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BuuurN
Profile Joined August 2011
United States60 Posts
June 27 2012 00:27 GMT
#261
The only reason hero lost that game was because he waited far too long at the end of it. Let annyueng get back into it by being able to mine all the bases that hero put so many resources into harassing earlier in the game. I just kept yelling at hero to attack (. Obviously amazing play and decisions except for that.
Chewbacca.
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3634 Posts
June 27 2012 00:27 GMT
#262
On June 27 2012 09:24 Dodgin wrote:
lol at everyone in this thread saying carriers are bad, hero just didn't play it out correctly.


Pretty much this. If Hero just attacked with his carrier/archon/full energy mothership when he first got them he could of easily won. Instead he did all sorts of mini attacks and lost a ton of gas, including basically all of his archons leaving his mothership a whole hell of a lot less scary.
Arctyrus
Profile Joined June 2012
Denmark77 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-27 00:28:55
June 27 2012 00:28 GMT
#263
Damn that was brutal to watch :/
I feel sad for Hero, cant feel good losing that game :/

EDIT: I wonder why he sacrificed so many archons though..
"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed people can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."
ELA
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark4608 Posts
June 27 2012 00:28 GMT
#264
On June 27 2012 09:26 Skyline026 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2012 09:24 Bumblebee wrote:



Yeah... This is why we have no faith in Liquid when they face a korean team in a teamleague.



So beating TSL 5-3 last season dosn't count? Also, 4-5 vs. Prime the last time..

I have faith, Taeja go!
The first link of chain forged, the first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.
Ender2701
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States581 Posts
June 27 2012 00:28 GMT
#265
On June 27 2012 09:26 Zacsafus wrote:
Hero destroyed annyoung for 30 minutes then literally stopped playing, like he was recalling and attacking everywhere then decided that making tea and randomly sending 5 units at a time into spines and infestors was the correct way to win? Pretty sure 90% of non-pro players could win that game if you gave it to them at 30 mins in


There was never a time in that game as a masters toss that I felt like I could win that game in HerO's position if I was playing against the prime zerg. Defeating an infestor broodlord army controlled by a incredible zerg player is near impossible if you're not at their level. HerO threw the game away a bit, but at the same time it wasn't an easy win situation.
Zacsafus
Profile Joined May 2010
England255 Posts
June 27 2012 00:28 GMT
#266
Im pretty sure that the mass recall play is exactly what hero needed to win the game, he was abusing annyung then jsut stopped and did nothing after that. Im not quite sure why he just stopped playing
Zath.erin
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada429 Posts
June 27 2012 00:28 GMT
#267
Please don't use this game to balance cry, you'll only make your self look really foolish and uninformed. It's clear as day that hero threw that game.
I put my pants on just like the rest of you - one leg at a time. Except once my pants are on, i make gold records!
woody60707
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1863 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-27 00:30:13
June 27 2012 00:28 GMT
#268
On June 27 2012 09:23 Slardar wrote:
I COME BACK FROM DINNER BEING LIKE OK....... HerO has this 100% and I COME BACK TO "AND ANNYEONG WINS!!" ........



WHAT THE HELL?!!!

The guy invests in 30 corruptors......just mass stalker and kill him.


He can't, not with all those FG ready to use on the stalkers. This is why late game PvZ will always end with how well a toss can use vortex vs a zerg stopping it. Hero tried changing the meta game up, but I'm not sure how you can in this end game PvZ type game.

TLDR: toss end game is OP with vortex, Zerg end game is OP with no vortex.
JujuXG
Profile Joined September 2011
United States373 Posts
June 27 2012 00:28 GMT
#269
can't wait until that 22 range new protoss air unti T.T hero
"I'm naturally good at everything. I'm good at eating too, so that's why I can't lose weight."
oogieogie
Profile Joined June 2011
United States3657 Posts
June 27 2012 00:29 GMT
#270
On June 27 2012 09:26 Valikyr wrote:
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On June 27 2012 09:25 LittLeD wrote:
On June 27 2012 09:23 Valikyr wrote:
On June 27 2012 09:22 Seiferz wrote:
awww hero threw it away :/

Didn't really threw it away. You just can't beat a t3 zerg army that is played well.
well gg

I have no idea where you get that impression from. But mothership + a massive amount of stalkers + archons mixed with a couple of HTs will definitely crush the latest of late Zerg armies.

HerO's mistake was carriers.

The idea is from every lategame ZvP where the zerg isn't a foreigner.

huh? it happens all the time..Zerg gets BL/corrupter/infestor with maybe roachs/zerglings then the P gets archons/mass stalkers/mothership..gets a blink under the BL n then you watch like 6 archons kill 20 BL in 2 seconds.

Koesader
Profile Joined April 2012
Netherlands424 Posts
June 27 2012 00:30 GMT
#271
I think HerO should've gone for a full out 20+ carrier composition..
Now destroy him TaeJa!
Liquid'TaeJa - Grubby - MVPMarineKing - Liquid'Ret - AxCranK - RedBull.Bomber ~~~ Are You Ready For Bombing?
CruelZeratul
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany4588 Posts
June 27 2012 00:30 GMT
#272
HerO needs more of the go fucking kill him instinct MC has.
Zacsafus
Profile Joined May 2010
England255 Posts
June 27 2012 00:30 GMT
#273
On June 27 2012 09:28 Ender2701 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2012 09:26 Zacsafus wrote:
Hero destroyed annyoung for 30 minutes then literally stopped playing, like he was recalling and attacking everywhere then decided that making tea and randomly sending 5 units at a time into spines and infestors was the correct way to win? Pretty sure 90% of non-pro players could win that game if you gave it to them at 30 mins in


There was never a time in that game as a masters toss that I felt like I could win that game in HerO's position if I was playing against the prime zerg. Defeating an infestor broodlord army controlled by a incredible zerg player is near impossible if you're not at their level. HerO threw the game away a bit, but at the same time it wasn't an easy win situation.


Im pretty sure that at around 36ish minutes Hero could have a moved with his carriers in one place and then recalled to the next and then vortex with the archons too, that would have been the easiest engagement, i mean the only vortex he landed, 10 of his carriers were elsewhere for no reason :/
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
June 27 2012 00:30 GMT
#274
On June 27 2012 09:27 ZenithM wrote:
I soooo want to see MKP, but I guess it won't happen. At least show me one Prime Terran :'(

Taeja is fine too.
MCXD
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Australia2738 Posts
June 27 2012 00:30 GMT
#275
This is actually all part of the plan.

5th player will be a surprise player, SuperNoVa! And on his liquid debut, will score the reverse all kill to win the match for his new team!
IchibanBaka
Profile Joined January 2011
United States12 Posts
June 27 2012 00:30 GMT
#276
TaeJa fighting!
monk
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States8476 Posts
June 27 2012 00:30 GMT
#277
On June 27 2012 09:27 Chewbacca. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2012 09:24 Dodgin wrote:
lol at everyone in this thread saying carriers are bad, hero just didn't play it out correctly.


Pretty much this. If Hero just attacked with his carrier/archon/full energy mothership when he first got them he could of easily won. Instead he did all sorts of mini attacks and lost a ton of gas, including basically all of his archons leaving his mothership a whole hell of a lot less scary.

I didn't watch the game too closely, but I suspect something like this happened. Carrier mothership archon templar is pretty much unbeatable if you just straight up siege with the carriers instead of cute recall tactics, randomly losing stray carriers and archons.
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iAmJeffReY
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4262 Posts
June 27 2012 00:31 GMT
#278
And yet a lot of good Prime has yet to come out. The two kings, maru, creator, and BBong.... lotta good stuff left for prime.
Unbiased biased terran abuser Jeffrey. Sorry for the rage, friend!
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
June 27 2012 00:31 GMT
#279
On June 27 2012 09:28 Zath.erin wrote:
Please don't use this game to balance cry, you'll only make your self look really foolish and uninformed. It's clear as day that hero threw that game.


This post is 100% correct.
When I think of something else, something will go here
Zacsafus
Profile Joined May 2010
England255 Posts
June 27 2012 00:31 GMT
#280
On June 27 2012 09:28 woody60707 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2012 09:23 Slardar wrote:
I COME BACK FROM DINNER BEING LIKE OK....... HerO has this 100% and I COME BACK TO "AND ANNYEONG WINS!!" ........



WHAT THE HELL?!!!

The guy invests in 30 corruptors......just mass stalker and kill him.


He can't, not with all those FG ready to use on the stalkers. This is why late game PvZ will always end with how well a toss can use vortex vs a zerg stopping it. Hero tried changing the meta game up, but I'm not sure how you can in this end game PvZ type game.

TLDR: toss end game is OP with vortex, Zerg end game is OP with no vortex.


u mean zerg end game is op with no vortex, and a coin flip of OP or manageable with vortex

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