[Code S] Group C Ro16 GSL 2012 Season 2

[Code S] Group C Ro16 GSL 2012 Season 2 - Page 119

vndods

United States3743 Posts

April 25 2012 12:32 GMT

#2361

MKP has a timing where he could overwhelm taeja with alot of marines, but I don't see it happening unless Taeja moves out preemptively.

ReadySetFire

Kuwait545 Posts

April 25 2012 12:32 GMT

#2362

On April 25 2012 21:26 Fragile51 wrote:

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Hey! Shush! Dongraegu will be back in the Code S finals next season! D:

SwampFox808

United States22 Posts

April 25 2012 12:33 GMT

#2363

On April 25 2012 21:07 architecture wrote:

How is it that you can understand the 7 gate is a coinflip, but not understand that essentially every build is a coinflip. It wins against some, and loses against others. You can play super safe, but that is also a loss against greedy builds! There is no such thing as truly "safe", there are only advantages or disadvantages.

My point is that the dis/advantages are too harsh in this matchup for both races. It's too fatal. Z used to complain about this in ZvT, but mostly it's been hammered out and no one really dies that much. Look at the way T are able to handle 2 base Z busts, barely. That's good design.

As for MKP it's not always possible to sneak out another SCV 6m+ when there are stalkers camping your towers. Moving out with your marines, especially when you are preparing a build designed to deal with is really risky.

The issue isn't scouting. The issue is that you are forced to make a bet (you've taken a ton of geysers) and are waiting for 3 tanks for 9m+ timing. The side effect is that you die to other stuff. Ideally, this would be a game where proper execution meant that builds could survive multiple opposing builds without taking significant disadvantage. Unfortunately this just isn't true right now in SC2, and especially in TvP.

Also: the extra gates in a 7 gate take 1m to go up, and probably around 1m30s-2m to the required number of units being warped in. There's essentially no room there to make any adjustments for the opposing player. What do you expect there to be different in a reaction. If you didn't get so much gas, and had more rax + marines, you could potentially do bunkers, like the 6+ bunkers we've seen. Otherwise all you can really do that in that time is continue your build.

I never said other builds arent a coin flip. In fact my last statement in my other post basically stated that any build can be a coinflip depending if your opponent is prepared for it or not...

When you have a good read on what your opponent is doing based on a myriad of different factors including scouting you can make the choices that give you the advantages or disadvantages. MKP didnt have any read at all on Parting and Parting expected him to be greedy because he tried to eng block his 3rd. If MKP had seen parting placing a proxy pylon, the army moving out of his base, or scanned the gates it is my firm belief he would have held with that medivac of marines and a properly placed sieged tank. If you don't agree with that statement than there is a fundamental disconnect in our arguement and we should agree to disagree.

Honestly I love how harsh PvT is, it makes for exciting games. People complain that the lategame is imbalanced but honestly i think its the most balanced lategame non-mirror matchup in the game. It comes down to HT vs Ghost micro, Obs vs Scan, and positioning(which are all related).