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On August 08 2012 20:38 silent_owl wrote: That was great multi-tasking. Man, when the Kespa players get a hang on their game sense.
Imagine a bunch more people playing like Gumiho what with three drops at the same time.
Ahem, MMA. His TvZ is a thing of beauty.
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On August 08 2012 20:39 bittman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 20:36 ToyOmnibus wrote: I love how everyone forgets the GSL finals. This win would be soooooooooooo much more impressive if it was not PvP. Sun beat Ace in PvP too. Winning in PvP is never unexpected. There does not exist a player that looks "good" at PvP since there's only interesting openings and then collosus. Composition and decision making don't matter past a point unfortunately. Not that it really hit that point for hero. He did look good.
squirtles pretty good at pvp, MC and oz was great at pvp until they said pvp was about skill.
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On August 08 2012 20:37 Heavenlee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 20:35 FataLe wrote:On August 08 2012 20:30 Heavenlee wrote:On August 08 2012 20:29 FataLe wrote:On August 08 2012 20:28 Heavenlee wrote:On August 08 2012 20:27 Wildmoon wrote: Could any Protoss player here tell me what is the save BO to play in PvP if there is one? 1 gate robo + 2 gates I guess? Ya that's safe if you want to lose to 4 gate. I've never lost to four gate doing it lol. You chrono out sentries + warp gate research and can permanently forcefield your ramp. 4 Gate player pressures with first warp in and then expands. He's so far ahead. Not really. You can expand yourself and will have more workers, at best it'll be even. You can also spread them thin with warp prism harass while taking your own nexus or choosing to all-in, you can sentry forcefield their ramp with a warp prism, so on.
Yeah, and plus you have a massive tech advantage, this was like the original 4gate counter, not sure what this guy is talking about.
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On August 08 2012 20:38 FataLe wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 20:37 Heavenlee wrote:On August 08 2012 20:35 FataLe wrote:On August 08 2012 20:30 Heavenlee wrote:On August 08 2012 20:29 FataLe wrote:On August 08 2012 20:28 Heavenlee wrote:On August 08 2012 20:27 Wildmoon wrote: Could any Protoss player here tell me what is the save BO to play in PvP if there is one? 1 gate robo + 2 gates I guess? Ya that's safe if you want to lose to 4 gate. I've never lost to four gate doing it lol. You chrono out sentries + warp gate research and can permanently forcefield your ramp. 4 Gate player pressures with first warp in and then expands. He's so far ahead. Not really. You can expand yourself and will have more workers, at best it'll be even. You can also spread them thin with warp prism harass while taking your own nexus or choosing to all-in, you can sentry forcefield their ramp with a warp prism, so on. you can't expo lol. not anytime soon anyway, i see you expo i cancel mine and kill you. you invested so much into sentries you won't have anything substantial to defend a natural if you decide to counter expo.
lol we can play out a game of it tomorrow if you wish, though you may be a better player than me so it may not mean much. An aggressive four gate peters out fast, three gate robo is far more stable and you can fairly easily take your expo. Sentries and immortals are quite good versus just pure gateway units, it's also map dependent on how hard it is to defend your ramp. On maps like Shakuras you can easily cut armies into segments as they try to brute force their way up.
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It's funny that if one gsl player win and the one after them will feel the pressure to not lose to Kespa player. lol
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On August 08 2012 20:30 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 20:30 silent_owl wrote:On August 08 2012 20:27 Fragile51 wrote:On August 08 2012 20:26 NightOfTheDead wrote: Really Khaldor? Def loss is for sure better way than letting viewers get another match... not. Like player is responsible that his keyboard malfunctioned. Players are actually responsible for getting their equipment in working order. I don't see how that's weird. I agree. I remember when Losira's keyboard broke down during one of the older MLG's. He crushed InControl with just mouse APM. Pretty sure that was a myth. He borrowed a keyboard from someone else. Yes he did borrow a keyboard, but that was the map after. When his keyboard broke down during the game he finished it off with only the mouse. The same thing happened during Flash - Stork when Flash got the same problem as LosirA so he killed Stork with that 3 rax all-in with only the mouse basically. ^^
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I could see hero taking this map as well. I dont really remember Puzzle having great PvP and the matchup is very basic.
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If it was Hero vs Hero, they should just call them liquid and CJ Entus.
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On August 08 2012 20:38 MegaFonzie wrote: I don't really understand Puzzle's decision to go into immortal drops after knowing hi opponent already had blink and a ton of stalkers. That wasn't really what cost him the game, but a curious decision none the less
Mirror builds happened a lot in BW. I thought that unpowering of the robotics bay was huge.
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First Kespa player win in the Ro32, nice.
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On August 08 2012 20:40 DrakeFZX3 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 20:38 silent_owl wrote: That was great multi-tasking. Man, when the Kespa players get a hang on their game sense.
Imagine a bunch more people playing like Gumiho what with three drops at the same time. Ahem, MMA. His TvZ used to be a thing of beauty. Fixed it for you
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On August 08 2012 20:40 Gosi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 20:30 Medrea wrote:On August 08 2012 20:30 silent_owl wrote:On August 08 2012 20:27 Fragile51 wrote:On August 08 2012 20:26 NightOfTheDead wrote: Really Khaldor? Def loss is for sure better way than letting viewers get another match... not. Like player is responsible that his keyboard malfunctioned. Players are actually responsible for getting their equipment in working order. I don't see how that's weird. I agree. I remember when Losira's keyboard broke down during one of the older MLG's. He crushed InControl with just mouse APM. Pretty sure that was a myth. He borrowed a keyboard from someone else. Yes he did borrow a keyboard, but that was the map after. When his keyboard broke down during the game he finished it off with only the mouse. The same thing happened during Flash - Stork when Flash got the same problem as LosirA so he killed Stork with that 3 rax all-in with only the mouse basically. ^^
Oh ok.
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On August 08 2012 20:41 Medrea wrote: I could see hero taking this map as well. I dont really remember Puzzle having great PvP and the matchup is very basic.
Stats wise it's his weakest MU, but it's still at a solid 57%.
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On August 08 2012 20:36 Whisperkill wrote: What's fun is that hero[join] is zerg in BW, so he doesn't even reaver micro usually.
he's protoss, the zerg hero is from kespa t8. edit: actualy he is zerg, was mistaken, my bad
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Both players skipping zealots.
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On August 08 2012 20:40 X3GoldDot wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 20:39 bittman wrote:On August 08 2012 20:36 ToyOmnibus wrote: I love how everyone forgets the GSL finals. This win would be soooooooooooo much more impressive if it was not PvP. Sun beat Ace in PvP too. Winning in PvP is never unexpected. There does not exist a player that looks "good" at PvP since there's only interesting openings and then collosus. Composition and decision making don't matter past a point unfortunately. Not that it really hit that point for hero. He did look good. squirtles pretty good at pvp, MC and oz was great at pvp until they said pvp was about skill.
Well think of it this way. When MC loses a PvZ, then people go "oh wow, who is this sexy zerg player?"
When MC loses PvP, people shrug.
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On August 08 2012 20:40 DrakeFZX3 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 20:38 silent_owl wrote: That was great multi-tasking. Man, when the Kespa players get a hang on their game sense.
Imagine a bunch more people playing like Gumiho what with three drops at the same time. Ahem, MMA. His TvZ is a thing of beauty.
If only Bisu played terran T_T
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On August 08 2012 20:41 Fragile51 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 20:41 Medrea wrote: I could see hero taking this map as well. I dont really remember Puzzle having great PvP and the matchup is very basic. Stats wise it's his weakest MU, but it's still at a solid 57%.
Thats bad enough where it wouldnt be an enormous upset if he lost this.
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On August 08 2012 20:41 NeWeNiyaLord wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 20:40 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On August 08 2012 20:38 silent_owl wrote: That was great multi-tasking. Man, when the Kespa players get a hang on their game sense.
Imagine a bunch more people playing like Gumiho what with three drops at the same time. Ahem, MMA. His TvZ used to be a thing of beauty. Fixed it for you
Well, he did played really good serie against Violet recently.
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On August 08 2012 20:38 FataLe wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 20:37 Heavenlee wrote:On August 08 2012 20:35 FataLe wrote:On August 08 2012 20:30 Heavenlee wrote:On August 08 2012 20:29 FataLe wrote:On August 08 2012 20:28 Heavenlee wrote:On August 08 2012 20:27 Wildmoon wrote: Could any Protoss player here tell me what is the save BO to play in PvP if there is one? 1 gate robo + 2 gates I guess? Ya that's safe if you want to lose to 4 gate. I've never lost to four gate doing it lol. You chrono out sentries + warp gate research and can permanently forcefield your ramp. 4 Gate player pressures with first warp in and then expands. He's so far ahead. Not really. You can expand yourself and will have more workers, at best it'll be even. You can also spread them thin with warp prism harass while taking your own nexus or choosing to all-in, you can sentry forcefield their ramp with a warp prism, so on. you can't expo lol. not anytime soon anyway, i see you expo i cancel mine and kill you. you invested so much into sentries you won't have anything substantial to defend a natural if you decide to counter expo. edit: warp prism could work if your opponent has no idea how to handle it.
You don't invest heavily in sentries, by that time the Robo player will have enough immortals that you will have no chance. Unless you have tried to tech up to Immortal/Colossi yourself in which case you will have less of either.
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