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Destructicon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
June 21 2012 22:10 GMT
#601
On June 22 2012 07:00 Dosey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2012 06:57 scypio wrote:
On June 22 2012 06:47 beetlelisk wrote:
On June 22 2012 06:40 EscPlan9 wrote:
Build a raven. One single raven. DO IT DO IT

I agree, so many scans wasted on spotting tumors, I think it's a thousand minerals plus these games.


I disagree, need to scan anyways to see if he's not falling into a trap. Too many creep tumors - T needs to leave 'em there and kill zerg bases instead. At least that is what Sting did does games and it seems to be working. Any failed all-in from the Z is helpful too

Wat?

They scan squarely on their marines (getting optimum tumor kill coverage) to avoid traps?

+ Show Spoiler +
wat?


No, you have your army outside the vision of the creep, you scan ahead then you stim some army ahead and kill tumors. If you see a zerg army there, you don't go in. With a Raven 2 things can happen.

1 You send your raven ahead to scout, in which case he can be easily sniped in some retarded and often embarrassing way.
2 You send your Raven with your army, in which case now its your entire army that can be caught out of position, unsieged and sniped in some retarded and probably even more embarrassing way.

I used to think like you, but then I realized that scans are just way better.

Back on topic damn, DT's two times in a row? I hope First hasn't taken any hints from Inca...
WriterNever give up, never surrender! https://www.youtube.com/user/DestructiconSC
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
June 21 2012 22:11 GMT
#602
everyone going DTs now
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
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Destructicon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
June 21 2012 22:12 GMT
#603
This game just became way more interesting right now.
WriterNever give up, never surrender! https://www.youtube.com/user/DestructiconSC
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
June 21 2012 22:13 GMT
#604
On June 22 2012 07:11 Shellshock1122 wrote:
everyone going DTs now


Nope. Wrong call. You didn't see anything. Nothing happening here.
blooblooblahblah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4163 Posts
June 21 2012 22:13 GMT
#605
The amount of cancels in this game lol
Ganzi beat me without stim. Ostojiy beat me with a nydus. Siphonn beat me with probes. Revival beat my sentry-immortal all-in.
Belha
Profile Joined December 2010
Italy2850 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-21 22:14:25
June 21 2012 22:14 GMT
#606
Squirtle play by play:

Robo bay, cancel it, twilight, blink, cancel blink, d-shrine, cancel it, robo bay, blink.

Good decisions, but funny xD. Good old pvp...
Chicken gank op
Dosey
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4505 Posts
June 21 2012 22:14 GMT
#607
On June 22 2012 07:10 Destructicon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2012 07:00 Dosey wrote:
On June 22 2012 06:57 scypio wrote:
On June 22 2012 06:47 beetlelisk wrote:
On June 22 2012 06:40 EscPlan9 wrote:
Build a raven. One single raven. DO IT DO IT

I agree, so many scans wasted on spotting tumors, I think it's a thousand minerals plus these games.


I disagree, need to scan anyways to see if he's not falling into a trap. Too many creep tumors - T needs to leave 'em there and kill zerg bases instead. At least that is what Sting did does games and it seems to be working. Any failed all-in from the Z is helpful too

Wat?

They scan squarely on their marines (getting optimum tumor kill coverage) to avoid traps?

+ Show Spoiler +
wat?


No, you have your army outside the vision of the creep, you scan ahead then you stim some army ahead and kill tumors. If you see a zerg army there, you don't go in. With a Raven 2 things can happen.

1 You send your raven ahead to scout, in which case he can be easily sniped in some retarded and often embarrassing way.
2 You send your Raven with your army, in which case now its your entire army that can be caught out of position, unsieged and sniped in some retarded and probably even more embarrassing way.

I used to think like you, but then I realized that scans are just way better.

Back on topic damn, DT's two times in a row? I hope First hasn't taken any hints from Inca...

During initial push to destroy creep, yes you are right. What the guy who originally posted was referring to (I'm assuming) is the totally wasted scans on creep in your own expansions, areas that you have control over, etc. Very, very many wasted scans in those situations.
Destructicon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-21 22:18:08
June 21 2012 22:16 GMT
#608
I don't understand the Templar Archives from Squirtle. You can make Archons already from DTs, and its less gas intensive then HT by a bit. Does he plan to Storm or is this maybe a stylistic mistake?

Edit: Never mid, I didn't catch the DT shrine cancel...
WriterNever give up, never surrender! https://www.youtube.com/user/DestructiconSC
sleepingdog
Profile Joined August 2008
Austria6145 Posts
June 21 2012 22:17 GMT
#609
On June 22 2012 07:14 Belha wrote:
Squirtle play by play:

Robo bay, cancel it, twilight, blink, cancel blink, d-shrine, cancel it, robo bay, blink.

Good decisions, but funny xD. Good old pvp...


he mindgamed himself there a couple of times...
"You see....YOU SEE..." © 2010 Sen
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
June 21 2012 22:17 GMT
#610
So. First went for DT's, Squirtle went for robo. First made a robo, then canceled when he noticed squirtle scouted him. He then expands. Squirtle expands, and then goes DT's himself. Scouts a robo from First, then cancels. Then a whole bunch of shit happens and now First is ahead on colossus count.

PvP.
sleepingdog
Profile Joined August 2008
Austria6145 Posts
June 21 2012 22:18 GMT
#611
PvP SC2 must be the most ridiculous matchup in the history of RTS
"You see....YOU SEE..." © 2010 Sen
Strela
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands1896 Posts
June 21 2012 22:19 GMT
#612
this is worse than ZvZ lol
Belha
Profile Joined December 2010
Italy2850 Posts
June 21 2012 22:19 GMT
#613
Incontrol:

"...PvP is funny...is like preparing for an all in all game..."

..."Then go to the map til: Oh shit, your army is here too!!??... LET'S DO THIS!!"

So true u.u
Chicken gank op
scypio
Profile Joined December 2011
Poland2127 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-21 22:20:42
June 21 2012 22:20 GMT
#614
On June 22 2012 07:14 Dosey wrote:
During initial push to destroy creep, yes you are right. What the guy who originally posted was referring to (I'm assuming) is the totally wasted scans on creep in your own expansions, areas that you have control over, etc. Very, very many wasted scans in those situations.


Sting won because he applied constant pressure with his marine/medivac/tank army. He needed to remake the medivacs constantly, otherwise his marines would die to fungals in a blink of an eye. He chose not to get his finger off the trigger and managed to pull the win, it was super close thou.

If he chose to pause, switch up buildings, build raven, switch back again and resume - ... well, I think he would have lost.
I play random | I like Hots | INnoVation | sOs | Tefel TOP1!
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11061 Posts
June 21 2012 22:20 GMT
#615
oh man this is like if kwanro was protoss
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
June 21 2012 22:21 GMT
#616
Man, i gotta say, i really like how First is playing this. I also really dislike how Squirtle is dealing with it.
Pure-SC2
Profile Joined November 2011
United Kingdom1440 Posts
June 21 2012 22:21 GMT
#617
how good was anyppi in BW? has he been playing sc2 for long?
"Every time I visit community sites, I'm just embarrassed. There's so much witch hunting and name calling and arguing and gossip. Misogynist comments against women. It's just embarrassing." – Tasteless
McFeser
Profile Joined July 2011
United States2458 Posts
June 21 2012 22:21 GMT
#618
On June 22 2012 07:10 Destructicon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2012 07:00 Dosey wrote:
On June 22 2012 06:57 scypio wrote:
On June 22 2012 06:47 beetlelisk wrote:
On June 22 2012 06:40 EscPlan9 wrote:
Build a raven. One single raven. DO IT DO IT

I agree, so many scans wasted on spotting tumors, I think it's a thousand minerals plus these games.


I disagree, need to scan anyways to see if he's not falling into a trap. Too many creep tumors - T needs to leave 'em there and kill zerg bases instead. At least that is what Sting did does games and it seems to be working. Any failed all-in from the Z is helpful too

Wat?

They scan squarely on their marines (getting optimum tumor kill coverage) to avoid traps?

+ Show Spoiler +
wat?


No, you have your army outside the vision of the creep, you scan ahead then you stim some army ahead and kill tumors. If you see a zerg army there, you don't go in. With a Raven 2 things can happen.

1 You send your raven ahead to scout, in which case he can be easily sniped in some retarded and often embarrassing way.
2 You send your Raven with your army, in which case now its your entire army that can be caught out of position, unsieged and sniped in some retarded and probably evenmore embarrassing way.

I used to think like you, but then I realized that scans are just way better.

Back on topic damn, DT's two times in a row? I hope First hasn't taken any hints from Inca...

What about stimming a marine ahead to scout?

And sorry for the stupid question, but what have the scores been? I can't check ony phone
Promethelax still hasn't changed his quote
Logros
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands9913 Posts
June 21 2012 22:21 GMT
#619
Why did First retreat there? He could've focussed Squirtles colossus down in seconds.
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
June 21 2012 22:22 GMT
#620
On June 22 2012 07:21 Pure-SC2 wrote:
how good was anyppi in BW? has he been playing sc2 for long?


He was 1-10. He's been playing sc2 for like, half a year probably longer.
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