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vndods
Profile Joined October 2011
United States3743 Posts
April 25 2012 12:32 GMT
#2361
MKP has a timing where he could overwhelm taeja with alot of marines, but I don't see it happening unless Taeja moves out preemptively.
ReadySetFire
Profile Joined October 2011
Kuwait545 Posts
April 25 2012 12:32 GMT
#2362
On April 25 2012 21:26 Fragile51 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 21:25 Drazerk wrote:
On April 25 2012 21:24 Fragile51 wrote:
On April 25 2012 21:22 Megabuster123 wrote:
I wish Zergs were still in the GSL..

DongRaeGu how could you abandon me?!?!?!?


He'll be back to the Code S finals next season.


I doubt it with the way all zerg players are playing at the moment


Hey! Shush! Dongraegu will be back in the Code S finals next season! D:

SwampFox808
Profile Joined April 2012
United States22 Posts
April 25 2012 12:33 GMT
#2363
On April 25 2012 21:07 architecture wrote:

How is it that you can understand the 7 gate is a coinflip, but not understand that essentially every build is a coinflip. It wins against some, and loses against others. You can play super safe, but that is also a loss against greedy builds! There is no such thing as truly "safe", there are only advantages or disadvantages.

My point is that the dis/advantages are too harsh in this matchup for both races. It's too fatal. Z used to complain about this in ZvT, but mostly it's been hammered out and no one really dies that much. Look at the way T are able to handle 2 base Z busts, barely. That's good design.



As for MKP it's not always possible to sneak out another SCV 6m+ when there are stalkers camping your towers. Moving out with your marines, especially when you are preparing a build designed to deal with is really risky.

The issue isn't scouting. The issue is that you are forced to make a bet (you've taken a ton of geysers) and are waiting for 3 tanks for 9m+ timing. The side effect is that you die to other stuff. Ideally, this would be a game where proper execution meant that builds could survive multiple opposing builds without taking significant disadvantage. Unfortunately this just isn't true right now in SC2, and especially in TvP.

Also: the extra gates in a 7 gate take 1m to go up, and probably around 1m30s-2m to the required number of units being warped in. There's essentially no room there to make any adjustments for the opposing player. What do you expect there to be different in a reaction. If you didn't get so much gas, and had more rax + marines, you could potentially do bunkers, like the 6+ bunkers we've seen. Otherwise all you can really do that in that time is continue your build.


I never said other builds arent a coin flip. In fact my last statement in my other post basically stated that any build can be a coinflip depending if your opponent is prepared for it or not...

When you have a good read on what your opponent is doing based on a myriad of different factors including scouting you can make the choices that give you the advantages or disadvantages. MKP didnt have any read at all on Parting and Parting expected him to be greedy because he tried to eng block his 3rd. If MKP had seen parting placing a proxy pylon, the army moving out of his base, or scanned the gates it is my firm belief he would have held with that medivac of marines and a properly placed sieged tank. If you don't agree with that statement than there is a fundamental disconnect in our arguement and we should agree to disagree.

Honestly I love how harsh PvT is, it makes for exciting games. People complain that the lategame is imbalanced but honestly i think its the most balanced lategame non-mirror matchup in the game. It comes down to HT vs Ghost micro, Obs vs Scan, and positioning(which are all related).
SOOOO MANY BANELINGS!!!!!!!
vndods
Profile Joined October 2011
United States3743 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-25 12:33:45
April 25 2012 12:33 GMT
#2364
Comeon MKP, don't do this.

this is not the map for this.
Hassybaby
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom10823 Posts
April 25 2012 12:33 GMT
#2365
That attack did not go as expectation for MKP
"These guys are mindfucking me into a sex coma" | "Mayonnaise is a must-have lubricant when performing necrophilia"
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-25 12:33:49
April 25 2012 12:33 GMT
#2366
Marineking too aggressive again.

Should have taken an earlier third instead of this
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
April 25 2012 12:33 GMT
#2367
Both players making mistakes >.<
zerious
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3803 Posts
April 25 2012 12:33 GMT
#2368
MKP tilting in GSL?
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46551 Posts
April 25 2012 12:33 GMT
#2369
MKP should... not have tried charging up that hill.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Jono7272
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom6330 Posts
April 25 2012 12:34 GMT
#2370
Stop doing that mkp. Jeez, crumbling.
Innovation | Flash | Mvp | Byun | TY
fixed_point
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany4891 Posts
April 25 2012 12:34 GMT
#2371
MKP
vndods
Profile Joined October 2011
United States3743 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-25 12:34:21
April 25 2012 12:34 GMT
#2372
oh my god.....

that tilt.
0ne
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Spain2464 Posts
April 25 2012 12:34 GMT
#2373
Gooooo Taeja! MKP is going down
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17750 Posts
April 25 2012 12:34 GMT
#2374
T.T
"Expert" mods4ever.com
Chunhyang
Profile Joined December 2011
Bangladesh1389 Posts
April 25 2012 12:34 GMT
#2375
tsk tsk tsk
If you could reason with haters, there would be no haters. YGTMYFT
Marcus420
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada1923 Posts
April 25 2012 12:34 GMT
#2376
what the hell O.O
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
April 25 2012 12:34 GMT
#2377
MKP...
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
April 25 2012 12:34 GMT
#2378
tiltking in the house.
Hassybaby
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom10823 Posts
April 25 2012 12:34 GMT
#2379
MKP tilting so much now
"These guys are mindfucking me into a sex coma" | "Mayonnaise is a must-have lubricant when performing necrophilia"
HeroMystic
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1217 Posts
April 25 2012 12:34 GMT
#2380
lol that Hellion.

MKP is on Tilt.
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