EPTOn May 02 2012 23:14 zefreak wrote:
I think you have, and I support the Seeker Icon Initiative!
I think you have, and I support the Seeker Icon Initiative!
As do I!
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Xarles
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Swampsteel
United States94 Posts
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DamageControL
United States4222 Posts
On May 02 2012 22:19 shadymmj wrote: i think that was also partly due to the fact that no player would ever want to get into a late game macro war with him without having a significant advantage. He was also first known for cheesing bisu (much to my chagrin) and actually was sort of a bad cheesy player at one point. | ||
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Big-t
Austria1351 Posts
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MayorITC
Korea (South)798 Posts
If you really think MVP can only cheese then stop running your mouth on these forums, go back and watch some GSL videos from past seasons. He didn't get all his titles by cheesing his way to first place. | ||
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Eshra
France1009 Posts
On May 02 2012 23:23 Sroobz wrote: Winning a BO5 (regardless of how you win) makes you the better player. Well I don't agree, but there again it's very relying on the way you define what " better " is. I don't think that debate would be relevant here. | ||
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ShakkaFL
Norway647 Posts
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murtas
Portugal249 Posts
4-3 vs Squirtle Grand Finals. Calling it now. Edit: Eich, read the interviews and Parting already predicted him winning the championship 4:3 agaisnt Squirtle. Smart guy. | ||
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Kergy
Peru2011 Posts
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m3rciless
United States1476 Posts
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DrPandaPhD
5188 Posts
I think Seeker should have a "Feel free to send me a new banner. If i don't get one I will use this standard one" icon. And yeah, that would definitely not be too long, no, not at all. | ||
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Choboo
Sweden2088 Posts
Maybe he should just get an icon that says "Attention" next to his name? ^^. too bad about Nani tho, he'll make it next season TT;; but go Parting!! Parting vs Squirtle finals plz | ||
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GodOfWar
870 Posts
On May 02 2012 23:38 MayorITC wrote: MVP has always been known for his VARIETY of builds. He cheeses more in TvP than the other two match-ups, but you're insane if you think MVP can't play late-game. I'm sure he would prefer avoiding it because of the current late-game TvP status and his wrist issues, but I wouldn't count him out on it. If you really think MVP can only cheese then stop running your mouth on these forums, go back and watch some GSL videos from past seasons. He didn't get all his titles by cheesing his way to first place. dont take a bunch of frustrated and sad swedes too serious, lol next round they gonna be like GOGO MVP again, supporting the player they know is a true champion. bashing players like MVP and aLive for being incredible good at executing a bunker push, and timing push in general doesnt really make them look smart anyway, since everyone knows they are known as some of the best Macro players in the world. | ||
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Sikly
United States413 Posts
On May 02 2012 23:38 Eshra wrote: Well I don't agree, but there again it's very relying on the way you define what " better " is. I don't think that debate would be relevant here. This is an easy argument to win. Their is no grey area. If you are better than your opponent, you will beat him. MVP is obviously better than Naniwa, as he beat him. Not taking anything away from Naniwa, losing to a 3 time GSL champion and the player with the most impressive resume in sc2 is nothing to be ashamed at. But he lost, he is not the better player. Especially when you consider the fact that MVP is injured. Their is only winning and losing in this game. That was one of the reasons MKP's kong curse was so huge, he could never win when it mattered. That competitive part of the game is the life of the game. The better player wins. Whether that is through mind games, pure micro ability, pure macro ability, or being the better player in all aspects, the better player wins, as long as its more than a best of 1. It's irrelevant if Naniwa is a "better" player, MVP is the one moving on to the round of 4. Honestly, Parting beating OZ really screwed up my predictions for how this season was going to play out. I was thinking Taeja was going to go up against OZ in the finals and win, but now hope Hero manages to make it through, because I highly doubt Taeja can beat Parting in TvP. Parting is just too damn good. Although Taeja winning against Parting would be amazingly epic. I just want a Liquid player to win! Well, I wouldn't be sad if MVP won, but I don't see him having the endurance to win the finals, if he can somehow take down Parting. | ||
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Gator
United States3432 Posts
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Yaki
France4234 Posts
On May 02 2012 23:38 MayorITC wrote: MVP has always been known for his VARIETY of builds. He cheeses more in TvP than the other two match-ups, but you're insane if you think MVP can't play late-game. I'm sure he would prefer avoiding it because of the current late-game TvP status and his wrist issues, but I wouldn't count him out on it. If you really think MVP can only cheese then stop running your mouth on these forums, go back and watch some GSL videos from past seasons. He didn't get all his titles by cheesing his way to first place. don't even need to watch previous seasons vods, just watch his ro32 and ro16 games of this season | ||
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Ausfailia
Australia123 Posts
On May 02 2012 23:38 MayorITC wrote: MVP has always been known for his VARIETY of builds. He cheeses more in TvP than the other two match-ups, but you're insane if you think MVP can't play late-game. I'm sure he would prefer avoiding it because of the current late-game TvP status and his wrist issues, but I wouldn't count him out on it. If you really think MVP can only cheese then stop running your mouth on these forums, go back and watch some GSL videos from past seasons. He didn't get all his titles by cheesing his way to first place. I think most of the people whining hard about mvp were super-casuals in European/U.S. timezones who probably tune into the GSL about once a year... Nobody who actually knows about the SC2 scene is actually doubting mvp's prowess. | ||
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MaNaVoId
492 Posts
On May 02 2012 23:59 draumr wrote: This is an easy argument to win. Their is no grey area. If you are better than your opponent, you will beat him. MVP is obviously better than Naniwa, as he beat him. Not taking anything away from Naniwa, losing to a 3 time GSL champion and the player with the most impressive resume in sc2 is nothing to be ashamed at. But he lost, he is not the better player. Especially when you consider the fact that MVP is injured. Their is only winning and losing in this game. That was one of the reasons MKP's kong curse was so huge, he could never win when it mattered. That competitive part of the game is the life of the game. The better player wins. Whether that is through mind games, pure micro ability, pure macro ability, or being the better player in all aspects, the better player wins, as long as its more than a best of 1. It's irrelevant if Naniwa is a "better" player, MVP is the one moving on to the round of 4. Honestly, Parting beating OZ really screwed up my predictions for how this season was going to play out. I was thinking Taeja was going to go up against OZ in the finals and win, but now hope Hero manages to make it through, because I highly doubt Taeja can beat Parting in TvP. Parting is just too damn good. Although Taeja winning against Parting would be amazingly epic. I just want a Liquid player to win! Well, I wouldn't be sad if MVP won, but I don't see him having the endurance to win the finals, if he can somehow take down Parting. Lol u are talking like as if squirtle is already out of the tournament when he is the one that you should never underestimate. | ||
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rysecake
United States2632 Posts
Can't wait to see Flash bit by bit everyone. | ||
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zefreak
United States2731 Posts
On May 02 2012 23:59 draumr wrote: This is an easy argument to win. Their is no grey area. If you are better than your opponent, you will beat him. MVP is obviously better than Naniwa, as he beat him. Not taking anything away from Naniwa, losing to a 3 time GSL champion and the player with the most impressive resume in sc2 is nothing to be ashamed at. But he lost, he is not the better player. Especially when you consider the fact that MVP is injured. Their is only winning and losing in this game. That was one of the reasons MKP's kong curse was so huge, he could never win when it mattered. That competitive part of the game is the life of the game. The better player wins. Whether that is through mind games, pure micro ability, pure macro ability, or being the better player in all aspects, the better player wins, as long as its more than a best of 1. It's irrelevant if Naniwa is a "better" player, MVP is the one moving on to the round of 4. Honestly, Parting beating OZ really screwed up my predictions for how this season was going to play out. I was thinking Taeja was going to go up against OZ in the finals and win, but now hope Hero manages to make it through, because I highly doubt Taeja can beat Parting in TvP. Parting is just too damn good. Although Taeja winning against Parting would be amazingly epic. I just want a Liquid player to win! Well, I wouldn't be sad if MVP won, but I don't see him having the endurance to win the finals, if he can somehow take down Parting. I don't think I agree with you and it's certainly not as black and white as you make it seem. I define 'better' as winning a best of N where N approaches infinity. For example, if you were to ask who had better TvP, MKP or JJakji? The answer is who would have a higher winrate in a boN against a weighted average of protoss players and types. Winning a bo5 against one player doesn't even show who is the better in a head to head, let alone 'better' in general (which would be an average of ones winrates in all matchups, I guess). And I'm a huge Mvp fan, and do think he is better than Naniwa, so I'm not just arguing with you because we like different players | ||
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