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May 02 2012 05:07 GMT
#341
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pwnz0r
Profile Joined August 2010
United States123 Posts
May 02 2012 05:07 GMT
#342
On May 02 2012 14:05 Sroobz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 14:01 GodOfWar wrote:
On May 02 2012 13:55 Azarkon wrote:
On May 02 2012 13:49 nkr wrote:
Stephano is by far the best foreigner zerg, but he has never been close to beat a code S level protoss. In my opinion his ZvT is a lot more solid, as he can take on the best terrans out there.


Erm, 3-5 MC doesn't count? Given that MC is the best PvZ in Korea with his 2012 win record...

His best record vs. top Korean TvZers is 1-2 MKP - after MKP became top dog, that is. MKP being one of the top TvZs in Korea.

His ZvZ... 1-2 Nestea, the best ZvZ in Korea. It's all about the same. He's able to compete with the very best, but not win against them. People below that level, though, lose all the time to Stephano.


I think Curious beat Stephano recently. Leenock vs Stephano has yet to be seen too.


Thought Stephano beat Curious


Yep. Stephano beat Curious at IPL 4.
nakedsurfer
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada500 Posts
May 02 2012 05:30 GMT
#343
On May 02 2012 13:49 nkr wrote:
Stephano is by far the best foreigner zerg, but he has never been close to beat a code S level protoss. In my opinion his ZvT is a lot more solid, as he can take on the best terrans out there.


How are you so sure about that? He hasn't played any "Code S" level protoss really. The closest would be Hero It seems and he went 1-2 against him. Not to mention that Hero is a PvZ specialist too and has had his fair share of practice in this last month in that particular match-up.

I also don't understand how people can use the term "Code S" player so often. So many players fall in and out of Code S each season that it just feels like a bad measuring tool. Especially when using it for protosses since there wasn't many protoss in code S until recently.
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xrapture
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1644 Posts
May 02 2012 05:36 GMT
#344
On May 02 2012 14:30 nakedsurfer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 13:49 nkr wrote:
Stephano is by far the best foreigner zerg, but he has never been close to beat a code S level protoss. In my opinion his ZvT is a lot more solid, as he can take on the best terrans out there.


How are you so sure about that? He hasn't played any "Code S" level protoss really. The closest would be Hero It seems and he went 1-2 against him. Not to mention that Hero is a PvZ specialist too and has had his fair share of practice in this last month in that particular match-up.

I also don't understand how people can use the term "Code S" player so often. So many players fall in and out of Code S each season that it just feels like a bad measuring tool. Especially when using it for protosses since there wasn't many protoss in code S until recently.


he just lost to MC in the IPL fight club and lost to inori at MLG.
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GodOfWar
Profile Joined December 2011
870 Posts
May 02 2012 05:40 GMT
#345
On May 02 2012 14:30 nakedsurfer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 13:49 nkr wrote:
Stephano is by far the best foreigner zerg, but he has never been close to beat a code S level protoss. In my opinion his ZvT is a lot more solid, as he can take on the best terrans out there.


How are you so sure about that? He hasn't played any "Code S" level protoss really. The closest would be Hero It seems and he went 1-2 against him. Not to mention that Hero is a PvZ specialist too and has had his fair share of practice in this last month in that particular match-up.

I also don't understand how people can use the term "Code S" player so often. So many players fall in and out of Code S each season that it just feels like a bad measuring tool. Especially when using it for protosses since there wasn't many protoss in code S until recently.


yea cant wait to see Stephano in Code S.

Then we will see where he really stands.
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JohnMatrix
Profile Joined April 2011
France1358 Posts
May 02 2012 05:44 GMT
#346
His game vs HerO has been played before MC btw...
McFeser
Profile Joined July 2011
United States2458 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-02 05:45:39
May 02 2012 05:45 GMT
#347
On May 02 2012 14:30 nakedsurfer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 13:49 nkr wrote:
Stephano is by far the best foreigner zerg, but he has never been close to beat a code S level protoss. In my opinion his ZvT is a lot more solid, as he can take on the best terrans out there.


How are you so sure about that? He hasn't played any "Code S" level protoss really. The closest would be Hero It seems and he went 1-2 against him. Not to mention that Hero is a PvZ specialist too and has had his fair share of practice in this last month in that particular match-up.

I also don't understand how people can use the term "Code S" player so often. So many players fall in and out of Code S each season that it just feels like a bad measuring tool. Especially when using it for protosses since there wasn't many protoss in code S until recently.

I think him going 3-5 against MC is far more telling of Stephano PvZ skill level. There was server lag, and that does help the zerg, but the fact that he can take games off the best PvZers in the world is a good sign. And if anyone wants to argue that he needs to do better than just take some games off top PvZers to be considered a Code S zerg, I would like to remind you of exactly how many zergs there are in Code S right now.
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Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-02 05:55:52
May 02 2012 05:47 GMT
#348
On May 02 2012 14:01 chosenkerrigan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 13:55 Azarkon wrote:
On May 02 2012 13:49 nkr wrote:
Stephano is by far the best foreigner zerg, but he has never been close to beat a code S level protoss. In my opinion his ZvT is a lot more solid, as he can take on the best terrans out there.


Erm, 3-5 MC doesn't count? Given that MC is the best PvZ in Korea with his 2012 win record...

His best record vs. top Korean TvZers is 1-2 MKP - after MKP became top dog, that is. MKP being one of the top TvZs in Korea.

His ZvZ... 1-2 Nestea, the best ZvZ in Korea. It's all about the same. He's able to compete with the very best, but not win against them. People below that level, though, lose all the time to Stephano.


People below that level, lose all the time to Stephano?


In 2012, Curious, JYP, Bomber, Zenio, and Violet are all Korean players Stephano possess a winning record vs. None of these players are the best of the Korean scene in their vZ match-up, but they are all Code A / low Code S level. Foreigners-wise, Stephano has a winning record against every top foreigner in the scene minus Naniwa*.

* In 2012, besides Naniwa, the foreigners he has a losing record vs is BeastyQT at 1-2 and BabyKnight at 0-3, two players who are not that well known. Yeah, he's 0-3 vs. BabyKnight, an ex-Dota player who has PvZ as his worst match-up but manages to beat Stephano every time they meet.
K3Nyy
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1961 Posts
May 02 2012 05:49 GMT
#349
On May 02 2012 14:36 xrapture wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 14:30 nakedsurfer wrote:
On May 02 2012 13:49 nkr wrote:
Stephano is by far the best foreigner zerg, but he has never been close to beat a code S level protoss. In my opinion his ZvT is a lot more solid, as he can take on the best terrans out there.


How are you so sure about that? He hasn't played any "Code S" level protoss really. The closest would be Hero It seems and he went 1-2 against him. Not to mention that Hero is a PvZ specialist too and has had his fair share of practice in this last month in that particular match-up.

I also don't understand how people can use the term "Code S" player so often. So many players fall in and out of Code S each season that it just feels like a bad measuring tool. Especially when using it for protosses since there wasn't many protoss in code S until recently.


he just lost to MC in the IPL fight club and lost to inori at MLG.


He's played vs the best PvZ players in the world imo and the games vs Hero were ridiculously close, it could've went either way.

Saying his ZvP sucks because he lost to MC and Hero who are the best PvZ players at the time is like saying his ZvT sucks if he lost to MMA or his ZvZ sucks if he lost to DRG or Nestea. The only upset is Inori imo, but Koreans are Koreans so meh.
MGren
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Sweden148 Posts
May 02 2012 05:52 GMT
#350
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SolvusAnima
Profile Joined July 2010
United States138 Posts
May 02 2012 05:58 GMT
#351
On May 02 2012 14:30 nakedsurfer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 13:49 nkr wrote:
Stephano is by far the best foreigner zerg, but he has never been close to beat a code S level protoss. In my opinion his ZvT is a lot more solid, as he can take on the best terrans out there.


How are you so sure about that? He hasn't played any "Code S" level protoss really. The closest would be Hero It seems and he went 1-2 against him. Not to mention that Hero is a PvZ specialist too and has had his fair share of practice in this last month in that particular match-up.

I also don't understand how people can use the term "Code S" player so often. So many players fall in and out of Code S each season that it just feels like a bad measuring tool. Especially when using it for protosses since there wasn't many protoss in code S until recently.


"Code S " player is tossed around often because it's exactly what it is. A player from code S. It isn't like in brood war where "S" is a class. Once someone reaches Code S, it is generally accepted that that player be called a "Code S" player, since he's playing in code S, after all, it's an accurate description and title. I do agree it's a bad measuring tool but I can see why people toss around the term so often.
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Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
May 02 2012 06:09 GMT
#352
On May 02 2012 14:30 nakedsurfer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 13:49 nkr wrote:
Stephano is by far the best foreigner zerg, but he has never been close to beat a code S level protoss. In my opinion his ZvT is a lot more solid, as he can take on the best terrans out there.


How are you so sure about that? He hasn't played any "Code S" level protoss really. The closest would be Hero It seems and he went 1-2 against him. Not to mention that Hero is a PvZ specialist too and has had his fair share of practice in this last month in that particular match-up.

I also don't understand how people can use the term "Code S" player so often. So many players fall in and out of Code S each season that it just feels like a bad measuring tool. Especially when using it for protosses since there wasn't many protoss in code S until recently.


lmao I love how people just toss around the word "specialist" everywhere they go. xD
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tuho12345
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
4482 Posts
May 02 2012 07:02 GMT
#353
lmao Stephano played like shit especially in the last game. Wow he lost like most of his queens, 3 of them were walking around the map just for laying creep??? Damn he banked up like 5k at 1 point. Terrible macro, terrible micro and decision making with mass roaches and corruptors.
GodOfWar
Profile Joined December 2011
870 Posts
May 02 2012 07:56 GMT
#354
On May 02 2012 15:09 Hall0wed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 14:30 nakedsurfer wrote:
On May 02 2012 13:49 nkr wrote:
Stephano is by far the best foreigner zerg, but he has never been close to beat a code S level protoss. In my opinion his ZvT is a lot more solid, as he can take on the best terrans out there.


How are you so sure about that? He hasn't played any "Code S" level protoss really. The closest would be Hero It seems and he went 1-2 against him. Not to mention that Hero is a PvZ specialist too and has had his fair share of practice in this last month in that particular match-up.

I also don't understand how people can use the term "Code S" player so often. So many players fall in and out of Code S each season that it just feels like a bad measuring tool. Especially when using it for protosses since there wasn't many protoss in code S until recently.


lmao I love how people just toss around the word "specialist" everywhere they go. xD


lmao I love how people just toss around the word "lmao" and "xD" everywhere they go. xD
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Otolia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
France5805 Posts
May 02 2012 08:18 GMT
#355
HerO <GSL Entombed Valley> (Z)Stephano. Once again HerO uses this crappy map against zerg to finish Bo3. Curious, Leenock and Stephano all falled to him on this map.

Ret did really good, TaeJa won as expected but Zenio lost. He should be ashamed of being Code S and losing to someone who doesn't train in his worst match-up. "Koreans are better" they said ...

And the obvious conclusion of this Clan War is that Millenium is eliminated, even though they have a very good line-up.
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
May 02 2012 08:34 GMT
#356
On May 02 2012 17:18 Otolia wrote:
HerO <GSL Entombed Valley> (Z)Stephano. Once again HerO uses this crappy map against zerg to finish Bo3. Curious, Leenock and Stephano all falled to him on this map.


Players picking maps that favor the way they play, how dare they. Also Stephano picking Antiga because it works best for what he's doing, how evil of him.

Although in general, this is why having BO3 in team leagues is a horrible, horrible idea. It's sad to see organizers caving in to the preferences of the audience, even though most of the audience hasn't ever even watched a proper team league to understand the intricacies of the format and why BO1 sets are, in fact, a million times better for this format. -_-
InVerno
Profile Joined May 2011
258 Posts
May 02 2012 08:36 GMT
#357
No vods already avaible?
Nelz
Profile Joined December 2011
309 Posts
May 02 2012 08:40 GMT
#358
On May 01 2012 18:57 Nelz wrote:
Stephano played his match against Hero 2 days after came back from holiday, so it will be hard seeing the result against MC.


Just quoting myself.

Just wait the spring arena or GSL, even if i think he's not going to accept, at least for the next GSL, and please stop the discussion about Stephano being code S, code A or code Z, that's so painfull to read all the time, yes i'm a stephano fan, just enjoy his win or his loss, lover or hater.
Otolia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
France5805 Posts
May 02 2012 09:12 GMT
#359
On May 02 2012 17:34 Talin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 17:18 Otolia wrote:
HerO <GSL Entombed Valley> (Z)Stephano. Once again HerO uses this crappy map against zerg to finish Bo3. Curious, Leenock and Stephano all falled to him on this map.


Players picking maps that favor the way they play, how dare they. Also Stephano picking Antiga because it works best for what he's doing, how evil of him.

Although in general, this is why having BO3 in team leagues is a horrible, horrible idea. It's sad to see organizers caving in to the preferences of the audience, even though most of the audience hasn't ever even watched a proper team league to understand the intricacies of the format and why BO1 sets are, in fact, a million times better for this format. -_-

I'm not offended because he picked this map. So there is no reason for you to bold your mockery. :/

It's just that his latest success in PvZ are largely due to this map on which he has only lost one game (against aLive and that was PvT).
MrMercuG
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands2389 Posts
May 02 2012 09:41 GMT
#360
Damn you people who didn't have faith in Ret and HerO, shame on you!
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