Semis, Finals Broadcast will begin at 21:00 GMT (+00:00)
Registration closes on Wednesday, Jun 20 2:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) Check in begins on Wednesday, Jun 20 2:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) Check-in closes in Wednesday, Jun 20 3:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) Tournament begins on Wednesday, Jun 20 3:15pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
General Registration Requirements 1. You must have access to a North American Battle.net StarCraft 2 account. 2. You must have chosen to participate in the EU/NA Qualifiers to the exclusion of the KR Qualifiers. 3. You cannot be a national and resident of Korea. 4. You must be be registered and logged into your TL account to register and play. 5. Fill in your account details in your TL profile. Make sure they are correct for the server (EU or NA).
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This is going to be great. Everyone in the current top 8 participating in this one. Plus all the other notables like Huk, Ret, Select, Nony, Incontrol, etc. Going to be fun. Props to LaLush for not resting.
On June 21 2012 00:25 InMotion wrote: I don't think anyone can stop HuK from getting to the Ro4 in this qualifier. The only person who may be good enough is Grubby. Sweet!
attero is underrated and it's PvP so who knows. desrow might also have a shot PvP, Fenix is pretty good as well
On June 21 2012 00:25 InMotion wrote: I don't think anyone can stop HuK from getting to the Ro4 in this qualifier. The only person who may be good enough is Grubby. Sweet!
attero is underrated and it's PvP so who knows. desrow might also have a shot PvP, Fenix is pretty good as well
True but HuK is honestly a beast in PvP.
I agree that there could be an upset but HuK/Grubby are the clear favourites.
Lovely to see LaLush not slacking off even for a second, even though he probably already has enough points to make it in. Unbreakable all-time qualifier points record incoming?
On June 21 2012 00:39 MCDayC wrote: Why are Korean qualies Bo3 all the way through but the foreign ones not?
more rounds in the EU/NA, would be too long to start with bo3
I still think the Bo3 should start at the same point across the locations. So Bo3 starting at Ro128 it seems.
Korea is one timezone. EU/NA combines several timezones, it would simply take too long for EU players and if you'd start earlier, it'd be even less NA players participating.
Oh well first game against HuK.... and it my first game of the day, dying to a DT rush because I was exepcting blink.. I wanna kick myself! (not that i would have won anyway)
Nice try Incontrol. Hopefully you and the rest of EG decide to partcipate more in the rest of the qualifiers. I think the team could grab some bids with a little luck.
On June 21 2012 01:37 Nick_54 wrote: Nice try Incontrol. Hopefully you and the rest of EG decide to partcipate more in the rest of the qualifiers. I think the team could grab some bids with a little luck.
Man Reco looks so good for age 16 it is crazy.
Yep I will keep playing. Playing from EU server on NA kinda sucks >_< but oh well!
On June 21 2012 01:37 Nick_54 wrote: Nice try Incontrol. Hopefully you and the rest of EG decide to partcipate more in the rest of the qualifiers. I think the team could grab some bids with a little luck.
Man Reco looks so good for age 16 it is crazy.
Yep I will keep playing. Playing from EU server on NA kinda sucks >_< but oh well!
Better luck next time, you'll be back in the US then, right?
I think Idra, Ret, Nony, Mondragon, and White-Ra are the only players to have made it into the bracket stage of the first 3 TSLs. (Might be wrong not 100 percent sure.) Here's hoping Ret can become the first member of that group and Liquid to lock up a spot today!
I'm also happy that the terrans seem to be well represented today.
On June 21 2012 01:37 Nick_54 wrote: Nice try Incontrol. Hopefully you and the rest of EG decide to partcipate more in the rest of the qualifiers. I think the team could grab some bids with a little luck.
Man Reco looks so good for age 16 it is crazy.
Yep I will keep playing. Playing from EU server on NA kinda sucks >_< but oh well!
On June 21 2012 01:52 Nick_54 wrote: I think Idra, Ret, Nony, Mondragon, and White-Ra are the only players to have made it into the bracket stage of the first 3 TSLs. (Might be wrong not 100 percent sure.) Here's hoping Ret can become the first member of that group and Liquid to lock up a spot today!
I'm also happy that the terrans seem to be well represented today.
True, but Mondy got invited. He never played that much SC2. I don't think he could've done it if he was playing the qualis.
On June 21 2012 01:46 LeLfe wrote: first points for HuK
also ToD is out lost in PvZ again TT
watching Empire Kas streaming, he went up against Tod on ladder, Kas took a pretty fast third and after Tod's attack failed Tod said - u gamble :D just like all the zergs and then GGed out.
Now that we're getting into the points for the fourth qualifier, I'm interested in what people think the range of points needed to qualify will end up being, ie how many points will the 1st place and 8th place qualifiers take across all 10 tournaments. An interesting variable is if high point scorers end up winning a qualifier further down the line, making way for someone with less points to qualify. My best estimate is that the low end for qualifying will be 250 and the high end will be 350. The last couple qualifiers should be really exciting as there'll be some crazy interactions if the scores are close.
On June 21 2012 01:56 Firenza wrote: Now that we're getting into the points for the fourth qualifier, I'm interested in what people think the range of points needed to qualify will end up being, ie how many points will the 1st place and 8th place qualifiers take across all 10 tournaments. An interesting variable is if high point scorers end up winning a qualifier further down the line, making way for someone with less points to qualify. My best estimate is that the low end for qualifying will be 250 and the high end will be 350. The last couple qualifiers should be really exciting as there'll be some crazy interactions if the scores are close.
On June 21 2012 01:56 Firenza wrote: Now that we're getting into the points for the fourth qualifier, I'm interested in what people think the range of points needed to qualify will end up being, ie how many points will the 1st place and 8th place qualifiers take across all 10 tournaments. An interesting variable is if high point scorers end up winning a qualifier further down the line, making way for someone with less points to qualify. My best estimate is that the low end for qualifying will be 250 and the high end will be 350. The last couple qualifiers should be really exciting as there'll be some crazy interactions if the scores are close.
On June 21 2012 01:52 Nick_54 wrote: I think Idra, Ret, Nony, Mondragon, and White-Ra are the only players to have made it into the bracket stage of the first 3 TSLs. (Might be wrong not 100 percent sure.) Here's hoping Ret can become the first member of that group and Liquid to lock up a spot today!
I'm also happy that the terrans seem to be well represented today.
True, but Mondy got invited. He never played that much SC2. I don't think he could've done it if he was playing the qualis.
Everyone except White-Ra got invited, afaik.
Goody mindgaming here. Hellions into not mech but marine/tank.
On June 21 2012 01:56 Firenza wrote: Now that we're getting into the points for the fourth qualifier, I'm interested in what people think the range of points needed to qualify will end up being, ie how many points will the 1st place and 8th place qualifiers take across all 10 tournaments. An interesting variable is if high point scorers end up winning a qualifier further down the line, making way for someone with less points to qualify. My best estimate is that the low end for qualifying will be 250 and the high end will be 350. The last couple qualifiers should be really exciting as there'll be some crazy interactions if the scores are close.
200 points will be more than enough
Yeah I'm guessing that around 182 (which Lalush already has) will be around the cut off to lock up a bid.
On June 21 2012 01:56 Firenza wrote: Now that we're getting into the points for the fourth qualifier, I'm interested in what people think the range of points needed to qualify will end up being, ie how many points will the 1st place and 8th place qualifiers take across all 10 tournaments. An interesting variable is if high point scorers end up winning a qualifier further down the line, making way for someone with less points to qualify. My best estimate is that the low end for qualifying will be 250 and the high end will be 350. The last couple qualifiers should be really exciting as there'll be some crazy interactions if the scores are close.
On June 21 2012 01:56 Firenza wrote: Now that we're getting into the points for the fourth qualifier, I'm interested in what people think the range of points needed to qualify will end up being, ie how many points will the 1st place and 8th place qualifiers take across all 10 tournaments. An interesting variable is if high point scorers end up winning a qualifier further down the line, making way for someone with less points to qualify. My best estimate is that the low end for qualifying will be 250 and the high end will be 350. The last couple qualifiers should be really exciting as there'll be some crazy interactions if the scores are close.
On June 21 2012 01:56 Firenza wrote: Now that we're getting into the points for the fourth qualifier, I'm interested in what people think the range of points needed to qualify will end up being, ie how many points will the 1st place and 8th place qualifiers take across all 10 tournaments. An interesting variable is if high point scorers end up winning a qualifier further down the line, making way for someone with less points to qualify. My best estimate is that the low end for qualifying will be 250 and the high end will be 350. The last couple qualifiers should be really exciting as there'll be some crazy interactions if the scores are close.
Funny because the high points guys can end up winning so they get the score zeroed :D
Yeah that's one of the best parts of it. Last year one of Streloc's teammates qualified in first place of the last qualifier, creating a tie for 9th place between Streloc and I believe Nightend for the last spot in the tournament. Nightend won it but it was cool that there was a bit of extra motivation to get first place. Both of those names could be totally off however. Anyway I expect it'll be a bit lower this time, somewhere around 90 points due to less points awarded for 2nd place (which is better because 2nd place almost guaranteed a spot last time.)
Edit: Didn't know some of the other facts mentioned. I'd estimate 150 points to qualify in that case.
On June 21 2012 02:01 torm3ntin wrote: OMFGGGGGGGGGG GRUBBY IN THE POINTS. Hell yeah. First time he gets to RO32.
<3 Hell, it's about time. Wish he was on the opposite side of the bracket from HuK though.
He is not afraid of anyone. It's better Huk be ready cause he is COMMING!
True, but if there's one thing I know it's never bet against HuK in PvP. Rooting for both of them though, two fantastic players with great personality.
On June 21 2012 02:01 torm3ntin wrote: OMFGGGGGGGGGG GRUBBY IN THE POINTS. Hell yeah. First time he gets to RO32.
<3 Hell, it's about time. Wish he was on the opposite side of the bracket from HuK though.
He is not afraid of anyone. It's better Huk be ready cause he is COMMING!
True, but if there's one thing I know it's never bet against HuK in PvP. Rooting for both of them though, two fantastic players with great personality.
True. But i'm a fanboy. I'll blindly pick him for the win haha.
On June 21 2012 01:37 Nick_54 wrote: Nice try Incontrol. Hopefully you and the rest of EG decide to partcipate more in the rest of the qualifiers. I think the team could grab some bids with a little luck.
Man Reco looks so good for age 16 it is crazy.
Yep I will keep playing. Playing from EU server on NA kinda sucks >_< but oh well!
On June 21 2012 02:01 torm3ntin wrote: OMFGGGGGGGGGG GRUBBY IN THE POINTS. Hell yeah. First time he gets to RO32.
<3 Hell, it's about time. Wish he was on the opposite side of the bracket from HuK though.
He is not afraid of anyone. It's better Huk be ready cause he is COMMING!
True, but if there's one thing I know it's never bet against HuK in PvP. Rooting for both of them though, two fantastic players with great personality.
True. But i'm a fanboy. I'll blindly pick him for the win haha.
Ret x Lucifron. - Ret on 4 bases!!
Mutas - Lings - Banelings
Well that's fair. There's a well known exception to the Rule and that is skilled European Protosses. And Grubby sort of has his own unique style (like a European Liquid'Hero) so it might be enough to beat HuK, but I'm still cheering on my fellow Canadian.
Luci's first push went really badly, seemed like he wasn't watching his forces =( From there he took heavy damage, played very well afterwords but it was too late.
On June 21 2012 01:56 Firenza wrote: Now that we're getting into the points for the fourth qualifier, I'm interested in what people think the range of points needed to qualify will end up being, ie how many points will the 1st place and 8th place qualifiers take across all 10 tournaments. An interesting variable is if high point scorers end up winning a qualifier further down the line, making way for someone with less points to qualify. My best estimate is that the low end for qualifying will be 250 and the high end will be 350. The last couple qualifiers should be really exciting as there'll be some crazy interactions if the scores are close.
Yeah, I love that part. TSL has the absolutely best qualifying system.
On June 21 2012 02:53 Scaramanga wrote: The Australians are having an awesome showing, 3 in the round of 16 is amazing
And unfortunately i don't predict them going any further :D
Mana, Morrow and Tarson (or ret further)
You may be underestimating the Aussies skill here, Mafia is 1-1 against Tarson with his pick of map for game three
He's also overestimating tarson's tvz ability, he absolutely hates the matchup That was the biggest chance of an Aussie victory imo. Glade also is some chance against MorroW's Terran. Can't see tgun beating MaNa.
On June 21 2012 02:53 Scaramanga wrote: The Australians are having an awesome showing, 3 in the round of 16 is amazing
And unfortunately i don't predict them going any further :D
Mana, Morrow and Tarson (or ret further)
You may be underestimating the Aussies skill here, Mafia is 1-1 against Tarson with his pick of map for game three
He's also overestimating tarson's tvz ability, he absolutely hates the matchup That was the biggest chance of an Aussie victory imo. Glade also is some chance against MorroW's Terran. Can't see tgun beating MaNa.
which Terran appreciates the match up at the moment?
On June 21 2012 02:53 Scaramanga wrote: The Australians are having an awesome showing, 3 in the round of 16 is amazing
And unfortunately i don't predict them going any further :D
Mana, Morrow and Tarson (or ret further)
You may be underestimating the Aussies skill here, Mafia is 1-1 against Tarson with his pick of map for game three
He's also overestimating tarson's tvz ability, he absolutely hates the matchup That was the biggest chance of an Aussie victory imo. Glade also is some chance against MorroW's Terran. Can't see tgun beating MaNa.
which Terran appreciates the match up at the moment?
On June 21 2012 02:53 Scaramanga wrote: The Australians are having an awesome showing, 3 in the round of 16 is amazing
And unfortunately i don't predict them going any further :D
Mana, Morrow and Tarson (or ret further)
You may be underestimating the Aussies skill here, Mafia is 1-1 against Tarson with his pick of map for game three
He's also overestimating tarson's tvz ability, he absolutely hates the matchup That was the biggest chance of an Aussie victory imo. Glade also is some chance against MorroW's Terran. Can't see tgun beating MaNa.
which Terran appreciates the match up at the moment?
Im pretty sure TvZ is still the most fun match up for terrans, even if its a tiny bit in favor of zerg atm.
On June 21 2012 02:53 Scaramanga wrote: The Australians are having an awesome showing, 3 in the round of 16 is amazing
And unfortunately i don't predict them going any further :D
Mana, Morrow and Tarson (or ret further)
You may be underestimating the Aussies skill here, Mafia is 1-1 against Tarson with his pick of map for game three
He's also overestimating tarson's tvz ability, he absolutely hates the matchup That was the biggest chance of an Aussie victory imo. Glade also is some chance against MorroW's Terran. Can't see tgun beating MaNa.
which Terran appreciates the match up at the moment?
Im pretty sure TvZ is still the most fun match up for terrans, even if its a tiny bit in favor of zerg atm.
I'm not sure about this, if you read all the interviews, thay're all clueless and hopeless about the match up... not sure they entertain getting stomped :<
On June 21 2012 02:53 Scaramanga wrote: The Australians are having an awesome showing, 3 in the round of 16 is amazing
And unfortunately i don't predict them going any further :D
Mana, Morrow and Tarson (or ret further)
You may be underestimating the Aussies skill here, Mafia is 1-1 against Tarson with his pick of map for game three
He's also overestimating tarson's tvz ability, he absolutely hates the matchup That was the biggest chance of an Aussie victory imo. Glade also is some chance against MorroW's Terran. Can't see tgun beating MaNa.
which Terran appreciates the match up at the moment?
Im pretty sure TvZ is still the most fun match up for terrans, even if its a tiny bit in favor of zerg atm.
On June 21 2012 02:53 Scaramanga wrote: The Australians are having an awesome showing, 3 in the round of 16 is amazing
And unfortunately i don't predict them going any further :D
Mana, Morrow and Tarson (or ret further)
You may be underestimating the Aussies skill here, Mafia is 1-1 against Tarson with his pick of map for game three
He's also overestimating tarson's tvz ability, he absolutely hates the matchup That was the biggest chance of an Aussie victory imo. Glade also is some chance against MorroW's Terran. Can't see tgun beating MaNa.
which Terran appreciates the match up at the moment?
Im pretty sure TvZ is still the most fun match up for terrans, even if its a tiny bit in favor of zerg atm.
On June 21 2012 02:53 Scaramanga wrote: The Australians are having an awesome showing, 3 in the round of 16 is amazing
And unfortunately i don't predict them going any further :D
Mana, Morrow and Tarson (or ret further)
You may be underestimating the Aussies skill here, Mafia is 1-1 against Tarson with his pick of map for game three
He's also overestimating tarson's tvz ability, he absolutely hates the matchup That was the biggest chance of an Aussie victory imo. Glade also is some chance against MorroW's Terran. Can't see tgun beating MaNa.
which Terran appreciates the match up at the moment?
Im pretty sure TvZ is still the most fun match up for terrans, even if its a tiny bit in favor of zerg atm.
Im pretty sure you are wrong
This this and this! also: Beasty, do you know why you are listed as Korean in the brackets? I don't get it.
dont get why ret didnt rebuild more infestors with 100 minerals and 3 gas constatly. held anyway cause welmu went dry, but why would u build ling/roach with "only" 7 infestors on the field and 100/3000 on the bank^^
On June 21 2012 02:53 Scaramanga wrote: The Australians are having an awesome showing, 3 in the round of 16 is amazing
And unfortunately i don't predict them going any further :D
Mana, Morrow and Tarson (or ret further)
You may be underestimating the Aussies skill here, Mafia is 1-1 against Tarson with his pick of map for game three
He's also overestimating tarson's tvz ability, he absolutely hates the matchup That was the biggest chance of an Aussie victory imo. Glade also is some chance against MorroW's Terran. Can't see tgun beating MaNa.
Mafia beat Welmu in the TLOpen last week and i'm sure he can beat Ret too, don't get too sure
On June 21 2012 02:53 Scaramanga wrote: The Australians are having an awesome showing, 3 in the round of 16 is amazing
And unfortunately i don't predict them going any further :D
Mana, Morrow and Tarson (or ret further)
You may be underestimating the Aussies skill here, Mafia is 1-1 against Tarson with his pick of map for game three
He's also overestimating tarson's tvz ability, he absolutely hates the matchup That was the biggest chance of an Aussie victory imo. Glade also is some chance against MorroW's Terran. Can't see tgun beating MaNa.
which Terran appreciates the match up at the moment?
Im pretty sure TvZ is still the most fun match up for terrans, even if its a tiny bit in favor of zerg atm.
On June 21 2012 02:50 AxionSteel wrote: wow, just noticed 3 Aussies in the top 16, that is awesome!!
Indeed, I like it!
Go tgun!
Wow that is cool! Good on 'ya.
3 Aussies, 2 Canadians and Sheth who, lets be honest is probably genetically a Canadian (you can tell by his/our mannerisms and the way we never stereotype).
On June 21 2012 03:49 zerotol wrote: Anyone streaming DF vs Grubby?
If there's a match I want to see next round it's that.
yea nobody streaming the best 2 games(imo at least), DF vs grubby and goody vs huk
They can only stream through replays and maybe neither DF or Grubby gave them the replays.
That's wrong, Axetoss is simply streamin with 5min delay, not from replays.
After RO16 u can't stream from delay. U gotta do it from Replays unless it's the players.
Do you think, repeating something wrong makes it right? Axeltoss is just casting Moonglade vs Morrow from Ro16 live.
TL STAFF already stated in previous topics that they can't stream from delay from RO16 onwards. If axeltoss is doing, or TL STAFF changed their opinion about it or he is doing it against their rules.
On June 21 2012 03:49 zerotol wrote: Anyone streaming DF vs Grubby?
If there's a match I want to see next round it's that.
yea nobody streaming the best 2 games(imo at least), DF vs grubby and goody vs huk
They can only stream through replays and maybe neither DF or Grubby gave them the replays.
That's wrong, Axetoss is simply streamin with 5min delay, not from replays.
After RO16 u can't stream from delay. U gotta do it from Replays unless it's the players.
Do you think, repeating something wrong makes it right? Axeltoss is just casting Moonglade vs Morrow from Ro16 live.
TL STAFF already stated in previous topics that they can't stream from delay from RO16 onwards. If axeltoss is doing, or TL STAFF changed their opinion about it or he is doing it against their rules.
I will try to find the link to their post.
You don't get it do you? He is casting it and it is ok. You can go grab a piece of (virtual) paper called rules, call the police or do what you want. You are wrong. Why is it so important to defend something you said earlier.
On June 21 2012 02:50 AxionSteel wrote: wow, just noticed 3 Aussies in the top 16, that is awesome!!
Indeed, I like it!
Go tgun!
Wow that is cool! Good on 'ya.
3 Aussies, 2 Canadians and Sheth who, lets be honest is probably genetically a Canadian (you can tell by his/our mannerisms and the way we never stereotype).
Good times eh mates?
You just said "and the way we never stereotype" and then you stereotype him.... MIND IS FUCKING BLOWN AT THE LEVEL OF LOGIC.
On June 21 2012 02:50 AxionSteel wrote: wow, just noticed 3 Aussies in the top 16, that is awesome!!
Indeed, I like it!
Go tgun!
Wow that is cool! Good on 'ya.
3 Aussies, 2 Canadians and Sheth who, lets be honest is probably genetically a Canadian (you can tell by his/our mannerisms and the way we never stereotype).
Good times eh mates?
You just said "and the way we never stereotype" and then you stereotype him.... MIND IS FUCKING BLOWN AT THE LEVEL OF LOGIC.
Yeah, that's not an obvious joke at all. "the way we never stereotype" surely has it's place in the post for any other reason.
On June 21 2012 02:50 AxionSteel wrote: wow, just noticed 3 Aussies in the top 16, that is awesome!!
Indeed, I like it!
Go tgun!
Wow that is cool! Good on 'ya.
3 Aussies, 2 Canadians and Sheth who, lets be honest is probably genetically a Canadian (you can tell by his/our mannerisms and the way we never stereotype).
Good times eh mates?
You just said "and the way we never stereotype" and then you stereotype him.... MIND IS FUCKING BLOWN AT THE LEVEL OF LOGIC.
I can't tell if you're being serious, but on the off chance you are: It's called sarcasm, by which "never stereotype" implies "haha, yeah, we stereotype him so much"
On June 21 2012 04:05 Shellshock1122 wrote: inca 1-0 goody
On June 21 2012 04:11 Icemind wrote: Somehow TL Opens dont seem to be a good place to be a Terran at the moment Give me a Terran TLOpen winner! Select all my hope lies with you!
never give up when u have select in the brackets :D
On June 21 2012 04:12 fcgog wrote: goody how don't you know that huk likes to cheese
Weeell, technically he likes to either cheese or go full on greed. It's hard to play against a player who does either of the extremes, and it's a good quality in a tournament player.
On June 21 2012 04:12 fcgog wrote: goody how don't you know that huk likes to cheese
The second game was just an attack up the front against two bunkers while he continued to build probes behind it. Goody may have gone down faster than to the DTs from game one.
On June 21 2012 04:19 Tppz! wrote: It so funny that no terran is as succesful in those tournaments like GoOdy who everyone thinks that he is terrible. Panzer General fighting!
Nobody thinks he is terrible. He is very consistent and a solid player. That doesn't make him a winner...
On June 21 2012 02:50 AxionSteel wrote: wow, just noticed 3 Aussies in the top 16, that is awesome!!
Indeed, I like it!
Go tgun!
Wow that is cool! Good on 'ya.
3 Aussies, 2 Canadians and Sheth who, lets be honest is probably genetically a Canadian (you can tell by his/our mannerisms and the way we never stereotype).
Good times eh mates?
You just said "and the way we never stereotype" and then you stereotype him.... MIND IS FUCKING BLOWN AT THE LEVEL OF LOGIC.
I can't tell if you're being serious, but on the off chance you are: It's called sarcasm, by which "never stereotype" implies "haha, yeah, we stereotype him so much"
On June 21 2012 04:19 Tppz! wrote: It so funny that no terran is as succesful in those tournaments like GoOdy who everyone thinks that he is terrible. Panzer General fighting!
Nobody thinks he is terrible. He is very consistent and a solid player. That doesn't make him a winner...
On June 21 2012 04:26 ][Primarch][ wrote: I heard Terran is good race
Yeah me too, didn't one win the last GSL?
I heard early SC2 was well balanced, didn't zerg win first 2 GSLs?
I'm just agreeing with him that Terran is a good race, don't see what balance and the first 2 GSL have to do with it.
I was just trying to state the obvious, which race wins a GSL doesn't indicate whether that race is doing good at that point in time so it would be better if people would stop referring to it. Much better to look at how many of each race is in round of 8 or 16.
whats the talk about balance? This is just an online tournament, there is like at least twice a week one that is as huge as this - who gives a fuck that they are 80% won by zergs in europe?
even if it would be the TSL final or a Dreamhack final or whatever - cant u simply stop those balance discussions? There is no gain and just flame. Everyone can see that Terran has less success than the other races currently, but let the pros play and figure shit out, give them a month more. if it keeps being like that, you can start questioning stuff calmly...
Keep your balance whine out of the TSL4 threads please! Please don't taint the greatest online event IMO with worthless discussion about a topic that doesn't matter.
On June 21 2012 04:47 torm3ntin wrote: BRACKETS UPDATED.
Grubby out
Can i cry now?
Losing 2-0 to Darkforce... is it me or is it looking more and more unlikely that Grubby will ever come close to his WC3 level?
You kidding me? He's been playing FANTASTIC the last three months. Upsetting Koreans left right and centre. PvZ can be a tough matchup though and Darkforce isn't half bad. He's not at his WC3 level, but then again Stephano is the only foreigner who is almost on that level in SC2.
Give him time, he's just getting better and better, he may yet stand atop some important podiums in SC2
Select takes game one off of Morrow, endless skirmishes from both players in the middle of the map and towards Morrow's 4th base but Select is able to take it.
On June 21 2012 04:56 McFeser wrote: Ret either gets knocked out in the first round or he looks like the second coming of Nestea.
Ret tends to play very greedy, so either he gets away with it and looks amazing, or just gets stomped at some timing where he's vulnerable. I personally don't like watching him for this reason.
Grubby is performing well. As it has already been stated, there are no foreign players on the same level in respect to the foreigner community as Grubby has been in WC3. Only Stephano might be an exception. Also you should not underestimate Darkforce. He never won a big tournament, but he is taking home consistent results against top players for a long time now.
Select proxy raxes vs. Morrow, bunker rushes and pulls all SCVS, Morrow barely holds and stablilizes and the game MAY normalize with Morrow with a distinct advantage.
On June 21 2012 04:56 McFeser wrote: Ret either gets knocked out in the first round or he looks like the second coming of Nestea.
Ret tends to play very greedy, so either he gets away with it and looks amazing, or just gets stomped at some timing where he's vulnerable. I personally don't like watching him for this reason.
He is very good at predicting what his opponent will do if he understands the current meta game. When he does he crushes his opponent which makes him one of the two zergs I enjoy watching. Other oddly enough is Lowely
On June 21 2012 05:11 Witten wrote: Select proxy raxes vs. Morrow, bunker rushes and pulls all SCVS, Morrow barely holds and stablilizes and the game MAY normalize with Morrow with a distinct advantage.
If MorroW continues to play ling moota end game it won't really matter if he's ahead
On June 21 2012 05:10 Shellshock1122 wrote: Is this the first TSL4 Qualifier where there have been players representing 8 different countries in the ro8?
On June 21 2012 05:11 Witten wrote: Select proxy raxes vs. Morrow, bunker rushes and pulls all SCVS, Morrow barely holds and stablilizes and the game MAY normalize with Morrow with a distinct advantage.
If MorroW continues to play ling moota end game it won't really matter if he's ahead
While that may be true, at this point Morrow has managed to get so far ahead that it probably won't matter haha. Morrow up ~100 supply.
On June 21 2012 05:24 Psyclon wrote: Ret just tweeted he was done for the day. This probably means he lost to Mafia.
Done with streaming methinks, because the semis and finals will be casted by TL.
Or he spoiled his semi final ...
Maybe but I doubt he would do that since it's TL's tournament too. Probably just meant done streaming for all those who wanted to watch since all his remaining games will be casted like Logros said
On June 21 2012 05:41 MorroW wrote: im sorry guys for letting a terran into ro4
im in bad shape these days because of my vacation
glgl select!
Duuude, you do so much amazing shit in your games I don't even know to begin! Also looked better than you did in dreamhack IMO, if you're heading for a TSL victory this year you're heading the right way. And yes, I believe you can do it
On June 21 2012 05:58 Harris1st wrote: liquipedia faster updates than the specially made brackets ^^
I think that's because the brackets are automated, and update only when the players submit their games. Many of the players are streaming, and immediately after they win/lose, LP will update the results, even though the players sometimes might not submit the games for another 10 minutes or so.
On June 21 2012 05:41 MorroW wrote: im sorry guys for letting a terran into ro4
im in bad shape these days because of my vacation
glgl select!
Obviously you need to stop taking vacations. I would gladly sacrifice your vacation if it means that no Terran qualifies for TSL 4 and Thorzain and Kas are the only Terrans playing.
For the EU/NA qualifiers, this is probably the best semi-final so far; Huk vs Mana and Ret vs. Select. The first match is probably Huk's to lose given how good his PvP has been (and Huk hasn't dropped a map yet). Not as knowledgeable for the other semifinal but I'll be rooting for Ret!
On June 21 2012 06:10 Mimi :D wrote: i find this very poorly organized. This live casting and then replay casting afterwards is really confusing, and it even feels a bit annoying to me
It's inconvenient but the best solution for the players.
On June 21 2012 06:10 Mimi :D wrote: i find this very poorly organized. This live casting and then replay casting afterwards is really confusing, and it even feels a bit annoying to me
On June 21 2012 06:12 TheShadower wrote: For the EU/NA qualifiers, this is probably the best semi-final so far; Huk vs Mana and Ret vs. Select. The first match is probably Huk's to lose given how good his PvP has been (and Huk hasn't dropped a map yet). Not as knowledgeable for the other semifinal but I'll be rooting for Ret!
Well Mana just won Dreamhack and beat Hero so he is no scrub either.
Axeltoss just casted Mana vs Sheth game from the quaterfinals at x8 speed - he neede to finish his casts before the TL stream starts up. Man that was a lot of fun
On June 21 2012 06:22 amazingoopah wrote: mana setting out to prove he isn't a fluke!
Seriously? Just because he just won his first tournament doesn't mean he needs to prove anything. Do you know how many times he's gotten second or top 4 at major events?
09:30 Huk cancels goes for a total of 6 gates, DT shrine and expansion. Mana attacks right after the nexus finishes with immortals, warp prism and an observer... last DTs get picked off in Mana's base, nexus goes down, Huk ggs.
On June 21 2012 06:29 BronzeKnee wrote: Was not a build order loss. Huk simply missed his defensive forcefields. Miss your forcefields and its gg in any matchup that involves Protoss.
Pretty much. I still remember that's how Huk got through the ro32 against Killer.
On June 21 2012 06:23 ClysmiC wrote: Yay stronger colors mod!
Interesting choice. Personally, I'm not too keen, but not put off by it. Didn't expect TL to use it..
IMO, the stronger team color mod should be mandatory in casting. I see only positives and no negatives.
Hmm...I think it looks horribly ugly. That is a negative from my pov at least.
The main function of colors in sports is to differentiate the players, this mod does that a 1000 times better than original colors. Obviously there are subjective opinions as to how it looks, I think it looks great.
On June 21 2012 06:38 Dexington wrote: Weird play by Huk. Why the expand builds?
maybe he plays korean metagame where it doesnt get punished as often and expand builds are a lot more common? i dont know, maybe he just played bad. didnt watch the games too carefully^^
On June 21 2012 06:38 Holgerius wrote: Holy fuck, what is up with Mana lately? He's tearing shit up for realz.
Mouz needed an ace, tbh if I was on a team that's as close as mouz appears to be, and they're in the situation that they're in (losing their arguably best player) I'd feel insanely motivated to be the ace. I feel like anyone who just decided to take a year off to go full on pro (which btw the fact that he's so good without being a full pro is scary) would have that mentality
want to see good games by huk again, stupid EG curse. About stronger team colors ... as long as no zerg is involved they are okay. But some zerg textures are way too color heavy, lings look like play-doh. But i might be biased, the first game i saw with this was on shakurs with a blue and purple toss. Not the best way to present what the mod is suppoed to do.
On June 21 2012 06:56 Morphage wrote: Lol, the state of TvZ is pretty depressing that creep spread makes me want to cry
to be fair select killed himself this game he was down 40 workers 9minute in lol... u cant make mistakes vs ret
Beeing down 40 workers 9 minutes in these days is sadly standard.... There is not alot of things these days you can to force the Zerg make units unless they chose to do so themselves.
I'm disappointed TL is having catz cast for them.. I had the displeasure of playing vs him in the race to GM yesterday which i happily made : ) however I couldn't believe this guy is big in the scene and considered professional.. here is the replay where I got upset after losing.. very reasonably but I don't think i deserved the out-lash that followed.. I hope TL will reconsider their caster line-up next time around.. or at the very least an apology for such un-professionalism. http://drop.sc/201162
On June 21 2012 07:05 VPCursed wrote: I'm disappointed TL is having catz cast for them.. I had the displeasure of playing vs him in the race to GM yesterday which i happily made : ) however I couldn't believe this guy is big in the scene and considered professional.. here is the replay where I got upset after losing.. very reasonably but I don't think i deserved the out-lash that followed.. I hope TL will reconsider their caster line-up next time around http://drop.sc/201162
On June 21 2012 07:05 VPCursed wrote: I'm disappointed TL is having catz cast for them.. I had the displeasure of playing vs him in the race to GM yesterday which i happily made : ) however I couldn't believe this guy is big in the scene and considered professional.. here is the replay where I got upset after losing.. very reasonably but I don't think i deserved the out-lash that followed.. I hope TL will reconsider their caster line-up next time around.. or at the very least an apology for such un-professionalism. http://drop.sc/201162
On June 21 2012 07:05 VPCursed wrote: I'm disappointed TL is having catz cast for them.. I had the displeasure of playing vs him in the race to GM yesterday which i happily made : ) however I couldn't believe this guy is big in the scene and considered professional.. here is the replay where I got upset after losing.. very reasonably but I don't think i deserved the out-lash that followed.. I hope TL will reconsider their caster line-up next time around.. or at the very least an apology for such un-professionalism. http://drop.sc/201162
Try reddit? They have lots of pitchforks!
this is a team liquid tournament. Not a reddit tournament
Unfortunately, this stream really isn't up to scratch - with the skipping, audio sync issues and lack of excitement, I've given up. Shoulda just left it with Axeltoss, I was enjoying his earlier casts.
Hopefully they get a better setup for the actual TSL4.
On June 21 2012 07:05 VPCursed wrote: I'm disappointed TL is having catz cast for them.. I had the displeasure of playing vs him in the race to GM yesterday which i happily made : ) however I couldn't believe this guy is big in the scene and considered professional.. here is the replay where I got upset after losing.. very reasonably but I don't think i deserved the out-lash that followed.. I hope TL will reconsider their caster line-up next time around.. or at the very least an apology for such un-professionalism. http://drop.sc/201162
So you were a douche to him on ladder and he responded by telling you his opinion of you. Honestly, what were you expecting when you implied that you were a much better player than him and he didn't deserve the outcome of that game?
People like you should be perm banned. Kindly STFU and never post again thx
On June 21 2012 07:05 VPCursed wrote: I'm disappointed TL is having catz cast for them.. I had the displeasure of playing vs him in the race to GM yesterday which i happily made : ) however I couldn't believe this guy is big in the scene and considered professional.. here is the replay where I got upset after losing.. very reasonably but I don't think i deserved the out-lash that followed.. I hope TL will reconsider their caster line-up next time around.. or at the very least an apology for such un-professionalism. http://drop.sc/201162
Yeah man, how dare he respond to your bm, instead of taking it in silence! You need to contact ROOT's management and make them aware of this grave injustice.
On June 21 2012 07:04 Holgerius wrote: Throzain + Kas are gonna be the only Ts in this tourney based on the results thus far.
What? I thought they said this was the semis? Mana/ Huk (Mana winning) vs. winner of Select/ Ret for finals... so PPZT in top four?
Talking about the actual TSL (this is just a qualifier ).
Ah... when you said "this tourney" I thought you meant... this tourney lol.
As in, this qualifier bracket (which is a tournament), not TSL4 ^^. I understand what you mean now There's only been 4 qualifiers so far though, and Select isn't even gone yet in this one! Stay positive
On June 21 2012 07:05 VPCursed wrote: I'm disappointed TL is having catz cast for them.. I had the displeasure of playing vs him in the race to GM yesterday which i happily made : ) however I couldn't believe this guy is big in the scene and considered professional.. here is the replay where I got upset after losing.. very reasonably but I don't think i deserved the out-lash that followed.. I hope TL will reconsider their caster line-up next time around.. or at the very least an apology for such un-professionalism. http://drop.sc/201162
So you were a douche to him on ladder and he responded by telling you his opinion of you. Honestly, what were you expecting when you implied that you were a much better player than him and he didn't deserve the outcome of that game?
People like you should be perm banned. Kindly STFU and never post again thx
you should try watching the game to put what i said in perspective, You believe this should be the standard to how professionals respond on ladder when someone gets upset?
On June 21 2012 07:05 VPCursed wrote: I'm disappointed TL is having catz cast for them.. I had the displeasure of playing vs him in the race to GM yesterday which i happily made : ) however I couldn't believe this guy is big in the scene and considered professional.. here is the replay where I got upset after losing.. very reasonably but I don't think i deserved the out-lash that followed.. I hope TL will reconsider their caster line-up next time around.. or at the very least an apology for such un-professionalism. http://drop.sc/201162
So you were a douche to him on ladder and he responded by telling you his opinion of you. Honestly, what were you expecting when you implied that you were a much better player than him and he didn't deserve the outcome of that game?
People like you should be perm banned. Kindly STFU and never post again thx
you should try watching the game to put what i said in perspective, You believe this should be the standard to how professionals respond on ladder when someone gets upset?
Don't get upset when you lose then? I haven't watched as I really can't say I care too much..
I like Selects decision to cheese so much (I believe he cheesed in all of the Select/Morrow game) because if he can cheese his way to victory now while Terrans are struggling then he can hope that Terrans find the answer to the current queen range before the actual tournament where he can do whatever he wants
On June 21 2012 07:05 VPCursed wrote: I'm disappointed TL is having catz cast for them.. I had the displeasure of playing vs him in the race to GM yesterday which i happily made : ) however I couldn't believe this guy is big in the scene and considered professional.. here is the replay where I got upset after losing.. very reasonably but I don't think i deserved the out-lash that followed.. I hope TL will reconsider their caster line-up next time around.. or at the very least an apology for such un-professionalism. http://drop.sc/201162
So you were a douche to him on ladder and he responded by telling you his opinion of you. Honestly, what were you expecting when you implied that you were a much better player than him and he didn't deserve the outcome of that game?
People like you should be perm banned. Kindly STFU and never post again thx
you should try watching the game to put what i said in perspective, You believe this should be the standard to how professionals respond on ladder when someone gets upset?
go cry somewhere else. if u want to say something to someone allways expect something back. don`t cry later on.
On June 21 2012 07:05 VPCursed wrote: I'm disappointed TL is having catz cast for them.. I had the displeasure of playing vs him in the race to GM yesterday which i happily made : ) however I couldn't believe this guy is big in the scene and considered professional.. here is the replay where I got upset after losing.. very reasonably but I don't think i deserved the out-lash that followed.. I hope TL will reconsider their caster line-up next time around.. or at the very least an apology for such un-professionalism. http://drop.sc/201162
Yeah man, how dare he respond to your bm, instead of taking it in silence! You need to contact ROOT's management and make them aware of this grave injustice.
difficult because root's management is kinda catz ;o
On June 21 2012 07:05 VPCursed wrote: I'm disappointed TL is having catz cast for them.. I had the displeasure of playing vs him in the race to GM yesterday which i happily made : ) however I couldn't believe this guy is big in the scene and considered professional.. here is the replay where I got upset after losing.. very reasonably but I don't think i deserved the out-lash that followed.. I hope TL will reconsider their caster line-up next time around.. or at the very least an apology for such un-professionalism. http://drop.sc/201162
So you were a douche to him on ladder and he responded by telling you his opinion of you. Honestly, what were you expecting when you implied that you were a much better player than him and he didn't deserve the outcome of that game?
People like you should be perm banned. Kindly STFU and never post again thx
you should try watching the game to put what i said in perspective, You believe this should be the standard to how professionals respond on ladder when someone gets upset?
Getting upset is standard, if he drops the N word and threatens the health of your family he shouldn't cast anymore. I don't see TL hiring Orb. I could care less what someone said in game, stop trying to get people fired and get a hold of yourself. It's just a game, and if you haven't been pissed at least once, go post on Reddit, maybe you'll get an E-cookie. If you have, stop being a hypocrite.
edit: Nice, SeleCT takes it for a TvP final, he should be happy about that. Poor Ret though, he had a great run
On June 21 2012 07:05 VPCursed wrote: I'm disappointed TL is having catz cast for them.. I had the displeasure of playing vs him in the race to GM yesterday which i happily made : ) however I couldn't believe this guy is big in the scene and considered professional.. here is the replay where I got upset after losing.. very reasonably but I don't think i deserved the out-lash that followed.. I hope TL will reconsider their caster line-up next time around.. or at the very least an apology for such un-professionalism. http://drop.sc/201162
So you were a douche to him on ladder and he responded by telling you his opinion of you. Honestly, what were you expecting when you implied that you were a much better player than him and he didn't deserve the outcome of that game?
People like you should be perm banned. Kindly STFU and never post again thx
you should try watching the game to put what i said in perspective, You believe this should be the standard to how professionals respond on ladder when someone gets upset?
What he said was very much called for. I was expecting something completely different. By watching the replay you're the one that's left standing in bad light, if anyone. Also, you had no answer to his burrowed infestor-harass. He played you like a fiddle with them.
Lol, Select tried to macro against Zerg and then came back to his senses and realized that double 2 rax was probably wiser xD He looked really lost in the matchup in his MLG Anaheim interview.
On June 21 2012 07:05 VPCursed wrote: I'm disappointed TL is having catz cast for them.. I had the displeasure of playing vs him in the race to GM yesterday which i happily made : ) however I couldn't believe this guy is big in the scene and considered professional.. here is the replay where I got upset after losing.. very reasonably but I don't think i deserved the out-lash that followed.. I hope TL will reconsider their caster line-up next time around.. or at the very least an apology for such un-professionalism. http://drop.sc/201162
So you were a douche to him on ladder and he responded by telling you his opinion of you. Honestly, what were you expecting when you implied that you were a much better player than him and he didn't deserve the outcome of that game?
People like you should be perm banned. Kindly STFU and never post again thx
you should try watching the game to put what i said in perspective, You believe this should be the standard to how professionals respond on ladder when someone gets upset?
What he said was very much called for. I was expecting something completely different. By watching the replay you're the one that's left standing in bad light, if anyone. Also, you had no answer to his burrowed infestor-harass. He played you like a fiddle with them.
There isn't an answer to it when the match-up is on a time clock... I either try to hunt it down early before i move out at 2-2.. or i leave alot of units behind making my push that much weaker.. and hunting it down just leaves me for less scans and mules in hopes of catching his infestors..... not even a planetary could hold that many infested terrans... it's just stupid
On June 21 2012 07:05 VPCursed wrote: I'm disappointed TL is having catz cast for them.. I had the displeasure of playing vs him in the race to GM yesterday which i happily made : ) however I couldn't believe this guy is big in the scene and considered professional.. here is the replay where I got upset after losing.. very reasonably but I don't think i deserved the out-lash that followed.. I hope TL will reconsider their caster line-up next time around.. or at the very least an apology for such un-professionalism. http://drop.sc/201162
So you were a douche to him on ladder and he responded by telling you his opinion of you. Honestly, what were you expecting when you implied that you were a much better player than him and he didn't deserve the outcome of that game?
People like you should be perm banned. Kindly STFU and never post again thx
you should try watching the game to put what i said in perspective, You believe this should be the standard to how professionals respond on ladder when someone gets upset?
Read the chat, seems fine. Nothing derogatory or racist, just called you a newb. You got upset because you lost, he got upset when you said you were better than him. When someone who is losing calls you a worse player than him, a troll response is a reasonable response. He could be super mannered about it, but I don't think that should be the expected response by any competitor in any game.
On June 21 2012 07:05 VPCursed wrote: I'm disappointed TL is having catz cast for them.. I had the displeasure of playing vs him in the race to GM yesterday which i happily made : ) however I couldn't believe this guy is big in the scene and considered professional.. here is the replay where I got upset after losing.. very reasonably but I don't think i deserved the out-lash that followed.. I hope TL will reconsider their caster line-up next time around.. or at the very least an apology for such un-professionalism. http://drop.sc/201162
So you were a douche to him on ladder and he responded by telling you his opinion of you. Honestly, what were you expecting when you implied that you were a much better player than him and he didn't deserve the outcome of that game?
People like you should be perm banned. Kindly STFU and never post again thx
you should try watching the game to put what i said in perspective, You believe this should be the standard to how professionals respond on ladder when someone gets upset?
Getting upset is standard, if he drops the N word and threatens the health of your family he shouldn't cast anymore. I don't see TL hiring Orb. I could care less what someone said in game, stop trying to get people fired and get a hold of yourself. It's just a game, and if you haven't been pissed at least once, go post on Reddit, maybe you'll get an E-cookie. If you have, stop being a hypocrite.
edit: Nice, SeleCT takes it for a TvP final, he should be happy about that. Poor Ret though, he had a great run
yeah I guess Ret would be just 2base all inned all day out of the finals
On June 21 2012 07:34 Sated wrote: I've never won against this opening, the Hellions are just too good. Hopefully Mana can show me something...
I guess not...
He split the Probes so well and still lost so many. I don't know what he could've done better >.<;
Mana needed 2-3 stalkers in his base... he only had a few zealots and a sentry, which couldn't chase down the hellions/ snipe the medivac in time before the damage was done.
On June 21 2012 07:36 Full.tilt wrote: Nice build from Select, can't let Mana get to his 2 base allin
Why would Mana 2-base all-in ? He is rather macro oriented in PvT and is better lategame than Select. This is just Select acknowledging that this is his highest chance to win.
On June 21 2012 07:34 Sated wrote: I've never won against this opening, the Hellions are just too good. Hopefully Mana can show me something...
I guess not...
He split the Probes so well and still lost so many. I don't know what he could've done better >.<;
Mana needed 2-3 stalkers in his base... he only had a few zealots and a sentry, which couldn't chase down the hellions/ snipe the medivac in time before the damage was done.
Do you know how long it takes for Stalkers to kill Hellions?
Yes, and it's much shorter than zealots or sentries.
On June 21 2012 07:36 Mentalizor wrote: When did SeleCT get so cheesy? Whatever happened to "Octopus Terran" ?
He's always been cheesy, the difference between him and other Terrans is that he can transition out of cheese with relative ease allowing him to continue games beyond his initial attack. His macro play in TvT and TvP has always been fantastic though so it's hard for his opponents to get a read on his builds sometimes.
I don't think I've ever seen him play a TvZ on shakuras where he didn't 2 rax. And people still lose to it lol. <3
Select is just playing smart, there are very very few Terrans who want to go lategame against Zerg or Protoss because Terran is at a serious disadvantage in that stage of the game
On June 21 2012 07:05 VPCursed wrote: I'm disappointed TL is having catz cast for them.. I had the displeasure of playing vs him in the race to GM yesterday which i happily made : ) however I couldn't believe this guy is big in the scene and considered professional.. here is the replay where I got upset after losing.. very reasonably but I don't think i deserved the out-lash that followed.. I hope TL will reconsider their caster line-up next time around.. or at the very least an apology for such un-professionalism. http://drop.sc/201162
So you were a douche to him on ladder and he responded by telling you his opinion of you. Honestly, what were you expecting when you implied that you were a much better player than him and he didn't deserve the outcome of that game?
People like you should be perm banned. Kindly STFU and never post again thx
you should try watching the game to put what i said in perspective, You believe this should be the standard to how professionals respond on ladder when someone gets upset?
You Were BM first.
He called you a piece of shit. If it was uncalled for maybe someone would care.
On June 21 2012 07:44 Morphage wrote: Select is just playing smart, there are very very few Terrans who want to go lategame against Zerg or Protoss because Terran is at a serious disadvantage in that stage of the game
Indeed he plays smart, but watching the stream chat, it makes all the kids cry.
On June 21 2012 07:47 Mentalizor wrote: CatZ bein honest telling Gretorp he's saying something wrong is something casters just wont do enough
It's a knife sharp at both ends really. You don't wanna look silly when your co-caster says something wrong and you don't say anything (which means you agree with him) but on the other hand, you really don't wanna correct your co-caster and make him look silly! So, it's a hard job to find a balance man!
On June 21 2012 07:47 Mentalizor wrote: CatZ bein honest telling Gretorp he's saying something wrong is something casters just wont do enough
It's a knife sharp at both ends really. You don't wanna look silly when your co-caster says something wrong and you don't say anything (which means you agree with him) but on the other hand, you really don't wanna correct your co-caster and make him look silly! So, it's a hard job to find a balance man!
no. you want to tell youre cocaster if hes wrong. but people dont do that. thats why all the casters suck. thats why they dont HAVE TO LEARN THE GAME. of course you shouldnt be like "lolol noob ur wrong haha" but more like "well, i disagree blablabla, but blablabla"
On June 21 2012 07:47 Mentalizor wrote: CatZ bein honest telling Gretorp he's saying something wrong is something casters just wont do enough
It's a knife sharp at both ends really. You don't wanna look silly when your co-caster says something wrong and you don't say anything (which means you agree with him) but on the other hand, you really don't wanna correct your co-caster and make him look silly! So, it's a hard job to find a balance man!
no. you want to tell youre cocaster if hes wrong. but people dont do that. thats why all the casters suck. thats why they dont HAVE TO LEARN THE GAME. of course you shouldnt be like "lolol noob ur wrong haha" but more like "well, i disagree blablabla, but blablabla"
No, if your cocaster says something wrong on a factual level or calling the game wrong you have to wait for him to stop talking, at that point maybe you have time to say something before something important happens in game. If you do, great, it's a very easy fix, if not, then you can't say anything and it's no use correcting something that happened 2min ago, you just look like an ass. It's hard even for very skilled casters to do, you know this going into a dual cast though.
Comments on TL: mana 2-base allin on DH =OMG WTF noob, give us good games, not just imba strategy! Select 1 base allin vs mana = Good game, he know how to play. Great player!
On June 21 2012 08:06 Exil wrote: Comments on TL: mana 2-base allin on DH =OMG WTF noob, give us good games, not just imba strategy! Select 1 base allin vs mana = Good game, he know how to play. Great player!
That's because Terran can't win lategame. He is making all the smart choices! I don't know about Protoss lategame vs Zerg, if it's broken them Mana is smart too.
On June 21 2012 08:06 Exil wrote: Comments on TL: mana 2-base allin on DH =OMG WTF noob, give us good games, not just imba strategy! Select 1 base allin vs mana = Good game, he know how to play. Great player!
On June 21 2012 07:47 Mentalizor wrote: CatZ bein honest telling Gretorp he's saying something wrong is something casters just wont do enough
It's a knife sharp at both ends really. You don't wanna look silly when your co-caster says something wrong and you don't say anything (which means you agree with him) but on the other hand, you really don't wanna correct your co-caster and make him look silly! So, it's a hard job to find a balance man!
no. you want to tell youre cocaster if hes wrong. but people dont do that. thats why all the casters suck. thats why they dont HAVE TO LEARN THE GAME. of course you shouldnt be like "lolol noob ur wrong haha" but more like "well, i disagree blablabla, but blablabla"
No, if your cocaster says something wrong on a factual level or calling the game wrong you have to wait for him to stop talking, at that point maybe you have time to say something before something important happens in game. If you do, great, it's a very easy fix, if not, then you can't say anything and it's no use correcting something that happened 2min ago, you just look like an ass. It's hard even for very skilled casters to do, you know this going into a dual cast though.
as i said, do it in a mannered fashion and obviously dont interrupt him :> my main point is dont let bullshit uncorrected its really annoying for me
On June 21 2012 08:06 Exil wrote: Comments on TL: mana 2-base allin on DH =OMG WTF noob, give us good games, not just imba strategy! Select 1 base allin vs mana = Good game, he know how to play. Great player!
That's because Terran can't win lategame. He is making all the smart choices! I don't know about Protoss lategame vs Zerg, if it's broken them Mana is smart too.
Select is smart in the sense that he is weaker player and so chooses cheese. His macro is rather bad.
Hilariously ineffective play by Select. I mean, sitting with two idle Ebays for such a long time is just inexusable, it's a D level mistake (Iccup-term).
Anyone remember when Tyler was the only person upgrading his units? I'm being a little facetious but there was one game where Nony's 3-3 zealot killed 25 SCVs because they were at 0-0 and couldn't damage the zealot. That was 2010. Select shouldn't have that much trouble upgrading his units.
On June 21 2012 08:06 Exil wrote: Comments on TL: mana 2-base allin on DH =OMG WTF noob, give us good games, not just imba strategy! Select 1 base allin vs mana = Good game, he know how to play. Great player!
yea the terran whine is unbearable
to be fair, 2base allins PvZ are a lot more common than 1base allins TvP
That pylon by MaNa is just so great, very calm decision making after he scouts the proxy rax. He's just been on the ball so far this series aside from a bit of miscontrol in G3
On June 21 2012 08:20 McFeser wrote: Anyone remember when Tyler was the only person upgrading his units? I'm being a little facetious but there was one game where Nony's 3-3 zealot killed 25 SCVs because they were at 0-0 and couldn't damage the zealot. That was 2010. Select shouldn't have that much trouble upgrading his units.
Yes, Nony did pioneer double forge, but Strelok wasn't at 0-0, it's just that scvs don't benefit from attack upgrades, so they did almost no damage at all. And this was in 2011, not 2010, it was the first round of tsl3.
On June 21 2012 08:20 McFeser wrote: Anyone remember when Tyler was the only person upgrading his units? I'm being a little facetious but there was one game where Nony's 3-3 zealot killed 25 SCVs because they were at 0-0 and couldn't damage the zealot. That was 2010. Select shouldn't have that much trouble upgrading his units.
Yes, Nony did pioneer double forge, but Strelok wasn't at 0-0, it's just that scvs don't benefit from attack upgrades, so they did almost no damage at all. And this was in 2011, not 2010, it was the first round of tsl3.
Ah thanks! That was a fun game. Strelok had horrible upgrades though right?
But point being, Select should have upgraded his units more. It's really weird that he didn't.
GG Mana I really like that he won that qualifier, he's on a roll in past week. 1 year of progaming counting down from may ! He will probably do what Stephano did and after this year takes another one :D
That was a rather underwhelming performance by both players... Select clearly looked out of shape in this series. Well, now both Mana and Nerchio qualified for TSL4, at least that's cool
On June 21 2012 08:34 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Such a rewarding moment for our system to see Mana qualify for TSL right after he wins Dreamhack.
You gotta be pretty proud of Ret and Sheth for their runs today as well I bet, truly a pretty cool day for Liquid.
Yea Sheth is getting up there with his point count. If he can keep this up he'll have enough pretty soon. Ret got some nice points as well but needs some more.
I wonder why the stats always show that there are least terrans playing. Forget about balance for a bit, this stretches back to the TLOpens that were TL qualifiers (and the ones that weren't, but they were obviously vastly smaller and so less relevant). I remember checking, and almost all of them had the least number of terrans playing. And this was when people were still happily whining about terran imbalance. And I was under the assumption that terran was at the very least the second most played race at that point, ahead of zerg.
I really hope we can get like 4-6 people casting KR qualifiers. It's hilarious how 59 people are registered, and 59 "Notable Players" are registered. http://www.teamliquid.net/tournaments/admin/?action=view&id=3220 Pretty sure that fact alone justifies that most of them need to be casted. I know in the last KR qualifier Terrans got smashed, but if anyone can give us a legitimate answer to zerg, it's going to be Koreans.
On June 21 2012 08:54 MrCash wrote: I really hope we can get like 4-6 people casting KR qualifiers. It's hilarious how 59 people are registered, and 59 "Notable Players" are registered. http://www.teamliquid.net/tournaments/admin/?action=view&id=3220 Pretty sure that fact alone justifies that most of them need to be casted. I know in the last KR qualifier Terrans got smashed, but if anyone can give us a legitimate answer to zerg, it's going to be Koreans.
Because it is much harder for casters to go to Korea, get in touch with the players and stream matches, we try to release replay packs immediately after a round is done. These replays can be used for casting right away in case anyone wants to attach themselves to the event as a caster.
On June 21 2012 08:54 MrCash wrote: I really hope we can get like 4-6 people casting KR qualifiers. It's hilarious how 59 people are registered, and 59 "Notable Players" are registered. http://www.teamliquid.net/tournaments/admin/?action=view&id=3220 Pretty sure that fact alone justifies that most of them need to be casted. I know in the last KR qualifier Terrans got smashed, but if anyone can give us a legitimate answer to zerg, it's going to be Koreans.
Because it is much harder for casters to go to Korea, get in touch with the players and stream matches, we try to release replay packs immediately after a round is done. These replays can be used for casting right away in case anyone wants to attach themselves to the event as a caster.
you guys are doing awesome with the replay releases thanks
On June 21 2012 08:34 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Such a rewarding moment for our system to see Mana qualify for TSL right after he wins Dreamhack.
You gotta be pretty proud of Ret and Sheth for their runs today as well I bet, truly a pretty cool day for Liquid.
Yea Sheth is getting up there with his point count. If he can keep this up he'll have enough pretty soon. Ret got some nice points as well but needs some more.
Ruh roh. Someone doesn't believe Ret and Sheth can win a qualifier.
On June 21 2012 08:34 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Such a rewarding moment for our system to see Mana qualify for TSL right after he wins Dreamhack.
You gotta be pretty proud of Ret and Sheth for their runs today as well I bet, truly a pretty cool day for Liquid.
Yea Sheth is getting up there with his point count. If he can keep this up he'll have enough pretty soon. Ret got some nice points as well but needs some more.
Ruh roh. Someone doesn't believe Ret and Sheth can win a qualifier.
Always gotta be somebody looking to whip up some Drama.
For someone who has followed all the qualifiers so far this one was by far the most stacked one. So many good players in and so many good ppl from RO32 onwards. This is turning into an awesome qualifier. Next ones are gonna be even more stacked since ppl gotta start getting some points fast.
On June 21 2012 11:02 torm3ntin wrote: gratz mana.
For someone who has followed all the qualifiers so far this one was by far the most stacked one. So many good players in and so many good ppl from RO32 onwards. This is turning into an awesome qualifier. Next ones are gonna be even more stacked since ppl gotta start getting some points fast.
On June 21 2012 11:02 torm3ntin wrote: gratz mana.
For someone who has followed all the qualifiers so far this one was by far the most stacked one. So many good players in and so many good ppl from RO32 onwards. This is turning into an awesome qualifier. Next ones are gonna be even more stacked since ppl gotta start getting some points fast.
more stacked than the korea qual???
I think he's more referring to that the top of the bracket was players you could predict have a high shot of qualifying.
As good as Seed and Curious are, the last KR qualifier had a lot of Code A/B players at the top end of the bracket with few Code S players.
Random bit of info, mainly for the 5k people on Ret's stream that were saying Mafia streamcheated or w/e. The guy just hit Rank 1 GM on Korea, maybe you can admit you were wrong now and show some respect. Just because he is not well known internationally does not mean he is therefore bad and if he beats your hero that does not mean he is cheating, people frustrate me sometimes
On June 21 2012 08:06 Exil wrote: Comments on TL: mana 2-base allin on DH =OMG WTF noob, give us good games, not just imba strategy! Select 1 base allin vs mana = Good game, he know how to play. Great player!
yea the terran whine is unbearable
to be fair, 2base allins PvZ are a lot more common than 1base allins TvP
What about beautiful times of 1/1/1?? There are trends in SC2, just like in fashion. On a serious note, the moment Z will learn how to stop those stalker/immortal/sentry push this 2 base PvZ style will go away. P players do that because its most of the time a guaranteed win. Also why P should not punish a Z which is skipping mid-game and goes straight from tier 1.5 to tier 3?
On June 21 2012 08:34 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Such a rewarding moment for our system to see Mana qualify for TSL right after he wins Dreamhack.
You gotta be pretty proud of Ret and Sheth for their runs today as well I bet, truly a pretty cool day for Liquid.
Yea Sheth is getting up there with his point count. If he can keep this up he'll have enough pretty soon. Ret got some nice points as well but needs some more.
Ruh roh. Someone doesn't believe Ret and Sheth can win a qualifier.
I think a lot of the players can win the qualifier. Maybe that's probably why the point system is also there.
On June 21 2012 11:02 torm3ntin wrote: gratz mana.
For someone who has followed all the qualifiers so far this one was by far the most stacked one. So many good players in and so many good ppl from RO32 onwards. This is turning into an awesome qualifier. Next ones are gonna be even more stacked since ppl gotta start getting some points fast.
more stacked than the korea qual???
I think he's more referring to that the top of the bracket was players you could predict have a high shot of qualifying.
As good as Seed and Curious are, the last KR qualifier had a lot of Code A/B players at the top end of the bracket with few Code S players.
To be fair, those Code A/B players would roflstomp most europeans including Mana.
So am I the only one who cannot find the vods? I'm wondering why they don't allow you to review past broadcasts on the teamliquid twitch stream. They say they are going to post the vods on their youtube channel but they haven't posted any of the prior qualifiers that I can tell at least. Maybe I'm stupid and I don't see them, sometimes my youtube glitches and I can't see newly updated videos until days later.
On June 21 2012 11:02 torm3ntin wrote: gratz mana.
For someone who has followed all the qualifiers so far this one was by far the most stacked one. So many good players in and so many good ppl from RO32 onwards. This is turning into an awesome qualifier. Next ones are gonna be even more stacked since ppl gotta start getting some points fast.
more stacked than the korea qual???
I think he's more referring to that the top of the bracket was players you could predict have a high shot of qualifying.
As good as Seed and Curious are, the last KR qualifier had a lot of Code A/B players at the top end of the bracket with few Code S players.
To be fair, those Code A/B players would roflstomp most europeans including Mana.
To be fair, those Code A/B players would roflstomp most europeans including Mana.
To be fair, you clrealy dont know EU scene, we are not NA We have much more and much better players. Last DH show that again... HerO, Puma, JYP, Keen, TaeJa... they got destroyed.
On June 21 2012 11:02 torm3ntin wrote: gratz mana.
For someone who has followed all the qualifiers so far this one was by far the most stacked one. So many good players in and so many good ppl from RO32 onwards. This is turning into an awesome qualifier. Next ones are gonna be even more stacked since ppl gotta start getting some points fast.
more stacked than the korea qual???
I think he's more referring to that the top of the bracket was players you could predict have a high shot of qualifying.
As good as Seed and Curious are, the last KR qualifier had a lot of Code A/B players at the top end of the bracket with few Code S players.
To be fair, those Code A/B players would roflstomp most europeans including Mana.
To be fair, those Code A/B players would roflstomp most europeans including Mana.
To be fair, you clrealy dont know EU scene, we are not NA We have much more and much better players. Last DH show that again... HerO, Puma, JYP, Keen, TaeJa... they got destroyed.
Teaja lost to Hero, Hero lost to PvP, Jyp lost one series... Yeah they really got destroyed.
On June 21 2012 11:02 torm3ntin wrote: gratz mana.
For someone who has followed all the qualifiers so far this one was by far the most stacked one. So many good players in and so many good ppl from RO32 onwards. This is turning into an awesome qualifier. Next ones are gonna be even more stacked since ppl gotta start getting some points fast.
more stacked than the korea qual???
I think he's more referring to that the top of the bracket was players you could predict have a high shot of qualifying.
As good as Seed and Curious are, the last KR qualifier had a lot of Code A/B players at the top end of the bracket with few Code S players.
To be fair, those Code A/B players would roflstomp most europeans including Mana.
ask LiquidHero, he'd disagree ;P
TBH Mana was pretty lucky in the deciding game, altho that observer snipe was pure genius.
Wow such a fantastic line up already.. some of my favourite players like NonY, iNcontrol, HuK, HayprO, Sheth, qxc, ClouD & White-Ra are attending, and there are still lots of names comming =) =)
EPT
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