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On April 18 2012 21:29 rothsbury wrote:
It'd be interesting to see a battlecruiser switch in that situation (maxed terran with heaps of resources). Supernova did really well but his army always seemed much weaker than it should be given his huge advantage... in the TvP matchup you just max on bio, there's no real high tech units (besides a few ghosts) that you mix in to make it really dangerous. It was always a danger that genius would kill supernova's relatively weak army at some point and roll him before he could reinforce.
Terrible idea, by the time you max with BCs the Toss would have had ample time to scout the switch and prepare an ample defense, + all the extra burst and firepower of BCs is negated by feedback, which also rapes a big chunk of a BCs HP, you'd have to EMP your own BCs, in which case again you can't benefit from having Yamato.
Anyway, if someone would have told me last season, that Genius would lose a long macro game to a Terran, on Daybreak, and more specifically to Supernova, I'd have laughed in the guys face.
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On April 18 2012 21:29 -y0shi- wrote:
Not even whining, great play by supernova, but seriously, how the hell is toss supposed to beat this army and why are people complaining terran lategame is to week?! With ghost/cloak/drop you can do soo much and toss can just run around like an idiot until he misses a nuke
Cannons and a HT on expos-> Attack terran. When the terran sends out dropships he further lowers the size of his army, an army that already is weaker than the protoss one. Spread out so EMP is less effective.
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On April 18 2012 21:32 Azzur wrote:
Hmmm... before the Supernova vs Genius match, I wanted Virus to advance to the ro8, but after Supernova's sterling display, I think I want him to advance to help combat the Protoss wave!
I want Virus to win for the complete opposite reason. 
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Sick song! GSL steppin' it up!
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On April 18 2012 21:32 babybell wrote:
Who is B.K? It says B.K's commentary on the music playing in breaks.
Music Director for the broadcast.
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On April 18 2012 21:25 Tyrant0 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2012 21:23 zefreak wrote:
Tasteless is going to say OUTCLASSED!
You heard it here first.
Probably say supernova has the best tvp in the world.
This is the definition of outclassed, lol. And if supernova's TvP went like this every game, he'd easily be top 3 TvP. He used to be the definition of solid TvP before he fell off.
I do not agree. Supernova just did what a lot of T's are not doing, but the tools are there. Genius as a P defended very well aganist such amazing multi task, but always the initiative was from Supernova (the harasser always knows where he is going, the defender cannot predict where exactly the harass will land), so Genius did a less visible, less fancy, but still a spectacular job at defending such multi pronged attacks when P is not efficient to defend at multiple locations.
Supernova win it in amazing fashion, showing tools that many top T's are not even considering for lategame TvP, but Genius put up a great fight, it was not a rape as some fanboys/noobs are saying.
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NANIWA! so excited, wp : D
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Going to tune out since I don't really mind which terran advances!
GL to Virus/Supernova in the ro8! 
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On April 18 2012 21:29 rebdomine wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2012 21:28 Porcelina wrote:On April 18 2012 21:27 Noocta wrote:
This game break Genius record of " I never lose a PvT if I max", right ? Oh that is actually true. Unless he maxed in any of the games vs DRG in last season's finals? Cannot remember. DRG doesn't play T
Oh, misread that. However, at some point during the last season the graphic showed that Genius had a 100% win record when maxing out against any race, which is why I made the connection.
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Dear Teamliquid,
Thank you for giving me the power to evolve and mutate furiously beyond my means through your tirades and mocking of me.
Love,
Virus
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On April 18 2012 21:32 -TesteR- wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2012 21:30 Olinim wrote:
lol Genius quickly irrelevant again after 1 season... ro16 is not irrelevant t.t
Yeah, infact he did much better than the champion 
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SuperNova showing that stacking in a ball and fighting late game protoss in one massive battle is pretty stupid and goes against everything Bio has going for it.
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On April 18 2012 21:29 -y0shi- wrote:
Not even whining, great play by supernova, but seriously, how the hell is toss supposed to beat this army and why are people complaining terran lategame is to week?! With ghost/cloak/drop you can do soo much and toss can just run around like an idiot until he misses a nuke
More obs, better HT control, DT's, better drop defense, better enemy base management. Supernova had a way better eco in the end. Genius chose not to force the engagement, so he's left in a precarious situation where he can't trade efficiently anymore through pf's without supernova remaxing and genius going broke. He didn't pressure any of the expansions, he just turtled up with each drop.
On April 18 2012 21:34 Belha wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2012 21:25 Tyrant0 wrote:On April 18 2012 21:23 zefreak wrote:
Tasteless is going to say OUTCLASSED!
You heard it here first.
Probably say supernova has the best tvp in the world.
This is the definition of outclassed, lol. And if supernova's TvP went like this every game, he'd easily be top 3 TvP. He used to be the definition of solid TvP before he fell off. I do not agree. Supernova just did what a lot of T's are not doing, but the tools are there. Genius as a P defended very well aganist such amazing multi task, but always the initiative was from Supernova (the harasser always knows where he is going, the defender cannot predict where exactly the harass will land), so Genius did a less visible, less fancy, but still a spectacular job at defending such multi pronged attacks when P is not efficient to defend at multiple locations. Supernova win it in amazing fashion, showing tools that many top T's are not even considering for lategame TvP, but Genius put up a great fight, it was not a rape as some fanboys/noobs are saying.
Not really, he was way out of position for most of the drops, had no obs at the edge of his main/third, and pretty much left supernova to grow a monumental economy lead. I don't know why you can't be both critical and not a fanboy/noob. I don't even think Genius fought a terran recently who played like the monster supernova is playing as. They just rolled over and died at 16:00-18:00 when genius maxed.
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On April 18 2012 21:31 Alejandrisha wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2012 21:29 -y0shi- wrote:
Not even whining, great play by supernova, but seriously, how the hell is toss supposed to beat this army and why are people complaining terran lategame is to week?! With ghost/cloak/drop you can do soo much and toss can just run around like an idiot until he misses a nuke it's actually not that hard when you make more than 1 speed obs
Zerg faces the same problem against terran late game if you have a slow moving brood lord army. When you are on 5 bases with a big bank there is no excuse for not having proper static defense. You can force medivacs to land on spots you want them to land with good cannon placements (or in the case with zerg, good spinecrawler and spore crawler placement). Giving the illusion of a safe spot. A few units 2-3 zealots and a high templar at each expo will do wonders against this drop/cloak strat.
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On April 18 2012 21:34 zEnVy wrote:
SuperNova showing that stacking in a ball and fighting late game protoss in one massive battle is pretty stupid and goes against everything Bio has going for it.
Amen bro, amen.
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On April 18 2012 21:34 Belha wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2012 21:25 Tyrant0 wrote:On April 18 2012 21:23 zefreak wrote:
Tasteless is going to say OUTCLASSED!
You heard it here first.
Probably say supernova has the best tvp in the world.
This is the definition of outclassed, lol. And if supernova's TvP went like this every game, he'd easily be top 3 TvP. He used to be the definition of solid TvP before he fell off. I do not agree. Supernova just did what a lot of T's are not doing, but the tools are there. Genius as a P defended as he could aganist such amazing multi task, but always the initiative was from Supernova (the harasser always knows where he is going, the defender cannot predict where exactly the harass will land), so Genius did a less visible, less fancy, but still a spectacular job at defending such multi pronged attacks when P is not efficient to defend at multiple locations. Supernova win it in amazing fashion, showing tools that many top T's are not even considering for lategame TvP, but Genius put up a great fight, it was not a rape as some fanboys/noobs want it to look like.
People are complaining about TvP lategame because it's hard to win battles, and hard to fight zealots reinforcement.
Not because they can't harass.
Nuke harass is good but it doesn't help a player win a battle versus chargelots archons colossus storm
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On April 18 2012 21:30 zefreak wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2012 21:29 -y0shi- wrote:
Not even whining, great play by supernova, but seriously, how the hell is toss supposed to beat this army and why are people complaining terran lategame is to week?! With ghost/cloak/drop you can do soo much and toss can just run around like an idiot until he misses a nuke Are you kidding me?
No observers, losing templars with full energy left and right(literally everywhere, all the time) because he couldn't keep up, clumping units and losing them due to move commands, and yet you can find people thinking that this game means that everything is going smoothly in TvP.
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On April 18 2012 21:33 Destructicon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2012 21:29 rothsbury wrote:
It'd be interesting to see a battlecruiser switch in that situation (maxed terran with heaps of resources). Supernova did really well but his army always seemed much weaker than it should be given his huge advantage... in the TvP matchup you just max on bio, there's no real high tech units (besides a few ghosts) that you mix in to make it really dangerous. It was always a danger that genius would kill supernova's relatively weak army at some point and roll him before he could reinforce. Terrible idea, by the time you max with BCs the Toss would have had ample time to scout the switch and prepare an ample defense, + all the extra burst and firepower of BCs is negated by feedback, which also rapes a big chunk of a BCs HP, you'd have to EMP your own BCs, in which case again you can't benefit from having Yamato. Anyway, if someone would have told me last season, that Genius would lose a long macro game to a Terran, on Daybreak, and more specifically to Supernova, I'd have laughed in the guys face.
In TvT there have been late game BC switches which have gone completely unscouted (cf virus vs supernova today), no reason why you couldn't also catch a P off guard. Especially since the standard game is to just make bio all game, there would ordinarily be no reason to scout the terran's base. Also re: high templar, that turns into a micro battle where the terran wants to get yamatos off before he gets fedback.
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On April 18 2012 21:36 rothsbury wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2012 21:33 Destructicon wrote:On April 18 2012 21:29 rothsbury wrote:
It'd be interesting to see a battlecruiser switch in that situation (maxed terran with heaps of resources). Supernova did really well but his army always seemed much weaker than it should be given his huge advantage... in the TvP matchup you just max on bio, there's no real high tech units (besides a few ghosts) that you mix in to make it really dangerous. It was always a danger that genius would kill supernova's relatively weak army at some point and roll him before he could reinforce. Terrible idea, by the time you max with BCs the Toss would have had ample time to scout the switch and prepare an ample defense, + all the extra burst and firepower of BCs is negated by feedback, which also rapes a big chunk of a BCs HP, you'd have to EMP your own BCs, in which case again you can't benefit from having Yamato. Anyway, if someone would have told me last season, that Genius would lose a long macro game to a Terran, on Daybreak, and more specifically to Supernova, I'd have laughed in the guys face. In TvT there have been late game BC switches which have gone completely unscouted (cf virus vs supernova today), no reason why you couldn't also catch a P off guard. Especially since the standard game is to just make bio all game, there would ordinarily be no reason to scout the terran's base. Also re: high templar, that turns into a micro battle where the terran wants to get yamatos off before he gets fedback.
It'll work like once or twice but then protoss will just use their observers more.
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