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No what happens is people register for the tournament and then their name appears in the list up until 1 hour before the tournament starts. When check in begins the list shows the players which have checked in and not just the players who have registered.
So what happened is: - Huk registered and appears in the list - Check in begins and Huk no longer appears in the list - Huk checks in and shows up on the list once again
No what happens is people register for the tournament and then their name appears in the list up until 1 hour before the tournament starts. When check in begins the list shows the players which have checked in and not just the players who have registered.
So what happened is: - Huk registered and appears in the list - Check in begins and Huk no longer appears in the list - Huk checks in and shows up on the list once again
On June 27 2012 00:28 Serinox wrote: Hm, got BabyKnight in the first round. Even though I'm a silver player I atleast hoped for a semi-pro or below skill wise :/
On June 27 2012 00:41 LeLfe wrote: potential SeleCT - Adelscott in round3, would be nice
Grubby - Socke potential r3 aswell :S Or is it? You never know with these cell spacing.. -_-
Normally the bracket is all messed up on my laptop with the spacing, but on the computer I'm on now it makes perfect sense to me. Must be a monitor thing.
On June 27 2012 00:53 Get.Midikem wrote: nkr 1-0 socke jellikit 1-0 pink
lol
Jellikit is pretty good, he beat me 1v1 once . Also he beat LzGamer and took a game of Trimaster in a earlier TSL qualifier. Pink did make it to the semi-finals in a earlier TSL qualifier but he isn't really known so dunno if upset.
On June 27 2012 00:41 LeLfe wrote: potential SeleCT - Adelscott in round3, would be nice
Grubby - Socke potential r3 aswell :S Or is it? You never know with these cell spacing.. -_-
Normally the bracket is all messed up on my laptop with the spacing, but on the computer I'm on now it makes perfect sense to me. Must be a monitor thing.
Resolution on ur comp? That might be the case.. i'm on 1920x1080 and it's kinda fucked up to say it nice. :/
All hail Memph! Just watching the replay, and it's a legit 16 minute game. Early hidden expo from Memph was huge, but he micro'd and macro'd really well to take the win! O_O
On June 27 2012 01:03 tree.hugger wrote: All hail Memph! Just watching the replay, and it's a legit 16 minute game. Early hidden expo from Memph was huge, but he micro'd and macro'd really well to take the win! O_O
Do you have any info about the last replays on the korean one?
On June 27 2012 01:22 StarStruck wrote: I found it funny when I found Stephano at the top of the bracket and HuK all the way at the bottom only to get beat in the first round.
I also find it funny that a lot of the big guns qualifying their first time through the qualifer. From Nerchio to SaSe to MaNa.
That ladder match between Lucifron and Stephano while waiting for next round was insane. They always have amazing TvZ's. GG Luci, Hope you win it all.!
On June 27 2012 01:30 A.Delicious.Yoghurt wrote: That ladder match between Lucifron and Stephano while waiting for next round was insane. They always have amazing TvZ's. GG Luci, Hope you win it all.!
if spanish starts beating french at starcraft too, war is near
On June 27 2012 01:30 A.Delicious.Yoghurt wrote: That ladder match between Lucifron and Stephano while waiting for next round was insane. They always have amazing TvZ's. GG Luci, Hope you win it all.!
if spanish starts beating french at starcraft too, war is near
On June 27 2012 01:42 SilSol wrote: stephano vs hazed was pretty intense for sure.
pretty one -sided. the all in was never going to work and then it was just 3 base stephano to 2 base hazed for the rest of the game.. wouldn't say it was intense or close tbh.
Goodgod are these casters annoying. The last time i watched is when they casted DBS - Lalush and were euphoric after DBS successfully bunker rushed and proclaimed it the best game ever.
apparently Bischu pylon blocked the wall of qxc, and made a gate off the pylon. The probe killed the scvs making the rax and two zeelots were able to make some damage.
Goodgod are these casters annoysing. The last time i watched is when they casted DBS - Lalush and were euphoric after DBS successfully bunker rushed and proclaimed it the best game ever.
I've decided to mute them lol.
Can anybody explain what craziness happened at the start? I turned it on to see an un-powered gate and zealots in QXCs main.
Goodgod are these casters annoysing. The last time i watched is when they casted DBS - Lalush and were euphoric after DBS successfully bunker rushed and proclaimed it the best game ever.
I've decided to mute them lol.
Can anybody explain what craziness happened at the start? I turned it on to see an un-powered gate and zealots in QXCs main.
The problem is that they know nothing about the game. Seriously nothing. I'm not sure they play the game at all. Arrrr.... "and we see a sensor tower.... i love this, we never see sensor towers blablabla".
Bischu build a pylon and gate on qxc's walloff and made 2 zealots to harass and cannon expand freely.
On June 27 2012 01:54 KalWarkov wrote: what happened to HuK?
he lost.
On June 27 2012 01:03 tree.hugger wrote: All hail Memph! Just watching the replay, and it's a legit 16 minute game. Early hidden expo from Memph was huge, but he micro'd and macro'd really well to take the win! O_O
On June 27 2012 01:47 DOUDOU wrote: i can't wait for the flame to begin when msi pro cup and TL qualifier will interlace and stephano has to forfeit one of them :D
He should have the time to play both. He has to play 2 Bo3 in an hour and a half (until quarters) and then 1 or 2 Bo3 in the MSI Pro Cup and then he can finish the Qualifiers before the cast.
On June 27 2012 01:55 Topin wrote: mycerion have enough points for TSL4? gogo ppls champion
No he needs to get quite a few points. He only has 62 and the current cutoff is 83. He has 73 technically if you add in the minimum 11 from today. Still needs more
Pregame chat Stephano vs Bly game 2: S: Go? B: Casters asking to be let in S: They don't want to see 6 pool I'm pretty sure *starts game countdown* B: :D
Was hoping for a second 6 pool, it would have worked too^^
On June 27 2012 02:05 sAKecOkE wrote: Pregame chat Stephano vs Bly game 2: S: Go? B: Casters asking to be let in S: They don't want to see 6 pool I'm pretty sure *starts game countdown* B: :D
Was hoping for a second 6 pool, it would have worked too^^
A 14 pool is completely safe against a 6pool + drones on Ohana if you have Stephano's micro.
On June 27 2012 02:29 Quakie wrote: lol. Stephano said "he could not play any longer". Gotta be sorry for Bly in that case.
What you mean? He's done for today forfeiting his next match? X_x
Could be possible, he has MSI pro cup #11, and he couldnt attend #9 and #10 because he forfeited like dimaga. Mil manager (lewellis) got rly angry (and i mean rly) so he might want to participate this time.
On June 27 2012 02:29 Quakie wrote: lol. Stephano said "he could not play any longer". Gotta be sorry for Bly in that case.
What you mean? He's done for today forfeiting his next match? X_x
Could be possible, he has MSI pro cup #11, and he couldnt attend #9 and #10 because he forfeited like dimaga. Mil manager (lewellis) got rly angry (and i mean rly) so he might want to participate this time.
but this time he has a legit excuse, that's not like llewelys don't know when tsl qualifier are >_<
On June 27 2012 02:26 LeLfe wrote: Beastyqt reaches ro16 and is guaranteed to overtake goody in the ranking, at least 92point, jonnyrecco could be in the same situation
Yeah, Goody was definitely out because even if a newcomer took 2nd place, they'd be set to overtake him with 100 points. Aside from whoever takes second, Beastyqt and JonnyRecco, Mycerion and Ret, are poised to break into the top 8 by making it to the quarter-finals and semi-finals, respectively. No one other than Goody should get demoted, although there will be a lot of ties at 100 points. Going into the second set of 5 qualifiers, second place along should no longer guarantee a spot in the top 8. And some of the better players like Huk (and maybe Stephano) are going to find themselves in an uphill battle to qualify unless they're able to take 1st place in one of these qualifiers.
On June 27 2012 02:29 Quakie wrote: lol. Stephano said "he could not play any longer". Gotta be sorry for Bly in that case.
What you mean? He's done for today forfeiting his next match? X_x
Could be possible, he has MSI pro cup #11, and he couldnt attend #9 and #10 because he forfeited like dimaga. Mil manager (lewellis) got rly angry (and i mean rly) so he might want to participate this time.
but this time he has a legit excuse, that's not like llewelys don't know when tsl qualifier are >_<
Well that's not like he didn't know he had to play MSI cup today...
On June 27 2012 02:38 Tommylew wrote: comeon Jonnyrecco and Zikimnto!!! do UK proud!!
looks like Zik just advanced if Stephano has to play in a different tournament and has to forfeit. That's who he was supposed to play next. I guess we wait and see
On June 27 2012 02:37 Shellshock1122 wrote: MYCERION 2-0 Hummingb1rd!!!
Great for Mycerion - keep piling on the points. I would have been happy with either player winning. Hopefully Hummingb1rd can make another run tomorrow or next week.
On June 27 2012 02:29 Quakie wrote: lol. Stephano said "he could not play any longer". Gotta be sorry for Bly in that case.
What you mean? He's done for today forfeiting his next match? X_x
Could be possible, he has MSI pro cup #11, and he couldnt attend #9 and #10 because he forfeited like dimaga. Mil manager (lewellis) got rly angry (and i mean rly) so he might want to participate this time.
but this time he has a legit excuse, that's not like llewelys don't know when tsl qualifier are >_<
At the same time Stephano knew these cups would overlap.......
On June 27 2012 02:29 Quakie wrote: lol. Stephano said "he could not play any longer". Gotta be sorry for Bly in that case.
What you mean? He's done for today forfeiting his next match? X_x
Could be possible, he has MSI pro cup #11, and he couldnt attend #9 and #10 because he forfeited like dimaga. Mil manager (lewellis) got rly angry (and i mean rly) so he might want to participate this time.
but this time he has a legit excuse, that's not like llewelys don't know when tsl qualifier are >_<
At the same time Stephano knew these cups would overlap.......
Maybe he just went to get wasted and wont play in either of them.
On June 27 2012 02:29 Quakie wrote: lol. Stephano said "he could not play any longer". Gotta be sorry for Bly in that case.
What you mean? He's done for today forfeiting his next match? X_x
Could be possible, he has MSI pro cup #11, and he couldnt attend #9 and #10 because he forfeited like dimaga. Mil manager (lewellis) got rly angry (and i mean rly) so he might want to participate this time.
but this time he has a legit excuse, that's not like llewelys don't know when tsl qualifier are >_<
At the same time Stephano knew these cups would overlap.......
At the same time stephano is shown to not give a fuck
On June 27 2012 02:29 Quakie wrote: lol. Stephano said "he could not play any longer". Gotta be sorry for Bly in that case.
What you mean? He's done for today forfeiting his next match? X_x
Could be possible, he has MSI pro cup #11, and he couldnt attend #9 and #10 because he forfeited like dimaga. Mil manager (lewellis) got rly angry (and i mean rly) so he might want to participate this time.
but this time he has a legit excuse, that's not like llewelys don't know when tsl qualifier are >_<
Well that's not like he didn't know he had to play MSI cup today...
But it makes sense for Stephano to play anyway and accrue some qualifying points for TSL4.
On June 27 2012 02:40 bbm wrote: Stephano got a walkover over bly???? What i'm completely confused now
stephano won 2-1 but he probably just didnt upload replays or whatever and they went ahead and advanced him in the bracket. it probably just says 0-0 because nothing was submitted
On June 27 2012 02:29 Quakie wrote: lol. Stephano said "he could not play any longer". Gotta be sorry for Bly in that case.
What you mean? He's done for today forfeiting his next match? X_x
Could be possible, he has MSI pro cup #11, and he couldnt attend #9 and #10 because he forfeited like dimaga. Mil manager (lewellis) got rly angry (and i mean rly) so he might want to participate this time.
but this time he has a legit excuse, that's not like llewelys don't know when tsl qualifier are >_<
At the same time Stephano knew these cups would overlap.......
He did, but he wanted to play TSL quals up to the Ro16 because of the scoring system. His problem was not playing in the first four qualifiers - now he has to maximize his performance in every qual in order to have a shot at qualifying.
Maybe getting a few points before having to leave for MSI Pro Cup was worth it to him... Can't really blame him this time, since every point counts :/
As for Bly, well it's sad but Bly DID lose. (if they actually played) I don't see how it sucks for him. It sucks for the show, it's luck for the next guy who gets a freewin, but the ones who lost... well... lost.
On June 27 2012 02:43 Nouar wrote: Maybe getting a few points before having to leave for MSI Pro Cup was worth it to him... Can't really blame him this time, since every point counts :/
As for Bly, well it's sad but Bly DID lose. (if they actually played) I don't see how it sucks for him. It sucks for the show, it's luck for the next guy who gets a freewin, but the ones who lost... well... lost.
About 9,000 people saw Bly lose to Stephano on Stephano's stream. So they did play.
On June 27 2012 02:41 ibo422 wrote: I so hope Bly gets through in that case.. then again, do any tl admin give a fuck about that?!..
Why should Bly go through? Stephano did´nt play for nothing, he played for 21 points.
Exactly what i think. That's stephano's point although i dislike what he did there.
But then again i love TL drama :D
How can you dislike what he did? he did nothing wrong. He knew he had MSI pro cup so at 20.00 so why shoulnt he enter TSL quallifier 3 hours before and get some points?!
On June 27 2012 02:43 menden wrote: No, i don't think he forfeited as to my knowledge, ro16 for TSL4 Q are played at 23h CEST. At 20h CEST or so (i don't know the exact scheduling) he will play MSI Pro Cup.
(At least that's what i understand from what i read on Millenium Website)
On June 27 2012 02:41 ibo422 wrote: I so hope Bly gets through in that case.. then again, do any tl admin give a fuck about that?!..
Why should Bly go through? Stephano did´nt play for nothing, he played for 21 points.
Exactly what i think. That's stephano's point although i dislike what he did there.
But then again i love TL drama :D
We should hear what the rules are first i think, if he indeed can do that for 21 points. Good for him. I would be fine with taking his points away to. No idea what TL refs use for this kind of situation tbh.
They must be thinking of doing something with that result.
Players may not play in another tournament that conflicts with TL Open play time. Referees may disqualify players that delay the TL Open due to scheduling conflicts.
On June 27 2012 02:43 menden wrote: No, i don't think he forfeited as to my knowledge, ro16 for TSL4 Q are played at 23h CEST. At 20h CEST or so (i don't know the exact scheduling) he will play MSI Pro Cup.
(At least that's what i understand from what i read on Millenium Website)
That is plain wrong. They may cast them later but they don't play that late.
On June 27 2012 02:41 ibo422 wrote: I so hope Bly gets through in that case.. then again, do any tl admin give a fuck about that?!..
Why should Bly go through? Stephano did´nt play for nothing, he played for 21 points.
Exactly what i think. That's stephano's point although i dislike what he did there.
But then again i love TL drama :D
How can you dislike what he did he did nothing wrong. He knew he had MSI pro cup so at 20.00 so why shoulnt he enter TSL quallifier 3 hours before and get some points!
why should i not dislike that he forfeited a tournament?
I understand it's a tournament with a point sistem. That doesn't change the fact that i can dislike someone forfeiting the tournament before the end.
On June 27 2012 02:43 menden wrote: No, i don't think he forfeited as to my knowledge, ro16 for TSL4 Q are played at 23h CEST. At 20h CEST or so (i don't know the exact scheduling) he will play MSI Pro Cup.
(At least that's what i understand from what i read on Millenium Website)
They are casted at 23h. They are played before. But maybe Stephano manages to sneak in another Bo3 or two.
On June 27 2012 02:43 menden wrote: No, i don't think he forfeited as to my knowledge, ro16 for TSL4 Q are played at 23h CEST. At 20h CEST or so (i don't know the exact scheduling) he will play MSI Pro Cup.
(At least that's what i understand from what i read on Millenium Website)
On June 27 2012 02:47 Elios wrote: To people talking about bly getting the spot ...
he lost 2-1 and BM the whole sseries with pauses ...
I'm sorry but it was Stephano that paused without announcing.
you don't need to announce your pause. but bly didn't bm with pauses at all from what i saw
It's not bm, but you definintly should type pp before pausing the game. I think it's common good behaviour.
I think he paused just to take a moment to think about what to do. Was at particularly crucial moment in the game, in terms of decision making. I'm not sure what to think about that, seems like that isn't what the pause function is for.
On June 27 2012 02:43 menden wrote: No, i don't think he forfeited as to my knowledge, ro16 for TSL4 Q are played at 23h CEST. At 20h CEST or so (i don't know the exact scheduling) he will play MSI Pro Cup.
(At least that's what i understand from what i read on Millenium Website)
No. Ro16 is played in a few minutes (says so right now on the notepad on Ret's stream), and have been for the last few qualifiers. Only the last games are streamed a bit later.
On June 27 2012 02:47 Elios wrote: To people talking about bly getting the spot ...
he lost 2-1 and BM the whole sseries with pauses ...
I'm sorry but it was Stephano that paused without announcing.
you don't need to announce your pause. but bly didn't bm with pauses at all from what i saw
It's not bm, but you definintly should type pp before pausing the game. I think it's common good behaviour.
I think he paused just to take a moment to think about what to do. Was at particularly crucial moment in the game, in terms of decision making. I'm not sure what to think about that, seems like that isn't what the pause function is for.
stop it with your stupid non sense, the fps was shown on his stream everytime he paused he was between 3-6 FPS
Players may not play in another tournament that conflicts with TL Open play time. Referees may disqualify players that delay the TL Open due to scheduling conflicts.
Hmmmmm might be, but since he forfeited, he didn't delay the tournament (auto-disqualified), so from this line only, I don't think they can remove his points or whatever. Still not cool, but understandable.
On June 27 2012 02:47 Elios wrote: To people talking about bly getting the spot ...
he lost 2-1 and BM the whole sseries with pauses ...
I'm sorry but it was Stephano that paused without announcing.
you don't need to announce your pause. but bly didn't bm with pauses at all from what i saw
It's not bm, but you definintly should type pp before pausing the game. I think it's common good behaviour.
I think he paused just to take a moment to think about what to do. Was at particularly crucial moment in the game, in terms of decision making. I'm not sure what to think about that, seems like that isn't what the pause function is for.
stop it with your stupid non sense, the fps was shown on his stream everytime he paused he was between 3-6 FPS
Yeps thats why that match was so sick so low fps and somehow he still made an epic comeback
Players may not play in another tournament that conflicts with TL Open play time. Referees may disqualify players that delay the TL Open due to scheduling conflicts.
On June 27 2012 02:47 Elios wrote: To people talking about bly getting the spot ...
he lost 2-1 and BM the whole sseries with pauses ...
I'm sorry but it was Stephano that paused without announcing.
you don't need to announce your pause. but bly didn't bm with pauses at all from what i saw
It's not bm, but you definintly should type pp before pausing the game. I think it's common good behaviour.
I think he paused just to take a moment to think about what to do. Was at particularly crucial moment in the game, in terms of decision making. I'm not sure what to think about that, seems like that isn't what the pause function is for.
stop it with your stupid non sense, the fps was shown on his stream everytime he paused he was between 3-6 FPS
On June 27 2012 02:48 Irave wrote: They must be thinking of doing something with that result.
Players may not play in another tournament that conflicts with TL Open play time. Referees may disqualify players that delay the TL Open due to scheduling conflicts.
Interesting.... Simply interesting....
But if he forfeits he doesn't delay it. The question is, will he? My fork is ready.
On June 27 2012 02:59 StarVe wrote: Oh, so many conflicting tournaments, damn it. Doesn't all work out.
I actually think it is a good thing in a way. It just shows how thriving the SC2 foreign scene is currently. Top players have so many chances to play in tournaments for money. Compare that with foreign BW (or other computer games) currently. Obviously it means some clashes/double-bookings occur, but that is a preferable situation than only one tournament every few months or so.
On June 27 2012 02:59 StarVe wrote: Oh, so many conflicting tournaments, damn it. Doesn't all work out.
I actually think it is a good thing in a way. It just shows how thriving the SC2 foreign scene is currently. Top players have so many chances to play in tournaments for money. Compare that with foreign BW (or other computer games) currently. Obviously it means some clashes/double-bookings occur, but that is a preferable situation than only one tournament every few months or so.
Yeah, of course, I was just getting really worried we'd see a walkover because Fraer should have started playing a BO5 against Titan in Ritmix RSL ten minutes ago, but apparently he's playing the TSL BO3 first.
On June 27 2012 03:03 sixfour wrote: they'd better not give bly a free win
That would be pretty much the dumbest decision with a tiered point system >.>
they have to just give zikto a bye over stephano right? thats the only "fair" way?
If Stephano has forfeited due to MSI Pro Cup, then that is the only way to resolve the issue fairly. If they disqualify Stephano and strip him of qualifying points that he had legitimately earned through winning over earlier opponents, then they set an incredibly bad precedent that could destroy the entire concept of fair play during these qualifiers. In order to avoid losing ALL accrued pts that day, players with a clash of tournaments coming up, instead of forfeiting would instead play to deliberately lose and thus maintain pts gained up to that round. Players actually throwing matches to avoid disqualification would render the entire qualification process a farce.
On June 27 2012 03:03 sixfour wrote: they'd better not give bly a free win
That would be pretty much the dumbest decision with a tiered point system >.>
they have to just give zikto a bye over stephano right? thats the only "fair" way?
If Stephano has forfeited due to MSI Pro Cup, then that is the only way to resolve the issue fairly. If they disqualify Stephano and strip him of qualifying points that he had legitimately earned through winning over earlier opponents, then they set an incredibly bad precedent that could destroy the entire concept of fair play during these qualifiers. In order to avoid losing ALL accrued pts that day, players with a clash of tournaments coming up, instead of forfeiting would instead play to deliberately lose and thus maintain pts gained up to that round. Players actually throwing matches to avoid disqualification would render the entire qualification process a farce.
if Stephano reported the win and uploaded the replays vs Bly then yes , but I am not sure if he did , as it still is 0-0 in the bracket. If he didn't you could make the case that he forfeited vs Bly already as he never technically finished the match vs Bly.
On June 27 2012 03:03 sixfour wrote: they'd better not give bly a free win
That would be pretty much the dumbest decision with a tiered point system >.>
they have to just give zikto a bye over stephano right? thats the only "fair" way?
If Stephano has forfeited due to MSI Pro Cup, then that is the only way to resolve the issue fairly. If they disqualify Stephano and strip him of qualifying points that he had legitimately earned through winning over earlier opponents, then they set an incredibly bad precedent that could destroy the entire concept of fair play during these qualifiers. In order to avoid losing ALL accrued pts that day, players with a clash of tournaments coming up, instead of forfeiting would instead play to deliberately lose and thus maintain pts gained up to that round. Players actually throwing matches to avoid disqualification would render the entire qualification process a farce.
if Stephano reported the win and uploaded the replays vs Bly then yes , but I am not sure if he did , as it still is 0-0 in the bracket. If he didn't you could make the case that he forfeited vs Bly already as he never technically finished the match vs Bly.
I should tell Harstem that he cannot attack up ramps where more colossus than he has are waiting. Should have teched up... Or attacked directly after he broke the contain
I hope mycerion qualifies because first it'd be cool to see an Estonian (I like players from countries without any SC stars) in a major tournament and this guy keeps making it deep unexpectedly.
On June 27 2012 03:47 TheBanana wrote: Bad qualifier for the top 8 in points.
That makes it more interesting further down the line
Definitely, and the people I mostly want to finish top 8 are below the line, so good day for me. Better if they'd still be in it, but can't win them all.
On June 27 2012 03:52 StarVe wrote: So Fraer will get walkovered vs Ret, since they started the timer. No way he's finishing a BO5 so fast, even if it's PvP.
On June 27 2012 03:52 StarVe wrote: So Fraer will get walkovered vs Ret, since they started the timer. No way he's finishing a BO5 so fast, even if it's PvP.
ret already won both games in RO16?
Yes. Fraer is playing a BO5 against Titan in RSL right now, and he's only 1-1 with seven minutes left to show up before he gets a FF loss in the first game against Ret and seventeen minutes until he gets a FF loss in the second game.
On June 27 2012 03:52 StarVe wrote: So Fraer will get walkovered vs Ret, since they started the timer. No way he's finishing a BO5 so fast, even if it's PvP.
ret already won both games in RO16?
Yes. Fraer is playing a BO5 against Titan in RSL right now, and he's only 1-1 with seven minutes left to show up before he gets a FF loss in the first game against Ret and seventeen minutes until he gets a FF loss in the second game.
If that is the case, Fraer should hope he does not lose against Titan, as playing it has caused him to 'lose' against Ret.
On June 27 2012 04:03 Shartugal wrote: Stephano just forfeited, does anybody know why?
Yes. He has to play in MSI Pro Cup tonight against SuperNova. The tournament is being run by his team Millenium, and he cannot miss it as he previously got in trouble for missing one a few months ago.
On June 27 2012 04:12 SilSol wrote: Which stream is Zikto or Kiwi playing on atm? OO;
Ro8 is cast from replays (or should be, KR was breaking rules)
Semis/finals are cast by TL
Edit: So, no stream atm
Umm... wasn't Ret also about to stream his Ro8 games vs fraer if they actually happened?
Afaik you aren't supposed to stream the Ro8 games.
I won't disagree because honestly I have no idea myself, but as another example, Axeltoss as well as z33k.tv are streaming Happy vs BabyKnight as it is being played live, right this moment.
Either way, I'm pretty excited for the rest of the games in the tournament. ^^
Baby walked his deathball directly under it without seeing the dot and the zealots just evaporated. His immediate typed exclamation of "OGMS-PPPASDOIH" pretty much says it all.
On June 27 2012 04:46 Sp00ly wrote: Oh wow Happy with the sweet nukes.
Happy is playing this quite well, but honestly I think BabyKnight's play is a little sloppy, especially the way he forgot those upgrades. He could have harassed with a warp prism or something before Happy almost mined out most of his side of the map. Either way, a very very entertaining game. Hope the rest are equally good. ^^
Just a little bit sad that these epic games are delaying the semis and finals being played and consequently their being casted. ;_;
On June 27 2012 04:55 Yello wrote: Does Happy think this is bo1 or does he always play his TvP that patient and slow?
Happy is infamous for TvP's like these.
I remember an insane game on Tal'Darim a while back, I think in DreamHack against... ToD was it? Where near the end Happy only had battlecruisers and mules and was quite close to winning several times but ended up losing eventually. Epic late-game TvPs indeed.
Happy doing a good job abusing Terran advantages in the super late game - constantly sniping observers, massing orbitals and nuking to gain better positions. And also mass Ghost, pretty good.
On June 27 2012 04:58 Toadvine wrote: Happy doing a good job abusing Terran advantages in the super late game - constantly sniping observers, massing orbitals and nuking to gain better positions. And also mass Ghost, pretty good.
Honestly I think BabyKnight should have just not let it get to that point. He let Happy not only get more bases than him but also mine them out completely uncontested. Not to mention his forgetting his weapon (and shield, I guess) upgrades for a long time. But yeah, Happy played this really well.
watch happy play and learn TvP lategame guys... just build ghosts vikings and medivacs, not fucking 100 supply of marine marodeur and 5 ghosts to then whinea bout P imba lategame.
On June 27 2012 04:58 Toadvine wrote: Happy doing a good job abusing Terran advantages in the super late game - constantly sniping observers, massing orbitals and nuking to gain better positions. And also mass Ghost, pretty good.
Honestly I think BabyKnight should have just not let it get to that point. He let Happy not only get more bases than him but also mine them out completely uncontested. Not to mention his forgetting his weapon (and shield, I guess) upgrades for a long time. But yeah, Happy played this really well.
not letting get it to that point is pretty easily said from your perspective, probably without knowing a lot about this game even.
On June 27 2012 05:02 KalWarkov wrote: watch happy play and learn TvP lategame guys... just build ghosts vikings and medivacs, not fucking 100 supply of marine marodeur and 5 ghosts to then whinea bout P imba lategame.
yeah protoss should just make collosus ht with no gateway units.
On June 27 2012 04:58 Toadvine wrote: Happy doing a good job abusing Terran advantages in the super late game - constantly sniping observers, massing orbitals and nuking to gain better positions. And also mass Ghost, pretty good.
Abusing your race's advantages - A sign of a very good player.
On June 27 2012 04:58 Toadvine wrote: Happy doing a good job abusing Terran advantages in the super late game - constantly sniping observers, massing orbitals and nuking to gain better positions. And also mass Ghost, pretty good.
Honestly I think BabyKnight should have just not let it get to that point. He let Happy not only get more bases than him but also mine them out completely uncontested. Not to mention his forgetting his weapon (and shield, I guess) upgrades for a long time. But yeah, Happy played this really well.
not letting get it to that point is pretty easily said from your perspective, probably without knowing a lot about this game even.
Maybe, I'm just thinking that with all the HTs he had, he probably could have spared a few and go for a sneaky storm drop before Happy had a massive econ advantage and huge bank. It's just my speculation, nothing more. ^^
On June 27 2012 05:09 serojananda wrote: So, what`s the status of Fraer-Ret match? Did Fraer get a tech lose? Or they are still waiting for the games to start?
On June 27 2012 05:09 serojananda wrote: So, what`s the status of Fraer-Ret match? Did Fraer get a tech lose? Or they are still waiting for the games to start?
Ret was given a 2-0 Walkover
Ah, what a pity! I am sure Fraer would have won against Ret. It seems we will have to wait until next qualification...
On June 27 2012 05:09 serojananda wrote: So, what`s the status of Fraer-Ret match? Did Fraer get a tech lose? Or they are still waiting for the games to start?
Ret was given a 2-0 Walkover
Ah, what a pity! I am sure Fraer would have won against Ret. It seems we will have to wait until next qualification...
Ret's gonna win this qualifier.... so perhaps in the TSL4 itself
On June 27 2012 04:58 Toadvine wrote: Happy doing a good job abusing Terran advantages in the super late game - constantly sniping observers, massing orbitals and nuking to gain better positions. And also mass Ghost, pretty good.
Abusing your race's advantages - A sign of a very good player.
Exactly my point. This is actually a good way to capitalize on an advantage in lategame TvP. The counter to what happy did would be a lot of warp prism play, mass zealot warpins into the main and outlying expos. However, you can't really afford to do that in the situation BabyKnight was in without losing your 4th to a counter.
BabyKnight with the calculated risk of an early 3rd only to let Happy back in the game with very sloppy army control. Meanwhile, Happy, despite his early indecissiveness, managed to take every opportunity given to him to get back into this. Pretty sloppy game overall, especially compared to the first one. Rooting for Happy to take it honestly.
God even Babyknight can't fuck up enough to overcome the advantage the 3nexus gave him. Terrible engagement on terrible engagement and he still is winning. I guess Happy had instant BO loss when he didn't immediately see 3rd nexus though.
On June 27 2012 05:43 Syfiass wrote: On which stream will we see semis and finals? it says gretorp and MrBitter as caster but there is no link :/
The official Teamliquid stream will go live when the semis/finals are ready to be cast. Just keep an eye on the countdown timer on the top of TL.net and then a link will eventually appear under TSL 4 Q7 on the right side where the Axeltoss/z33k streams are now.
Awesome stuff! My Hasu/Ret finals prediction made back in the Ro32 might just happen! I don't know anything about BabyKnight, but HasuObs is a very strong player and has my bet for advancing... though it is PvP, and if BabyKnight's made it to the quarterfinals, he's most likely able to walk the walk. As for Ret and KawaiiRice, I feel it's a safe choice to vote on Ret comfortably defeating Kawaii. No insult to Kawaii, but barring some severe mistakes by Ret, most would agree that the Terran player is the underdog in this set.
With any luck, we'll soon see a sick ZvP finals. Go, Ret and Hasu!
On June 27 2012 06:06 Archas wrote: Awesome stuff! My Hasu/Ret finals prediction made back in the Ro32 might just happen! I don't know anything about BabyKnight, but HasuObs is a very strong player and has my bet for advancing... though it is PvP, and if BabyKnight's made it to the quarterfinals, he's most likely able to walk the walk. As for Ret and KawaiiRice, I feel it's a safe choice to vote on Ret comfortably defeating Kawaii. No insult to Kawaii, but barring some severe mistakes by Ret, most would agree that the Terran player is the underdog in this set.
With any luck, we'll soon see a sick ZvP finals. Go, Ret and Hasu!
If I'm not mistaken, Babyknight is quite strong in PvP. I haven't seen much of his play but I remember him 2-0'ing PvP specialist Elfi at CPH Games.
His TLPD also shows a 67 % winrate in PvP. So he probably has a decent shot against Hasu.
On June 27 2012 06:28 DOUDOU wrote: oh god, my eyes! it burns!!!!
why? stronger color mod? why?
I think all the qualifiers use it. At least the Korean one with Apollo did. The banelings are the worst.
it's like playing one shitty FPS with all their bloom and shit, but with gamma pushed to the max, i wish i could spot banelings, but my eyes can't stand their sight for more than a sec, I'm scared to loose sight, it's probably just safer to look directly at the sun
Really well played by Kawaii there, although I hope Ret can pull out a win in game 3. Anyone know what was up with that comment at the end by Ret? Is one of them super tired or something?
On June 27 2012 06:48 eieio wrote: Really well played by Kawaii there, although I hope Ret can pull out a win in game 3. Anyone know what was up with that comment at the end by Ret? Is one of them super tired or something?
Kawaii prob didnt sleep that much since the tournament starts pretty early for US players, atleast if you are westcoast. Not sure where kawaii lives tho!
ret did play well. But he lack in the macro part that game. The decision making wasn't at top when he made all those banelings all the time. But i think ret meant that hes tired and haven't slept much so I hope he can do well last game for sure!
On June 27 2012 06:49 FuzzyJAM wrote: Ret's macro seemed to be way below what he's capable of that game and his engagements were kind of bad too. Pretty disappointing to be honest.
Hopefully he plays better in the next one. :|
It looked like he had a clear game plan in his mind but then the QXC bunkers screwed everything up in his head as he realised he had no way to break them until the end the drone cycle and an additional cycle.
On June 27 2012 06:50 SilSol wrote: ret did play well. But he lack in the macro part that game. The decision making wasn't at top when he made all those banelings all the time. But i think ret meant that hes tired and haven't slept much so I hope he can do well last game for sure!
Actually Ret was referring to Kawaii not sleeping, which Kawaii himself mentioned a couple of times earlier in the tournament when he was streaming, something about hoping for people to beat him just so he can go to sleep (obviously that didn't happen yet ^^)
I'm also rooting for Ret. Time to put that talent into results, eh? ^^
On June 27 2012 06:50 SilSol wrote: ret did play well. But he lack in the macro part that game. The decision making wasn't at top when he made all those banelings all the time. But i think ret meant that hes tired and haven't slept much so I hope he can do well last game for sure!
Actually Ret was referring to Kawaii not sleeping, which Kawaii himself mentioned a couple of times earlier in the tournament when he was streaming, something about hoping for people to beat him just so he can go to sleep (obviously that didn't happen yet ^^)
I'm also rooting for Ret. Time to put that talent into results, eh? ^^
oh i'm sorry my bad! Of course kawaii is from the US. I misstyped so much there i'm actually quite sleepy myself. yeah ret is capable of a lot more and we all knows it. Kawaii isn't bad at all though.
Aaah the American and terran hope falls today, well played by kawaii hopefully he'll get a better result when he gets to play at a better time for him.
good job ret! those banelings were handsome. That muta harass damaged kawaii more than ppl thought it would. The first attack towards the main with banelings/ling/mutalisk was pretty ok for kawaii. Second one was frightening.
On June 27 2012 07:07 Roggay wrote: YAY nice ret!!! I wish the twitch chat was moderated tho :/ So many randoms whining about balance EVERY TIME a zerg win a game.
You just have to learn how to ignore the chatrooms when watching streams. Just ignore it. Mostly those who spams in the chat are diamond and lower ranked players.
On June 27 2012 07:07 Roggay wrote: YAY nice ret!!! I wish the twitch chat was moderated tho :/ So many randoms whining about balance EVERY TIME a zerg win a game.
You just have to learn how to ignore the chatrooms when watching streams. Just ignore it. Mostly those who spams in the chat are diamond and lower ranked players.
Some moderated chats are very nice tho, but I guess those are player's chat and not tournament chats.
Gretorp saying 1base all in is the best choice? When he's got the tech advantage and at least simular army size, he should expand since BabyKnight doesn't have a way to punish it.
very good play by Hasuobs for sure! that warpin zealots in babyknights exp just tortured him so much. And the immortal choice was a really good one. Nice micro and overall well played!
Ahh that game wasn't that enjoyable at all. Cannon rush ends up with a disaster and the followup is obviously dark shrine. Well the third game will be a horror i bet
I don't think Gretorp understands PvP at all... on 1base all in it's not at all true that 3 sentries = 6 stalkers... He can't spend enough gas compared to minerals
This last game was a terror like i said. Very well played by both players but HasuObs was very smart this game. BabyKnight did what he could. But that proxy pylon warpin in zealots really hurt him badly enough so ggz
Hasuobs vs ret this will be very interesting. Ret excellent macro oriented player vs HasuObs very micro intense player. Interesting for sure. Hope the games will be long and intense now!
Well done by ret for sure! I love the counter-attack behind HasuObs armé forcing him to move back to his expansion just to buy time. And the fungal growths holding Hasu's armé back from attacking was excellent play. That engagement Hasu had was dangerous but not enough since Ret is a very good macro player.
That was sweet play by Ret. I think Hasu may go for that warp-prism sentry in the main ramp forcefield play. At least that's what he did against Zikto.
On June 27 2012 08:06 Sp00ly wrote: That was sweet play by Ret. I think Hasu may go for that warp-prism sentry in the main ramp forcefield play. At least that's what he did against Zikto.
It's a really strong build on this map so I wouldnt be surprised to see it. It seems like a lot of protoss go for either sentry warp prism attack or the immortal all in on this map
Oh man, some questionable builds from HasuObs so far and Ret being... well... Ret. As much as I love Hasu this is honestly looking like a clean sweep to me, which is unfortunate imo given how good these two players are.
Both of those allins were made to look so bad by Ret. Not sure if poorly executed, if Ret is this much better than Hasu, or they are just terrible builds nowadays.
Ok i have to say that this game was not even close. Hasuobs making 1gate&cyb exp didn't come out well since it wasn't used as it should. He should of pressured a lot sooner instead of waiting. Everyone knows that Ret loves to drone up as quickly as possible and just macro his way up too 200/200. Bad call by hasu there
On June 27 2012 08:14 Integra wrote: Guess Hasu only knows 2 base allins.
The problem with the "Stephano style" (fast 3hatch --> rocket high supply around 12:00) is... Either you can defend against the protoss 2 base all in... Or else the protoss can take a 3rd, but have a smaller army - which will make it hard to defend. Forcefields, placement and composition can obviously help out a lot in both scenarios.
Can't blame Hasu... However, I think he should've gone with some 3g pressure. Just to make Ret cut 5-10 workers would have helped him a ton more than most people realize
On June 27 2012 08:16 ghrur wrote: I love Andre's casting. ^_^
Please... teach me how to
I just think that Gretorp is so excited when he casts. You guys shouldn't complain ;-)
Hmm I'm not a huge fan of Gretorp and I like Bitter best when he's with Rotterdam but honestly, the casting tonight is not *that* bad, wrong outcome calls notwithstanding. Or maybe I'm just too sleepy to notice something that others see/hear.
Quite happy to see Ret advance though, he definitely deserves it! (sad he didn't get to play fraer, that would've been a fun match I think)
That last game was so easy for ret. It must of hurt for hasuobs watching his armé getting crushed like that. Great play by ret! good job!~ Hasuobs did well but not well enough tho.
Congratulation Ret. Even though I don't like to admit it, but Hasu looked helpless in that series.
But what was Gretorp talking about, regarding Ret being in the Quarterfinals "time after time"? Apart from his first place finish this time, he only entered the qualifiers once and placed in the quarterfinals once.
I was extremely happy to see Ret's play against those proxy 2 raxes, considering that it was exactly what kicked him out in the last semi. I'm happy for him and it was a joy to watch!
yeah it was well deserved for ret trying hard has he does. And playing like he did in this tournament or at least the last few games we saw was very impressive. Splendid!
It's a bit depressing watching the lists of players right now though, if the qualifiers were done at this point, we would have 11 Z, 9 P and 2(!) T. While I'm a biased zerg who loves watching zergs crush, I really hope that terrans can find some quick solutions for the diversity of the tournament. 8 more to go though
On June 27 2012 08:51 Vaftrudner wrote: It's a bit depressing watching the lists of players right now though, if the qualifiers were done at this point, we would have 11 Z, 9 P and 2(!) T. While I'm a biased zerg who loves watching zergs crush, I really hope that terrans can find some quick solutions for the diversity of the tournament. 8 more to go though
Where can I get high res' versions of the splash/headline art? Just checked the Alpin site. Don't see the current Queen picture or the Zealot used for Sase.
First (and likely only) player to make the bracket stage of all 4 TSLs. Gratz Ret !!!
Sheth just keeps racking up the points despite no top 4s. I'm rooting for him being a Liquid player and possibly the only American. Also, good to to see Mycerion get some more points.
I imagine Stephano will qualify if he really wants to and gives himself a couple qualfiers in case of a big upset.
As far as the lack of terrans goes, yeah its a bit concerning as a terran. However, we have Thorzain, Kas, and Sting in for sure, Select, Beasty, Goody, Kawaii, Cloud, and Happy are still within striking distance. I also expect MKP to go on a run in one of the Korean quals.
I know it sucks terrans having trouble right now because of the nerfs and metagame, but zerg had 0 players in the TSL 3 final 8, so it could be worst.
Looking forward to another exciting qualifier tomorrow.
On June 27 2012 09:29 TheLOLas wrote: The front page said "Liquid`Ret Qualifiers for TSL4". Is that a typo?
You see, Ret is looking for some new friends and he can't just pick anyone. He needs the best of the best and that's what this qualifier is. Do you have what it takes? If so, sign up now ^_^
On June 27 2012 09:29 TheLOLas wrote: The front page said "Liquid`Ret Qualifiers for TSL4". Is that a typo?
You see, Ret is looking for some new friends and he can't just pick anyone. He needs the best of the best and that's what this qualifier is. Do you have what it takes? If so, sign up now ^_^
I'm already signed up. Hoping for a first round bye but I think the bracket is going to be full
But thorzain is qualified! He is American because he trains there... (Sarcasm joke so funny) Anyway congratz to Ret - The one with talent, hope he can practice enough and do well in TSL4!
On June 27 2012 23:41 Pippi wrote: But thorzain is qualified! He is American because he trains there... (Sarcasm joke so funny) Anyway congratz to Ret - The one with talent, hope he can practice enough and do well in TSL4!
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