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On April 22 2012 16:01 havox_ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 15:42 jmbthirteen wrote:On April 22 2012 15:33 Bullet wrote:On April 22 2012 14:17 Kralic wrote:On April 22 2012 14:13 Corsica wrote:
so why is it DRG playing instead of Parting? they have same games and Parting>DRG? On April 22 2012 12:42 canikizu wrote:On April 22 2012 12:39 SilentSC2 wrote:
Can someone tell me how DRG got out of the group and PartinG didn't? Because they both went the exact same(3-4 and 9-12) but PartinG beat DRG before right?
Heart, DRG, Parting are tied. So they became the mini pool and are decided by map scores between the 3. Heart: 4-2 (3-0 Parting, 1-2 DRG) DRG: 3-3 (1-2 Parting, 2-1 Heart) Parting: 2-4 (2-1 DRG, 0-3 Heart) So Heart and DRG went through. Should be the proper explanation. Still doesn't make sense. Heart has 10 wins while parting and DRG both have 9. Also why do they have a 4-6 and 3-5 seed matchup? o_O map score isn't the first way of ranking the players. Its series records. Heart, DRG and Parting all went 3-4. Hence the 3 way tie. Then it goes h2h (MLG rules). DRG beat Heart, Parting beat DRG, Heart beat Parting. So h2h doesn't determine the tie break. Per MLG rules, the next tie breaker is the map score of each player among games vs each other. Heart went 4-2 against DRG and Parting. DRG went 3-3 against Heart and Parting. Parting went 2-4 against Heart and DRG. Therefore, Heart and DRG finish 5th and 6th respectively. And you don't go map score first because a player can go 14-7 and win every series (7-0) while another guy can go 10-4 and and lose 2 series (5-2). Technically the 10-4 record is better going just off map score. But that guy never should be first in the group over the guy who went 7-0 everybody understands how they handled it... and dude, nobody said that they should just take the map score for the ranking. But it should be... 1. series score 2. map score 3. h2h series (4. tie group map score) (yep, doesnt help to complain now - the rules still dont make sense, sorry^^)
I actually quoted the wrong post, I meant to quote the one below the one i quoted. I wouldn't say everyone understands it when the post i meant to quote says "tbh: i dont understand at all, why these 3 players are tied..." And the rest of his post implies that they should use map score for the ranking. So yeah...
And I agree, I think MLG screwed up on this rule. The way they did it was the only way DRG would advance while there are multiple ways that Parting would have advanced. I don't like using map score just among the three tied players, I think it should be from overall and then come down to h2h if their is a tie.
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MLG do it the best way, map score avoids a lot of mess if you off who beat who, as you could go around in circles with that
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On April 22 2012 16:32 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 16:01 havox_ wrote:On April 22 2012 15:42 jmbthirteen wrote:On April 22 2012 15:33 Bullet wrote:On April 22 2012 14:17 Kralic wrote:On April 22 2012 14:13 Corsica wrote:
so why is it DRG playing instead of Parting? they have same games and Parting>DRG? On April 22 2012 12:42 canikizu wrote:On April 22 2012 12:39 SilentSC2 wrote:
Can someone tell me how DRG got out of the group and PartinG didn't? Because they both went the exact same(3-4 and 9-12) but PartinG beat DRG before right?
Heart, DRG, Parting are tied. So they became the mini pool and are decided by map scores between the 3. Heart: 4-2 (3-0 Parting, 1-2 DRG) DRG: 3-3 (1-2 Parting, 2-1 Heart) Parting: 2-4 (2-1 DRG, 0-3 Heart) So Heart and DRG went through. Should be the proper explanation. Still doesn't make sense. Heart has 10 wins while parting and DRG both have 9. Also why do they have a 4-6 and 3-5 seed matchup? o_O map score isn't the first way of ranking the players. Its series records. Heart, DRG and Parting all went 3-4. Hence the 3 way tie. Then it goes h2h (MLG rules). DRG beat Heart, Parting beat DRG, Heart beat Parting. So h2h doesn't determine the tie break. Per MLG rules, the next tie breaker is the map score of each player among games vs each other. Heart went 4-2 against DRG and Parting. DRG went 3-3 against Heart and Parting. Parting went 2-4 against Heart and DRG. Therefore, Heart and DRG finish 5th and 6th respectively. And you don't go map score first because a player can go 14-7 and win every series (7-0) while another guy can go 10-4 and and lose 2 series (5-2). Technically the 10-4 record is better going just off map score. But that guy never should be first in the group over the guy who went 7-0 everybody understands how they handled it... and dude, nobody said that they should just take the map score for the ranking. But it should be... 1. series score 2. map score 3. h2h series (4. tie group map score) (yep, doesnt help to complain now - the rules still dont make sense, sorry^^) I actually quoted the wrong post, I meant to quote the one below the one i quoted. I wouldn't say everyone understands it when the post i meant to quote says "tbh: i dont understand at all, why these 3 players are tied..." And the rest of his post implies that they should use map score for the ranking. So yeah... And I agree, I think MLG screwed up on this rule. The way they did it was the only way DRG would advance while there are multiple ways that Parting would have advanced. I don't like using map score just among the three tied players, I think it should be from overall and then come down to h2h if their is a tie.
Agreed as well. Never taking overall map score into account in the tie-breaker almost entirely ruins the point of playing all three games in a series. And the end result just doesn't look very sensible in that instance.
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The best part about this
Huk is out.
I just hate I wasn't around to stay up to date for the LR comments about him falling flat.
Would be so sick to have MKP make it 3 consecutive first place finishes. Marineking Fighting!
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If Huk gets a really tough bracket (like this one) and actually manages to kick some ass, he's got all my respect, but as it currently stands he's way to cocky. If you can't walk the walk, don't talk the talk.
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MKP so dominant in the group stages o_o It's going to suck if he doesn't win the whole thing.
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France12935 Posts
Wow MKPwith a dominating performance once again :D.
Did he play good against DRG?
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On April 22 2012 19:25 Poopi wrote:
Wow MKPwith a dominating performance once again :D.
Did he play good against DRG?
pretty good games :D vod them!
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So, I just woke up and I'm probably I bit stupid right now but can anyone explain why DRG advanced above PartinG?
They have the same map-score but PartinG won their individual meeting. I'm sure I'm missing something here.
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France12935 Posts
Because PartinG lost 0-3 against Heart whereas DRG only 2-1, afaik.
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Couldn't watch so.....YEAH MKP!
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On April 22 2012 15:33 Bullet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 14:17 Kralic wrote:On April 22 2012 14:13 Corsica wrote:
so why is it DRG playing instead of Parting? they have same games and Parting>DRG? On April 22 2012 12:42 canikizu wrote:On April 22 2012 12:39 SilentSC2 wrote:
Can someone tell me how DRG got out of the group and PartinG didn't? Because they both went the exact same(3-4 and 9-12) but PartinG beat DRG before right?
Heart, DRG, Parting are tied. So they became the mini pool and are decided by map scores between the 3. Heart: 4-2 (3-0 Parting, 1-2 DRG) DRG: 3-3 (1-2 Parting, 2-1 Heart) Parting: 2-4 (2-1 DRG, 0-3 Heart) So Heart and DRG went through. Should be the proper explanation. Still doesn't make sense. Heart has 10 wins while parting and DRG both have 9. Also why do they have a 4-6 and 3-5 seed matchup? o_O
Violet plays against Heart because he chose to play against Heart
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Once again MKP prove he is the best player in the world and once again Violet do very well.
Not much to say about Huk was abit expected
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On April 22 2012 20:05 Poopi wrote:
Because PartinG lost 0-3 against Heart whereas DRG only 2-1, afaik.
I understand that but heart is 10-11 in maps, where as parting and drg are both 9-12, so imo it should just be a tie breaker between parting and drg, and since parting beat drg I don't really get it, it's so retarded to go h2h over map score, I figured the hole concept of playing all 3 games was so in a tie, map scores would solve it easier.
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The system's not perfect, but it's a damn sight better than Extended Series.
[Parting should have gone through IMO]
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On April 22 2012 20:32 SeaSwift wrote:
The system's not perfect, but it's a damn sight better than Extended Series.
[Parting should have gone through IMO]
But it was impossible for extended series to happen in a round robin group? XD
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On April 22 2012 21:11 NexUmbra wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 20:32 SeaSwift wrote:
The system's not perfect, but it's a damn sight better than Extended Series.
[Parting should have gone through IMO] But it was impossible for extended series to happen in a round robin group? XD
I trust MLG to make it happen.
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Would be amazing if the finals was MKP vs DRG with MKP mutilating him again.
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The format for the tiebreaker gives me mixed feelings, it can feel like out of those 3, then the 2 who did best there advances, but that kinda ruins the whole "8 pool" format.
I don't know what to think of this, I would say PartinG should go through and DRG out because that just seems right to me.
However i'm also happy that DRG is through.. the more zergs, the better, lets not have more of GSL Ro8....
Also I think HuK not making it out is abit of an upset, considering how well he always does at MLG, and he beat PartinG, he useally beats MC, hes also got a good record versus viOLet. I didn't expect him to beat any of the terrans but he beat GanZi somehow, I thought he would go 3-4.
viOLet just... he somehow manages to place highly all the time.
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Where are the VODS for the 2v2 ? 
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