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silent_owl
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines3098 Posts
June 12 2012 16:25 GMT
#3041
NANIWA FIGHTING! Never lost faith in you, sir! GO FOR GOLD!
"If you know your enemy and yourself, you need not fear the results of a hundred battles." - Sun Tzu
Aeroplaneoverthesea
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom1977 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-12 16:50:38
June 12 2012 16:48 GMT
#3042
On June 13 2012 00:11 [17]Purple wrote:
Would people consider NaNiwa a "StarTale" Protoss? He would be wouldn't he since he has lived and trained there for such a long time and would SaSe count as well?


I think he is a Startale Protoss much like Huk was an oGs Protoss. He's lived in the Startale house for about 8 months now (and iirc he lived in it before that for a while before the Complexity/MVP partnership) which is a long, long time in Sc2 terms. No doubt they've shaped his play far more than Quantic, Dignitas or Complexity ever did.

On June 13 2012 00:26 -TesteR- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2012 00:23 Bam Lee wrote:
On June 13 2012 00:17 -TesteR- wrote:
Nani legit Code S protoss, holy fuck



needs to show his pvz skill still


despite nani saying pvz is his worst, it should be okay. especially considering his closest teammate (SaSe) just killed stephano's "unbeatable zvp"


Only in the mind of the delusional foreign fanboy would this make even the least bit of sense. It's so unfathomably ridiculous it barely merits comment. Inca and MC were pretty close too, but MC slays Zergs in his sleep and Inca is the worst PvZ player (alongside Mana) in professional Starcraft.

As for the Sase/Stephano series Stephano was due a loss in ZvP given he hasn't lost vs a foreign Protoss in what seems like forever. Despite the result I thought Stephano looked the better player and Sase took a lot of big risks (realising he wasn't going to beat Stephano without gambling) and I would expect Stephano to win if it was a best of 7 or should they meet again.

Naniwa's only played 8 games on PvZ in the last three months (and none since April) in which he managed:

vs Hyun 0-2 Loss
vs Nerchio 0-2 Loss
vs Slivko 0-2 Loss
vs Denkan 2-0 Win.

I have no idea who Denkan is and his 0-6 overall record on TLPD suggests he's an ameatur so vs actual players Naniwa's manage 0 wins and 6 losses since March suggest his PvZ is at best unproven and at worst a liability. Three months is definitely enough time to turn things around but given he's not played Zergs for months I imagine he hasn't been training his PvZ much either so isn't too likely to have stumbled across a revolution in his play.

Not that having terrible PvZ (theoretically, it's unproven really) stops him being a Code S level player. Loads of Code S level players are a bit useless in one matchup.
Swords
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
6038 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-12 16:57:08
June 12 2012 16:56 GMT
#3043
On June 13 2012 01:48 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2012 00:11 [17]Purple wrote:
Would people consider NaNiwa a "StarTale" Protoss? He would be wouldn't he since he has lived and trained there for such a long time and would SaSe count as well?


I think he is a Startale Protoss much like Huk was an oGs Protoss. He's lived in the Startale house for about 8 months now (and iirc he lived in it before that for a while before the Complexity/MVP partnership) which is a long, long time in Sc2 terms. No doubt they've shaped his play far more than Quantic, Dignitas or Complexity ever did.

Show nested quote +
On June 13 2012 00:26 -TesteR- wrote:
On June 13 2012 00:23 Bam Lee wrote:
On June 13 2012 00:17 -TesteR- wrote:
Nani legit Code S protoss, holy fuck



needs to show his pvz skill still


despite nani saying pvz is his worst, it should be okay. especially considering his closest teammate (SaSe) just killed stephano's "unbeatable zvp"


Only in the mind of the delusional foreign fanboy would this make even the least bit of sense. It's so unfathomably ridiculous it barely merits comment. Inca and MC were pretty close too, but MC slays Zergs in his sleep and Inca is the worst PvZ player (alongside Mana) in professional Starcraft.

As for the Sase/Stephano series Stephano was due a loss in ZvP given he hasn't lost vs a foreign Protoss in what seems like forever. Despite the result I thought Stephano looked the better player and Sase took a lot of big risks (realising he wasn't going to beat Stephano without gambling) and I would expect Stephano to win if it was a best of 7 or should they meet again.

Naniwa's only played 8 games on PvZ in the last three months (and none since April) in which he managed:

vs Hyun 0-2 Loss
vs Nerchio 0-2 Loss
vs Slivko 0-2 Loss
vs Denkan 2-0 Win.

I have no idea who Denkan is and his 0-6 overall record on TLPD suggests he's an ameatur so vs actual players Naniwa's manage 0 wins and 6 losses since March suggest his PvZ is at best unproven and at worst a liability. Three months is definitely enough time to turn things around but given he's not played Zergs for months I imagine he hasn't been training his PvZ much either so isn't too likely to have stumbled across a revolution in his play.

Not that having terrible PvZ (theoretically, it's unproven really) stops him being a Code S level player. Loads of Code S level players are a bit useless in one matchup.


I agree that NaNi's PvZ is likely his worst matchup, but the results you cited are fairly useless. I believe all of them came from Dreamhack while NaNi was still practicing for his matches with MVP and had previously been facing all terrans in the GSL. As a result he hadn't practiced PvZ for 3 weeks before the tournament. This doesn't mean he's actually good in PvZ, but it does mean losing to someone like Denkan is kind of an anomaly. You could tell at DH he had no idea what he was doing.
Kergy
Profile Joined December 2010
Peru2011 Posts
June 12 2012 16:58 GMT
#3044
nanniverr!!!!
Everyday Girl's Day~!
hayata2.0
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada655 Posts
June 12 2012 17:04 GMT
#3045
Naniwa manages to (magically) dodge PvZ again. A good thing for him, I'd presume.
gedatsu
Profile Joined December 2011
1286 Posts
June 12 2012 17:04 GMT
#3046
No winner interviews today?
Wrathsc2
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2025 Posts
June 12 2012 17:06 GMT
#3047
On June 13 2012 02:04 hayata2.0 wrote:
Naniwa manages to (magically) dodge PvZ again. A good thing for him, I'd presume.


im really getting tired of him getting by with pvp. It makes him look like the best foregnor when his pvz and pvt probably arent as good
A marine walks into a bar and asks, "Wheres the counter?"
Cuh
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States403 Posts
June 12 2012 17:08 GMT
#3048
Its hard when you really want three to advance, sorry Creator...
MarineKing | Nestea | MC
MattBarry
Profile Joined March 2011
United States4006 Posts
June 12 2012 17:10 GMT
#3049
On June 13 2012 02:06 radiantshadow92 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2012 02:04 hayata2.0 wrote:
Naniwa manages to (magically) dodge PvZ again. A good thing for him, I'd presume.


im really getting tired of him getting by with pvp. It makes him look like the best foregnor when his pvz and pvt probably arent as good

Yeah Naniwa never beat MVP and Nestea or anything.
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zmansman17
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2567 Posts
June 12 2012 17:11 GMT
#3050
Go Naniwa!
♞ - His EKG is flattening get me a defib stat! Prepped and Ready! - ♞
Kkxtrouble
Profile Joined April 2012
Brazil575 Posts
June 12 2012 17:12 GMT
#3051
On June 13 2012 02:06 radiantshadow92 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2012 02:04 hayata2.0 wrote:
Naniwa manages to (magically) dodge PvZ again. A good thing for him, I'd presume.


im really getting tired of him getting by with pvp. It makes him look like the best foregnor when his pvz and pvt probably arent as good

Well, he did beat TheStc.
I pledge myself to conquer all the foes who stand before the mighty gift bestowed in my unworthy hand
Aeroplaneoverthesea
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom1977 Posts
June 12 2012 17:13 GMT
#3052
On June 13 2012 02:10 MattBarry wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2012 02:06 radiantshadow92 wrote:
On June 13 2012 02:04 hayata2.0 wrote:
Naniwa manages to (magically) dodge PvZ again. A good thing for him, I'd presume.


im really getting tired of him getting by with pvp. It makes him look like the best foregnor when his pvz and pvt probably arent as good

Yeah Naniwa never beat MVP and Nestea or anything.


Results from seven months ago are very relevant.

Seven months ago MMA was the best player in the world and MarineKing was a washed up has been.
-TesteR-
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1165 Posts
June 12 2012 17:23 GMT
#3053
On June 13 2012 01:48 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:


Show nested quote +
On June 13 2012 00:26 -TesteR- wrote:
On June 13 2012 00:23 Bam Lee wrote:
On June 13 2012 00:17 -TesteR- wrote:
Nani legit Code S protoss, holy fuck



needs to show his pvz skill still


despite nani saying pvz is his worst, it should be okay. especially considering his closest teammate (SaSe) just killed stephano's "unbeatable zvp"


Only in the mind of the delusional foreign fanboy would this make even the least bit of sense. It's so unfathomably ridiculous it barely merits comment. Inca and MC were pretty close too, but MC slays Zergs in his sleep and Inca is the worst PvZ player (alongside Mana) in professional Starcraft.



stupidity of this comment astounds me. Teammates may have similar styles/strengths/weaknesses, I don't see what's so hard to grasp about that concept. Of course there are some who don't (Inca and MC) and some who might (Naniwa and SaSe), but it is absolutely retarded to think a players skill isn't at least somewhat impacted by their teammates...
OhThatDang
Profile Joined August 2004
United States4685 Posts
June 12 2012 17:23 GMT
#3054
On June 13 2012 02:04 hayata2.0 wrote:
Naniwa manages to (magically) dodge PvZ again. A good thing for him, I'd presume.


I think he would have practiced a ton of pvz for this group since there were all 3 races
troi oi thang map nai!!!
Dotq
Profile Joined March 2012
Norway235 Posts
June 12 2012 17:24 GMT
#3055
On June 13 2012 02:06 radiantshadow92 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2012 02:04 hayata2.0 wrote:
Naniwa manages to (magically) dodge PvZ again. A good thing for him, I'd presume.


im really getting tired of him getting by with pvp. It makes him look like the best foregnor when his pvz and pvt probably arent as good


One word for you: Ignorant.
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
June 12 2012 17:30 GMT
#3056
On June 13 2012 01:48 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:As for the Sase/Stephano series Stephano was due a loss in ZvP given he hasn't lost vs a foreign Protoss in what seems like forever. Despite the result I thought Stephano looked the better player and Sase took a lot of big risks (realising he wasn't going to beat Stephano without gambling) and I would expect Stephano to win if it was a best of 7 or should they meet again.


What big risks did SaSe take? Stephano was the one who did a baneling bust mate
sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
June 12 2012 17:44 GMT
#3057
On June 13 2012 02:06 radiantshadow92 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2012 02:04 hayata2.0 wrote:
Naniwa manages to (magically) dodge PvZ again. A good thing for him, I'd presume.


im really getting tired of him getting by with pvp. It makes him look like the best foregnor when his pvz and pvt probably arent as good

this is like saying how MMA was getting by on TvT when he won the gold.. a win is a win regardless of race he played against.
-Kyo-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Japan1926 Posts
June 12 2012 17:54 GMT
#3058
On June 13 2012 02:13 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2012 02:10 MattBarry wrote:
On June 13 2012 02:06 radiantshadow92 wrote:
On June 13 2012 02:04 hayata2.0 wrote:
Naniwa manages to (magically) dodge PvZ again. A good thing for him, I'd presume.


im really getting tired of him getting by with pvp. It makes him look like the best foregnor when his pvz and pvt probably arent as good

Yeah Naniwa never beat MVP and Nestea or anything.


Results from seven months ago are very relevant.

Seven months ago MMA was the best player in the world and MarineKing was a washed up has been.


People like you seriously should never post on these forums. You act like you know "exactly" how a player is playing at that moment in time due to tournament results. Here is a new tip:

Players may not "seem" as good as they are due to brackets, schedules, how they feel, etc they may not do as well in that exact setting as another player. Therefore, just because one player appears better than another to main stream viewers this does not mean he's "actually" better. MMA and MKP have been, and always will be, very good players. MMA always has the chance to do incredibly well, and MKP has the same talent. Saying one was a washed up has been proves you have zero knowledge of how volatile this game is, and this is amplified even more so for other races.
Anime is cuter than you. Legacy of the Void GM Protoss Gameplay: twitch.tv/kyo7763 youtube.com/user/KyoStarcraft/
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ceaRshaf
Profile Joined August 2009
Romania4926 Posts
June 12 2012 17:56 GMT
#3059
On June 13 2012 02:10 MattBarry wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2012 02:06 radiantshadow92 wrote:
On June 13 2012 02:04 hayata2.0 wrote:
Naniwa manages to (magically) dodge PvZ again. A good thing for him, I'd presume.


im really getting tired of him getting by with pvp. It makes him look like the best foregnor when his pvz and pvt probably arent as good

Yeah Naniwa never beat MVP and Nestea or anything.


Or DRG, Leenock, Nestea again, STC today. Naniwa is just bad. He had luck to get that undeserved seed.

/lame haters

Everything related with Naniwa is bad but if every other foreigner were in his place statues would have been raised and babies sacrificed in his name.
Mess with the best, die like the rest.
KadaverBB
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany25657 Posts
June 12 2012 18:01 GMT
#3060
Well done Naniwa
AdministratorLaws change depending on who's making them, but justice is justice
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