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Xarles
Profile Joined July 2011
459 Posts
May 02 2012 14:30 GMT
#3861
On May 02 2012 23:14 zefreak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 23:09 SeeKeR wrote:
On May 02 2012 21:19 KalWarkov wrote:
Why doesnt SeeKeR get his own icon btw :/

Well. That would be awesome. But it is entirely up to TL staff and if they feel like I've contributed enough. And I myself would honestly say I haven't contributed enough to deserve special treatment


I think you have, and I support the Seeker Icon Initiative!

As do I!
Swampsteel
Profile Joined April 2011
United States94 Posts
May 02 2012 14:30 GMT
#3862
lol I was looking for the best game to watch and went to Game 5 of Oz vs. Parting on GomTV. you got me "real" spoilers!!
Oh my glob!
DamageControL
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States4222 Posts
May 02 2012 14:36 GMT
#3863
On May 02 2012 22:19 shadymmj wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 21:56 IMNasty wrote:
On May 02 2012 21:07 InoyouS2 wrote:
The difference between if NaNiwa won with cheese against Mvp is that Mvp is known and has proven he is the very best when it comes to macro mechanics and late-game pushes, his late-game stats echo that when they throw it up on the GOM cast.

Mvp cheesing just to me signifies that he is a completely well-rounded player, who is unpredictable, it also might indicate that he doesn't want to play long games because of his wrists, but the fact is Mvp is and always has been a better player than NaNiwa.


there is a reason Flash was called the cheddar terran and still revered, his cheeses were borderline abusive


i think that was also partly due to the fact that no player would ever want to get into a late game macro war with him without having a significant advantage.

He was also first known for cheesing bisu (much to my chagrin) and actually was sort of a bad cheesy player at one point.
Liquid | SKT
Big-t
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria1350 Posts
May 02 2012 14:36 GMT
#3864
Sad for nani, but he got TOP 8!!! That´s not bad.
monchi | IdrA | Flash
MayorITC
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Korea (South)798 Posts
May 02 2012 14:38 GMT
#3865
MVP has always been known for his VARIETY of builds. He cheeses more in TvP than the other two match-ups, but you're insane if you think MVP can't play late-game. I'm sure he would prefer avoiding it because of the current late-game TvP status and his wrist issues, but I wouldn't count him out on it.

If you really think MVP can only cheese then stop running your mouth on these forums, go back and watch some GSL videos from past seasons. He didn't get all his titles by cheesing his way to first place.
Eshra
Profile Joined April 2011
France1009 Posts
May 02 2012 14:38 GMT
#3866
On May 02 2012 23:23 Sroobz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 23:21 Eshra wrote:
On May 02 2012 21:16 Scarecrow wrote:
On May 02 2012 20:57 Eshra wrote:
On May 02 2012 20:51 KiNGxXx wrote:
On May 02 2012 20:44 GoSuChicken wrote:
Sad that Mvp wasnt able to beat nani in macro games... now all the naniwa fanboys will cry how Mvp sucks and hes not able to beat him in longer games

I don't care! Better player won, that's it!

Hope he will crush Parting, too.


Smarter, not better. I totally agree with what MVP did, he's there to win and thus, did exactly what he had to. But to me, it doesn't make him a better player.

You're delusional if you think naniwa is better than mvp. Smarter is better -.-


Ok dude, i never said that Naniwa is better than MVP. I said that the way MVP won doesn't make him a better player than his opponent. I'm not gonna enter a contest to find out who the best is between Naniwa and MVP. Pointless.


Winning a BO5 (regardless of how you win) makes you the better player.


Well I don't agree, but there again it's very relying on the way you define what " better " is. I don't think that debate would be relevant here.
ShakkaFL
Profile Joined March 2011
Norway647 Posts
May 02 2012 14:39 GMT
#3867
MVP such a boss, keeps proving he's a living legend
Terran 24/7
murtas
Profile Joined December 2010
Portugal249 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-02 14:52:20
May 02 2012 14:46 GMT
#3868
Todays results is just a foreshadow of Parting's Championship.
4-3 vs Squirtle Grand Finals. Calling it now.

Edit: Eich, read the interviews and Parting already predicted him winning the championship 4:3 agaisnt Squirtle. Smart guy.
Kergy
Profile Joined December 2010
Peru2011 Posts
May 02 2012 14:50 GMT
#3869
Hilarious series, Naniwa got metagamed HARD
Everyday Girl's Day~!
m3rciless
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1476 Posts
May 02 2012 14:51 GMT
#3870
Cheesy mvp. Play 0 standard games, only play 1/1/1 variants and 2/3 rax cheese.
White-Ra fighting!
DrPandaPhD
Profile Joined November 2011
5188 Posts
May 02 2012 14:51 GMT
#3871
On May 02 2012 23:30 Xarles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 23:14 zefreak wrote:
On May 02 2012 23:09 SeeKeR wrote:
On May 02 2012 21:19 KalWarkov wrote:
Why doesnt SeeKeR get his own icon btw :/

Well. That would be awesome. But it is entirely up to TL staff and if they feel like I've contributed enough. And I myself would honestly say I haven't contributed enough to deserve special treatment


I think you have, and I support the Seeker Icon Initiative!

As do I!


I think Seeker should have a "Feel free to send me a new banner. If i don't get one I will use this standard one" icon. And yeah, that would definitely not be too long, no, not at all.
리노크 👑
Choboo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden2088 Posts
May 02 2012 14:54 GMT
#3872
On May 02 2012 23:30 Xarles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 23:14 zefreak wrote:
On May 02 2012 23:09 SeeKeR wrote:
On May 02 2012 21:19 KalWarkov wrote:
Why doesnt SeeKeR get his own icon btw :/

Well. That would be awesome. But it is entirely up to TL staff and if they feel like I've contributed enough. And I myself would honestly say I haven't contributed enough to deserve special treatment


I think you have, and I support the Seeker Icon Initiative!

As do I!

Maybe he should just get an icon that says "Attention" next to his name? ^^.

too bad about Nani tho, he'll make it next season TT;; but go Parting!! Parting vs Squirtle finals plz
SaSe fan club manager
GodOfWar
Profile Joined December 2011
870 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-02 14:58:46
May 02 2012 14:55 GMT
#3873
On May 02 2012 23:38 MayorITC wrote:
MVP has always been known for his VARIETY of builds. He cheeses more in TvP than the other two match-ups, but you're insane if you think MVP can't play late-game. I'm sure he would prefer avoiding it because of the current late-game TvP status and his wrist issues, but I wouldn't count him out on it.

If you really think MVP can only cheese then stop running your mouth on these forums, go back and watch some GSL videos from past seasons. He didn't get all his titles by cheesing his way to first place.


dont take a bunch of frustrated and sad swedes too serious, lol

next round they gonna be like GOGO MVP again, supporting the player they know is a true champion.

bashing players like MVP and aLive for being incredible good at executing a bunker push, and timing push in general doesnt really make them look smart anyway, since everyone knows they are known as some of the best Macro players in the world.
Mvp Moon Squirtle
Sikly
Profile Joined June 2011
United States413 Posts
May 02 2012 14:59 GMT
#3874
On May 02 2012 23:38 Eshra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 23:23 Sroobz wrote:
On May 02 2012 23:21 Eshra wrote:
On May 02 2012 21:16 Scarecrow wrote:
On May 02 2012 20:57 Eshra wrote:
On May 02 2012 20:51 KiNGxXx wrote:
On May 02 2012 20:44 GoSuChicken wrote:
Sad that Mvp wasnt able to beat nani in macro games... now all the naniwa fanboys will cry how Mvp sucks and hes not able to beat him in longer games

I don't care! Better player won, that's it!

Hope he will crush Parting, too.


Smarter, not better. I totally agree with what MVP did, he's there to win and thus, did exactly what he had to. But to me, it doesn't make him a better player.

You're delusional if you think naniwa is better than mvp. Smarter is better -.-


Ok dude, i never said that Naniwa is better than MVP. I said that the way MVP won doesn't make him a better player than his opponent. I'm not gonna enter a contest to find out who the best is between Naniwa and MVP. Pointless.


Winning a BO5 (regardless of how you win) makes you the better player.


Well I don't agree, but there again it's very relying on the way you define what " better " is. I don't think that debate would be relevant here.


This is an easy argument to win. Their is no grey area. If you are better than your opponent, you will beat him. MVP is obviously better than Naniwa, as he beat him. Not taking anything away from Naniwa, losing to a 3 time GSL champion and the player with the most impressive resume in sc2 is nothing to be ashamed at. But he lost, he is not the better player. Especially when you consider the fact that MVP is injured.

Their is only winning and losing in this game. That was one of the reasons MKP's kong curse was so huge, he could never win when it mattered. That competitive part of the game is the life of the game. The better player wins. Whether that is through mind games, pure micro ability, pure macro ability, or being the better player in all aspects, the better player wins, as long as its more than a best of 1. It's irrelevant if Naniwa is a "better" player, MVP is the one moving on to the round of 4.

Honestly, Parting beating OZ really screwed up my predictions for how this season was going to play out. I was thinking Taeja was going to go up against OZ in the finals and win, but now hope Hero manages to make it through, because I highly doubt Taeja can beat Parting in TvP. Parting is just too damn good. Although Taeja winning against Parting would be amazingly epic. I just want a Liquid player to win! Well, I wouldn't be sad if MVP won, but I don't see him having the endurance to win the finals, if he can somehow take down Parting.
Gator
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States3432 Posts
May 02 2012 15:03 GMT
#3875
kind of interesting when people said Naniwa was practicing super hard for this. i know he said he was playing 60 games a day, but was he not getting cheesed at all? i feel like he should've been able to handle it better, or realized he can't play that greedy and be safe vs cheese. if he's gonna be greedy he needed to practice his opening vs all kinds of cheese
TSM
Yaki
Profile Joined April 2011
France4234 Posts
May 02 2012 15:03 GMT
#3876
On May 02 2012 23:38 MayorITC wrote:
MVP has always been known for his VARIETY of builds. He cheeses more in TvP than the other two match-ups, but you're insane if you think MVP can't play late-game. I'm sure he would prefer avoiding it because of the current late-game TvP status and his wrist issues, but I wouldn't count him out on it.

If you really think MVP can only cheese then stop running your mouth on these forums, go back and watch some GSL videos from past seasons. He didn't get all his titles by cheesing his way to first place.

don't even need to watch previous seasons vods, just watch his ro32 and ro16 games of this season
MC ■ MarineKing ■ LosirA ■ To someone who has lost after trying his best, no words from the winner can console him.
Ausfailia
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia123 Posts
May 02 2012 15:04 GMT
#3877
On May 02 2012 23:38 MayorITC wrote:
MVP has always been known for his VARIETY of builds. He cheeses more in TvP than the other two match-ups, but you're insane if you think MVP can't play late-game. I'm sure he would prefer avoiding it because of the current late-game TvP status and his wrist issues, but I wouldn't count him out on it.

If you really think MVP can only cheese then stop running your mouth on these forums, go back and watch some GSL videos from past seasons. He didn't get all his titles by cheesing his way to first place.



I think most of the people whining hard about mvp were super-casuals in European/U.S. timezones who probably tune into the GSL about once a year... Nobody who actually knows about the SC2 scene is actually doubting mvp's prowess.
MaNaVoId
Profile Joined February 2012
492 Posts
May 02 2012 15:06 GMT
#3878
On May 02 2012 23:59 draumr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 23:38 Eshra wrote:
On May 02 2012 23:23 Sroobz wrote:
On May 02 2012 23:21 Eshra wrote:
On May 02 2012 21:16 Scarecrow wrote:
On May 02 2012 20:57 Eshra wrote:
On May 02 2012 20:51 KiNGxXx wrote:
On May 02 2012 20:44 GoSuChicken wrote:
Sad that Mvp wasnt able to beat nani in macro games... now all the naniwa fanboys will cry how Mvp sucks and hes not able to beat him in longer games

I don't care! Better player won, that's it!

Hope he will crush Parting, too.


Smarter, not better. I totally agree with what MVP did, he's there to win and thus, did exactly what he had to. But to me, it doesn't make him a better player.

You're delusional if you think naniwa is better than mvp. Smarter is better -.-


Ok dude, i never said that Naniwa is better than MVP. I said that the way MVP won doesn't make him a better player than his opponent. I'm not gonna enter a contest to find out who the best is between Naniwa and MVP. Pointless.


Winning a BO5 (regardless of how you win) makes you the better player.


Well I don't agree, but there again it's very relying on the way you define what " better " is. I don't think that debate would be relevant here.


This is an easy argument to win. Their is no grey area. If you are better than your opponent, you will beat him. MVP is obviously better than Naniwa, as he beat him. Not taking anything away from Naniwa, losing to a 3 time GSL champion and the player with the most impressive resume in sc2 is nothing to be ashamed at. But he lost, he is not the better player. Especially when you consider the fact that MVP is injured.

Their is only winning and losing in this game. That was one of the reasons MKP's kong curse was so huge, he could never win when it mattered. That competitive part of the game is the life of the game. The better player wins. Whether that is through mind games, pure micro ability, pure macro ability, or being the better player in all aspects, the better player wins, as long as its more than a best of 1. It's irrelevant if Naniwa is a "better" player, MVP is the one moving on to the round of 4.

Honestly, Parting beating OZ really screwed up my predictions for how this season was going to play out. I was thinking Taeja was going to go up against OZ in the finals and win, but now hope Hero manages to make it through, because I highly doubt Taeja can beat Parting in TvP. Parting is just too damn good. Although Taeja winning against Parting would be amazingly epic. I just want a Liquid player to win! Well, I wouldn't be sad if MVP won, but I don't see him having the endurance to win the finals, if he can somehow take down Parting.


Lol u are talking like as if squirtle is already out of the tournament when he is the one that you should never underestimate.
rysecake
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2632 Posts
May 02 2012 15:06 GMT
#3879
The biggest problem with foreigners is the idea that cheese =/= a real game. Get over it.

Can't wait to see Flash bit by bit everyone.
The Notorious Winkles
zefreak
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States2731 Posts
May 02 2012 15:08 GMT
#3880
On May 02 2012 23:59 draumr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 23:38 Eshra wrote:
On May 02 2012 23:23 Sroobz wrote:
On May 02 2012 23:21 Eshra wrote:
On May 02 2012 21:16 Scarecrow wrote:
On May 02 2012 20:57 Eshra wrote:
On May 02 2012 20:51 KiNGxXx wrote:
On May 02 2012 20:44 GoSuChicken wrote:
Sad that Mvp wasnt able to beat nani in macro games... now all the naniwa fanboys will cry how Mvp sucks and hes not able to beat him in longer games

I don't care! Better player won, that's it!

Hope he will crush Parting, too.


Smarter, not better. I totally agree with what MVP did, he's there to win and thus, did exactly what he had to. But to me, it doesn't make him a better player.

You're delusional if you think naniwa is better than mvp. Smarter is better -.-


Ok dude, i never said that Naniwa is better than MVP. I said that the way MVP won doesn't make him a better player than his opponent. I'm not gonna enter a contest to find out who the best is between Naniwa and MVP. Pointless.


Winning a BO5 (regardless of how you win) makes you the better player.


Well I don't agree, but there again it's very relying on the way you define what " better " is. I don't think that debate would be relevant here.


This is an easy argument to win. Their is no grey area. If you are better than your opponent, you will beat him. MVP is obviously better than Naniwa, as he beat him. Not taking anything away from Naniwa, losing to a 3 time GSL champion and the player with the most impressive resume in sc2 is nothing to be ashamed at. But he lost, he is not the better player. Especially when you consider the fact that MVP is injured.

Their is only winning and losing in this game. That was one of the reasons MKP's kong curse was so huge, he could never win when it mattered. That competitive part of the game is the life of the game. The better player wins. Whether that is through mind games, pure micro ability, pure macro ability, or being the better player in all aspects, the better player wins, as long as its more than a best of 1. It's irrelevant if Naniwa is a "better" player, MVP is the one moving on to the round of 4.

Honestly, Parting beating OZ really screwed up my predictions for how this season was going to play out. I was thinking Taeja was going to go up against OZ in the finals and win, but now hope Hero manages to make it through, because I highly doubt Taeja can beat Parting in TvP. Parting is just too damn good. Although Taeja winning against Parting would be amazingly epic. I just want a Liquid player to win! Well, I wouldn't be sad if MVP won, but I don't see him having the endurance to win the finals, if he can somehow take down Parting.


I don't think I agree with you and it's certainly not as black and white as you make it seem.

I define 'better' as winning a best of N where N approaches infinity.

For example, if you were to ask who had better TvP, MKP or JJakji? The answer is who would have a higher winrate in a boN against a weighted average of protoss players and types.

Winning a bo5 against one player doesn't even show who is the better in a head to head, let alone 'better' in general (which would be an average of ones winrates in all matchups, I guess).

And I'm a huge Mvp fan, and do think he is better than Naniwa, so I'm not just arguing with you because we like different players
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