EPTOn April 22 2012 21:55 gold_ wrote:
Where are the VODS for the 2v2 ?
Where are the VODS for the 2v2 ?
Echo'ing this. Went to sleep at a 'decent' time so I missed the last match and the 2v2, would be nice to be able to rewatch that before day 3.
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Serelitz
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Echo'ing this. Went to sleep at a 'decent' time so I missed the last match and the 2v2, would be nice to be able to rewatch that before day 3. | ||
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Hiea
Denmark1538 Posts
On April 22 2012 21:55 gold_ wrote: Where are the VODS for the 2v2 ? If they ain't uploaded yet on their website, find a match of the central stream, go there, and then look for the entire 2v2 (about 1h 40min overall) in the vod, its not marked as 2v2, but just a reminder.. do NOT look at the name once you open it, as it spoils it. | ||
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MonsterBeast
Canada193 Posts
Isn't updated as of yet but when it is. It will show up on that page, | ||
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Serelitz
Netherlands2895 Posts
http://www.twitch.tv/mlg_sca/b/315771526 Starts at ~11 mins. | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
On April 22 2012 21:55 gold_ wrote: violet/heart vs ganzi/partingWhere are the VODS for the 2v2 ? 0:36:50 http://www.twitch.tv/mlg_drpepper/b/315772681 the other match not sure if up; edit: ninja'd ^^ | ||
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MonsterBeast
Canada193 Posts
On April 22 2012 22:04 Serelitz wrote: Found it. http://www.twitch.tv/mlg_sca/b/315771526 Starts at ~11 mins. This is legit. Vouch | ||
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babysimba
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gold_
Canada312 Posts
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Aeceus
United Kingdom1278 Posts
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trinxified
Canada7774 Posts
Why is DRG taking the last 6th spot instead of Parting? Parting beat him with their matches | ||
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Hiea
Denmark1538 Posts
On April 22 2012 22:22 babysimba wrote: I think MLG did it the right way. I don't think it's fair to include the overall map score when matchups have different level of volatility. Let's say there's a group of 6Z,1P,1T and 1T,1P,1Z got into tiebreakers. Would it be fair to eliminate the zerg if he has a worse overall map score but better map score when we only consider the games between the 3 players. The factors that are first considered should always be the games played between the players in question, that's why head-to-head is always the first. If the races are symmetrical, there will be no problems taking the overall map score as first priority, even before considering head-to-head. Well, the problem with this is it kinda just ruins the whole idea of the massive 8player group play, and the point of Round Robin is to determine the best out of all. | ||
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Willzzz
United Kingdom774 Posts
On April 22 2012 22:48 trinxified wrote: This might've been asked already but can't seem to find the answer... Why is DRG taking the last 6th spot instead of Parting? Parting beat him with their matches Good question.. same match score, same map score, but Parting won the head to head.. hmm | ||
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
Series score > Map score > Head to head If the map score difference between Heart and DRG/Parting had already removed him from the equation, as he was already through, Parting would be through instead of DRG. | ||
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rasnj
United States1959 Posts
MKP + Huk (TP) vs DRG + MC (ZT): Game 1 Game 2 Game 3 (if needed) Violet + Heart (ZT) vs Parting + Ganzi (PT): Game 1 Game 2 Game 3 (if needed) Finals: Game 1 Game 2 Game 3 (if needed) | ||
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SeaSwift
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VenerableSpace
United States463 Posts
On April 22 2012 23:06 Willzzz wrote: Good question.. same match score, same map score, but Parting won the head to head.. hmm Can someone please clarify as to what happened here. | ||
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Zhyq
United Kingdom117 Posts
On April 22 2012 23:47 VenerableSpace wrote: Can someone please clarify as to what happened here. Tiebreaks decided by map scores. | ||
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Siphyo
Netherlands121 Posts
On April 22 2012 15:42 jmbthirteen wrote: map score isn't the first way of ranking the players. Its series records. Heart, DRG and Parting all went 3-4. Hence the 3 way tie. Then it goes h2h (MLG rules). DRG beat Heart, Parting beat DRG, Heart beat Parting. So h2h doesn't determine the tie break. Per MLG rules, the next tie breaker is the map score of each player among games vs each other. Heart went 4-2 against DRG and Parting. DRG went 3-3 against Heart and Parting. Parting went 2-4 against Heart and DRG. Therefore, Heart and DRG finish 5th and 6th respectively. And you don't go map score first because a player can go 14-7 and win every series (7-0) while another guy can go 10-4 and and lose 2 series (5-2). Technically the 10-4 record is better going just off map score. But that guy never should be first in the group over the guy who went 7-0 I don't really get how you go on to defend a weird decision to decide ranking made by MLG by explaining how an even stranger way to decide on it (map score over series score, wtf?) makes no sense. Besides, your example does not even fit the tournament at hand, because the possible scores for a series are 2-1 or 3-0 rather than 2-1 or 2-0. So when we adjust this in your example, it becomes 14-7 (worst possible 7-0 score) against 17-4 (best possible 5-2 score), making the second obviously better when looking at map scores. I don't see how 10-4 (+6) would be better than 14-7 (+7) either by the way. When looking at series score > map score between (3) tied players you get weird results like this, where you would expect series score > map score > map score between (2) tied players. Did DRG really deserve to go through over Parting because his 3-0 loss was against MC (rank 4) instead of against Heart (rank 5)? Apparently MLG believes so. MLG also believes people like watching a tournament with HuK and 7 random koreans over the old MLG setup. | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
On April 22 2012 22:22 babysimba wrote: That's a flawed argument. Races aside - the tournament is for determining who are the better players. If your zerg has worse map score vs all the terrans, well, tough luck, he's the worse player - it could be because of maps or balance - that's not relevant; the point is he was worse in this set of players, so he shouldn't have advanced.I think MLG did it the right way. I don't think it's fair to include the overall map score when matchups have different level of volatility. Let's say there's a group of 6Z,1P,1T and 1T,1P,1Z got into tiebreakers. Would it be fair to eliminate the zerg if he has a worse overall map score but better map score when we only consider the games between the 3 players. The factors that are first considered should always be the games played between the players in question, that's why head-to-head is always the first. If the races are symmetrical, there will be no problems taking the overall map score as first priority, even before considering head-to-head. And if there is such imbalance it better be shown by the real results, we only benefit from seeing who is really better (as in - last time I checked - the one who wins more). P.S. Assuming that the current balance could be, theoretically speaking, something like Z < T < P < Z - which would put your zerg at general disadvantage - if it's invitational, then the tournament is to blame for not inviting balanced amounts of players from each race; if not invitational, they should naturally qualify in balanced quotas, if the game is balanced, and if the game itself would not be balanced, that better be shown by the real results, instead of being obscured in any way. | ||
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ThomasR
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