• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 16:51
CET 22:51
KST 06:51
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
SC2 All-Star Invitational: Tournament Preview3RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2
Community News
BSL Season 2025 - Full Overview and Conclusion5Weekly Cups (Jan 5-11): Clem wins big offline, Trigger upsets4$21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7)16Weekly Cups (Dec 29-Jan 4): Protoss rolls, 2v2 returns7[BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 105
StarCraft 2
General
SC2 All-Star Invitational: Tournament Preview Stellar Fest "01" Jersey Charity Auction Weekly Cups (Jan 5-11): Clem wins big offline, Trigger upsets When will we find out if there are more tournament SC2 Spotted on the EWC 2026 list?
Tourneys
SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-18 $21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7) OSC Season 13 World Championship SC2 AI Tournament 2026 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 508 Violent Night Mutation # 507 Well Trained Mutation # 506 Warp Zone Mutation # 505 Rise From Ashes
Brood War
General
BSL Season 2025 - Full Overview and Conclusion Fantasy's Q&A video [ASL21] Potential Map Candidates BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 10 Small VOD Thread 2.0 Azhi's Colosseum - Season 2 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2 Simple Questions, Simple Answers Game Theory for Starcraft Current Meta
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason Awesome Games Done Quick 2026! Nintendo Switch Thread Mechabellum
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Physical Exercise (HIIT) Bef…
TrAiDoS
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1283 users

[Day 1] ASUS ROG Summer 2012 - Page 183

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 181 182 183 184 185 200 Next
Broodwurst
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany1586 Posts
August 02 2012 20:30 GMT
#3641
On August 03 2012 05:28 VisonKai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 05:27 Broodwurst wrote:
On August 03 2012 05:25 synaptik wrote:
i love how she is wearing normal clothes rather than the diva tight dresses that the american host girls are so fond of. its much easier to look at, whereas the anna showgirl style is so exploitative.


Everyone is wearing casual clothes there...


The girls usually still wear ridiculous clothes when all the casters have casual clothes on in most tournaments.


If you say so
Fanboys = (ウ╹◡╹)ウ /// I like smiley faces
synaptik
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada644 Posts
August 02 2012 20:30 GMT
#3642
https://twitter.com/Soembie

https://www.facebook.com/Soe.Penski

http://www.soes-stuff.com/en/

shes part russian, part swiss, lives in germany. sigh...so far away
Kevan
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden2303 Posts
August 02 2012 20:30 GMT
#3643
TLO stop tickling her off screen.
SC2, rip in pepperinos
ELA
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark4608 Posts
August 02 2012 20:31 GMT
#3644
Satteliten Centrale pretty good unit
The first link of chain forged, the first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.
ElfenLied
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany121 Posts
August 02 2012 20:31 GMT
#3645
Good old Satellitenzentrale... German version is indeed funny
TheBanana
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway2183 Posts
August 02 2012 20:31 GMT
#3646
On August 03 2012 05:22 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 05:18 TheBanana wrote:
On August 03 2012 05:09 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On August 03 2012 05:05 TheBanana wrote:
On August 03 2012 05:00 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On August 03 2012 04:59 Sepi wrote:
On August 03 2012 04:56 dragonborn wrote:
On August 03 2012 04:54 Sepi wrote:
I dont get this format. According to TLDB, Satiini has beaten MANA once. Now he has to do it again whit no advantage given. And he had to face forGG, which can be said that is the better player out of johnyrecco, which mana faced.

Why isn't he given any advantage over his opponent? This is the most stupid bracket system im seen so far.

Satiini vs MaNa 3-2
ForGG vs jonnyrecco 3-2

ForGG vs Satiini 3-1 - Winners final, forGG advances
MaNa vs Jonnyrecco 3-0 - jonnyrecco out

MaNa vs Satiini - Losers final, winners advance.


I know the GSL/winners format. But i think its stupid to copy it over to these tournaments aswell.
Basically Mana gets free chance to beat his opponent again...

Well.. its not up to me or us to decide, but i don't see the point of copying the format of overseas.


You do realize how much worse round robin is, right?


I don't, the GSL-groups has the most unfair system for a group stage I can think of.
You need 2 wins, but if you have 1 amazing player, 1 horrible player and 2 mediocre players, one of the mediocre players gets a "free win" while the other gets a "sure loss".
If the mediocre players play 1-1 the one with the free win advances.

I don't see how round of robin is worse than that.


At the highest levels of gameplay, your initial assumption is a logical fallacy. Everybody can beat everybody on any given day; there are no easy wins. Even Suhosin was on the brink of defeating Mvp in group stages just because he chose the right strategies.

The round robin format has multiple instances where it would be advantageous to lose a game, or there is no incentive to win one. In winners' format you always want to win every series.


So you deny the obvious disadvantage the GSL-system has by pretending the opponents skill level doesn't matter. Yeah, I'll take you seriously for sure.

There's a slight problem in that the first series isn't that meaningful apart from giving you insurance that you don't need to beat that low-skilled player. However, ultimately the outcome of that group is determined by the match between the 2 mediocre players so I'm not sure what the problem is.


You can have the scenario where they are basically playing 2 BoX vs eachother and one advances with a draw, even if he loses on map score. Based on who gets the freebie.

I'm not saying the round robin system is perfect, It's just better imo.
If you're not getting better faster than everybody else, you're getting worse.
CEPEHDREI
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany1521 Posts
August 02 2012 20:31 GMT
#3647
On August 03 2012 05:30 synaptik wrote:
https://twitter.com/Soembie

https://www.facebook.com/Soe.Penski

http://www.soes-stuff.com/en/

shes part russian, part swiss, lives in germany. sigh...so far away


were u the guy who just posted the gym stuff? if yes even more creepy
FatBat
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany326 Posts
August 02 2012 20:31 GMT
#3648
Satellitenzentrale is so much cooler than Orbital Command.
"This game went full retard"- Totalbiscuit
DertoQq
Profile Joined October 2010
France906 Posts
August 02 2012 20:31 GMT
#3649
On August 03 2012 05:28 Heavenlee wrote:
Rule #142 of LRs: there will always be an unreasonable complaint about the tournament format no matter what, ESPECIALLY if a well-liked player fails to advance because of it.

Rule #423: Someone must make a comment regarding what the females are wearing, most likely a thread will pop up criticizing or praising their style depending on how offensive Victorian era gentlemen would find it.


Don't waste your time, just make a rule saying that everything will be complained about at least once.
"i've made some empty promises in my life, but hands down that was the most generous" - Michael Scott
Zinnwaldite
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway1567 Posts
August 02 2012 20:32 GMT
#3650
On August 03 2012 05:30 synaptik wrote:
https://twitter.com/Soembie

https://www.facebook.com/Soe.Penski

http://www.soes-stuff.com/en/

shes part russian, part swiss, lives in germany. sigh...so far away


I think this is a good thing..
We promise with a view to hope, but the reason to "accomplish" what we promised would be fear.
Derrida
Profile Joined March 2011
2885 Posts
August 02 2012 20:32 GMT
#3651
can a native speaker please confirm if they are pronouncing "puma" correctly?

sounds like "pu" in "puke." i thought it would be more in line of "poo-ma"
#1 Grubby Fan.
Dont-Panic
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany567 Posts
August 02 2012 20:32 GMT
#3652
Haha those storms!
Bashion
Profile Joined February 2011
Cook Islands2612 Posts
August 02 2012 20:32 GMT
#3653
Lol Satini
I've got moves like Jagger
Thruth
Profile Joined December 2011
Poland112 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-02 20:32:34
August 02 2012 20:32 GMT
#3654
GG storms gratz for Mana!
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26225 Posts
August 02 2012 20:32 GMT
#3655
On August 03 2012 05:31 TheBanana wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 05:22 Shikyo wrote:
On August 03 2012 05:18 TheBanana wrote:
On August 03 2012 05:09 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On August 03 2012 05:05 TheBanana wrote:
On August 03 2012 05:00 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On August 03 2012 04:59 Sepi wrote:
On August 03 2012 04:56 dragonborn wrote:
On August 03 2012 04:54 Sepi wrote:
I dont get this format. According to TLDB, Satiini has beaten MANA once. Now he has to do it again whit no advantage given. And he had to face forGG, which can be said that is the better player out of johnyrecco, which mana faced.

Why isn't he given any advantage over his opponent? This is the most stupid bracket system im seen so far.

Satiini vs MaNa 3-2
ForGG vs jonnyrecco 3-2

ForGG vs Satiini 3-1 - Winners final, forGG advances
MaNa vs Jonnyrecco 3-0 - jonnyrecco out

MaNa vs Satiini - Losers final, winners advance.


I know the GSL/winners format. But i think its stupid to copy it over to these tournaments aswell.
Basically Mana gets free chance to beat his opponent again...

Well.. its not up to me or us to decide, but i don't see the point of copying the format of overseas.


You do realize how much worse round robin is, right?


I don't, the GSL-groups has the most unfair system for a group stage I can think of.
You need 2 wins, but if you have 1 amazing player, 1 horrible player and 2 mediocre players, one of the mediocre players gets a "free win" while the other gets a "sure loss".
If the mediocre players play 1-1 the one with the free win advances.

I don't see how round of robin is worse than that.


At the highest levels of gameplay, your initial assumption is a logical fallacy. Everybody can beat everybody on any given day; there are no easy wins. Even Suhosin was on the brink of defeating Mvp in group stages just because he chose the right strategies.

The round robin format has multiple instances where it would be advantageous to lose a game, or there is no incentive to win one. In winners' format you always want to win every series.


So you deny the obvious disadvantage the GSL-system has by pretending the opponents skill level doesn't matter. Yeah, I'll take you seriously for sure.

There's a slight problem in that the first series isn't that meaningful apart from giving you insurance that you don't need to beat that low-skilled player. However, ultimately the outcome of that group is determined by the match between the 2 mediocre players so I'm not sure what the problem is.


You can have the scenario where they are basically playing 2 BoX vs eachother and one advances with a draw, even if he loses on map score. Based on who gets the freebie.

I'm not saying the round robin system is perfect, It's just better imo.

I don't know I always find with Round Robin people get eliminated by some weird map countback, often to the detriment of players who I feel have shown bettergames. I haven't really seen that here thus far
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
August 02 2012 20:32 GMT
#3656
On August 03 2012 05:25 synaptik wrote:
i love how she is wearing normal clothes rather than the diva tight dresses that the american host girls are so fond of. its much easier to look at, whereas the anna showgirl style is so exploitative.

Its probably because Assembly is primarily a LAN event full of nerds like Dreamhack. Dressing up would look hilariously out of place.

Events like IPL/NASL/MLG are more about putting on a show, so they dress accordingly. But I agree that they tend to try way too hard with it.
MyLastSerenade
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany710 Posts
August 02 2012 20:32 GMT
#3657
On August 03 2012 05:26 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 05:25 MyLastSerenade wrote:
nice to see my fav Terran Demuslim get through the groups, did he played Bischu twice or is the Wiki page just wrong? would love to know if he beat Moon!

It's GSL style groups so it's
match 1
match 2
match 3: winner of match 1 vs winner match 2
match 4: loser match 1 vs loser match 2
match 5: loser match 3 vs winner match 4
so yes, Demuslim played Bischu twice. He did not play vs Moon as Moon won his first two series



ahh ok now it makes sense, didnt know that ( going ashamed into a corner ) ~~
Addict
Profile Joined July 2011
Belgium164 Posts
August 02 2012 20:32 GMT
#3658
Money storms right there :D
ibo422
Profile Joined April 2012
Belgium2844 Posts
August 02 2012 20:32 GMT
#3659
Lol, these finnish players! :D
revel8
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom3022 Posts
August 02 2012 20:32 GMT
#3660
On August 03 2012 05:25 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 05:23 revel8 wrote:
Round Robin stages is obviously much fairer system. Everyone plays everyone else. Order of Group is dictated by the results of these games. GSL Code S is not made up of 32 players who have equal chances of winning it. Some players are more likely than others. It seems pretty silly to pretend that there is no such thing as a lucky draw, especially when players can be less strong in a particular match up.


Maybe you should assemble a 32 man round robin stage and see how that works out.

Or do you not understand the point of a tournament format?


Every single football league in Europe operates under the same principle of a large round robin group of 20 or so teams. They call it a Division in the League. It is widely recognised to be the fairest system to determine the strongest and most consistent team during that season. Cup Tournaments involving teams randomly drawn against each other are recognised to have an element in luck involved as opponents can differ in strength. Not sure why this is even debateable.

Round Robin Groups of 4 with Top 2 advancing is a fairer system than GSL because a player in a GSL group can advance more easily if their opponent happened to be less formidable due to the luck of the draw. It is nonsensical to suggest otherwise.
Prev 1 181 182 183 184 185 200 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
BSL 21
20:00
Non-Korean Championship - D3
Mihu vs eOnzErG
Dewalt vs Sziky
Bonyth vs DuGu
XuanXuan vs eOnzErG
Dewalt vs eOnzErG
ZZZero.O253
LiquipediaDiscussion
AI Arena Tournament
20:00
Swiss - Round 2
Laughngamez YouTube
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Nathanias 104
StarCraft: Brood War
ZZZero.O 253
Dewaltoss 134
Shuttle 122
firebathero 118
NaDa 15
Dota 2
Pyrionflax242
capcasts109
LuMiX1
Counter-Strike
FalleN 3603
fl0m2224
minikerr30
Other Games
summit1g8854
tarik_tv4309
Grubby3758
FrodaN3194
crisheroes479
Liquid`Hasu294
ToD266
XaKoH 115
KnowMe110
ViBE45
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick2397
StarCraft 2
WardiTV763
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 21 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 67
• HeavenSC 42
• printf 35
• poizon28 16
• musti20045 4
• IndyKCrew
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 10
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota2993
• lizZardDota261
League of Legends
• TFBlade1486
Other Games
• imaqtpie2173
• Shiphtur152
Upcoming Events
All-Star Invitational
5h 9m
MMA vs DongRaeGu
herO vs Solar
Clem vs Reynor
Rogue vs Oliveira
Sparkling Tuna Cup
12h 9m
OSC
14h 9m
Shameless vs NightMare
YoungYakov vs MaNa
Nicoract vs Jumy
Gerald vs TBD
Creator vs TBD
BSL 21
22h 9m
Bonyth vs Sziky
Mihu vs QiaoGege
Sziky vs XuanXuan
eOnzErG vs QiaoGege
Mihu vs DuGu
Dewalt vs Bonyth
IPSL
22h 9m
Dewalt vs Sziky
Replay Cast
1d 11h
Wardi Open
1d 14h
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 19h
The PondCast
3 days
Replay Cast
5 days
[ Show More ]
Big Brain Bouts
5 days
Serral vs TBD
BSL 21
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S1: W4
Big Gabe Cup #3
NA Kuram Kup

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
OSC Championship Season 13
SC2 All-Star Inv. 2025
Underdog Cup #3
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: W5
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Rongyi Cup S3
Nations Cup 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.