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Moka
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada942 Posts
July 23 2012 15:09 GMT
#761
On July 24 2012 00:08 opterown wrote:
zerg: 2/8 advance
terran: 2/3 advance
protoss: 4/5 advance

protoss op?



Terran always OP since beta Terranuuuuu pride!
ヾ(@⌒_⌒@)ノ
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
July 23 2012 15:09 GMT
#762
On July 24 2012 00:08 opterown wrote:
zerg: 2/8 advance
terran: 2/3 advance
protoss: 4/5 advance

protoss op?

2/3 still too high for terran. expect bunker nerf next patch :D
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TL+ Member
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51481 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-23 15:10:48
July 23 2012 15:09 GMT
#763
I was there.

The reason for low attendences are;

- OGN don't advertise to foreigners (which is GSL's biggest draw)
- No foreigners know how to get to the studio
- Games tend to go on until late at night, I left during the second group's losers match so I could avoid the 20% taxi surcharge after midnight.
- KeSPA players aren't playing
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
July 23 2012 15:10 GMT
#764
On July 24 2012 00:09 Rulker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2012 00:08 Dodgin wrote:
On July 24 2012 00:07 Rulker wrote:
On July 24 2012 00:07 WigglingSquid wrote:
Lately quite a few more players are looking crushed after their defeats. Pressure must be adding up.

name a few?

i dont think this is anything new..


The GSL ro4 losers, Dongraegu and Byun looked like their lives had just ended when they lost.

i dont htink that has anything to do with pressure adding up, just that they almost made the finals of a gsl


and lost


It was way worse this season though, never seen to much emotion from the semifinal losers before.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
July 23 2012 15:11 GMT
#765
On July 24 2012 00:10 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2012 00:09 Rulker wrote:
On July 24 2012 00:08 Dodgin wrote:
On July 24 2012 00:07 Rulker wrote:
On July 24 2012 00:07 WigglingSquid wrote:
Lately quite a few more players are looking crushed after their defeats. Pressure must be adding up.

name a few?

i dont think this is anything new..


The GSL ro4 losers, Dongraegu and Byun looked like their lives had just ended when they lost.

i dont htink that has anything to do with pressure adding up, just that they almost made the finals of a gsl


and lost


It was way worse this season though, never seen to much emotion from the semifinal losers before.

To be fair on byun he had thrown what should have been a ticket to the finals with that SCV pull.
Glorious SEA doto
jcairne
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States127 Posts
July 23 2012 15:11 GMT
#766
So is that 10 gsl championships combined in the ro16? pretty sick line-up for the non-kespa side of the tourny.
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
July 23 2012 15:11 GMT
#767
On July 24 2012 00:08 WigglingSquid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2012 00:07 Rulker wrote:
On July 24 2012 00:07 WigglingSquid wrote:
Lately quite a few more players are looking crushed after their defeats. Pressure must be adding up.

name a few?

i dont think this is anything new..

It's not new, but it seems more common than in the past.
Byun, DRG, Jjakji, Yugioh right now...


Symbol was crushed when he losted against Seed as well... I think also maybe the camera is showing it more. Plus with Kespa players coming in, GSL players know the competition will ramp up again and they might not get as good chances like this again.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
July 23 2012 15:12 GMT
#768
On July 24 2012 00:09 phil.ipp wrote:
so is there a date for the KESPA Dual Tournament?

next monday and the one after :D
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
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SilverJohnny
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States885 Posts
July 23 2012 15:13 GMT
#769
On July 24 2012 00:07 Toadvine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2012 00:04 SilverJohnny wrote:
There is a reason why NesTea has a 75% winrate ZvZ lol.


He's not looking that good to be perfectly honest. Yugioh is simply not smart enough to abuse the deficiencies of this roach/hydra style. Like, for instance, if he hadn't decided to engage 4 Queens and a Spore with his Muta flock, he could've done so much more with them. I think Nestea would've lost to a top ZvZer like Leenock or DRG if he tried to play like this.


I don't disagree that his form is off from what it used to be, but I still think there is a very, VERY short list of players who can take him down in a ZvZ series, and only a slightly larger list of people who can even take a game off of him. Granted his play was sloppy, but a lot of it came down to missing Yugi's spire timing. But as soon as he saw the mutas he made the best possible choices - keep attacking to keep them at home, make a few more queens + spores (not too many, only made 4 to start), get a hydra den so you don't die and transition to infestors. Textbook and solid, even if he didn't control perfectly or if he didn't scout 100% accurately. Yugi didn't play horribly, he just made a few mistakes and those cost him the game against someone who knows what to do.
also i think you should be able to combine like 5 archons to make a really really shitty oliver stone film - Keanu_Reaver, bw balance genius
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
July 23 2012 15:14 GMT
#770
On July 24 2012 00:10 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2012 00:09 Rulker wrote:
On July 24 2012 00:08 Dodgin wrote:
On July 24 2012 00:07 Rulker wrote:
On July 24 2012 00:07 WigglingSquid wrote:
Lately quite a few more players are looking crushed after their defeats. Pressure must be adding up.

name a few?

i dont think this is anything new..


The GSL ro4 losers, Dongraegu and Byun looked like their lives had just ended when they lost.

i dont htink that has anything to do with pressure adding up, just that they almost made the finals of a gsl


and lost


It was way worse this season though, never seen to much emotion from the semifinal losers before.


Also, GSL are 2 months now so much more is invested. Last year, it was basically 1 per month so if you lost, you just say "I know I am good enough and I will make it next month". 2 months is double the time.
TeMiL
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Peru545 Posts
July 23 2012 15:18 GMT
#771
now we have more leagues too!!!
gl nestea :D
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
July 23 2012 15:18 GMT
#772
On July 24 2012 00:13 SilverJohnny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2012 00:07 Toadvine wrote:
On July 24 2012 00:04 SilverJohnny wrote:
There is a reason why NesTea has a 75% winrate ZvZ lol.


He's not looking that good to be perfectly honest. Yugioh is simply not smart enough to abuse the deficiencies of this roach/hydra style. Like, for instance, if he hadn't decided to engage 4 Queens and a Spore with his Muta flock, he could've done so much more with them. I think Nestea would've lost to a top ZvZer like Leenock or DRG if he tried to play like this.


I don't disagree that his form is off from what it used to be, but I still think there is a very, VERY short list of players who can take him down in a ZvZ series, and only a slightly larger list of people who can even take a game off of him. Granted his play was sloppy, but a lot of it came down to missing Yugi's spire timing. But as soon as he saw the mutas he made the best possible choices - keep attacking to keep them at home, make a few more queens + spores (not too many, only made 4 to start), get a hydra den so you don't die and transition to infestors. Textbook and solid, even if he didn't control perfectly or if he didn't scout 100% accurately. Yugi didn't play horribly, he just made a few mistakes and those cost him the game against someone who knows what to do.


I know there is a lot of talk about Nestea's slump. But it was just because he was so ahead of other zergs in mid 2011. I don't think it is him playing bad but rather others catching up. But by results, you still have to put him top 5 and really only DRG as #1 and you can argue about 2-4 (Symbol, Leenock(who had his own slump), Nestea)
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
July 23 2012 15:19 GMT
#773
On July 24 2012 00:18 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2012 00:13 SilverJohnny wrote:
On July 24 2012 00:07 Toadvine wrote:
On July 24 2012 00:04 SilverJohnny wrote:
There is a reason why NesTea has a 75% winrate ZvZ lol.


He's not looking that good to be perfectly honest. Yugioh is simply not smart enough to abuse the deficiencies of this roach/hydra style. Like, for instance, if he hadn't decided to engage 4 Queens and a Spore with his Muta flock, he could've done so much more with them. I think Nestea would've lost to a top ZvZer like Leenock or DRG if he tried to play like this.


I don't disagree that his form is off from what it used to be, but I still think there is a very, VERY short list of players who can take him down in a ZvZ series, and only a slightly larger list of people who can even take a game off of him. Granted his play was sloppy, but a lot of it came down to missing Yugi's spire timing. But as soon as he saw the mutas he made the best possible choices - keep attacking to keep them at home, make a few more queens + spores (not too many, only made 4 to start), get a hydra den so you don't die and transition to infestors. Textbook and solid, even if he didn't control perfectly or if he didn't scout 100% accurately. Yugi didn't play horribly, he just made a few mistakes and those cost him the game against someone who knows what to do.


I know there is a lot of talk about Nestea's slump. But it was just because he was so ahead of other zergs in mid 2011. I don't think it is him playing bad but rather others catching up. But by results, you still have to put him top 5 and really only DRG as #1 and you can argue about 2-4 (Symbol, Leenock(who had his own slump), Nestea)

nerchio #1 zerg, he's the world champion man.
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
July 23 2012 15:21 GMT
#774
On July 24 2012 00:19 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2012 00:18 vthree wrote:
On July 24 2012 00:13 SilverJohnny wrote:
On July 24 2012 00:07 Toadvine wrote:
On July 24 2012 00:04 SilverJohnny wrote:
There is a reason why NesTea has a 75% winrate ZvZ lol.


He's not looking that good to be perfectly honest. Yugioh is simply not smart enough to abuse the deficiencies of this roach/hydra style. Like, for instance, if he hadn't decided to engage 4 Queens and a Spore with his Muta flock, he could've done so much more with them. I think Nestea would've lost to a top ZvZer like Leenock or DRG if he tried to play like this.


I don't disagree that his form is off from what it used to be, but I still think there is a very, VERY short list of players who can take him down in a ZvZ series, and only a slightly larger list of people who can even take a game off of him. Granted his play was sloppy, but a lot of it came down to missing Yugi's spire timing. But as soon as he saw the mutas he made the best possible choices - keep attacking to keep them at home, make a few more queens + spores (not too many, only made 4 to start), get a hydra den so you don't die and transition to infestors. Textbook and solid, even if he didn't control perfectly or if he didn't scout 100% accurately. Yugi didn't play horribly, he just made a few mistakes and those cost him the game against someone who knows what to do.


I know there is a lot of talk about Nestea's slump. But it was just because he was so ahead of other zergs in mid 2011. I don't think it is him playing bad but rather others catching up. But by results, you still have to put him top 5 and really only DRG as #1 and you can argue about 2-4 (Symbol, Leenock(who had his own slump), Nestea)

nerchio #1 zerg, he's the world champion man.


Lol, I lefted out the foreign zergs on purpose since I didn't want this to turn into a Stephano post again!!!
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8304 Posts
July 23 2012 15:21 GMT
#775
So next round for the GSL guys is RO16 with Kespa players as well? If so will that be group stages or brackets?
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
July 23 2012 15:23 GMT
#776
On July 24 2012 00:21 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2012 00:19 opterown wrote:
On July 24 2012 00:18 vthree wrote:
On July 24 2012 00:13 SilverJohnny wrote:
On July 24 2012 00:07 Toadvine wrote:
On July 24 2012 00:04 SilverJohnny wrote:
There is a reason why NesTea has a 75% winrate ZvZ lol.


He's not looking that good to be perfectly honest. Yugioh is simply not smart enough to abuse the deficiencies of this roach/hydra style. Like, for instance, if he hadn't decided to engage 4 Queens and a Spore with his Muta flock, he could've done so much more with them. I think Nestea would've lost to a top ZvZer like Leenock or DRG if he tried to play like this.


I don't disagree that his form is off from what it used to be, but I still think there is a very, VERY short list of players who can take him down in a ZvZ series, and only a slightly larger list of people who can even take a game off of him. Granted his play was sloppy, but a lot of it came down to missing Yugi's spire timing. But as soon as he saw the mutas he made the best possible choices - keep attacking to keep them at home, make a few more queens + spores (not too many, only made 4 to start), get a hydra den so you don't die and transition to infestors. Textbook and solid, even if he didn't control perfectly or if he didn't scout 100% accurately. Yugi didn't play horribly, he just made a few mistakes and those cost him the game against someone who knows what to do.


I know there is a lot of talk about Nestea's slump. But it was just because he was so ahead of other zergs in mid 2011. I don't think it is him playing bad but rather others catching up. But by results, you still have to put him top 5 and really only DRG as #1 and you can argue about 2-4 (Symbol, Leenock(who had his own slump), Nestea)

nerchio #1 zerg, he's the world champion man.


Lol, I lefted out the foreign zergs on purpose since I didn't want this to turn into a Stephano post again!!!

SOMEBODY SAID ZERG OMG STEPHANO!!!111!!!!

ALSO FUK IDRA!!!11!!!
Glorious SEA doto
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
July 23 2012 15:27 GMT
#777
On July 24 2012 00:21 TheDougler wrote:
So next round for the GSL guys is RO16 with Kespa players as well? If so will that be group stages or brackets?


As far as i know people who advance from the dual tournament get to the ro16 together, only the dual tournament was seperate. I believe there will be a group selection for that.
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
July 23 2012 15:27 GMT
#778
On July 24 2012 00:21 TheDougler wrote:
So next round for the GSL guys is RO16 with Kespa players as well? If so will that be group stages or brackets?


I am not 100% sure about this but OSL usually does random draws where the top 4 seeds (top 4 in previous OSL) draw names out of a hat and they are split into groups and play a round robin with tie breakers if necessary.

But since this is first OSL where GSL and Kespa players merge, not sure what they will do. Because it is possible that Flash and Zero won't even make it (they still have to play in the ODT. Maybe they have Jangbi, Fantasy, MVP, Nestea to draw? Or randomly have 2 Kespa + 2 GSL or full random (could have 3/1, 4/0 groups). I am sure the details will come out once the Kespa ODTs are done.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
July 23 2012 15:30 GMT
#779
On July 24 2012 00:27 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2012 00:21 TheDougler wrote:
So next round for the GSL guys is RO16 with Kespa players as well? If so will that be group stages or brackets?


I am not 100% sure about this but OSL usually does random draws where the top 4 seeds (top 4 in previous OSL) draw names out of a hat and they are split into groups and play a round robin with tie breakers if necessary.

But since this is first OSL where GSL and Kespa players merge, not sure what they will do. Because it is possible that Flash and Zero won't even make it (they still have to play in the ODT. Maybe they have Jangbi, Fantasy, MVP, Nestea to draw? Or randomly have 2 Kespa + 2 GSL or full random (could have 3/1, 4/0 groups). I am sure the details will come out once the Kespa ODTs are done.

Jangbi and fantasy are seeded to the RO16 so they'll draw but I'm not sure about the other two, perhaps flash and zero if they qualify for the RO16 or top 2 GSL points of those who qualified?
Glorious SEA doto
nkr
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden5451 Posts
July 23 2012 15:34 GMT
#780
Nestea <3
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