when to sunken up etc etc. Idra's transition timing is completely different.
For me, the biggest problem HuK faces at the moment is that he's thinking way too much about his game. Just look at his unit movement and his engagements around the map.
It's a common problem many players have, especially when their confidence has been tampered.
The actions we make have to be more impulsive. It's the same in any other sport. We don't really have the time to think and hesitation is what gets us into trouble. That's why we train ourselves that way physically and mentally.
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On August 26 2012 13:31 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 13:21 yawnoC wrote:On August 26 2012 13:15 StarStruck wrote:On August 26 2012 13:01 Sub40APM wrote:On August 26 2012 12:56 hunts wrote:
Sad Idras out, but this weekend has still been a huge step up from his previous recent results. Really hope he gets back to his old self, but it's kind of evident he won't since EG prioritizes foreign tournaments and media events, and to really be on top he would need to go back to korea for an extended period of time. Still love seeing Idra play though, always makes me sad when he loses. i am not sure korea is the answer though. Huk has been there for how long? and he looked pretty mediocre out there, whether playing against NA guys or the MLG guys. Idra looked significantly better in all the games except that last one where he quit way too early for an elimination game. EG could use a new coach. Someone who can bring change to their work environment and philosophy. What needs to change in your opinion, as a complete outsider that is? From what I've seen? Dude, it's not like they hide everything. The EG guys get more exposure compared to everyone else and all the signs are there. You look at this roster on paper. You look at their recent results and you tell me these guys aren't under-performing. Greg was in Korea for over two years in a KeSPA house, which he didn't really like. He doesn't feel like he needs to train like that anymore because it isn't beneficial to him anymore. Give me a break. I'm well-read on these guys. Having a good coach and a good system in place would serve these boys well. Get rid of the doing shit on your own. This isn't only true to SC2 either man. This goes for any sport. If your team isn't doing so hot you bring someone new in. The Canadian Women's soccer team was doing absolutely horrible before John Herdman came along and instilled newfound confidence in the team. Nothing ground breaking. The EG core needs a mix-up. I just asked a question. Why so offended?
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On August 26 2012 14:00 yawnoC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 13:31 StarStruck wrote:On August 26 2012 13:21 yawnoC wrote:On August 26 2012 13:15 StarStruck wrote:On August 26 2012 13:01 Sub40APM wrote:On August 26 2012 12:56 hunts wrote:
Sad Idras out, but this weekend has still been a huge step up from his previous recent results. Really hope he gets back to his old self, but it's kind of evident he won't since EG prioritizes foreign tournaments and media events, and to really be on top he would need to go back to korea for an extended period of time. Still love seeing Idra play though, always makes me sad when he loses. i am not sure korea is the answer though. Huk has been there for how long? and he looked pretty mediocre out there, whether playing against NA guys or the MLG guys. Idra looked significantly better in all the games except that last one where he quit way too early for an elimination game. EG could use a new coach. Someone who can bring change to their work environment and philosophy. What needs to change in your opinion, as a complete outsider that is? From what I've seen? Dude, it's not like they hide everything. The EG guys get more exposure compared to everyone else and all the signs are there. You look at this roster on paper. You look at their recent results and you tell me these guys aren't under-performing. Greg was in Korea for over two years in a KeSPA house, which he didn't really like. He doesn't feel like he needs to train like that anymore because it isn't beneficial to him anymore. Give me a break. I'm well-read on these guys. Having a good coach and a good system in place would serve these boys well. Get rid of the doing shit on your own. This isn't only true to SC2 either man. This goes for any sport. If your team isn't doing so hot you bring someone new in. The Canadian Women's soccer team was doing absolutely horrible before John Herdman came along and instilled newfound confidence in the team. Nothing ground breaking. The EG core needs a mix-up. I just asked a question. Why so offended?
The EG team is like an open book compared to many of the other teams. We have all sorts of resources to look at. Not just their results.
Plus, it also helps when you've known the guys for a pretty long time, so I don't really get the outsider part you speak of.
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overall recommended series for today anyone??
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On August 26 2012 14:04 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 14:00 yawnoC wrote:On August 26 2012 13:31 StarStruck wrote:On August 26 2012 13:21 yawnoC wrote:On August 26 2012 13:15 StarStruck wrote:On August 26 2012 13:01 Sub40APM wrote:On August 26 2012 12:56 hunts wrote:
Sad Idras out, but this weekend has still been a huge step up from his previous recent results. Really hope he gets back to his old self, but it's kind of evident he won't since EG prioritizes foreign tournaments and media events, and to really be on top he would need to go back to korea for an extended period of time. Still love seeing Idra play though, always makes me sad when he loses. i am not sure korea is the answer though. Huk has been there for how long? and he looked pretty mediocre out there, whether playing against NA guys or the MLG guys. Idra looked significantly better in all the games except that last one where he quit way too early for an elimination game. EG could use a new coach. Someone who can bring change to their work environment and philosophy. What needs to change in your opinion, as a complete outsider that is? From what I've seen? Dude, it's not like they hide everything. The EG guys get more exposure compared to everyone else and all the signs are there. You look at this roster on paper. You look at their recent results and you tell me these guys aren't under-performing. Greg was in Korea for over two years in a KeSPA house, which he didn't really like. He doesn't feel like he needs to train like that anymore because it isn't beneficial to him anymore. Give me a break. I'm well-read on these guys. Having a good coach and a good system in place would serve these boys well. Get rid of the doing shit on your own. This isn't only true to SC2 either man. This goes for any sport. If your team isn't doing so hot you bring someone new in. The Canadian Women's soccer team was doing absolutely horrible before John Herdman came along and instilled newfound confidence in the team. Nothing ground breaking. The EG core needs a mix-up. I just asked a question. Why so offended? The EG team is like an open book compared to many of the other teams. We have all sorts of resources to look at. Not just their results. Plus, it also helps when you've known the guys for a pretty long time, so I don't really get the outsider part you speak of. Because you are an outsider ... hence the outsider part ... but whatever leaving now byebye
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On August 26 2012 14:13 Chessz wrote:
overall recommended series for today anyone??
Stephano vs Heart, Stephano vs Rain, Stephano vs TheSTC. wait no one actually saw those.
But Hero vs Crank was very good
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On August 26 2012 14:16 yawnoC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 14:04 StarStruck wrote:On August 26 2012 14:00 yawnoC wrote:On August 26 2012 13:31 StarStruck wrote:On August 26 2012 13:21 yawnoC wrote:On August 26 2012 13:15 StarStruck wrote:On August 26 2012 13:01 Sub40APM wrote:On August 26 2012 12:56 hunts wrote:
Sad Idras out, but this weekend has still been a huge step up from his previous recent results. Really hope he gets back to his old self, but it's kind of evident he won't since EG prioritizes foreign tournaments and media events, and to really be on top he would need to go back to korea for an extended period of time. Still love seeing Idra play though, always makes me sad when he loses. i am not sure korea is the answer though. Huk has been there for how long? and he looked pretty mediocre out there, whether playing against NA guys or the MLG guys. Idra looked significantly better in all the games except that last one where he quit way too early for an elimination game. EG could use a new coach. Someone who can bring change to their work environment and philosophy. What needs to change in your opinion, as a complete outsider that is? From what I've seen? Dude, it's not like they hide everything. The EG guys get more exposure compared to everyone else and all the signs are there. You look at this roster on paper. You look at their recent results and you tell me these guys aren't under-performing. Greg was in Korea for over two years in a KeSPA house, which he didn't really like. He doesn't feel like he needs to train like that anymore because it isn't beneficial to him anymore. Give me a break. I'm well-read on these guys. Having a good coach and a good system in place would serve these boys well. Get rid of the doing shit on your own. This isn't only true to SC2 either man. This goes for any sport. If your team isn't doing so hot you bring someone new in. The Canadian Women's soccer team was doing absolutely horrible before John Herdman came along and instilled newfound confidence in the team. Nothing ground breaking. The EG core needs a mix-up. I just asked a question. Why so offended? The EG team is like an open book compared to many of the other teams. We have all sorts of resources to look at. Not just their results. Plus, it also helps when you've known the guys for a pretty long time, so I don't really get the outsider part you speak of. Because you are an outsider ... hence the outsider part ... but whatever leaving now byebye
Whatever you say chief. Yes, I don't live in the house or train with them atm. I can only talk from what I observe and I'm fairly observant. That and I've been around the scene long enough to know these guys peaks and valleys and what they've been up to. There is not one team that has more content produced. Well, I guess you could make an argument for Team Liquid as well.
Anyway, I don't get why you are in such a tizzy about me saying a new coach would help such a team. Ask the players yourself. Do you feel your underperforming? I bet you they would say yes in a heartbeat.
From what I've seen these guys could definitely play a lot better.
Shake-ups are a good thing for any team in a runt.
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On August 26 2012 14:25 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 14:16 yawnoC wrote:On August 26 2012 14:04 StarStruck wrote:On August 26 2012 14:00 yawnoC wrote:On August 26 2012 13:31 StarStruck wrote:On August 26 2012 13:21 yawnoC wrote:On August 26 2012 13:15 StarStruck wrote:On August 26 2012 13:01 Sub40APM wrote:On August 26 2012 12:56 hunts wrote:
Sad Idras out, but this weekend has still been a huge step up from his previous recent results. Really hope he gets back to his old self, but it's kind of evident he won't since EG prioritizes foreign tournaments and media events, and to really be on top he would need to go back to korea for an extended period of time. Still love seeing Idra play though, always makes me sad when he loses. i am not sure korea is the answer though. Huk has been there for how long? and he looked pretty mediocre out there, whether playing against NA guys or the MLG guys. Idra looked significantly better in all the games except that last one where he quit way too early for an elimination game. EG could use a new coach. Someone who can bring change to their work environment and philosophy. What needs to change in your opinion, as a complete outsider that is? From what I've seen? Dude, it's not like they hide everything. The EG guys get more exposure compared to everyone else and all the signs are there. You look at this roster on paper. You look at their recent results and you tell me these guys aren't under-performing. Greg was in Korea for over two years in a KeSPA house, which he didn't really like. He doesn't feel like he needs to train like that anymore because it isn't beneficial to him anymore. Give me a break. I'm well-read on these guys. Having a good coach and a good system in place would serve these boys well. Get rid of the doing shit on your own. This isn't only true to SC2 either man. This goes for any sport. If your team isn't doing so hot you bring someone new in. The Canadian Women's soccer team was doing absolutely horrible before John Herdman came along and instilled newfound confidence in the team. Nothing ground breaking. The EG core needs a mix-up. I just asked a question. Why so offended? The EG team is like an open book compared to many of the other teams. We have all sorts of resources to look at. Not just their results. Plus, it also helps when you've known the guys for a pretty long time, so I don't really get the outsider part you speak of. Because you are an outsider ... hence the outsider part ... but whatever leaving now byebye Whatever you say chief. Yes, I don't live in the house or train with them atm. I can only talk from what I observe and I'm fairly observant. That and I've been around the scene long enough to know these guys peaks and valleys and what they've been up to. There is not one team that has more content produced. Well, I guess you could make an argument for Team Liquid as well. Anyway, I don't get why you are in such a tizzy about me saying a new coach would help such a team. Ask the players yourself. Do you feel your underperforming? I bet you they would say yes in a heartbeat. From what I've seen these guys could definitely play a lot better. Shake-ups are a good thing for any team in a runt.
I agree with you, and I've thought the same thing for a VERY long time about this issue as well. But I have one question: who is a credible enough coach that would be capable of actually improving this team?
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On August 26 2012 13:30 ContrailNZ wrote:
There are 8 Zerg left, 8 Protoss left and 8 Terran left....
Lol. You should go and work in PR!
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