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I want 2GD to host every tournament from now on, if that could be arranged. Seriously, the others are doing a great job as well, but James is fucking hilarious. Big fan of that guy.
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On August 03 2012 05:18 TheBanana wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 05:09 CosmicSpiral wrote:On August 03 2012 05:05 TheBanana wrote:On August 03 2012 05:00 CosmicSpiral wrote:On August 03 2012 04:59 Sepi wrote:On August 03 2012 04:56 dragonborn wrote:On August 03 2012 04:54 Sepi wrote:
I dont get this format. According to TLDB, Satiini has beaten MANA once. Now he has to do it again whit no advantage given. And he had to face forGG, which can be said that is the better player out of johnyrecco, which mana faced.
Why isn't he given any advantage over his opponent? This is the most stupid bracket system im seen so far. Satiini vs MaNa 3-2 ForGG vs jonnyrecco 3-2 ForGG vs Satiini 3-1 - Winners final, forGG advances MaNa vs Jonnyrecco 3-0 - jonnyrecco out MaNa vs Satiini - Losers final, winners advance. I know the GSL/winners format. But i think its stupid to copy it over to these tournaments aswell. Basically Mana gets free chance to beat his opponent again... Well.. its not up to me or us to decide, but i don't see the point of copying the format of overseas. You do realize how much worse round robin is, right? I don't, the GSL-groups has the most unfair system for a group stage I can think of. You need 2 wins, but if you have 1 amazing player, 1 horrible player and 2 mediocre players, one of the mediocre players gets a "free win" while the other gets a "sure loss". If the mediocre players play 1-1 the one with the free win advances. I don't see how round of robin is worse than that. At the highest levels of gameplay, your initial assumption is a logical fallacy. Everybody can beat everybody on any given day; there are no easy wins. Even Suhosin was on the brink of defeating Mvp in group stages just because he chose the right strategies. The round robin format has multiple instances where it would be advantageous to lose a game, or there is no incentive to win one. In winners' format you always want to win every series. So you deny the obvious disadvantage the GSL-system has by pretending the opponents skill level doesn't matter. Yeah, I'll take you seriously for sure.
It's not obvious to me. Whenever I felt there was something off about group play at the GSL, and then tried to think about what would have happened had it been round robin, the result was always the same, the same two players getting out of the group in my pretend round robin, and the same two players failing.
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Northern Ireland27477 Posts
On August 03 2012 05:24 VisonKai wrote:
GOOD JOB SASE. Whoever that guy was before, we're turning his luck around. Do not stop watching, whatever you do!
Damnit, I'm meant to go track some guitar lines at my friend's. I will have to let him down I think :p
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i love how she is wearing normal clothes rather than the diva tight dresses that the american host girls are so fond of. its much easier to look at, whereas the anna showgirl style is so exploitative.
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Fun fact: Kas is only 9 wins away from having 1000 official tournament wins according to TLPD.
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On August 03 2012 05:25 MyLastSerenade wrote:nice to see my fav Terran Demuslim get through the groups, did he played Bischu twice or is the Wiki page just wrong? would love to know if he beat Moon! 
It's GSL style groups so it's
match 1
match 2
match 3: winner of match 1 vs winner match 2
match 4: loser match 1 vs loser match 2
match 5: loser match 3 vs winner match 4
so yes, Demuslim played Bischu twice. He did not play vs Moon as Moon won his first two series
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That is most likely from back when they dated.
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On August 03 2012 05:25 synaptik wrote:
i love how she is wearing normal clothes rather than the diva tight dresses that the american host girls are so fond of. its much easier to look at, whereas the anna showgirl style is so exploitative.
Everyone is wearing casual clothes there...
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Wow, Satini with scvs following other scvs lol
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On August 03 2012 05:25 synaptik wrote:
i love how she is wearing normal clothes rather than the diva tight dresses that the american host girls are so fond of. its much easier to look at, whereas the anna showgirl style is so exploitative.
yawn, cool story.
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On August 03 2012 05:27 Broodwurst wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 05:25 synaptik wrote:
i love how she is wearing normal clothes rather than the diva tight dresses that the american host girls are so fond of. its much easier to look at, whereas the anna showgirl style is so exploitative. Everyone is wearing casual clothes there...
The girls usually still wear ridiculous clothes when all the casters have casual clothes on in most tournaments.
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Just logged in, who is she?
Doesnt sound like a sc-commentator.
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Rule #142 of LRs: there will always be an unreasonable complaint about the tournament format no matter what, ESPECIALLY if a well-liked player fails to advance because of it.
Rule #423: Someone must make a comment regarding what the females are wearing, most likely a thread will pop up criticizing or praising their style depending on how offensive Victorian era gentlemen would find it.
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On August 03 2012 05:25 synaptik wrote:
i love how she is wearing normal clothes rather than the diva tight dresses that the american host girls are so fond of. its much easier to look at, whereas the anna showgirl style is so exploitative.
Well it's probably not the host's choice (the general style definitely isn't). I find that American tournaments try too hard to go for the cheesy TV look/feel, not really a fan of that myself either. =/
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On August 03 2012 05:27 Xacez wrote:That is most likely from back when they dated.
Indeed it is
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United States97277 Posts
On August 03 2012 05:26 CryMeAReaper wrote:
Fun fact: Kas is only 9 wins away from having 1000 official tournament wins according to TLPD.
That's a shitload. I believe he is the second player to achieve this as Nerchio is at 1089 wins. I dont really see anyone else even close to 1k
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On August 03 2012 05:00 Orek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 04:59 sVnteen wrote:On August 03 2012 04:50 Shikyo wrote:On August 03 2012 04:47 Sated wrote:On August 03 2012 04:40 Type|NarutO wrote:On August 03 2012 04:38 Sated wrote:Where are the "Suppy only wins 3-0 because Kas is tired" people at? They are still strong I guess. Can't say how it would have went if Kas is in good condition. Could be the same, but I for mypart do also think it was Kas' lack of sleep. Just that some of us don't blame Suppy for winning. Not his fault Kas was tired. "Zombie" Kas has now taken two games off Ret, a player whose generally considered a better player than Suppy atm. S'all I'm saying Ret is considered a better player than Suppy? Not by me at least but whatever you say... Ret totally blew that last game though, he knew it was 2rax in the mid. I facepalmed when I saw him making 6 drones at once. As I pointed out earlier, Kas could have killed him even earlier. I don't get why he'd do that. Ret could have overkilled lings to kill that allin and THEN went full drones and he'd have been way ahead anyway, why doesn't he understand you don't need 60 drones vs 20 SCVs, having 40 drones vs 20 SCVs is just fine if it guarantees you don't die. On August 03 2012 04:50 Wegandi wrote:On August 03 2012 04:35 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 03 2012 04:32 Orek wrote:On August 03 2012 04:15 Wegandi wrote:On August 03 2012 04:05 FatBat wrote:On August 03 2012 04:02 fakgfdgfdh wrote:On August 03 2012 02:40 Shikyo wrote:
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Implying being 16 is a disadvantage? I'd say that's the best age for a player seems likely as i cant think of a single player whos ever peaked at 16 I think in theory its best age because your brain is at his peak aswell as physically, BUT at 16 you have school and in generell not so much time to play( parents etc.) Physical peak is late 20s, and mental peak generally is mid 20s, even though some other functions like spatial reasoning peaks in your late 50s. The reason you see teenagers doing so well is because they have less priorities and responsibilities. As much as we might like to say that gaming is mainstream, it really isn't, at least not yet. Many people lose their passion also the more they play the game. Just look at NaDa. His abilities didn't decline because of some physical or mental diminishing, but because his priorities shifted. Let's also not forget the fact that Korean gamers are interrupted for years in the early 20s due to conscription. I think it's a bit silly to say that playing Starcraft is more physically or mentally demanding than say, Nolan Ryan pitching at age 43. If major league baseball players can still be on the top of the world in their late 30s in such a demanding sport, what makes you think that humans can't play starcraft in their early and mid twenties at the top of the game? You have good insight. Playing video game is not nearly as demanding physically. I wouldn't be surprised 60 years old winning GSL if he/she has a chance and dedication to do so. Often times, people start to play games in teenage years. Therefore, it is only natural that some talents come up from those age bracket. When e-sports grow bigger and pro gamer career is taken more seriously by societies, then we might see more older age champions. For now, being younger is an advantage. Some say you have school, but if you start to work, school responsibility is such a joke compared to working responsibility. Maybe some youngsters don't understand that. I certainly didn't back then to be fair. Videogames really rely on your cognitive abilities, your reaction times and whatnot that decline relatively quickly. Plus only the young tend to have sufficient time to dedicate to playing full time which is probably part of it. Please don't tell me you are saying that playing starcraft is harder than trying to hit a 98MPH fastball, or a 87MPH Circle-Change coming from someone like Roy Halladay...As someone who extensively played RTS and Baseball for most of my life, I can definitely say, that playing baseball is much more demanding both physically and mentally, and the sport isn't dominated by 18-21 y/o's. Indeed, most don't peak until their late 20s or early 30s. There's a reason for this. You realize SC2 was released in 2010? When do you think the early 30s basketballer started playing basketball? At the age of 29? Not a chance. what? so you think that suppy is better than ret? I personally don't really like ret's playstyle but he has won international tournaments and done really well in many others but suppy doesn't have any accomplishments whatsoever (no doing decently in WCS usa doesn't count as an achievent... not even close to an achievement you could compare to some of ret's) strange point of view Whoever wins today is better. Whatever they achieved in the past means nothing.
can people stop this? this is not how it works. whoevers better is better, it doesent swap around as people play eachother
casters also needs to stop, theres not a new best player in the world every month
On August 03 2012 04:50 Wegandi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 04:35 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 03 2012 04:32 Orek wrote:On August 03 2012 04:15 Wegandi wrote:On August 03 2012 04:05 FatBat wrote:On August 03 2012 04:02 fakgfdgfdh wrote:On August 03 2012 02:40 Shikyo wrote:On August 03 2012 02:38 Resilient wrote:
16 year old barely loses to ForGG in a 3-2 series and some people here flame him for being arrogant/being inexperienced enough to apply ladder results to tournaments
stay classy Implying being 16 is a disadvantage? I'd say that's the best age for a player seems likely as i cant think of a single player whos ever peaked at 16 I think in theory its best age because your brain is at his peak aswell as physically, BUT at 16 you have school and in generell not so much time to play( parents etc.) Physical peak is late 20s, and mental peak generally is mid 20s, even though some other functions like spatial reasoning peaks in your late 50s. The reason you see teenagers doing so well is because they have less priorities and responsibilities. As much as we might like to say that gaming is mainstream, it really isn't, at least not yet. Many people lose their passion also the more they play the game. Just look at NaDa. His abilities didn't decline because of some physical or mental diminishing, but because his priorities shifted. Let's also not forget the fact that Korean gamers are interrupted for years in the early 20s due to conscription. I think it's a bit silly to say that playing Starcraft is more physically or mentally demanding than say, Nolan Ryan pitching at age 43. If major league baseball players can still be on the top of the world in their late 30s in such a demanding sport, what makes you think that humans can't play starcraft in their early and mid twenties at the top of the game? You have good insight. Playing video game is not nearly as demanding physically. I wouldn't be surprised 60 years old winning GSL if he/she has a chance and dedication to do so. Often times, people start to play games in teenage years. Therefore, it is only natural that some talents come up from those age bracket. When e-sports grow bigger and pro gamer career is taken more seriously by societies, then we might see more older age champions. For now, being younger is an advantage. Some say you have school, but if you start to work, school responsibility is such a joke compared to working responsibility. Maybe some youngsters don't understand that. I certainly didn't back then to be fair. Videogames really rely on your cognitive abilities, your reaction times and whatnot that decline relatively quickly. Plus only the young tend to have sufficient time to dedicate to playing full time which is probably part of it. Please don't tell me you are saying that playing starcraft is harder than trying to hit a 98MPH fastball, or a 87MPH Circle-Change coming from someone like Roy Halladay...As someone who extensively played RTS and Baseball for most of my life, I can definitely say, that playing baseball is much more demanding both physically and mentally, and the sport isn't dominated by 18-21 y/o's. Indeed, most don't peak until their late 20s or early 30s. There's a reason for this.
no baseball isnt harder and anyone whos played both isnt able to automatically decide whats harder. what do you even mean by harder?
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