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Switzerland276 Posts
On May 03 2012 06:10 Phelski wrote: protoss late game is such a joke, unbeatable for a zerg Well, Hero had some incredible unit control and decision making during those fights. I don't really think you can make conclusions on this game. | ||
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Switzerland276 Posts
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Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
On May 03 2012 06:10 Phelski wrote: protoss late game is such a joke, unbeatable for a zerg It turns out if you engage the P army with 4 broods and all your infestors, lose them all, THEN bring the rest of your units that were scattered around, you lose. shocking | ||
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nath
United States1788 Posts
On May 03 2012 06:18 Dfgj wrote: It turns out if you engage the P army with 4 broods and all your infestors, lose them all, THEN bring the rest of your units that were scattered around, you lose. shocking if you dont split your army, 20 bls die instantly to a few archons + vortex if you split too much, not all your army engages a tightly packed deathball. splitting just right is very tedious and the P has chances to engage before you have time to set up your perfect engage as zerg. | ||
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Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
On May 03 2012 06:22 nath wrote: if you dont split your army, 20 bls die instantly to a few archons + vortex if you split too much, not all your army engages a tightly packed deathball. splitting just right is very tedious and the P has chances to engage before you have time to set up your perfect engage as zerg. There's a difference between splitting vs vortex and having all your shit too far spread apart to actually engage, and STILL keeping all your infestors together for wandering templar to telekenetically dick-punch. | ||
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Enchanted
United States1609 Posts
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drbrown
Sweden442 Posts
Used to be fond of this team, only find myself rooting for some of the players these days. | ||
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rasnj
United States1959 Posts
On May 03 2012 06:54 drbrown wrote: I feel Team Liquid has sold out, constantly playing their koreans in foreign leagues. Used to be fond of this team, only find myself rooting for some of the players these days. What is so special about Koreans in this context? Why are Hero, Zenio, and Taeja not real members of the team like Haypro, TLO, Jinro, Nony, Ret, etc.? What if they played their Swedes every time? Would you then complain? The only real difference is that their Korean trio is stronger than their Swedish duo at the moment, but if that is actually your point then you are simply complaining that they are playing their strong players (how unfair!). The only other reason I can see is plain racism. Gratz to TL for winning. | ||
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scsnow
Slovenia515 Posts
On May 03 2012 06:10 Phelski wrote: protoss late game is such a joke, unbeatable for a zerg Only Korean protoss can beat Stephano's PvZ... | ||
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drbrown
Sweden442 Posts
On May 03 2012 07:02 rasnj wrote: What is so special about Koreans in this context? Why are Hero, Zenio, and Taeja not real members of the team like Haypro, TLO, Jinro, Nony, Ret, etc.? What if they played their Swedes every time? Would you then complain? The only real difference is that their Korean trio is stronger than their Swedish duo at the moment, but if that is actually your point then you are simply complaining that they are playing their strong players (how unfair!). The only other reason I can see is plain racism. Gratz to TL for winning. Current definition of foreigner in the StarCraft community is a player who was born and raised outside korea. Team Liquid calls themselves a foreign team yet in a so-called foreign league three of their players are somewhat recently bought korean players. It's just plain boring to see, almost every individual tournament these days is filled to the brink with koreans. That i honestly dont care about, it's just good competition, but why the hell do we even have a foreign team league if every foreign team plays as many koreans as possible? Watching a team league doesn't feel the special anymore, it's not "who is the better team here? Let's see." It's "who has purchased the better koreans here? Let's see." Mouz and to an extent Empire are much more likable teams because i actually get to see foreign players that i "connect" to compete, rather than yet another korean stomp. Trying to explain my opinion with nationalism and racism though is just stupid by you, honestly. I dont see where the hell in my post there is any basis for any of that. | ||
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tuho12345
4482 Posts
On May 03 2012 15:27 drbrown wrote: Current definition of foreigner in the StarCraft community is a player who was born and raised outside korea. Team Liquid calls themselves a foreign team yet in a so-called foreign league three of their players are somewhat recently bought korean players. It's just plain boring to see, almost every individual tournament these days is filled to the brink with koreans. That i honestly dont care about, it's just good competition, but why the hell do we even have a foreign team league if every foreign team plays as many koreans as possible? Watching a team league doesn't feel the special anymore, it's not "who is the better team here? Let's see." It's "who has purchased the better koreans here? Let's see." Mouz and to an extent Empire are much more likable teams because i actually get to see foreign players that i "connect" to compete, rather than yet another korean stomp. Trying to explain my opinion with nationalism and racism though is just stupid by you, honestly. I dont see where the hell in my post there is any basis for any of that. If you don't like, go watch other teams. Problem? TL is a team, it doesn't have a so-called foreigners tag in front of TL. BTW if u wanna be the best, you gotta take out the best, so recruiting Koreans to be able to be the best isn't wrong. | ||
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HuKPOWA
United States1604 Posts
Well yeah...not much luck in foreign Protoss lately...in any tournament/matchup....everyone but naniwa | ||
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Aelfric
Turkey1496 Posts
On May 03 2012 15:27 drbrown wrote: It's just plain boring to see, almost every individual tournament these days is filled to the brink with koreans. That i honestly dont care about, it's just good competition, but why the hell do we even have a foreign team league if every foreign team plays as many koreans as possible? Watching a team league doesn't feel the special anymore, it's not "who is the better team here? Let's see." It's "who has purchased the better koreans here? Let's see." The definition of foreign team league doesn't mean no korean players to play. It means the teams which their source is outside of korea and most likely has more foreign players than koreans. Any team would consider koreans and if they can buy, they will. It's about competition. TL plays it's koreans because they are better overall, practicing more, analyzing more, consistent more, skilled more and we can say that they are focusing more to the game itself mentally compared to many foreigners. If the purpose is competition and to win, this is what you will get. You would do the same if you were the head of this team if your purpose is to win. In soccer there is a rule in most leagues that you can't bring more than 3 to 7 foreign players to the game including the substitutes. If there would be a federation or some kind in the future maybe they will consider that you can't include more than 2 or 3 koreans in that match's line up. But this time for an american team you wouldn't let europeans or for european team you wouldn't let americans too and ruling out only koreans would seem racist so these kind of rules are not practical in SC2 yet. | ||
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drbrown
Sweden442 Posts
On May 03 2012 15:31 tuho12345 wrote: If you don't like, go watch other teams. Problem? TL is a team, it doesn't have a so-called foreigners tag in front of TL. BTW if u wanna be the best, you gotta take out the best, so recruiting Koreans to be able to be the best isn't wrong. The problem is i've seen staff multiple times refer to Team Liquid as one of the strongest "foreign" teams and call for matches vs EG fights for title of "best foreign team" when in reality what both teams do is pitting their koreans against each other. | ||
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